American Independent Party’s Grundmann assails Keyes

American Independent Party of California activist Don J. Grundmann has published an essay entitled “The Corruption of Alan Keyes: A Timeless Tale Brought to Our Times” online. The piece, which runs nearly 10,000 words, details Grundmann’s encounters with Keyes and his supporters during Keyes’s run for the 2008 Constitution Party presidential nomination. (The American Independent Party is California’s Constitution Party affiliate.)

At the end of the essay, Grundmann, who sought the Constitution Party presidential nomination in 2008 and who is a candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010, says the website will be updated with further articles on Keyes.

60 thoughts on “American Independent Party’s Grundmann assails Keyes

  1. Donald R. Lake

    Ten Thousand words, Ten Million words, Keyes was the name on the AIP ballot in California, Charles Baldwin was not.

    Until California Secretary of State Democrat Debi Bowen can be made to back track, all AIP candidates are in the hands of the Alan Keyes types on the west coast.

  2. Jake

    I’m sorry but the theory that the Republicans were out to get the CP in ’08 or even the future like they did towards the Reform Party is flat out insane! The Reform Party was a known household name while the CP might not even be known by one person in every town.

    Did anybody else find this read terrible boring and lacking any real “punch”? I am not an Alan Keyes supporter, but I felt like I’ve heard this all before in much shorter pieces.

    Also, excellent piece on Ventura.

  3. Don Grundmann

    ” Until California Secretary of State Democrat Debi Bowen can be made to back track, all AIP candidates are in the hands of the Alan Keyes types on the west coast.”

    Response – Don : I will be the U.S. Senate candidate of the AIP in 2010. I will most definately not be ” in the hands of the Alan Keyes types..” There is no way that they can stop me.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  4. JT

    Interesting essay. Not so well-written though. Many lines are convoluted, and I saw a lot of typos/grammar mistakes. If you’re going to type a long essay like that, you should have someone qualified edit it before you post it.

  5. Trent Hill

    It’s awfully written, not engaging at all, and FAR too long–but it’s all true enough (except the opinion-related social conservatism crap).

  6. Donald R. Lake

    Donald ‘I Use To Be Reasonable’ Grundmann: “Alan Keyes will be replaced by Chuck Baldwin on the California [P2008] ballot’!

    Yeah, Right, Sure, you are such a liar!

  7. Michael Skaggs

    Alan Keyes got 40 percent more votes in California than any other CP candidate for president. He would have turned 200,000 votes into 280,000 votes. Next time nominate Keyes in 2012!

  8. Donald R. Lake

    “in 2010. I [Donald Grundmann] will most definitely not be ‘ in the hands of the Alan Keyes types.[in California].’ There is no way that they can stop me ………..”

    Doctor Grundmann, since 2005, do you EVER think before you type? Do you have a clue how ridicules you sound?

    You have repeatedly been wrong in the past couple of years. Do you wish to continue this down ward spiral? You get blocked in 2010 [like Chuckie Poo did in P2008] and you will never, ever, ever hear the end of it! You are either clue less or purposely self delusional!

    The California AIP rank and file [in my P2008 experience] did not care for Ambassador Alan to begin with ………….

    This is emotional and personal and not unemotional and professional. Lots of ultra conservative Californians and basic West Coast Bible Thumpers would rather get splattered against the wind shield on election day than rack up the impressive numbers with some one they feel they have to ‘hold their nose’ with!

  9. Don Grundmann

    Don Lake – Follow President Clintons advice and don’t inhale. Your posts will then be more coherent. 1) The corrupt Noonan/Keyes faction can not stop anyone from running in the primaries no matter how much they want to. Hence I am totally accurate that I cannot be stopped and since the voters know my track record I will win the primary and procede to the general election. 2) Regarding your last sentence if the AIP has to sell its soul and get a few thousand more votes with a outright liar like Alan Keyes it is NOT worth it. We will win by fielding honest candidates who A) don’t lie, and B) fight for the citizens in all of the areas which count such as – protecting and rebuilding their jobs, protecting their health care, giving them honest money, working to stop government corruption like the IRS and the FED, protecting their families and children and countless other actions which are the opposite of not only the Big 2 parties but all of the other ” minor ” parties as well. If we field a corrupt candidate like Keyes we may ( or may not ) get more votes but what good will that be if we become as corrupt as everyone else? No thanks.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  10. Mark Seidenberg

    Warning! Don Grundmann is a member of the
    State Central Committee of the American Independent Party. However, in 2008, former
    Chairman Noonan removed Don Grundmann from the office of area director.

    Since, September 2, 2008, Don Grundmann
    has not been an officer of the AIP. He has never
    been Vice Chairman of the American Independant Party.

    Sincerely yours, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party.

  11. Donald R. Lake

    History repeats itself ?????

    Stumbling down the [so called] reform movement path to destruction and despair ??????

    A quick review of the Land of Fruits and Nuts:

    ” On the reeking pavement, in the darkness of a moonless night under the dripping rain, and surrounded by a hastily gathered crowd of wondering strangers, Norton I, by the grace of God, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico, departed this life. — San Francisco Chronicle, January 9, 1880

    Upon today’s sad date in 1880 passed Emperor Norton I.

    This noble monarch oversaw San Francisco (and the United States, and Mexico) during his gentle twenty-one-year reign, issuing such important decrees as the building of what would become known as the Bay Bridge and subjecting to fine those using the abhorrent word “Frisco.”

    If you wish, citizen; you may pay your respects to the Emperor at Woodland Park in Colma.

    Rest well, Joshua……… “

  12. Donald R. Lake

    Well geez Doctor Grundman I have never smoked any device in my entire life.

    Gee whiz, YOU are the known deceiver, along with Qurikie Cody Quirk, not I! It is well documented, with or with references to former play boy federal chief executives from the kissin’ cousin lands of the Heart Land, that you say one thing, repeat it differently, and then tend to a third version.

    All I asked of you, after SUCCESSFULLY lobbying for your formal endorsement in 2004, is to not forget abused military veterans, to tell the truth, and be more than just an anti gay and an anti abortion zealot.

    The misinformation and untruths [on Ballot Access, TPW, and IPR, alone] are well documented —- your loud arrogant screw up of Chuck Baldwin’s non selection for the California ballot in P2008 stand as the ‘jewel in the crown’!

    Sadly, since 2005 you have lost your ethical compass.

  13. Donald R. Lake

    “For immediate release:

    Media contact: Markham Robinson, Parliamentarian
    mark @ masterplanner.com
    6/28/2008

    California’s American Independent Party, which has a forty-year history in the Golden State, today announced its affiliation nationally with the newly-formed America’s Independent Party of Fenton, MI. The Party had previously affiliated on a national basis with the Constitution Party of Lancaster, PA.

    The State Central Committee of the American Independent Party voted unanimously in their Friday meeting to make the switch, after which the new 2008 national affiliation was duly filed with the Secretary of State’s office in accordance with the requirements of California’s Election Code.

    State Chairman Edward C. Noonan, on hand in Sacramento for the official filing, stated, “We believe it is time to affiliate with a new party, one that has a will to win. In sixteen years, the Constitution Party has never elected a candidate. America’s Independent Party may be the best chance we have of stopping the never-ending advance of socialism.”

    Friday’s move makes the newly-minted America’s Independent Party the third largest national political party in the United States based on voter registration.”

    —- We’re number three!

    —- We’re number three!

    —- We’re number three!

    —- No, no, I am Spartacus!

    —- No, no, I am Spartacus!

    —- No, no, I am Spartacus!

  14. Don Grundmann

    The personal corruption of Mark Seidenberg is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  15. Don Grundmann

    ” “For immediate release:

    Media contact: Markham Robinson, Parliamentarian
    mark @ masterplanner.com
    6/28/2008

    California’s American Independent Party, which has a forty-year history in the Golden State, today announced its affiliation nationally with the newly-formed America’s Independent Party of Fenton, MI. The Party had previously affiliated on a national basis with the Constitution Party of Lancaster, PA.”

    Response – The personal corruption of Mark Robinson and the reason why the American Independent Party is still affilated with the Constitution Party is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  16. Don Grundmann

    ” All I asked of you, after SUCCESSFULLY lobbying for your formal endorsement in 2004, is to not forget abused military veterans, to tell the truth, and be more than just an anti gay and an anti abortion zealot.”

    Response – 1) I have never forgotten the veterans and stand up for them whenever and wherever I can. As just one example I support, even though it is so late, recognition of the veterans who were deliberately left behind by our government as prisoners of war. 2) If you go to my website you will find that I cover many more issues than pro-life and stopping homosexual perversion. 3) I am proud to be a ” zealot ” in defense of life and humanity. 4) There is no such thing as ” gay.” The term stands for Going After Youth but the pervert community will never admit nor tell you that. ” Gay ” is a invented term for marketing the homosexual movement. 5) ” Anti-abortion ” is a term used by those who are pro-death/abortion in a attempt to defend their anti-life religious belief. Since I am pro-life I am automatically anti-death. This is in contrast to my death supporting opponents. 6) I always tell the truth. You simply don’t want to hear it.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  17. Donald R. Lake

    So Doctor Grundmann how did Chuck Baldwin do on the California ballot, as you repeatedly so boastfully predicted, promised in P2008?

    Do you enjoy embarrassing your self? Any of those fetuses get Social Security numbers or names or voting registrations ?????

    Ya find any of those roving, recruiting bands of homosexuals? Are they now licensed by the socialist, semi Communist state ????? Do they get discounts on toll roads or restaurants ?????
    Do they hold conventions or caravans ??????

    Ah Massachusetts, a black professor get arrested and then charges dropped and it ends up in the Rose Garden of the White House! Yet you want some what reasonable folk to believe that the streets did not run with blood following the suspected and suspicious public school reports of fisting instruction[s]?

    You are just not nearly the person you were in 2004 and 2005. Such a pity!

  18. Donald R. Lake

    Doctor Grundmann REPEATEDLY has lied, including the insanity of Chuck Baldwin being on the California P2008 ballot. [Not!] His [Grundmann’s] bumping off of the 2010 will be a major spot light on his lack of fidelity and honesty!

  19. Donald R. Lake

    Gay is a century old term contrasting ‘trapped’ hetero sexual married partners with more flexible homo sexual ‘players’! No one I have ever heard of has mentioned ‘Going After Youth’! [Is that male homo sexuals only, or —— as you make it up as you go, stumble along —— does it include Lesbians ??????]

    You have done NOTHING for veterans for years. Your state has the worst veterans care campus IN THE WORLD. Barstow has racked up tons of fines, various suspicious deaths and health problems, and in the early years of the decade, denied federal funds, for the second time only in national history for lack of proper care.

    You hint that you are a fiscal conservative! Yet you do not speak out on the Schwartz En Faker administration trying to restore the failed ‘sniff’ [Skilled Nursing Facility] at Barstow [just down the street from Nightingale and Jim King]. This is the only SNF of the two national care campuses and over 200 state veterans home to be permanently closed down!

    And Der Arnold wants to re-establish it during the worst state financial crisis ever! Not one word from you, and nothing on Wade ‘Kiddie Porn King’ Sanders! You are such a hypocritical liar!

    Pro Life ????? So you, as a non hypocritical non liar, are anti death penalty ???? You sad sack of shit! Some where is the dumbest Chiropractor on the planet! Have we found them?

    You were so reasonable four years ago!

  20. Don Grundmann

    ” So Doctor Grundmann how did Chuck Baldwin do on the California ballot, as you repeatedly so boastfully predicted, promised in P2008?

    Do you enjoy embarrassing your self? Any of those fetuses get Social Security numbers or names or voting registrations ?????”

    Response – 1) We fought the corruption of Alan Keyes to get Chuck Baldwin on the ballot and were not successful. Call it a lie if you want. I can then claim that anytime you wanted to help veterans and did not succeed that you were ” lying.” So since you have obviously not solved the problems of inferior care for veterans then according to your own standards you are a ” liar.” I am not foolish enough to make such a claim but, as you demonstrate, the reverse is not true. 2) I am never embarrassed as I have done nothing to be embarrassed about. I defend the unborn; those who you derisively and contemptuously refer to as ” fetuses ” despite that fact that you were once one of them. When they are not slaughtered, as you apparently endorse, they grow from unborn human being to born human being to adult human being. They even become veterans. When you have contempt for the smallest and most defenseless you hurt the defense of all humanity, including veterans. The same moral philosophy which treats the unborn as less than human is the same moral philosophy which will turn on you as a veteran and say that your health care costs too much for the benefit provided. That you are not worth it. So remember that when you betray the unborn that same idea will come back and hunt you down.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  21. Donald R. Lake

    Exactly, there is a history of homosexual culture. There is also a history of christian churches, and it is way different, much different, than what was and is taught in sunday school! [And well documented to boot!]

    Grundmann was MUCH MORE reasonable half a decade ago! Once again he has [hypocritically] dodged the anti death penalty question. Doctor ‘I only blog or write ’bout anti gay or anti abortion issues’ Grundmann is sure quiet on some things!

    And the lack of logic? This guy has a terminal degree? From where? May be it can be revoked? Again, so much more than 2004 and 2005, what a consummate liar!

  22. Donald R. Lake

    ” as late as 1970, the first episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show has the demonstrably straight Mary Richards’ downstairs neighbor, Phyllis, breezily declaiming that Mary is, at age 30, still “young and gay.”

    There is little doubt that the homosexual sense is a development of the word’s traditional meaning, as described above. It has nevertheless been claimed that “gay” stands for “Good As You”, but there is no evidence for this: it is a folk etymology backronym. ”

    Most of my circle [active duty military, rocket scientists, SAC trained killers, home owners starting families, some Engineers, some Nuclear Engineers] assumed that the ‘Good As …..’ phrase was a made up history by a pro homo sexual zealot, like Doctor Donald Grundmann on the other side of the barricades! [Like Cody Quirk, just making it up and ya go along ……]

    I was also told at this time, orally, that the homo sexual content went all the way back [verbally] to the 1890s. Going For Youth ????? ……..give me a break.

    SOME ONE is disparately lying! Some one whom claims never to lie and is associated with a two state thug [Quirk] whose deceit is documented, including stolen blogs, all over the place, is lying his typing fingers off!

  23. Donald R. Lake

    From Don Grundmann // Aug 15, 2009

    ” So Doctor Grundmann how did Chuck Baldwin do on the California ballot, as you repeatedly so boastfully predicted, promised in P2008?
    We fought the corruption of Alan Keyes to get Chuck Baldwin on the ballot and were not successful. Call it a lie if you want. ”

    —— Huh! YOU are the one repeatedly, braggingly, boastfully yelling that Keyes was raw meat on the California ballot and that it was a sure thing, money in the bank, the God’s own truth that Baldwain would be on the rolls.

    —— THAT is the lie and YOU are the liar. And plenty of folks whom had your best face saving interests at heart ‘told you so’.

    —— YOU are a documented liar and it just is not any other way!

  24. Donald R. Lake

    Backronym
    [From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]

    * 1 Backronym versus acronym

    A backronym or bacronym[1] is a reverse acronym: a phrase constructed after the fact to make an existing word or words into an acronym.

    The word is understood as a portmanteau combining back and acronym.

    An acronym is a pronounceable word derived from the initial letters of a phrase:[2] For example, the word radar comes from “Radio Detection and Ranging”.[3]

    By contrast, a backronym is constructed by taking an existing word already in common usage, and creating [Lake: Inventing after the fact] a new phrase using the letters in the word as the initial letters of the words in the phrase [such as bible – blessed instructions before leaving earth]. The word then [Lake: again, after the fact!] becomes an acronym of the phrase.

    [Lake: aka a ‘Doctor Grundmann’ ????]

    Backronyms proliferate as a kind of folklore, communicating humorous derogation:
    * DELTA – Doesn’t Ever Leave The Airport.
    * FORD – Fix Or Repair Daily, Found On Road Dead, [Lake: First On Race Day]
    * IACOCCA – I Am Chairman Of Chrysler Corporation America – referring to American businessman Lee Iacocca. 8

  25. Donald R. Lake

    I have lived it. I was a big time Grundmann supporter in 2004 and have personally seen the guy unravel!

    I believe that the Dems and the GOP, whom I have disdained since the 1960s, are the ones who have run the cultural vehicle of the nation of my birth into the global ditch.

    Doctor Grundmann aside, I have a rich and long spiritual side, and it is none of your business! I have gone from Fundamentalist Protestant childhood to discovering inconsistency after inconsistency [read: lies!] in ‘the message’. Even with out the false hoods of pretty much all religions, I am soooooooo against religion in secular public life.

    There is a reason, a really good reason, that there is no national church! And lots of activists are chipping away at that noble sentiment. With a priori deceit they mention half truths, misinformation or out right lies to promote their slice of the cultural pie. No one lies like a self righteous, god chosen, bringer of the ‘truth’!

    I do not speak up on things I have no interest in or am just plain ignorant about. How ever, if I have a ‘dog in the fight’ or multi documented data or personal knowledge, I will rail against the forces of dishonesty.

    [Federal auto mobile mileage figures any one —- guaranteed, 100%, to be wrong! Christ born in the Roman Year Zero? Yeah, Right, Sure!]

    As out right evil as the Establishment Duopoly is, the Loyal Opposition is nearly as bad. Take the reform movement —– please!

    Details:

    donlake@ymail.com

    619.420.0209

  26. Cody Quirk

    I have to agree with Trent a little.

    Don (Grundmann), you ought to do a spell check on the whole article and redo the grammer on some parts, and maybe shorten a few sentences. Otherwise the way you have it written currently could backfire on you, if you’re trying to get others to see what Alan Keyes & company is all about.

  27. Cody Quirk

    To the other Don.

    Alan Keyes was a f**king joke and couldn’t even get on the ballot in 5 states or even get more votes then Baldwin in Colorado and Florida!

    And Baldwin still got several thousand write-in votes in California, which is pretty damn good.

    I still remember your BS and rants you sputtered on Third Party Watch. I may throw out insults and bash people from time to time, but at least I back my rhetoric up with facts and common sense, while you’re off the wall and bleating irrational garbage. No wonder why the RfP failed as a party; people like you ran it.

  28. mdh

    @24 – Don, would you go so far as to call sperm and/or eggs “unborn humans”, as well, or do you reserve that title for fetuses alone? What about fetuses that are not viable and will never become “born humans”?

    Where exactly do you draw the line?

  29. Don Grundmann

    Cody : Thank you for your comments. Yes, I did blow it on the proofreading. I could have shortened the account of the corruption of Keyes but I felt that the background information was extremely important to gain a understanding of the corruption which he has performed. His actions and those of his lieutenants could be ” garden variety ” in any other party but not in ours. Hence his surface image must be contrasted with his actual actions. People will take it as they will. If they are concerned about corruption then they will act accordingly. Others will go ho-hum because corruption of any manner or such as Keyes performs, and is, is of no consequence to them. Relevant to that you will notice that Don Lake has only begun ranting and calling me a liar since I began to challenge the attack of the homosexual movement on children, especially in the schools. The homosexual movement is attacking children on many fronts such as http://www.nambla.org. This is a organization of professional child molestors. They have chapters in major cities throughout the nation. They publish their own magazine; by molestors and for molestors. They have done so for 20+ years since I first tracked down their magazine years ago. They are very politically connected and very politically powerful. I have filmed them many times marching in the S.F. ” Pride Parade ” where the homosexual community exhibits the heights of its culture. They are only found in the homosexual community. There is no equivalent in any other community, i.e; there is no Eskimo, Italian, Nigerian, New Zealand, Russian, etc. NAMBLA organization. It is found ONLY in the homosexual community. It is a vision of the future of our nation that in former times the citizens would act to defend children from the influence of homosexuality as they rightfully recognized the harm which such influence could bring to their children in so many ways. In our time we will find virtually endless people springing to the defense of homosexuality as a whole and the actions of singular homosexuals no matter how outrageous their actions. It is a measure of how Social Engineering by the Plantation Masters of the nation has succeeded in warping the citizens to its anti-Christian, anti-family, and anti-humanity view of life. Of course that Social Engineering involves feminizing the men of the nation and turning them into males ( inferior men ) who will jump through whatever hoops needed ( such as by endorsing homosexuality ) in order to fulfill the orders and desires of the PM’s. In contrast men will have no part in endorsing the destruction of the family and the attack upon children, our nation, and humanity as whole. They will be immune to either the sirens song of the PM’s or their threats.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  30. Don Grundmann

    ” @24 – Don, would you go so far as to call sperm and/or eggs “unborn humans”, as well, or do you reserve that title for fetuses alone? What about fetuses that are not viable and will never become “born humans”?

    Where exactly do you draw the line?”

    Response – mdh : Biologically the union of sperm and egg produces a new and totally unique human being. Hence ” unborn humans ” begin their development at conception. Children who are ” not viable ” will occur by the failure of natural biological processes which do not process to completion. This is a natural process which can occur for many reasons. Best to you,

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  31. Donald R. Lake

    You and Don Grundmann both PROMISED that Chuck Baldwin would be on the California ballot.

    You both LIED. You file posts [especially with the failed TPW] with out references, you would not know a fact if it bit you on the ass, you are a consummate liar, and you have shown both California and Nevada that you have yet to be acquainted [much less mastered] common sense!

    Alan Keyes may a national joke, but in Texas, California, and else where Mister Baldwin was the butt of the action.

    You continue to promote the site that you help to kill. You direct folks to the TPW with out telling them about the virus warning.

    TPW was a flawed [thank you Mister Steve Gordon and the train wreck of a Bob Barr campaing] but potentially wonderful site not for anti LDS but for a full spectrum on anti Dem and anti GOP activists. There was an entire Greek Chorus of ‘Damn that Cody Quirk’ during the last two years of TPW. You did not kill it alone, with you non bi-lined fakey dakey ‘reports’.

    And the anti Deform Party tirades? No one complains more about the short comings of the [so called] reformers than I! [And if I ‘ran’ any section of the party then the monthly print house organ would not have been shot out from under me and the [Alan Keyes /Ed Noonan cabal like] John Blare and other ‘Israel First’ anti American Zionists would not be where they are, including in Democrat California Secretary of State Debi Bowen’s oh so accommodating hands!

    Cody Quirk “backs his rhetoric with facts and common sense’ AND Doctor Donald Grundmann is not a liar! Yeah, Right, Sure!

  32. Don Grundmann

    ” Also, for the record, the AIP website seems to suggest that Seldenburg, not Grundman, is the vice-chair. ”

    Response – mdh : The website of the corrupt faction of the AIP as represented by Seidenberg, and as explained at the TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com website, is AIPCA.ORG. The website of the REAL AIP, the honest faction represented by Jim King as Chairman and myself as Vice-Chairman, can be found at CALIFAIP.BLOGSPOT.COM. Best to you,

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  33. mdh

    Don, my web findings were based on google search results for “American Independent Party California”.

    Have you considered simply changing your organization’s name to “Constitution Party of California” or somesuch to avoid any confusion with the others? The Constitution Party is much better known (and hence probably a more valuable ballot line) than the old AIP name anyways, especially if the other guys own the AIP ballot line according to your state election officials.

  34. Donald R. Lake

    Doctor Donald Grundmann and Loose Cannon Cody Quirk: “No, no, no, I am Spartacus!”

    Everyone else, Doctor Grundmann and Mister Lake are real people with real identities. Isn’t the assault against the Establishment Duopoly important enuf to allow your lazy assed fingers to give ‘Don’ an additional, full name?

  35. Donald R. Lake

    Besides the red hot emotional rift, the basic problem [shared by the California Peace and Freedom Party and the so called reform movement] is that both Dem and GOP lackies in ‘Election Central’ via the California Secretary of State are not interesting in fair ness or in the details of partisan claims and counter claims.

    The PFP was illegally kicked off of the ballot a couple of years ago, only be rescued by an ad hoc informal grassroots alliance [tsumni!] of alternative types [and a few, a very few, PFPers]!

    Be it Dem or GOP, California election chiefs do not last long in the 21st Century. And they sure do not care ’bout political fair ness in or out of the Duopoly!

  36. Don Grundmann

    mdh – We could change our party name to the Constitution Party but such a task involves a great deal of money. We are currently working to overturn the corruption of Keyes and his lieutenants in order to properly regain our stolen ballot access.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  37. Donald R. Lake

    mdh: let’s face it [like the Israel First un American un Patriotic Zionist thug John Blare with the Reform Party of California] the main stream AIP has been bamboozled into a corner.

    Dem or GOP Secretary of State, California main line partisans face a long, lonely, expensive road to recovery [court or new party] which carries [attention Doctor Donald Grundmann!] no guarantee of ultimate success or even 2010 ballot access ……

  38. libertariangirl

    right , if they change their name to CP then they lose the bamboozle , trickery factor of all the stupid registrants who think they are registering Independent.

  39. Don Grundmann

    ” right , if they change their name to CP then they lose the bamboozle , trickery factor of all the stupid registrants who think they are registering Independent.”

    Response – Understandable comment since you’re just jealous because our party is bigger than yours.

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  40. libertariangirl

    HAHAHAHA!!
    even if that were true , which its not, why do Libertarians consistantly whoop your ass in elections?

  41. Michael Seebeck

    (munching more popcorn from the sidelines and remembering why he won’t join the CP, chuckling to himself and noting that if the LP thinks it has problems, it’s not alone and not even half as bad as these guys!)

  42. Donald R. Lake

    Every one, I have tried to work with this guy before, he has evolved into such an out and out liar.

    With out California, Texas, and other disaffiliated states the Constitution Party [which has sooooo little to do with the constitution ………] is no where near number three numbers wise.

    No, no, no, I am Spartacus!

    Any one seen those caravans of pink Mustangs of predatory homo sexual recruiters ??????

  43. Cody Quirk

    There was an entire Greek Chorus of ‘Damn that Cody Quirk’ during the last two years of TPW.

    = Coming from the anti-Mormons that failed to kick out the IAP, and other bigoted a**holes. I could really give a damn.

    You and Don Grundmann both PROMISED that Chuck Baldwin would be on the California ballot.

    You both LIED.

    =No, and there were a LOT of others that thought Baldwin would be on the ballot.
    Yet why does CA matter? He still got more votes then Alan Keyes nationally, and more votes then Peroutka did nationally in 2004. It’s actually amazing that we got more votes last year then back in 04′ or even 1996.

    You lose.

    You file posts [especially with the failed TPW] with out references, you would not know a fact if it bit you on the ass, you are a consummate liar, and you have shown both California and Nevada that you have yet to be acquainted [much less mastered] common sense!

    = Ahhhhhh, whats the matter? Did I knock off your tinfoil hat?

    YOU are the one that needs to get a clue, and check your grammer in your posts.

    BTW, I had no idea about the virus on TPW until later; ever since Cory shut it down, I rarely ever visited it back then.

  44. Cody Quirk

    HAHAHAHA!!
    even if that were true , which its not, why do Libertarians consistantly whoop your ass in elections?

    = Not true in Nevada, I don’t see any LP office holders, but I see two IAP’ers currently serving.

  45. Donald R. Lake

    I do not care whom also swore up and down that Baldwin would be on the P2008 California ballot. I care that you and [a once more reasonable, much more reasonable] Doctor Donald Grundmann gave, not as an opinion, BUT AS FACT, Baldwin’s no show!

    You lied! And,like your inappropriate TWP postings and promotions, the entire ether net caught you. You lied and did not get away with it, after years and years of TWP, BAN, and IPR suspicious behavior!

    I lose ????? I caught you ONCE AGAIN in an out and out falsehood and MY GUY was on the California ballot.

    Again, you, Cody Quirk, are an out and out liar! [So much for honesty amoung Bible Thumpers!]

  46. Donald R. Lake

    That California Greek Chorus was lead by that anti Chuck Baldwin leader of [AIP] men and follower of Ambassador Alan Keyes, Ed ‘Stormin Mormon’ Noonan! You are such a lying nimrod!

  47. Cody Quirk

    I care that you and [a once more reasonable, much more reasonable] Doctor Donald Grundmann gave, not as an opinion, BUT AS FACT, Baldwin’s no show!

    = So my prediction didn’t come true, oh boo-who! I’m not a prophet.

    You lied! And,like your inappropriate TWP postings and promotions,

    = That were better written then your ramblings and utter BS.

    the entire ether net caught you. You lied and did not get away with it, after years and years of TWP, BAN, and IPR suspicious behavior!

    = ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

    I lose ????? I caught you ONCE AGAIN in an out and out falsehood and MY GUY was on the California ballot.

    = If you’re talking about ‘your guy ‘being Alan Keyes, then look at the fact that he was on the ballot in ONLY 3 states, and in the other two states where here was on, BALDWIN GOT MORE VOTES THEN HIM!
    If Baldwin was on the ballot in Cali. alongside Keyes, Baldwin would’ve gotten more votes. Keyes didn’t even get into the six digit range when it came to national votes, so that only shows how ‘your guy’ was a pathetic loser and pseudo constitutionalist, unlike Baldwin.

    Again, you, Cody Quirk, are an out and out liar!

    = And you are a out and out moron!

    [So much for honesty amoung Bible Thumpers!]

    = I’m not a Bible Thumper, neither am I a protestant.

    That California Greek Chorus was lead by that anti Chuck Baldwin leader of [AIP] men and follower of Ambassador Alan Keyes, Ed ‘Stormin Mormon’ Noonan! You are such a lying nimrod!

    = Again your nonsense is making no sense, are we off our meds again?

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