January 2020 Open Thread

Trump begins 2020 by banning flavored e-cigarettes and pushing WW III with Iran. lobe den Führer.

59 thoughts on “January 2020 Open Thread

  1. paulie

    As the resident “TDS” accusation bearer… I hate to point out I’ve been correct. I really do, because I wish I had been wrong.

  2. dL Post author

    Could be all of the above?

    Could be none of the above. Unlike, say, 19th century French emperors, there’s no evidence that American war criminals and/or blunderers ever pay for their crimes or mistakes. Indeed, they are usually rewarded for such. And while Trump is a chickenhawk crook, his base defines abject collective idiocy. In a room full of republicans, Trump is always smartest man in the room. personne n’a jamais fait faillite en sous-estimant l’intelligence du peuple américain

  3. dL Post author

    As the resident “TDS” accusation bearer… I hate to point out I’ve been correct. I really do, because I wish I had been wrong.

    I think you are more the resident PDS bearer. Plenty of us identified Trump as a narcissistic grifter

  4. Bondurant

    The Deep State always gets what it wants. Trump is just another puppet. GOP and Democrats. Same shit, different day.

  5. dL Post author

    The Deep State always gets what it wants. Trump is just another puppet. GOP and Democrats. Same shit, different day.

    “Deep state” is such a quaint term. When it’s completely out in the open, it isn’t so “deep” anymore. Permanent state is the more apropos description. But in this instance, if you’re looking for a conspiracy, I think “wag the dog” is the better fit.

  6. George Phillies

    Another duopoly party carpetbagger descends on the LP Presidential campaign race.

    Lincoln Chafee.

    secure.anedot DOT com/lincoln-chafee-for-president/donate

  7. Eric Sundwall

    ONce again the anti-NAPper’s have the upper hand . . . dastardly Fabian Root-ists!

  8. Jared

    “Another duopoly party carpetbagger descends on the LP Presidential campaign race.”

    It was only a matter of time. Gotta give him some credit for exercising self-restraint. Ten months in the party before announcing a presidential bid is still ten months longer than Gary circa 2012. Boy, if Justin Amash throws his hat in the ring, Nick Sarwark will have one hell of a time deciding which big shiny fish is supposed to lure more funding and member registrations.

    So will Lincoln’s next stop on this futile quest for attention and relevance will be the Constitution Party or the Greens?

  9. dL Post author

    Another duopoly party carpetbagger descends on the LP Presidential campaign race.

    According to Knapp, there is another one coming, too.

    #jamesGang
    #theEagles

  10. Thomas Knapp

    I only had one source on that claim until this morning. Now I have a second source. Both sources are from LP presidential candidates’ campaign teams.

    The second one I’m told to expect an announcement from is Joe Walsh. Unfortunately, not the Eagles guitarist.

  11. NewFederalist

    I wonder just how much support Lincoln Chafee actually has within the libertarian community? He has some positions that appear to be at considerable variance with the Libertarian platform. Perhaps Weld will abandon his GOP bid and give Lincoln a big name opponent at the convention!

  12. Thomas Knapp

    There’s always a solid core base at LP national conventions of “oh, I think I’ve heard his name, he’s famous, I’m going to scream and throw my panties on stage like a teenage girl at a Tom Jones concert.”

    That base isn’t necessarily an existing majority — IIRC, it went to six ballots in 2008 before Barr eked out a majority, and two in Orlando for Johnson — but it can be added to with fundraising claims (true or false), ballot access assistance pledges (true or false), etc. Or if necessary, as in 2016, just whining loudly enough that there’s no other real choice.

    If nothing else, Chafee’s campaign should be interesting with respect to what positions he announces, how those positions match up with previous ones he’s acted on in power, etc.

  13. dL Post author

    I’m going to scream and throw my panties on stage like a teenage girl at a Tom Jones concert.

    Did Tom Jones ever have screaming teenage girls throwing panties at him? Intoxicated Vegas !MILF’s, maybe

  14. dL Post author

    I wonder just how much support Lincoln Chafee actually has within the libertarian community?

    I might ask that about Joe Walsh

  15. Jared

    TK: “Unfortunately, not the Eagles guitarist.”

    That’s okay. I prefer the America’s Most Wanted guy anyway.

    #ToughOnCrime

  16. Darcy G. Richardson

    With so many potential shiny badges seeking the party’s presidential nomination, delegates to the hybrid Democratic-Republican convention in Austin — a reunion of retreads, if you will — ought to bring sunglasses. The glare could be tough on one’s eyes.

  17. dL Post author

    Why is the LNC in the form of its Executive Director calling for a general war with Iraq?

    See Dan Fishman’s Facebook page.

    Summarize or a screen shot. Not everyone uses facebook.. At the very least, a link…

  18. Thomas Knapp

    Fishman posted this:

    “A meaningful response that doesn’t kill anyone? Destroy the Iranian oil fields.”

    Which, other problems aside, would kill quite a few people.

  19. paulie

    Why is the LNC in the form of its Executive Director calling for a general war with Iraq?

    See Dan Fishman’s Facebook page.

    As far as I know he still has the right to his personal opinions, and it’s not an official statement in the name of the LP.

  20. paulie

    Did Tom Jones ever have screaming teenage girls throwing panties at him? Intoxicated Vegas !MILF’s, maybe

    (G)GMIWNLFs is more like it, LOL

  21. paulie

    If nothing else, Chafee’s campaign should be interesting with respect to what positions he announces, how those positions match up with previous ones he’s acted on in power, etc.

    He has Thrasher, so he will know how to make the right noises.

  22. paulie

    I wonder just how much support Lincoln Chafee actually has within the libertarian community? He has some positions that appear to be at considerable variance with the Libertarian platform.

    So do the Pauls, Amash, Bob Barr, Bill Weld….they still get LP and/or movement support.

    Perhaps Weld will abandon his GOP bid and give Lincoln a big name opponent at the convention!

    Neocon Walsh is apparently going to be jumping ship to LP. Who else? Yang? Gabbard? Where does it end?

  23. paulie

    “Deep state” is such a quaint term. When it’s completely out in the open, it isn’t so “deep” anymore.

    It’s a nonsense term. Total bunk. Is Pompeo deep state? How about Bolton? Giuliani? There are all kinds of Bushi Amerikan warmongers who are now Trumpi Amerikan warmongers. Were they deep state then? Did they stop being deep state? Are they still deep state? If so, why is Trump appointing these people when he’s supposedly against the deep state?

    In reality the whole concept is a crock. There are competing, shifting alliances within the power structure. Not a single “deep state” conspiracy.

  24. paulie

    I think you are more the resident PDS bearer. Plenty of us identified Trump as a narcissistic grifter

    True, but I think I’ve most consistently predicted how extremely terrible he will end up. It’s true that he is not there yet, but it’s headed that way. The only thing I was never sure about and still am not is the time frame.

  25. paulie

    Could be none of the above. Unlike, say, 19th century French emperors, there’s no evidence that American war criminals and/or blunderers ever pay for their crimes or mistakes.

    Paying for it was not mentioned. The all of the above refers to: chickenhawk crook, fucking idiot, crime, mistake. I don’t think you mean this was none of the above.

    And while Trump is a chickenhawk crook, his base defines abject collective idiocy.

    Yeah, that’s definitely not none of the above.

  26. Libertarian in Colorado

    Justin Amash (I, MI-3) has not ruled out running for the Libertarian Party presidential nomination, according to a report of a text exchange with friend Ross Kaminsky on Kaminsky’s Denver radio show following an interview with Amash on the first half of the 9 a.m. MST hour on Thursday, January 16, 2020. Amash is planning on running for reelection.

  27. Libertarian in Colorado

    I like the “edit comment” feature, but my recent comment does not appear yet–maybe it is being moderated since I hadn’t posted in a while.

    See direct link to Justin Amash radio interview.

  28. Paulie

    Georgia bean count , 3 beans per attendee

    Kokesh 47

    Jorgensen 29

    Supreme 26

    Behrman 21

    Others not announced. 5 more participants in the debate.

  29. Paulie

    Couldn’t live blog today ask did not have access to an outlet. All speakers and panels plus the debate and socials today. Business session tomorrow. If I get a place to plug in will cover as best I can. Jbh is here, check his page for anything i missed.

  30. Paulie

    46 delegates in Georgia. Good number of out of state folks. Never found an outlet so no separate thread. Might cover a few highlights here in open thread.

  31. Paulie

    Lincoln Chafee was not among the top 4 bean getters in his first lp debate. He said deficit was one of his top two priorities along with war ; he did not seem to know the difference between deficit and debt or perhaps had the two mixed up.

  32. Thomas Knapp

    Quoth Paulie (in a comment that showed up via email but doesn’t appear to be on the site yet):

    “Lincoln Chafee was not among the top 4 bean getters in his first lp debate. He said deficit was one of his top two priorities along with war ; he did not seem to know the difference between deficit and debt or perhaps had the two mixed up.”

    In a recent interview with The Libertarian Republic, he was asked about monetary policy and the Fed, and answered about fiscal policy, spending and deficits/debt.

    Was he answering the question he wanted to answer instead of the one that was asked? Or does he not understand the difference? Or is his mind starting to go?

  33. Paulie

    Dunno but he repeatedly kept talking about a 22 or 23 trillion dollar deficit. With or without prompting. Either he does not know the difference or he was having a senior moment or something.

  34. Paulie

    Looks like they let out of state people vote here. I am now a ga state convention delegate.

  35. Paulie

    Slowenski and Metz both endorsed for the other U.S. Sen race. Vote count corrected to 56 as the chair is not allowed to vote.

  36. Paulie

    Martin Cowan, lp member since 1972, former judge and author of Fabian libertarian, nominated for us house 1

  37. Paulie

    Vc and secy reelected over only nota each. Now district caucus. Even though we are voting delegates we do not get a district.

  38. Paulie

    John monds of ga jumped into the race for the presidential nomination. Eric fontaine affiliated with the vermin campaign was the top vote getter for national convention delegate.

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