America’s Independent Party updates

According to its website, America’s Independent Party, formed by Alan Keyes following his Constitution Party convention loss to Chuck Baldwin, has held its national convention and nominated Alan Keyes for President. Nomination of its presumptive vice-presidential candidate, American Right to Life President Brian Rohrbough, was tabled until the courts resolve whether Keyes would remain on the American Independent Party‘s California ballot line.

Also new on the A’sIP front page are the official Keyes nomination speech, delivered by Declaration Foundation co-founder Dave Racer, and the new party’s “Constitution” (an ideological declaration) & Platform, which includes “The right to life of all innocent persons, from fertilization to natural death”, the right to keep and bear arms, “Peace through Strength,” and the repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments to the US constitution.

26 thoughts on “America’s Independent Party updates

  1. G.E.

    Yay! The repeal of the 16th amendment. Now Congress can tax wages and labor, still, but not dividends, capital gains, or rental income. It’s a start!

    Notice no call for repealing the 14th (or admitting it was never passed), which is the basis for all of the Big Government centralism cons like this pretend to oppose but actually love.

  2. Trent Hill

    Drake was a temporary placement. I have no idea if American Right to Life President Brian Rohrbough is actually gunna be the VP.

  3. Fred Church Ortiz Post author

    Since they said they were waiting to see, I wonder if it means Drake will be official if all goes well. Why hold up the nomination if that’s their intended substitute?

  4. Trent Hill

    *shrug* no idea. Like I said—there is no coherant Keyes organization. Even his own supporters have turned against him,becuase he is only on in Colorado (for sure) and possibly one or two more.

  5. Hugh Jass

    Well, if Drake is going to be on the California ballot, then he is for all practical purposes the official VP, since he will get more votes than Rohrbough.

  6. Lussenheide

    Statement From The Keyes Camp:

    Alan Keyes of Maryland and Brian Rohrbough of Colorado are expected to be nominated as the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates of the new America’s Independent Party in its inaugural National Convention tonight.

    The event, which will be held by electronic means, (ie the phone and internet) will include delegates from all parts of the country. The credentialing process will begin at 8:30 Eastern time, with the convention officially opening at 9:00 Eastern time, and continuing until business concludes.

    Chairman Tom Hoefling, commenting on the use of electronic means to conduct the event, said, “We may not have balloons, funny hats, and millions of dollars pouring into our coffers from corporate sponsors, but we have something that is much more important: regular folks…

    I think it is a far stretch to call an internet chat room a “convention”. God willing , Chuck Baldwin will be validated as candidate for the California AIP in court this coming Tuesday and put an end to this pathetic, impotent circus.

    Bill Lussenheide
    http://www.FaithFamilyFreedoms.blogspot.com

  7. Lussenheide

    From the Keyes camp:

    Alan Keyes of Maryland and Brian Rohrbough of Colorado are expected to be nominated as the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates of the new America’s Independent Party in its inaugural National Convention tonight.

    The event, which will be held by electronic means, (ie the phone and internet) will include delegates from all parts of the country. The credentialing process will begin at 8:30 Eastern time, with the convention officially opening at 9:00 Eastern time, and continuing until business concludes.

    Chairman Tom Hoefling, commenting on the use of electronic means to conduct the event, said, “We may not have balloons, funny hats, and millions of dollars pouring into our coffers from corporate sponsors, but we have something that is much more important: regular folks…

    Hopefully the court will rule in favor of the Baldwin candidacy in court this coming Tuesday for California, and put a merciful end to this pathetic and impotent campaign of Keyes.

  8. Trent Hill

    HAHAHAHHAHA. Online convention. Awesome.

    Oh–and also–the BTP had an online convention, but they’re going to be on at least 3 ballots.

  9. shank1548

    I live in a very rural part of North Carolina. I’ve been a registered Republican my entire life but I am now put off by the chosen candidate and wanted to see who else was out there that shared my views of God, family and country. I saw Alan Keyes name and knew right off that this was where I wanted to place my loyalty. Looking for more information I stumbled across these posts and can not believe that so many people have so little respect for a man who has continuously stood by his ideals. Everyone of these smaller parties wants to establish themselves to take on the “mainstream government” but are too busy quarreling. If the small parties would group together just once and make a major stand it could disrupt the whole system and force some recognition. This could entice the fence straddlers that have been looking for a better choice to join the smaller party. Enough of this and you start gaining parity. Keyes is a name that most have heard and know something about. The biggest thing I know is I have never heard any negative press against Mr. Keyes from the MSM. Chuck Baldwin ???? Never heard of him until I read through this site. He may be a big deal somewhere but if he’s not getting national attention he may as well be running for mayor of wherever he lives. What happened to the unity that Perot was able to muster to bring his campaign to the big table. Until something like that happens again all the other parties will still be relegated to the kids table. IMHO

  10. Trent Hill

    Shank,

    Keyes’ campaign has taken in $300,000 to date and appeared at only 3 locations. A campaign swing through east-texas, Iowa presidential debate, and his camaigning for the CP nomination. Doesnt add up does it?
    Keyes will be on the ballot in only 2-3 states. So–good luck with your WINNING candidate.

  11. langa

    “The biggest thing I know is I have never heard any negative press against Mr. Keyes from the MSM.”

    That should tell you everything you need to know about Mr. Keyes and his supposed opposition to the “mainstream government”.

  12. shank1548

    Funny how I never said “winning” at any point. I merely stated my view of how all of the smaller parties are too busy grasping for the tiny threads of the fabric of the “two party system” instead of uniting to shred the system entirely. Standing up for the democracy that founded this nation and principals on which it was built. A common goal people…..is that too much to ask? Sometimes you must study and mimic that which you seek in a hunt. If you want to topple the beast, become a better beast. I said “better”, not “bigger”.

  13. Trent Hill

    Shank,

    Democracy did not found this nation. Our founding fathers severely distrusted Democracy,and entrusted their liberties to a republican form of government.

    As for Keyes being a “better” beast–he is just that. The PERFECT neocon to McCain’s imperfection. Keyes is not someone you can trust, he is an underhanded and desperate man who makes money by running for office (and losing).

  14. shank1548

    Is there a rational person in here? I have not asked anyone here to vote for Keyes. That is each persons choice. I came here to learn and see how I could help make things better by looking outside of the main two parties…….only to find the same kind of rhetoric here. I keep pushing the unity issue and all I hear back is “Keyes” this and “Keyes” that. No wonder the media doesn’t give the lesser known candidates the time of day. Their constituents are constantly bickering instead of trying to make real gains in breaking up the current system. Why not try to gain support by leading people instead of ridiculing them for expressing their opinion. I’ve talked to customer service agents in India that made me feel more welcome and I can’t even stand to talk to them. Here’s the challenge…….can anyone in here tell me why their candidate is any better than any other without being slanderous or malicious?

  15. Trent Hill

    shank,

    Sure. Baldwin is better than Keyes because Baldwin can be trusted with financial concerns, and is not a neoconservative.

  16. Steven R Linnabary

    Well Mr Shank, you sound like a thoughtful, rational person.

    First, the folks in India are PAID to be nice.

    Most of us here, OTOH, have been fighting the republican/democrat oligarchy for years. Some of us have been doing it for decades.

    We each have our favored party. We work tirelessly for the party, or at least a certain candidate in the party. Then at convention time, it seems our party gets overtaken by media whores. Whores that are (or at least seem to us at the moment) more concerned with making money. Money that never seems to make it to the campaign(s).

    My candidate says he will cut government (less than I’d like), cut government spending (less than I’d like) and stop stupid wars (though not as quickly as I’d Like).

    That makes him head and shoulders above the democrat canduidate OR republican candidate.

    Keyes is a fine orator, I LOVE to hear him speak. But he does line his pockets extravagantly. At the expense of his campaign(s).

    The candidate that I’m pledged to support also has been accused of the same thing. So I’ll hold my nose support him this year.

    And hope that at the next Presidential Nominating Convention, the other delegates have the wisdom to listen to my opinion(s).

    Keep in mind also that we are all friends here. You should see the way we treat people we don’t like.

    🙂

    PEACE
    Steve

  17. shank1548

    Steve,
    You’re the first person that has replied with logic and forethought instead of telling me how they “feel” or what they “think”. I feel I could do a good job of running the country but I’m sure my wife would beg to differ. I’m looking for more facts and logic instead of how someone feels about a candidate. Everyone else here needs to learn to speak with data and leave their heart out of it. People do not trust politicians as a group but cold hard facts are harder to ignore.
    An earlier post inferred that since I hadn’t heard anything bad about Keyes he must be one of them. Is it that unbelievable that their might just be one person out their without skeletons in their closet and who isn’t “on the take”? Not saying that Keyes is that guy but to arbitrarily distrust every single person and hope for the lesser of two,( or twenty), evils seems hopeless. Anyway, Steve, I applaud you for your candor and tasteful reply. I’ll look forward to reading your posts in the future as we battle two party oppression.

  18. shank1548

    I read the article Trent and there are a couple of questionable pieces of information in it as well. One statement uses a partial quote from a former campaign worker but then makes the negative part of the statement outside of the quotes. I’m not saying that any of the information given is either true or false. Merely that I may tend to trust the media less than the politicians they write about. There is so much “spin” on everything in the news that “fair and balanced” should actually be called ” less skewed and slightly more ambiguous”. I do appreciate your adding reference data to your post this time.

  19. Trent Hill

    Shank,

    I can look up the FEC filings for you if you like. Also, just look at the lack of Keyes’ events–even though he has raised 300k (as much as Bob Barr).

  20. langa

    “An earlier post inferred that since I hadn’t heard anything bad about Keyes he must be one of them. Is it that unbelievable that their might just be one person out their without skeletons in their closet and who isn’t “on the take”?”

    I’ll tell you what’s unbelievable. First, it’s unbelievable that you talk about facts and exercising forethought before you post, but apparently a spellcheck is too much to ask from you.

    Second, it’s unbelievable that you can talk about logic, when you say first that “[t]he biggest thing I know is I have never heard any negative press against Mr. Keyes from the MSM”, and then, just a few posts later, you say that “[t]here is so much “spin” on everything in the news that “fair and balanced” should actually be called ” less skewed and slightly more ambiguous”. Apparently, your brand of logic doesn’t include intellectual consistency.

    Third, it’s unbelievable that you talk about how “[e]veryone else here needs to learn to speak with data and leave their heart out of it”, while you haven’t provided one single piece of data to show why any of us should have anything but contempt for Alan Keyes.

    Finally, it’s unbelievable that you come on here and immediately start insulting the other posters, all the while complaining about what a rude reception you’ve been given. You remind me of Mike Gravel at the LP convention, fresh off his rousing success in the Democratic primary, telling the Libertarians why they were such losers. If you want respect, maybe you should show a little first.

  21. No Extremists

    Hope Bill Lussenheide for congress ca-45 will defend his constitution party…the one that believes “slavery was good….being gay is evil…and wants to have everyone go back to biblical times. This religious…conspiracy wacks…15 minutes are up. Mary Bono mack all the way!!!

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