Green Independent and Libertarian parties release joint statement

AUGUSTA, ME — The Green Independent and Libertarian parties of Maine have agreed to work together to promote pro-democratic policies and protect individual liberties. Officers of each party held a joint press conference, at the Samantha Smith statue near the capitol building in Augusta, in front of the Maine State Museum, on Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 3 p.m.

The officers discussed 10 areas of cooperation between the two largest non-major political parties:

Preamble

Despite having diverse fundamental ideological perspectives with regard to an economic foundation for our society, the Maine Green Independent Party (MGIP) and the Libertarian Party of Maine (LPME) are united in our desire for honesty and integrity in our political system. We find these qualities frequently lacking within the two major political parties, especially at the national level. Examples abound.

Maine has a good track record of allowing all qualified candidates into debates, but many other states have not. At the presidential level, such compliance has been non-existent, despite being qualified on the ballot of enough states with sufficient electoral votes potentially to win. We seek an even playing field in the contest for political support.

The ten points of agreement herein were arrived at through the respective executive committees of MGIP and LPME and a 2 1/2 hour in-person discussion among some of these members. It is important to understand that these points of agreement in no way bind our respective national parties nor our parties in other states. Further, this agreement should not be interpreted as any kind of merger. We agree on some issues, but in others agree to disagree, but in a cordial manner have agreed to unite on these issues in order to strengthen our advocacy for or against these important matters.

In putting this initiative forward, we implicitly encourage other state parties, and our national parties to follow suit by engaging in mutually respectful dialogue.

Areas of Agreement

  1. End regime change wars.
  2. Close down most U.S. bases in foreign countries
  3. Terminate corporate welfare
  4. Void, via repeal, the PATRIOT Act and the 2012 NDAA provision allowing “indefinite detention” without jury trial, judge, or witnesses for the defense as flagrant violations of the U.S. Constitution
  5. Teach and enforce our Bill of Rights and give extensive training in such to law enforcement personnel.
  6. Support municipal food sovereignty ordinances for farmer to consumer transactions
  7. Expand time to gather petitions for office to April 30, to minimize difficulty during the most difficult weather of the year and to allow more time.
  8. Do not require caucuses to maintain ballot access in Maine
  9. Allow nomination of candidates by convention as an option
  10. In some cases vaccines have prevented deaths or serious diseases. In other cases documentation exists of fatal or lifetime debilitating injuries to people, especially infants. Accordingly, we oppose any law mandating vaccines, which fail to take into account either sovereignty over our own bodies or important medical variations including allergic reactions.

26 thoughts on “Green Independent and Libertarian parties release joint statement

  1. Seebeck

    #10 is not lunacy, Dlugos. It recognizes both self-ownership and that the toxic poison shots are not a good idea, especially for those with immune system imbalances (which is a large majority of the population) and those genetically inclined to have adverse reactions, which are primarily severe encephalitic inflammation leading to neural damage and up to death, including ASDs.

    Most people know zero about the immune system, what it entails, how it operates, and how immune responses happen and work, (and you apparently don’t, either) you would be far more educated than 98% of the public who rely on allopathic hearsay instead of learning for themselves.

    Of course, learning what interleukins are an their interactions with each other in the immune responses, not to mention the dynamic activity of the system and how cellular and humoral immunity differ and why, is not something easily learned, especially by the time-constrained masses and mental midgets that make up most of the human race.

    You’re reading in things that aren’t there.

  2. Anthony Dlugos

    “In other cases documentation exists of fatal or lifetime debilitating injuries to people, especially infants.”

    This is worse the 9/11 trooferism.

  3. Thomas Knapp

    “This is worse the 9/11 trooferism.”

    Assuming you’re referring to your own guff, we agree.

    In the US over the last 15 years, the measles vaccine has killed more people than measles has killed.

    That’s just a fact.

    WHY isn’t measles a killer in the US? Because of vaccination.

    That’s just a fact too.

    People who don’t get vaccinated are, in effect, free riders on those who do. They avoid the risks associated with vaccination (which are tiny) by letting the “herd immunity” of high vaccination rates keep the risk of measles itself tiny, too.

    Why they should be allowed to free ride on everyone else’s tiny risk (and thereby increase the other tiny risk to those for whom the vaccine is administered but ineffective, etc.) is a valid question.

    Who should get to decide whether or not you have to take one tiny risk in order to relieve others of another tiny risk is a valid question too.

    My own answer to that question is that rule by experts is more dangerous than measles.

  4. SocraticGadfly

    Agreed with Anthony. They lost me there.

    Maybe we can add No. 11: Unvaccinated children have no right to attend public schools.

  5. dL

    Maybe we can add No. 11: Unvaccinated children have no right to attend public schools.

    They haven’t had that “right.” Childhood Immunization against things like polio, chickenpox, smallpox, measles et al have been a requirement pretty much everywhere for decades.

  6. Seebeck

    Tom, herd immunity (now 95% for measles, 75-93% for other diseases) is impossible by vaccines (humoral immunity), because they wear off. Even with boosters, it is impossible, because it wears off at different times for different people, and humoral immunity is simply incapable of adjusting to mutations and evolutions of the disease. Only cellular immunity can do that.

    The closest thing to herd immunity that has ever happened was by natural causes, when the Baby Boomers numbered 73% who had measles naturally and therefore permanent (cellular) immunity, no shots required. But even that didn’t confer herd immunity because of the other 27%.

    Note also that herd immunity for humoral immunity has continually has its percentage goals over time moved from 75% upward to 95% or more, simply because it can’t be done and the allopathic pharmaceutical industry refuses to acknowledge that.

    The “free-rider” stuff is simple nonsense. Those that are vaccinated still contract, carry, and transmit the diseases they are supposed to be immune from. The pertussis outbreaks in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties in 2010-11, where 85 and 81% of the patients were vaccinated, including the Index Patients, proves the point. I was there and saw it firsthand. Ironically, in my unvaccinated home (me, see below, wife allergic to shot additives), nobody caught pertussis even though it was literally all around us in the vaccinated. Why not? Clean home, clean water, and good nutrition from home-grown and organic foods. We were no free rider at all; we had already done a lot of this research and had taken steps to boost our immune system naturally in spite of our historical issues so that it could handle these diseases as naturally as possible. For the most part, for the past 30 years, we’ve been successful, based on simple common sense.

    The commonly-held public idea (which you haven’t said, to be accurate) that a vaccine serves as some sort of a “magic wall” against the disease is simply nonsense, especially since the disease in the shot themselves can give one the disease (as happened to me with Rubella in 1974, leading to apraxia and allergies via encephalitic reaction, and Influenza A H3N2 in 1989 and most recently last month [for the first time in 30 years!] with no shot, meaning that H3N2 humoral immunity from 1989 had worn off completely as expected) not to mention the inflammatory effects of the adjuvants (including the formaldehyde, Polysorbate 80, and toxic heavy metal poisoning from the aluminum) that both suppresses the immune system against pathogenic infections (biologic intruders), etc. while the immune system is trying to address the physical intruders (metals, etc.) plus the imbalance that can lead to permanent immune system problems such as asthma, allergies, ASDs, and other neurological problems including Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and probably ALS and MS from the resulting encephalitic reactions.

    Yes, allergies and asthma are immune system imbalances.

    One last thing: The Disneyland measles outbreak was from a Philippines strain that had no vaccine in America, per the WHO, so even there a vaccine was useless, with the net result was a lot of uninformed hysteria and more laws that destroyed medical freedom in California, and with similar actions happening right now in Washington state.

    In short, vaccines are not immunity, they don’t work as advertised, and do more harm than good in a lot of cases. Much more has been done to deal with these diseases by improvement in sanitation, hygiene, and nutrition. See also https://www.learntherisk.org/diseases/ and https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/, among other places, and check out https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895. Dr. Humphries really knows her stuff.

  7. dL

    Clean home, clean water, and good nutrition from home-grown and organic foods.

    yep, breastfeeding(the ultimate organic food) historically has been such a great defense against infant mortality

    #crackPot

  8. dL

    My own answer to that question is that rule by experts is more dangerous than measles.

    For middle-aged men, true. I’m not sure when it comes to infants and young children. Of course, I don’t consider childhood vaccinations to be rule by expert.

  9. Gene Berkman

    The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity has a column by Adam Dick about this agreement between the two alternative parties in Maine http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2019/february/11/where-greens-and-libertarians-can-agree/

    He ends his column with a reference to an earlier attempt of this kind:
    “The Maine parties’ announcement is reminiscent of a press conference Ron Paul held in September of 2008 at the National Press Club with independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, Green Party presidential nominee Cynthia McKinney, and Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin as his guests. At that press conference, the third party and independent candidates announced their agreement with a policy statement dealing with foreign policy, individual rights, presidential powers, the national debt, the Federal Reserve, and corporate welfare.”

  10. SocraticGadfly

    dl, but they DO have that right. All the exemptions for religious or “personal belief” clauses allow unvaccinated kids to attend public schools. So, I stand by what I said about adding a Point 11.

  11. SocraticGadfly

    Oh, lordy, THAT Thomas Knapp.

    And, your analogy is all, totally all, wet.

    Rather than drinking vs vaccination requirements, the correct analogy would be drinking and driving — where you’re interacting with the public — vs vaccination requirements. Public health and public safety, in both cases.

    But, if you’re going to analogize apples to bocce balls, you throw away credibility. (Not that I think most your postings at the Garrison Center have that.)

  12. SocraticGadfly

    Seebeck, that’s simply not true, and whether it’s out of ignorance or out of deliberate hand-waving, that’s a distortion of the reality of herd immunity.

  13. dL

    dl, but they DO have that right. All the exemptions for religious or “personal belief” clauses allow unvaccinated kids to attend public schools. So, I stand by what I said about adding a Point 11.

    A permit to file a bureaucratic exemption is not exactly a “right” in the same sense one usually associates with “having a right.” I might be more sympathetic to the notion of mandatory vaccinations as a condition for attending public schools if public school attendance wasn’t compulsory.

  14. dL

    And, your analogy is all, totally all, wet.

    No, the analogy wasn’t the best but the point about the scope of public health meddling is valid.

  15. dL

    Seebeck, that’s simply not true, and whether it’s out of ignorance or out of deliberate hand-waving, that’s a distortion of the reality of herd immunity.

    Chronic health problems that medicine has no real treatment for–a very common thing, particularly as you age–often leads people to quack medicine. I certainly have been guilty of that. There is a smaller subset that not only will try it but will embrace it…and begin to blame chronic conditions on a pharmaceutical plot of some sort.

  16. Seebeck

    dL, you are an ignorant moron.

    My son was bottle-fed because my wife’s milk supply failed. But he was also fed on organic baby food made from pureed vegetables from our own garden as well as an organic CSA, and he shoveled it down like there was no end.

    Of course, you weren’t there, so you ASSuming things you know nothing about is typical of you.

    And I have forgotten more about this issue than you will ever learn, primarily because of my own vaccine-related health issues that I’ve been dealing with for almost 45 years.

    Your excuse? Don’t know, don’t care. But until you can even begin to explain something as simple as the basic parts of the immune system, you are a troll.

  17. Seebeck

    Sorry, SocraticGadfly, but it is very true, backed by actual science, and since you obviously know nothing about the issue while I extrapolated it rather clearly and correctly, you have nothing useful to say and are an ignorant troll like dL.

    I have a literal lifetime of experience and researched knowledge dealing with this stuff. You have uneducated bluster.

  18. dL

    dL, you are an ignorant moron.

    Coming from someone who likely couldn’t pass middle school math competency test, I take that as a complement
    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2018/12/jim-comparing-voter-registration-trends-of-current-nationally-organized-third-parties-in-the-us-since-1970/#comment-1927612

    And I have forgotten more about this issue than you will ever learn, primarily because of my own vaccine-related health issues that I’ve been dealing with for almost 45 years.

    Yeah, you play a medical expert on a message board forum. Apparently, your primary way of standing up to peer review is to call people morons and appeal to your own misery as a source of authority. This cockamamie claim that nutrition is how you counter diseases that historically have been responsible for endemic infant mortality–the reason that average human life expectancy before the 20th century was half of what is today–counts as some of the most ignoramus drivel I’ve had the displeasure of reading. It doesn’t stand up to a message board peer review, much less a scientific one.

  19. paulie

    Funny, so much focus on just one of the ten points. Missing forest for trees as usual here… there is a lot of room for agreements like this among parties. In many different states, nationally etc.

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