Florida Reform Party Chair Joe Wendt Announces POTUS Bid

Joe Wendt, Chairman of the Florida Reform Party, hasthrown his hat in the ring for the Reform Party 2020 Nomination. He joins Darcy Richardson and others who have, or soon will also announce. Joe has been active in politics for many years. He made his announcement via his FaceBook page, Joe Wendt on September 6 at 9:16 AM:

https://www.facebook.com/JoeWendtOfficial/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARARLF7iCBoEbpmlF-RSYsB3-3Iwk_8DXIlj3cdhZMwTa1NAh76NvseVFB2utNY7XWd4q44EbvAeb6Wh

“I have decided to enter the Presidential race and run for the Reform Party’s Presidential nomination. Within the next few weeks, I will be preparing a website and an initial fundraising round to raise $3000. Help me fix our country, help me give people a choice. Vote for Joe Wendt, Vote for a brave new world.”

64 thoughts on “Florida Reform Party Chair Joe Wendt Announces POTUS Bid

  1. William Saturn

    It makes no difference for three reasons:

    (1) Wendt has a very unlikable personality
    (2) Wendt actively supported and campaigned for neo Nazi Billy Roper for President in 2012, and
    (3) Wendt is on record making bigoted comments against little people, Russians, and perhaps others.

  2. Darcy G Richardson

    For the record, I am no longer seeking the Reform Party’s presidential nomination.

    As a witty observer once noted — a close friend of mine, as it turns out — a person can only drag a corpse around for so long before the smell becomes unbearable.

    Eventually, it starts attracting flies and other necrop­hilous insects.

    My running mate, former State Senator and Public Service Commission chairwoman Nancy Argenziano, a longtime environmentalist and consumer advocate, and I tried to revive the Reform Party last year during my campaign for governor here in Florida — a candidacy in which we logged thousands of miles while taking a considerable amount of abuse from both major parties because of the razor-thin outcome.

    While we were the only third-party campaign in the country to poll the difference between our major-party opponents in a gubernatorial or U.S. Senate race in 2018 (deep-pocketed independents Oz Griebel in Connecticut and Greg Orman in Kansas also polled the difference in their gubernatorial campaigns last year), thereby forcing an automatic statewide recount, support from the national Reform Party leadership, made up of a handful of inept keyboard warriors on Facebook with little or no practical political experience, was virtually non-existent.

    If I’m not mistaken, members of the Reform Party’s national leadership provided a total of $5 toward our $70,000 budget. That was a donation from party secretary Nicholas Hensley. The party’s rank-and-file outside of the Sunshine State contributed even less.

    I wish the Reform Party well, but it’s really time to give up the ghost.

    If folks are looking for an alternative to the increasingly corrupt, Wall Street-controlled duopoly next year, the nationally-organized Libertarian, Green and Constitution parties — not necessarily in that order — would be a good place to start.

    Or perhaps to some new entity emerging, say, next March, a month known best for college basketball madness, but also universally recognized as “Deaf History Month.” If we’re really lucky next year, it’ll also be known as a month when the politically hard of hearing and impaired — the vast majority of the American electorate, that is — finally had the ability to hear and to listen to a message not crafted by the financial oligarchy that has controlled our politics for the past century or longer.

    The Ides of March…

  3. Joe Wendt

    Reasons why I don’t care about other people’s criticisms:

    1) Libertarians currently tolerate actual neo-nazis and the alt-right, especially in Florida

    2) The Libertarians have at least 2 candidates that are far worse than me (yes, I am talking about Kokesh and Vohra)

    3) Due to my rebuilding efforts and Darcy’s gubernatorial campaign, the Reform Party has the #3 spot on the ballot for the Presidential election.

    4) The intention of my campaign is to rebuild the Reform Party’s ballot access and hopefully attract new people to the party.

    So, yeah, don’t care about the criticism.

  4. NewFederalist

    “The Libertarians have at least 2 candidates that are far worse than me (yes, I am talking about Kokesh and Vohra)” – Joe Wendt

    Now THAT is one hell of a campaign slogan! 🙂

  5. William Saturn

    “Libertarians currently tolerate actual neo-nazis and the alt-right, especially in Florida.”

    You were basically the campaign manager for an actual neo Nazi. You then lied about it and tried to cover it up. The Reform Party membership will be made aware of this.

  6. Joe Wendt

    William Saturn,

    Oh how you forget everything. Again, I don’t care about what you think. I have only 2 goals in my campaign:

    Grow ballot access for the Reform Party

    Warn the public about the dangers of Libertarianism and present an alternative.

  7. dL

    Warn the public about the dangers of Libertarianism and present an alternative.

    If I understand correctly, you are trying to resurrect the Reform Party in order to provide the public an alternative to electing Arvin Vohra? Well, they’re ain’t no hill for a stepper like you, Joe.

  8. NewFederalist

    “Warn the public about the dangers of Libertarianism and present an alternative.” – Joe Wendt

    Not to worry, Joe. If the party nominates Lincoln Chafee (or probably any other re-tread) there will be very little discussion of libertarianism!

  9. FW Whitley

    As an aside, consider it anecdotal:

    I have just returned home from the 2019 Latah County Fair in north central Idaho, which opened Thursday at 1 p.m. On Thursday and today (in my part of the booth staff shift) I was privileged and pleased to hand out campaign literature for Darcy Richardson.

    The public is hungry for honorable candidates. I will also say that many fair goers were quite interested in Mr.Richardson’s run via the Constitution Party of Idaho. I have (during my shifts so far) booth traffic tracking data, which has yet to be processed.

    Tomorrow, our CP-Idaho Latah Fair booth will be staffed by myself, Dave and Connie Hartigan (up from Boise–Dave is our State Area 3 Chair and our State Party Chaplain). And CP-Idaho Acting Vice Chairman James Hartley, along with myself as State Chairman.

    In addition to this booth staff, J.R. Myers from Montana (and who is himself a presidential candidate) will be at the Latah County Fair tomorrow afternoon as well. In Idaho, the electorate (based on the fair goers who walked up to our booth) are excited about the possibility of having an alternative candidate to vote for in the Idaho Primary and in November.

    I thought I should interject this actual canvasing and outreach effort at Latah Fair here in Idaho. I’m positive about the interest. Just back home–exhausted. Moving on to next phase–getting the farmstead ready for CP-Idaho guests and Latah booth staff this weekend.

  10. paulie

    For the record, I am no longer seeking the Reform Party’s presidential nomination.

    That’s a shame. I looked forward to seeing what you could do with the campaign. If there’s more back story you would rather not share here I’m interested in hearing it off the record when you get a chance.

  11. paulie

    The intention of my campaign is to rebuild the Reform Party’s ballot access and hopefully attract new people to the party.

    How will you do that? Do you have financial or volunteer resources? What’s your ballot access plan?

  12. paulie

    Grow ballot access for the Reform Party

    Did you win the lottery? Acquire a list of supporters? I’m interested in how exactly you will do this.

    Warn the public about the dangers of Libertarianism and present an alternative.

    What are these dangers and in what way do you present an alternative?

    Also, most of the public will be focused on major issues at the forefront of the national debate as well as the president and whoever the Democrats nominate, not the Libertarians, much less also-rans for the Libertarian nomination or the shennanigans of one state LP. Sour grapes against a third party isn’t a great basis for building your own base of support. You would be probably be better off ignoring the LP altogether.

    But I realize you will ignore this advice so back to the original questions above.

  13. paulie

    If I understand correctly, you are trying to resurrect the Reform Party in order to provide the public an alternative to electing Arvin Vohra

    Fairly sure the LP nomination process will already have taken care of that, LOL. Arvin couldn’t get double digits in an incumbent third run for vice chair. It’s hard to imagine many of the same delegates voting to give him the presidential nomination two years later. I’d bet heavily against that happening.

  14. paulie

    I have just returned home from the 2019 Latah County Fair in north central Idaho, which opened Thursday at 1 p.m. On Thursday and today (in my part of the booth staff shift) I was privileged and pleased to hand out campaign literature for Darcy Richardson.

    I guess you missed his comment above? Or are trying to get him to change his mind?

  15. paulie

    (3) Wendt is on record making bigoted comments against little people, Russians, and perhaps others.

    LOL, what did he say about little people and Russians?

  16. Thomas Knapp

    “Grow ballot access for the Reform Party”

    Ballot access is meant to be used.

    In 2016, the Reform Party had a seemingly reasonably well-funded presidential candidate, nominated at a convention in New York. And the New York Reform Party didn’t even bother to use its presidential ballot line.

  17. Joe Wendt

    Paulie,

    Ideally, if I were able to raise $15000, I intend to expand Reform Party ballot access to Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Colorado, Vermont.

    The dangers of Libertarianism are mainly the willingness to embrace neo-nazis and white nationalists, and the willingness to view pedophilia as a legit lifestyle choice (there are age of consent laws for a reason), and embracing candidates that believe it’s okay to emotionally abuse a person if they sign a contract (like Kokesh did with his girlfriend). That, plus the claim to being the party of principle when they nominate Bob Barr, Gary Johnson, and more than likely Lincoln Chafee is hypocritical and disingenuous.

  18. paulie

    In 2016, the Reform Party had a seemingly reasonably well-funded presidential candidate, nominated at a convention in New York. And the New York Reform Party didn’t even bother to use its presidential ballot line.

    I don’t think the NY party has anything to do with the Reform Party other than having the same name. I think it’s one of those shadow parties of Ds and Rs in NY such as Liberal, Conservative, Working Families, Right to Life, Womens Equality, etc. Most of these only exist in NY State and rarely do anything except cross-nominate or refuse to cross-nominate D and R candidates. On rare occasions they will run someone who is not a cross-nominee. They don’t have a whole lot to do with presidential politics.

  19. paulie

    Ideally, if I were able to raise $15000, I intend to expand Reform Party ballot access to Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Colorado, Vermont.

    And if you could raise 150,000 you could throw in some other states too. Even more if you can raise 1.5 million. But who do you know who’s going to give you any of those amounts including the smaller one? Or what kinds of lists and fundraisers or fundraising abilities do you have?

    The dangers of Libertarianism are mainly the willingness to embrace neo-nazis and white nationalists, and the willingness to view pedophilia as a legit lifestyle choice (there are age of consent laws for a reason), and embracing candidates that believe it’s okay to emotionally abuse a person if they sign a contract (like Kokesh did with his girlfriend).

    A lot of us don’t embrace anything of that nature, so that’s not a danger of Libertarianism, it’s a danger of mixing libertarianism with the alt right and fash nonsense. Most of us are completely opposed to pedophilia, and Adam is not “embraced” by most LP members. He also claims he has learned from that experience and grown as a person. Interview has been mailed to IPR and will be posted this weekend.

    That, plus the claim to being the party of principle when they nominate Bob Barr, Gary Johnson, and more than likely Lincoln Chafee is hypocritical and disingenuous.

    It’s much too early to guess who we will nominate in 2020. I’ve been at the 2000, 2004, 2008, 12 and 16 presidential conventions, voted against the winning presidential nominee 3 of 5 times, and never voted for a winning VP nominee. In all of those cases there were substantial minorities voting for other candidates and in some cases multiple ballots. We are a party of principle certainly when compared with larger parties.

    Speaking of principles, as in issue stances, what are yours? You’ve gone back and forth supporting a dizzying number of parties and candidates all over the ideological map over the years, including on several different occasions the LP. If your problem with the LP is that we are not principled enough, does that mean you support radical libertarian views yourself? If yes, why did you support those other parties and candidates? If no, how can you fault the LP for not being principled enough when you were an LP officer and candidates yourself while holding other views, and why do you care if the LP is sufficiently stringent in being tied to certain issue positions if you don’t share them?

  20. William Saturn

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635006

    “Just because someone has a racist view or makes a racist statement, doesn’t mean they are bad people, it’s an opinion.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20111110192747/http://bostontea.us/node/1010#comment-4

    “So what if Mr. Roper is part of a white supremacist group. Truman and Byrd were KKK members, and look at their contributions to society. Strom Thurmond was a stauch segregationist, and look at his brilliant career. Just because someone has a belief that offends others does not mean he should be discounted from any party nomination, that is for a convention and the voters to decide. And besides, look at the platform Mr. Roper is running under:

    http://vote4roper.webs.com/issues.htm

    [. . .]

    And My Question to Mr. Perry: Why should we disqualify someone because of an un-pc personal belief? Like it or not, everyone is a tad racist; hell I dispise midgets. Shouldn’t we judge some on their actions rather then an eccentric personal belief?”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20111110192747/http://bostontea.us/node/1010#comment-21

    More to come . . .

  21. William Saturn

    And to show the above wasn’t satirical, here’s Wendt making a comment about Carl Person two years later:

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/02/nyc-libertarian-mayoral-candidate-carl-person-said-obama-has-adopted-two-of-his-proposed-economic-reforms/#comment-813788

    “Carl Person is a good guy. Plus, he did win 30000 votes in his race for AG as a Libertarian. He’s worked hard to build and promote the LP and it’s values. Then, when you look at Davis, you have to ask yourself what she’s done for the party? The answer, nothing. So the choice is pretty clear, Carl is the better candidate.”

  22. William Saturn

    And if Wendt wants to deny he is q2q. There’s this:

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/11/compilation-of-candidate-statements-for-open-at-large-position-on-the-lnc/#comment-793161

    “As the Treasurer for the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County (FL), I strongly endorse Carl Person’s candidacy for the At-large LNC position. He spent $40000 of his own money running for the LP Presidential nomination. He spends his own money on seminars for people so they can learn more about being their own boss instead of being sucked into wage slavery. He has worked tirelessly as a lawyer to help people in need of legal help. Carl Person is a good man, and the LNC needs good men (in the classical sense meaning people). Does he have some ideas that are out there? Yes, but if we look at previous LNC members such as Mary Ruwart, Carl’s ideas aren’t too wacky. Carl will be a great addition to the LNC.”

    According to https://www.lp.org/blogs-staff-florida-libertarian-joseph-wendt-netted-43-of-vote-on-platform-to-abolish-his-office/

    “Wendt had considered running for state representative as a Republican in 2010, but as a long-time fan of the limited-government views of Ron Paul, he quickly grew disaffected with the establishment GOP. When members of the local Libertarian Party affiliate asked him to become involved, he jumped at the chance. He has since become treasurer of the Hillsborough County LP affiliate, and said that he may seek a position in state party leadership.”

  23. Joe Wendt

    Paulie,

    I am not running on any grandiose principle based campaign. I am not perfect, but I do not like it when a certain group of people who have soo many faults and lapses in judgement to then claim to be a party of principle irks me. They should held accountable for once.

    Well, I am working on a fundraising lists and I am working with a few individuals, so I am hopeful with my chances to raise the $15000. I’m keeping my fundraising goals modest, since that’s a realistic amount.

    William Saturn,

    “Carl Person is the only candidate of principle. Bestiality is a real victim-less crime. I am just happy to see a candidate understand the kind of relationship me and my dog have. You go Carl!!!”
    I did not make those comments. My computer was hack during that time though. As for your other criticisms, I do not give a fuck. You clearly didn’t care when I or others where being attacked by the Florida Libertarian White Nationalists: https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/10/joe-wendt-withdraws-from-us-senate-campaign-libertarian-party-of-florida-active-membership/#comments

    So, shove it.

  24. William Saturn

    “I did not make those comments. My computer was hack during that time though”

    So someone hacked your computer and left IPR comments under your email address and IP and claimed to be the Treasurer of the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County and to support Carl Person for president?

    You seriously expect people to believe that?

  25. paulie

    I am not running on any grandiose principle based campaign. I am not perfect, but I do not like it when a certain group of people who have soo many faults and lapses in judgement to then claim to be a party of principle irks me. They should held accountable for once.

    I don’t expect you to be perfect. I’m certainly not. But. It seems like an odd strategy for you to base your campaign around another party which is not even close to being in power. Why not stand on your own feet and give people a reason to support you as opposed to trying to cut down another alternative? The LP is not perfect either. I think we’re a lot better than the parties actually in power, and would focus my attacks there if I were to attack anyone, or alternatively I would just present my own vision and try to give people a positive reason to vote for me and not someone else, not because of the failings of those others but because of my own ideas and achievements.

    Let’s say you convince a bunch of people the LP sucks. (I don’t think you will, because not that many people care about the LP all that much, and even if you meet your goals you will not be on the ballot in most states or have much of a platform for reaching very many voters, and people have limited attention spans so unless you gran the few seconds they might notice you to tell them something compelling about the issues which matter to them they will change the channel or scroll or walk on by etc etc.) But let’s say you do. So now what? The states where you might get on are the easiest states so they will have a lot of choices on their ballot. You’ve then still done nothing to convince them to vote for *you* or donate to *you* or volunteer for *you* or get on *your* announcement list etc.

    Suppose you manage to convince a few hundred people to not vote for the LP. Most of those still won’t vote for you because they have a lot of other choices and you have done nothing to prove you are the best one. How does that build your party?

    If you want to vent at the LP is running yourself the best way to do that? I mean, imagine Andrew Yang basing his campaign around cutting down Marianne Williamson, calling her a fake and a fraud and a phony. Maybe she is, maybe she’s not, but would that help him in any way? She’s not a leading candidate. He’s done nothing to build his own brand. Just wasted that tiny bit of debate time when the focus is on him to cut down someone else most people had no interest in voting for to begin with and made no case for himself. Would this inspire you to donate to Yang or knock doors for him or vote for him?

    So now back to you. Let’s say you have me on the phone, and I have some money that I am willing to give to whoever I think will provide the best solutions for the country’s problems even if that person is only on the ballot in a small handful of states, perhaps because it happens to be my state. OK, what’s your pitch? I’m not sure how long I will take before I hang up but it probably won’t be more than a few seconds. Remember, most people have short attention spans. You’re essentially a telemarketer to them as far as most of them are concerned. You have a very short amount of time to grab their attention before they hang up on you, tune you out, basically say next.

    So what do you tell that person?

  26. MLB

    “So, shove it.”

    Well, that certainly sounds presidential.

    If this is the quality of people seeking the Reform Party’s presidential nomination, then Richardson is right. The party should probably be put out of its misery.

    I heard a few months ago that Joe Wendt was secretly collaborating with J.R. Myers — the author of this thread, coincidentally — in an attempt to merge the Reform Party with Myers’ recently-organized Life & Liberty Party, a tiny breakaway faction from the national Constitution Party.

    Myers, who is probably as erratic and dishonest as Wendt himself, even posted a piece on his blog at the time saying that the Reform Party of Florida and the Constitution Party of Idaho had affiliated with his group when no such thing ever occurred.

    It’ll be funny if we find out that Myers is also suddenly seeking the Reform Party’s nomination. Two peas in a pod.

  27. Jim

    paulie “So what do you tell that person?”

    “Hi, my name is Joe Wendt. I’m running for President on the Reform Party line. I’m running for office because a LIBERTARIAN out in Arizona named Adam Kokesh manipulated his former girlfriend into signing a contract which required her to give him daily back rubs and limit her phone usage to 25 minutes a day. Would you be willing to make a one time donation of $15,000 to my campaign?”

    Obviously.

  28. Darcy G. Richardson

    “I want Hunter S. Thompson’s Freak Power Party back.” — Thomas L. Knapp

    Recognizing that the 2020 presidential election will most likely be rather dismal for the country’s minor parties, particularly given the extraordinarily extreme hyper-partisanship and polarization of our body politic, probably the most “freakish” thing in American history at this point in time would be if the country’s nationally-organized third parties, agreeing to put ideological differences aside for just one election cycle, banded together to mount a serious assault on the two major parties that have misgoverned this nation while systematically — and deliberately — marginalizing and repressing any alternatives to their continued misrule of this once great Republic.

    There aren’t too many of us, but it would truly freak them out…unlike most democracies around the world that have coalition governments, the Democrats and Republicans wouldn’t know how to effectively combat the idea of such an administration in a presidential election.

    A coalition government, after all, would offer a little bit of something for virtually every constituency — something neither major party, pandering exclusively to their respective and deeply dug-in bases, currently provide in our shamefully corrupted, Wall Street-controlled and polarized politics.

    It’ll never happen, of course, but it would definitely grab people’s attention — and that of the otherwise somnolent media — and would be a great experiment, making ordinary Americans wonder why these various different parties are joining together for once against the Democrats and Republicans.

    Just a thought…

    After all, it’s our country, too, and defeating the smug duopoly — and all of those partisans who cravenly cling to it — would be the joy of a lifetime.

  29. paulie

    “Hi, my name is Joe Wendt. I’m running for President on the Reform Party line. I’m running for office because a LIBERTARIAN out in Arizona named Adam Kokesh manipulated his former girlfriend into signing a contract which required her to give him daily back rubs and limit her phone usage to 25 minutes a day. Would you be willing to make a one time donation of $15,000 to my campaign?”

    Obviously.

    Sounds compelling. Where do I send the check or find the donate link?

  30. Darcy G. Richardson

    “So….

    Darcy for LP, CP and GP nominations?”

    Just putting the idea out there. Such a campaign could be used to thoroughly educate the American public on just how unfairly rigged the system really is, not only in terms of burdensome and discriminatory ballot access laws, but also the media’s complicity in propping up the failed duopoly and who actually finances the two decrepit parties, as well as letting voters know the extremes the two parties and their apologists have gone to stymie real opposition in this country.

    The results could be surprising.

    Most Americans are vaguely aware of some, if not all of this, but these issues have never been effectively articulated in a presidential campaign because minor-party presidential aspirants — and I’ve supported many of them across the political spectrum — have always been more focused on talking about their party’s specific ideological positions.

    A generic appeal to the unfairness of it all could have great appeal, especially in this highly-polarized environment.

    .

  31. Joe Wendt

    Paulie,

    Donald Trump literally got elected demeaning and demonizing his opponents in the primary and in the election. So, it’s plausible to use the same tactic. And let’s be honest, there are people who find Kokesh and Vohra unacceptable. Even if Chafee is the nominee, based on his record, people would also find him unacceptable. I’m not delusional enough to believe that those people will flock the Reform Party. But realistically, it should help me raise $15000 total.

    William Saturn,

    I actually suspect you in the hack

  32. Thomas Knapp

    Well … ideas matter.

    Rather than “putting ideological differences aside,” a coalition of third parties, to be successful to any significant degree, would need to “put ideological agreements up front.”

    If two or more of the “third” parties could agree to nominate a presidential/vice-presidential slate running hard on a few key issues positions those parties’ supporters (and much of the public) agree on and that the major parties aren’t delivering on, and mostly ignoring everything else, that could have a couple of effects:

    1) Inciting congressional appeasement on those issues between election cycles; and

    2) Inciting the next crop of major party presidential candidates to try to co-opt those issues positions in some form.

    The common ground is there on some issues and between some of these parties. It’s emphasizing that, not de-emphasizing the disagreements, that would be key.

  33. Darcy G. Richardson

    “Well … ideas matter.”

    Agreed, Tom. I think there are several key areas where the three leading nationally-organized third parties agree — an antiwar, non-interventionist foreign policy, opposition to increasing government and corporate surveillance (an issue far more profound than most Americans realize), and, aiming at the heart of the Establishment, ending Wall Street’s control of our nation’s monetary system for the exclusive benefit of the “investor class,” among several other issues — and those issues should definitely be emphasized by any prospective third-party coalition candidate.

  34. Thomas Knapp

    And agreed back!

    What I would be looking for in a fusion-type candidacy would be something like this:

    1) A pair of candidates, each of them from a different third party, get together and decide who’s going to seek the presidential nomination of all those parties and who’s going to seek the VP nomination of all those parties.

    2) Those two candidates put together a short campaign platform emphasizing no more than five, and preferably three, issues that are cared about deeply by not just they and their parties, but the public, and that the “major” parties are ignoring and/or failing to act meaningfully and positively on. Their positions on those issues need to resonate with both their parties and the public.

    3) Those two candidates announce their candidacies for the nominations of ALL the parties in question from the start. Since the different parties have different nomination procedures (and since at least some states won’t let a candidate run in more than one primary, or appear on one party’s ballot after competing in another party’s primary), they need a campaign plan which makes it possible for them to get all those nominations and to leverage the strengths and weaknesses of the various parties to appear on at least one ballot line in each state.

    4) Then they need to campaign strongly enough, including raising enough money, to make it clear that any of the parties that don’t nominate them will be “odd man out” in the coming election — that this fusion campaign is where the action is, and everything else will be a sideshow to it.

    Doable? I don’t know. But if it is, the first step is being realistic about it, not a la Robert Milnes’s “all of you should nominate me even though none of you nor any substantial portion of the public agrees with me on anything and nobody has ever heard of me and I’m not willing to, you know, campaign or anything, because if you do that we will MAGICALLY WIN.”

  35. Jake Leonard

    ***eyeroll***

    Literally, the only parties outside of the duopoly who have considerable ballot access via a recognized party status (or in some states, major party status with a caucus or primary) are the Libertarian, Green and Constitution parties, the last one literally on its deathbed.

    The Reform Party had their opportunities with the presidential race of H. Ross Perot and the Jesse Ventura gubernatorial administration. Just another joke minor party that honestly only gets a ballot access line in three states.

  36. William Saturn

    “But realistically, it should help me raise $15000 total.”

    Realistically, nobody will give a dime to someone who served as the campaign manager for a neo nazi and who is on record having admitted to engaging in bestiality.

  37. paulie

    Donald Trump literally got elected demeaning and demonizing his opponents in the primary and in the election.

    Yes, but I’m pretty sure he ignored those who 90% of the public already were not considering to begin with, didn’t have a problem with ballot access and did have a massive platform to communicate his message. Your situation and approach is not exactly analogous. Trump, Biden, Warren or Sanders might get elected by spending a lot of their time going negative against each other. Gabbard and Yang…not so much. JR Myers won’t get a lot of traction by slamming the shit out of Howie Hawkins. Phil Collins, the Prohibition nominee not the English singer, is not going to get a lot of votes by spending his campaign focused on Vermin Supreme.

    Additionally, Trump did have a message: Make America Great Again, Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Build the Wall. Granted it was all total bullshit mixed with liquefied anthrax in a blender, but he had a message. What’s yours?

    So, it’s plausible to use the same tactic. And let’s be honest, there are people who find Kokesh and Vohra unacceptable. Even if Chafee is the nominee, based on his record, people would also find him unacceptable.

    I’m not inclined to support any of those folks for the LP nomination. Now what?

  38. paulie

    Just putting the idea out there. Such a campaign could be used to thoroughly educate the American public on just how unfairly rigged the system really is, not only in terms of burdensome and discriminatory ballot access laws, but also the media’s complicity in propping up the failed duopoly and who actually finances the two decrepit parties, as well as letting voters know the extremes the two parties and their apologists have gone to stymie real opposition in this country.

    The results could be surprising.

    Most Americans are vaguely aware of some, if not all of this, but these issues have never been effectively articulated in a presidential campaign because minor-party presidential aspirants — and I’ve supported many of them across the political spectrum — have always been more focused on talking about their party’s specific ideological positions.

    A generic appeal to the unfairness of it all could have great appeal, especially in this highly-polarized environment.

    I agree. I just don’t know off hand who is going to out there and attempt to make that case if you won’t. Maybe someone will, but probably not.

  39. paulie

    Sounds compelling. Where do I send the check or find the donate link?

    Damn. I know the game is to be sold not told, but I feel bad. Pro tip: never, ever ignore this particular question. If it’s posed in public, I don’t care if it sounds sarcastic, answer anyway. Someone else may be reading who may actually be impressed with your …ideas?… and want to send you money for real. Maybe not, but you don’t lose anything by putting that link or PO Box or whatever out there as many times as you can, especially when someone gives you an opening.

  40. William Saturn

    Thank you for linking to my posting of the Charlie Hebdo cartoon, which I posted to protest censorship by the government of Pakistan.

    Now back to issue at hand.

    Has your opinion on bestiality changed since 2011?
    Do you still engage in it?

  41. Thomas Knapp

    “We currently live in a world where the current President won by demeaning and demonizing his opponents. So, the strategy of doing the same to the Libertarian nominee and the LP is a valid strategy.”

    Yes, it is, if you’re a worthless fuckstick.

    Are you a worthless fuckstick?

  42. Joe Wendt

    Knapp,

    That is the world we live in. If that makes me a fuckstick so be it. However, the LP is a group of fucksticks, given the apparent willingness to recruit gun control advocate Lincoln Chafee. So, that is the world we live in.

  43. Joe Wendt

    Paulie,

    I don’t have any intention on winning. I just want to increase ballot access for the Reform Party and support their message. I also want to troll the LP, warn people about the less desirable parts of that ideology and party. If I don’t like the current candidates running for the LP nomination, consider donating some money to me: https://www.paypal.com/donate/?token=XO5X2LYXAjzksHNDOKt9P25SwsEvG4RVxflEYt7sUWoXGI-5bNA9j2d8Dkr6DJ-Btju4jW&country.x=US&locale.x=US

    Why donate? First, all moneys will go to ballot access. That will help put a candidate on the ballot as the Reform Party candidate in more states than in the past decade. Second, what better way to demonstrate your dissatisfaction with the LP than financially support a candidate who will vocally criticize the LP. Trump won’t do that. The Democrat won’t do that.

  44. dL

    “Hi, my name is Joe Wendt. I’m running for President on the Reform Party line. I’m running for office because a LIBERTARIAN out in Arizona named Adam Kokesh manipulated his former girlfriend into signing a contract which required her to give him daily back rubs and limit her phone usage to 25 minutes a day. Would you be willing to make a one time donation of $15,000 to my campaign?”

    Unfortunately for Joe, the democratic party got the exclusive rights to the Koch brothers. The reform party gets the table scraps. But I don’t think Kokesh or Vohra are worth a 150 bills. They might be worth a free Arby’s coupon. Maybe…

  45. Jim

    Darcy G. Richardson “unlike most democracies around the world that have coalition governments, the Democrats and Republicans wouldn’t know how to effectively combat the idea of such an administration in a presidential election. A coalition government, after all, would offer a little bit of something for virtually every constituency — something neither major party, pandering exclusively to their respective and deeply dug-in bases, currently provide”

    The Republican and Democratic Parties effectively are different governing coalitions masquerading as parties. Republicans in the Northeast tend to be pro-choice and support some gun regulations, Republicans in the Southeast tend to be pro-life and oppose gun regulations. The coalition comes together around the goal of lowering taxes by 0.5% or so. Democrats also have different factions which come together around the goal of increasing social benefits by some disputed amount.

    Darcy G. Richardson “Such a campaign could be used to thoroughly educate the American public on just how unfairly rigged the system really is, not only in terms of burdensome and discriminatory ballot access laws… A generic appeal to the unfairness of it all could have great appeal, especially in this highly-polarized environment.”

    Very few Americans care about ballot access laws. Most Americans only care about what directly effects their lives. You can try to explain how ballot access laws limit which ideas enter the common debate and how that might impact their lives, but it won’t matter. It’s too far removed.

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  47. J.R.Myers

    Don’t know who MLB is, but is sure is easy to throw around anonymous false accusations isn’t it? We’ve been trying to build a coalition effort. It isn’t easy to work with so many different ideologies and personalities. I find it amusing that some find they must snipe at our efforts, anonymously, of course.
    lifeandlibertyparty.com

  48. J.R. Myers

    I agree with your thinking Darcy. Yes, someone should just declare they are a candidate for all three of the leading alternative parties. Then, go for it. It would serve to highlight the major flaws and deliberate obstacles within our election systems. United We Stand, Divided We Fall..Do it Darcy!

  49. Darcy G Richardson

    Tribalism would probably thwart such an effort, but I might be willing to give it a whirl — a limited experiment, if you will — by entering the Constitution Party of Idaho and California Peace & Freedom Party primaries in March.

    Needless to say, I’m not expecting a groundswell of support in either state.

    In fact, if there’s a groundswell in Idaho, it’ll probably be due to an unexpected late winter frost heave and if the same thing happens in California, it will most likely be related to a distant earthquake.

    Then again, in this highly polarized political environment, maybe it’s time for somebody to say that he or she will “bring us together.”

    After all, it worked for Richard Nixon in 1968 — another period in which the nation was badly divided.

    This time it should preferably come from outside the corrupt duopoly — the twin parties of Wall Street responsible for the current level of hyper-partisanship and our country’s tragic decline over the past four or five decades.

    Seriously, what do we have to lose at this point? The two major-parties, after all, have been doing everything in their power to silence and stamp out any alternative voices, as though they have the answer to anything.

    That’s how we ended up with an ill-prepared and poorly-informed narcissist in the White House, a guy who thinks the world revolves around him — and a candidate the Democrats weren’t able to defeat and probably can’t a second time. Given the current Democratic field, Trump will probably be re-elected in a landslide. Think about it…

  50. NewFederalist

    I’m in! I hope you declare your intent to seek the nominations of all alternative parties to attempt to focus the electorate to on the proposition that they don’t have to choose between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. In this case political philosophy is less important than the message that we are very off track. Just my $0.02 worth.

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