Chuck Baldwin: More On Internment Camps

By Chuck Baldwin

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a column questioning why it was necessary for
our federal government to be constructing internment camps all over America.
See the original column at

I felt it was time for someone such as me to publicly broach the subject.
Needless to say, the response was overwhelming. Even more interesting is the
fact that the web link to the National Guard Military Occupational Specialty
(MOS) of “Internment/Resettlement Specialist” that I included in my column
was removed shortly after the column was published. Was this a coincidence?

Of course, the U.S. Army still has their web site soliciting recruitment for
“Internment/Resettlement Specialist” online. See it at

Readers might also want to familiarize themselves with this story out of
Fort Leavenworth:

Predictably, I heard from a sizeable number of readers who expressed concern
about my “credibility.” Some were more direct: descriptions such as
“conspiracy nut,” “lunatic,” “fringe,” etc., popped up quite often. Several
readers dismissed the entire proposition on the basis that, apparently, the
link I provided to a photo of one such camp that was reported in the Idaho
Observer as a FEMA camp was actually constructed in another country. Which,
if true, changes nothing, of course. Others pointed to a very shallow
“exposé” published in Popular Mechanics that attempted (lamely) to debunk
the whole notion of internment camps. (This was the same source Glenn Beck
used to dismiss the idea.) See the report at

Criticism and name-calling aside, after reading the responses from hundreds
of readers (and examining the evidence they submitted), I am more convinced
than ever that our federal government is, indeed, constructing large numbers
of internment camps. And as one might expect, I heard from a large number of
military and law enforcement personnel, which made the evidence even more

One statement from a retired Air Force colonel (who is still active in
military associations and stays well-informed on military issues) was
especially telling. He said, “The Indiana plant is an AMTRAK repair
area–there are probably similar reasons for other facilities. [Which is, no
doubt, true.] I was a primary member of ‘Continuity of Operations’ planning
in my second tour in the Pentagon in the 1960s–such planning has continued
apace! This country was–and to a large extent still is–totally unprepared
for the after effects of nuclear exchange. The millions of casualties of
humans and animals–notwithstanding the almost total loss of communications
and government infrastructure like police, fire, emergency response, etc.
provide assistance for food, shelter, medical, etc. FEMA was designed to do
this work to fill the terrible losses in continuity of operations, which
would keep this country viable. Katrina is a tiny example of how an
emergency can destroy an entire geographical area–and Katrina is just a
minor example of where we would be as a result of a nuclear exchange. As
with all things military you plan for the worst and hope for the best.

“We remain vulnerable to massive catastrophes in this country–natural or
man-caused. We need to be prepared and FEMA with all its faults–BACKED BY
THE MILITARY–is charged with this job.” (Emphasis added.)

(To learn more about “Continuity of Operations,” to which the good colonel
referred, start with these web sites: )

Notice that the retired colonel did not challenge the existence of
internment camps, but rather linked them, and military-backed FEMA, with
martial law–and he saw nothing wrong with that. (Please note: the colonel
brought up martial law; I did not. Plus, the colonel was not adversarial
with me, but on the contrary, expressed familiarity and favor toward me.)
Several military men who wrote me shared the colonel’s sentiment. Some of
them expressed concern about the impact these plans will have on freedom and
constitutional government, while others seemed completely unconcerned
regarding any potential encroachment that plans of military action against
American citizens might have upon the Bill of Rights. What is enlightening,
however, is the fact that, regardless of the personal position taken, none
of the military personnel who wrote me discounted the existence of
internment camps.

Since the colonel brought up martial law, U.S. Congressman Paul Broun (R-GA)
recently indicated that he believed the U.S. government was intending to do
just that. See his comments at

And last year, the San Francisco Chronicle published a major story regarding
the potential for the federal government to suspend the Constitution and
institute martial law. See the story at

In addition, is it a coincidence that a bill was recently introduced in the
U.S. House of Representatives (H.R. 645) called the National Emergency
Centers Establishment Act, which directs the Secretary of Homeland Security
to establish “not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military
installations”? See the report at

Is all of this information simply to be discarded as hysteria?

On the other hand, several readers chided me for being “late” to discuss the
subject. And to be sure, some of these folks have done quite a bit of
personal research and have amassed a large amount of data on the subject.

For example, readers supplied me with a plethora of material to substantiate
the existence of large numbers of internment camps throughout the United
States. I invite readers to peruse some of the information provided below
and draw their own conclusions: (This site requires JavaScript to be

Of course, the above is merely a sample of the scores of resources that were
forwarded to me by readers. I encourage people to do their own research.

Even Mr. Skeptoid himself, Brian Dunning, grudgingly acknowledges the
probability of the existence of internment camps on U.S. soil. As with the
retired Air Force colonel referred to above, Dunning senses nothing sinister
about the existence of the camps, and he doesn’t address the numbers part of
the story, but he does admit the plausibility of their existence.

Dunning wrote, “When I first heard the FEMA Prison Camp conspiracy story, it
seemed ridiculous and paranoid at face value. But when I finally dug in to
research it, I started by searching for the origins of the rumors, and found
to my surprise that nearly all of the legal foundation and precedent for
such a plan does in fact exist.”

(See Dunning’s blog at )

As I was mulling over all this information, I remembered reading an
interview that radio talk show host Geoff Metcalf had with author Ted Flynn
regarding Flynn’s (then) new book, “Hope of the Wicked: The Master Plan to
Rule the World.” According to Metcalf, “Flynn’s book provides a strong
historical basis to show that there is a global elite working to end the
sovereignty of nations and to place every person on earth under the
authority of the United Nations.” This interview was conducted back in 2001,
by the way.

In the interview, Metcalf asked Flynn, “Please explain what FEMA is. What is
their authority and what is their job?”

Flynn replied, “The Federal Emergency Management Agency is probably going to
be the enforcement arm of the New-World Order. Very few people could tell
you that it is actually a cabinet position. By and large, a great percentage
of their budget is ‘black ops.’ It’s really not on the books. You only hear
of them a little bit when there are disasters. But there is a great agenda
to gather information for the government in stealth.”

Metcalf then said, “I found it significant when Rep. Henry Gonzalez,
D-Texas, clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention
camps. In an interview a few years ago, he said, ‘the truth is yes–you do
have these standby provisions, and the plans are here . . . whereby you
could, in the name of stopping terrorism . . . evoke the military and arrest
Americans and put them in detention camps.’ They DO exist.”

Flynn replied, “They do.”

(See the interview at )

Again, that our federal government has built large numbers of internment
camps seems undeniable. What has not been determined is the purpose for
which these facilities have been constructed. No one wants to believe that
our government is planning evil designs upon us. Then again, neither did
German Jews want to believe that their government was up to no good.

America’s founders believed that a central government could not be trusted,
which is why they tried to fence it in with the U.S. Constitution and Bill
of Rights. Neither should citizens today trust the federal government. As
President George Washington put it, “Government is not reason; it is not
eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful

Therefore, keep a wary eye out for anything that the federal government
could use to encroach upon our liberties and freedoms–even reports of
internment camps. If the reports are bogus, you’ve lost nothing; but if they
are real, you could end up losing your liberty.

9 thoughts on “Chuck Baldwin: More On Internment Camps

  1. Keith R Deschler

    Scary stuff, and Chuck oughtta know…he’s been a target of the MIAC investigations (along with Bob Barr and Ron Paul). Hope the LP website goes into this further, especially as it relates to libertarians. B.O. and his legions are “democrats” in name only, and the civil liberties left in the Donkey party needs to point this out.

  2. jen

    Some people are saying Obama is going to use Swine Flu as an excuse for internment. If a person doesn’t take the mandatory vaccine, then , bye bye, see you at the internment/ resettlement camp.

  3. jen

    LOL Yeah. And why is ACCORN taking the census? So that they can round up our kiddos and put them in to youth re education camps. I am only kidding… Or am I?

  4. El Grande Chupacabra

    They won’t get me into the camps, I got my tinfoil hat and full tinfoil body armor!

  5. paulie Post author

    “First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.” is just one of many variations of a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. –wikipedia

    After his former cell mate, Leo Stein was released from Sachsenhausen to go to America, he wrote an article about Niemöller for The National Jewish Monthly. Stein reports that having asked Niemöller why he ever supported the Nazi Party, Niemöller replied:

    “I find myself wondering about that too. I wonder about it as much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: ‘There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany.'” –wikipedia

  6. Gray Lance

    Regarding ACORN taking census…. they are not taking the census…. the are partnered with the US Census to get information out to various groups that the census is being taken and to encourage people to participate…. right/wrong/indifferent….
    ACORN isn’t doing the counting….

    ACORN and the Census

    June 26, 2009
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    Q: Is ACORN providing workers for the 2010 census?

    A: No. ACORN employees will not be taking the census. The group is one of more than 30,000 “partners” that will help publicize the event.


    Did the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) sign on as a “national partner” with the U.S. Census Bureau to sign up over 1 million temporary workers to help with the 2010 census?


    ACORN has indeed signed on to partner with the Census Bureau in connection with the 2010 census, along with about 30,000 other groups at the time of this writing. Others under “A” include, for example, the American Statistical Association, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center, Avon Products Inc. and 57 additional organizations and corporations. The Census Bureau’s Web site includes an open invitation to sign on, and the agency says it expects to have more than 100,000 partners by the time the process is over. That may even be an underestimate: In 2000, it signed up 140,000 partners.

    We’ve received questions about ACORN’s activities in connection with the headcount ever since a Fox News story, headlined “ACORN to play role in 2010 census,” appeared in March. As retold by and filtered through blogs and chain e-mails, the news left some people with the impression that ACORN, the liberal community organizing group whose voter registration activities became an issue in last year’s presidential campaign, would be a big player in running the census effort.

    ACORN “will be in charge of going door-to-door and collecting data from the American public,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann in mid-June. “This is very concerning.” Saying she was worried about ACORN’s supposed involvement in gathering census data, the Minnesota Republican announced that she won’t participate in the census beyond answering how many individuals reside in her household, “because,” she maintained, “the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that.” Actually, the Constitution, under Article 1, Section 2, simply requires that an “enumeration” be done every 10 years to apportion the members of the House, but that it be done “in such manner” as Congress “shall by law direct.” And Congress has seen fit to require everyone to answer truthfully whatever census questions they are asked, under threat of a $100 penalty for failure to answer and $500 for lying.

    And Bachmann is flat wrong about ACORN going door-to-door and gathering data. Being “partners” with the Census Bureau doesn’t entail as close a relationship as one might think. For the most part it involves getting the word out that it’s important for everyone to participate in the decennial event that helps determine where federal money goes and how House of Representatives district boundaries are redrawn.

    Each partner group is asked to complete a form listing a series of possible activities with which it would be willing to help. ACORN’s form is on page 48 of a package of documents that was turned over to the watchdog group Judicial Watch by the Census Bureau under the Freedom of Information Act. ACORN checked off, among other items, “identify job candidates and/or distribute and display recruiting materials” and “provide space to train new [census] employees.” But government officials have made it clear that that’s a far cry from having ACORN hire workers and conduct the census. At a hearing on April 23 before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke responded to concerns about ACORN’s role voiced by a Republican senator:

    Locke, April 23, 2009: [T]he Census will not be hiring anyone from ACORN. We use these so-called partners to get the word out and to spread the word about the need for people to respond and answer the questionnaires. …We control the hiring. We do not use any government funds to subcontract with any organization to do any activity. …We are not delegating anything to ACORN.

    The Census Bureau documents given to Judicial Watch also indicate that in March, after the Fox News story on ACORN’s Census partnership was published, the agency was swamped with angry calls. This was its response:

    Census Bureau statement, March 2009: Any charge of claim that a Census Bureau partner could influence or have direct input into census operations is baseless and inaccurate. The sole entity that will conduct the 2010 census is the U.S. Census Bureau, along with its hundreds of thousands of dedicated workers. Further, the Census Bureau has strict quality assurance procedures in every operation to prevent the introduction of errors and/or fraudulent information into the national count.

    Census Bureau public affairs specialist Shelly Lowe elaborated on the hiring process in an interview with, saying that “partners help us recruit by promoting the fact that we’re hiring,” but they have no say in the actual hiring. The agency will need a whopping 1.2 million temporary workers to go door-to-door, Lowe said, but it isn’t hiring everyone who walks in. “There’s a test, an FBI background check and a fingerprint check” that every applicant must go through, Lowe said. “We look for language skills, and we need people in every community.”

    And just as not every job applicant is hired, not every group that wants to be a partner is accepted. On page 47 of the Judicial Watch materials, an internal agency e-mail sets out some of the types of groups that would be rejected, such as hate groups and law enforcement, anti-immigrant or other groups that might cause some people to be afraid to participate.

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