Tom Tancredo: What Other Option Than Civil Disobedience?

Former Congressman Tom Tancredo, the Constitution Party’s 2010 nominee for Governor of Colorado, wrote the following statement yesterday on his Facebook page about the 2021 Capitol building breach:

Election integrity and security measures are ignored.  People can’t express themselves on social media due to censorship.  The dominant liberal media lies constantly and characterizes conservative opinions as “conspiracy theories,” and Republican elites can’t help ridiculing and condemning working class Americans at every turn.

What other option do these people have other than civil disobedience?

They’ve been driven to this.

They spent all of last summer having their communities burned and looted by BLM radicals, their businesses and livelihoods destroyed by overzealous government-imposed lockdowns, and watched the one president that actually fought for them undermined by members of his own party and thrown out of office by systematic voter fraud.

And BTW, if reports are true that the unarmed woman protester was killed by a cop it will be the first time in modern history that the Democrats defend a police officer who shot an unarmed protestor.

25 thoughts on “Tom Tancredo: What Other Option Than Civil Disobedience?

  1. SocraticGadfly

    Where does one even start with nuttery like this? More and more, maybe, by not further responding to it.

  2. Thomas L Knapp

    Pretending that lifelong establishment progressive Democrat Donald Trump actually magically won the election because you WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT him to have won the election isn’t “conservative.”

  3. Gene Berkman

    Again, a so-called conservative attacks private enterprise with claims of censorship. Private enterprises have a right to decide who can access their facilities, limited only by contract, and public accomadations laws (which libertarians tend to opposes).

    The censorship charge is problematic because Twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc have allowed their facilities to be used by people with a wide range of opinions. They are acting responsibly to limit the ability of Donald Trump to use social media to promote violence, and they only did so after he used social media to promote violence.

    I have been involved in libertarian and right-wing politics for 56 years, and there have always been those who promote conspiracy theories, as there are conspiracy theories on the left as well. But now conspiracy theories, and totally unsubstantiated claims of election fraud, are all that the Trump Movement has.

    The Storm Trumpers are not engaging in principled dialog about public policy positions, they are just calling their enemies evil and looking to Trump as their savior. Once, conservatives would have called this sacrilege.

    I have engaged in civil disobedience. I was a daft resister during the Vietnam War, arrested after the fall of Saigon and the end of American intervention in that country. But smashing windows and physically threatening members of Congress is not civil, and it is not part of a struggle for freedom. The Storm Trumpers do not seek freedom, but power for their insane Fuehrer.

    As for the police shooting an unarmed protester, that is not the whole story. The woman who died was a victim of American foreign policy – 8 tours in Iraq would drive many people into a desperate place. It is tragic that someone who put her life on the line in Iraq for a foolish policy, thinking she was defending freedom, would then take part in a foolish insurrection, thinking she was fighting for freedom.

    She probably was unarmed. But if you watch the video of the incident, you see people breaking into the Speaker’s office, breaking glass and destroying property, and one person shouts “we have a gun.”
    How would Mr Tancredo have handled the situation, if he were part of the security detail at the House of Reprsentatives?

    Finally, I agree with what Tom Knapp wrote above.,

  4. William Saturn Post author

    “after he used social media to promote violence.”

    That is a lie.

    And if you want people to actually read your diatribes, please be succinct.

  5. Gene Berkman

    Mr Saturn, America is a free country so you can keep your illusions if you want, but it is pretty
    clear that Donald Trump urged his followers to take action against Congress, to pressure them to
    throw out Biden electors.

    Apparently thousands of Trump supporters understood what he was calling for, even if you don’t.

  6. Tony From Long Island

    This already didn’t age well.

    Why are we even posting this clown here?

    Whataboutism is 5th grade logic and comparing sedition to ANYTHING is ridiculous.

    How come he doesn’t mention the police officer beaten to death with a fire extinguisher?

  7. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Private enterprises have a right to decide who can access their facilities …

    Much of the internet’s infrastructure was paid for by government, or built under or across land that was taken by eminent domain. Thus the internet can justifiably called public land. And if a platform gets “too big,” it should come under the First Amendment.

    “Too big” is an arbitrary, but not, therefore, an illegitimate standard. The law draws arbitrary limits all the time, by necessity (e.g., speed limit, voting age, statute of limitations, etc.)

    Once you reach the monopoly size of these tech giants, they’re no longer private companies. The corner grocery store is a private company. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter are governments unto themselves. Far more powerful than most governments of the world (e.g., Bulgaria, Zimbabwe, Paraguay, Sri Lanka, etc.)

    The tech giants can control and direct the conversation, internationally. They can spark wars and start, or stifle, revolutions. They work closely with the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, Mossad, EU, Chinese government, etc., in what might be called alliances, like any other government.

    We need to impose the First Amendment on the tech giants.

  8. Thomas L Knapp

    Tony,

    You ask:

    “Why are we even posting this clown here?”

    Because he’s a former third party candidate for political office.

    I’m surprised he hasn’t been deported as an illegal alien yet. I guess they still haven’t figured out which planet he’s from.

  9. SocraticGadfly

    No, Saturn, your response is still a lie. And you still haven’t said who the new site owner is, and most importantly, whether (or not) it’s you or some lackey, fellow traveler in your belief system, etc.

  10. William Saturn Post author

    Calling for a peaceful protest is not an order to breach the Capitol. If you say it is then you’re just repeating the lies of the political elites and corporations.

    As for the ownership of IPR, I’ll leave you in suspense.

  11. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Saturn is correct – President Trump in no way either called for or initiated violence. Those making such claims are, as usual, the very ones promoting violence now and/or in the past via Antifa & BLM. The hysterical shrieks regarding a ” coup ” by Trump supporters are made by the very people supporting the real time coup via massive voter fraud which they care not about in the slightest degree. It is interesting, but not surprising in the slightest, to see ” Libertarians ” call for censorship of Trump. As the Democrat coup seeks to turn us into a Banana Republic massive censorship is the order of the day.

  12. dL

    Much of the internet’s infrastructure was paid for by government…Thus the internet can justifiably called public land.

    Root’s Teeth has suddenly morphed into Pelosi’s Eyebrows. That’s been the cookie cutter progressive counter-argument for the past 50 years to every libertarian refrain that started with “Private business has the right to…” You’re not comporting yourself particularly well in disputing “establishment progressive Democrat Donald Trump.”

  13. dL

    As for the ownership of IPR, I’ll leave you in suspense.

    It’s not much of a suspense when it’s in the public Whois registry. It’s Austin Cassidy/Meridian Interactive. I believe Austin created the old thirdpartywatch site back in the day.

  14. Austin Cassidy

    Yep, that’s me. No big secret. I’ll do a post explaining my plans in a couple days, but the short version is that nothing much will change in the immediate future except for a big reduction in the amount of advertising on each page.

    A couple months down the line I hope to give the site a big (mobile-friendly) redesign and relaunch with a renewed focus on original journalism. But I’m still figuring out all the specifics.

    My personal political views will not dominate. IPR has and will continue to serve a very wide audience of independent-minded readers.

  15. dL

    is that nothing much will change in the immediate future except for a big reduction in the amount of advertising on each page.

    A prime technical issue is the caching that prevents people who are not logged in from seeing recent posts and comments. That issue drove away participation on the belief that the site was either eating posts in a technical glitch or evil moderators were censoring viewpoints they didn’t agree with. The simple fact is that site is simply serving up a stale cached version to unauthenticated users.

  16. Austin Cassidy

    Good point, I’ve noticed the cache issue and it’s pretty annoying. Going to have to figure something out to create a smoother experience.

  17. Edward Graydon

    If I where Donald Trump at this time in history and given the events that have taken place over the last few years .I would today January 10th 2021call for martial law leading up to the 20th and during that time I would ask the military to raid the offices of Google ,Twitter and Facebook and physically take them over for a forensic audit of possible foreign interference .I would forceable break them up . If that does not happen in the next few days I believe the consequences to free speech around the world will be monumental !

  18. Austin Cassidy

    Robert,

    Yes, I’m fine with that for now. But please try to keep comments civil, on topic, avoid reposting the same thing in multiple threads, etc.

  19. wolfefan

    In addition to Austin, a warm welcome to Edward Graydon. It has been a long time since I’ve seen a public representative of the CCCP advocating for a military takeover of private property. It’s always good to get a fresh perspective.

  20. wolfefan

    Telling the people who conducted a violent protest and killed people, including one of their own, that you love them is also not a condemnation or disavowal of violence. Feeding the people who conducted the violent protest a lot of lies to incite and encourage the protest, violent or otherwise, does not leave one free of moral responsibility for the results of that protest, whether you intended them or not. Telling a known violent gang with a recent history of assault and violence to stand by is not a disavowal of violent protest.

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