Chuck Baldwin Comments on the 9/11 Anniversary

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EGAD! The anniversary of 9/11 passed and I failed to post my thoughts. So, here they are:

*The official story of 9/11 is as realistic as the story of The Three Little Pigs. In fact, I could sooner believe that a wolf could blow down a couple of houses built out of sticks and straw made by pigs than those two planes could bring down the Twin Towers and Building 7 built out of steel made by some of the greatest architects and engineers in the entire world.

*Speaking of Building 7, no government report has even begun to sufficiently explain why Building 7 came down. In fact, almost NO government spokesman has even tried. Give me a satisfactory answer as to what caused Building 7 to collapse and I just MIGHT begin to listen more intently to the official government story regarding the Twin Towers.

*There seems absolutely NO DOUBT that the U.S. government and national news media are deliberately covering up the truth as to what really happened on 9/11/01.

*Whatever the truth is behind the events of 9/11, the result has been catastrophic for liberty. Consider:

1) The events of 9/11 have been used as justification for America conducting wars of aggression (both overtly and covertly) in the Middle East–which is doing more to fulfill the desires of NWO elitists for global hegemony than anything ever to precede it. it was used as justification to invade a country and kill its leader that had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11. And it has been used as justification to militarily enrage Vladimir Putin and bring back Cold War-type hostilities that could easily turn hot very quickly.

2) The events of 9/11 have been used as justification for the so-called “war on terror,” which has turned America into an Orwellian surveillance society and burgeoning Police State. The Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security are more and more often targeting peaceful American citizens as enemy combatants. As a result, more and more of our local and State police agencies are being turned into quasi-military units.
*This much seems clear to me: whoever and whatever was responsible for those attacks NEVER CAME CLOSE to destroying the liberties of the United States as much as our own government has done–and is doing–in the aftermath.

64 thoughts on “Chuck Baldwin Comments on the 9/11 Anniversary

  1. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Things have been a little quiet at IPR, and I thought I’d post something to start some lively discussion–

    🙂

  2. jim

    The article said, “1) The events of 9/11 have been used as justification for America conducting wars of aggression (both overtly and covertly) in the Middle East–which is doing more to fulfill the desires of NWO elitists for global hegemony than anything ever to precede it. it was used as justification to invade a country and kill its leader that had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11. ”

    Simple explanation: One idiot (George W Bush) wanted to avenge the foolish actions of another idiot, his father George HW Bush, for the negative consequences of:
    1. “Read my lips, no new taxes.”
    2. Throwing the Tien An Mien protestors under the bus.
    3. The War on Drugs.
    4. Going into Iraq, and stopping the tanks 60 miles outside of Baghdad, and not bothering to take Saddam out of power.

  3. langa

    No matter what one thinks of Baldwin’s first three points, the last two seem virtually indisputable.

  4. ATBAFT

    Never could understand why the collapse of Bldg. 7 is thrown into the narrative to somehow prove that 911 was a U.S. government conspiracy. Is there really someone out there who said “You know I’m o.k. with the terrorists taking down the Twin Towers, but damn, they took out Bldg. 7 too, and now I’m enraged?” In other words, there was no reason to blow up Bldg.7
    if, in fact, 911 was an inside job. Taking out the Towers was, and is, enough.

  5. Jed Ziggler

    I don’t think it was an inside job, I just want to know what DID happen, because the official story is as preposterous as the conspiracy theories.

  6. jim

    Jed Ziggler: Oh, there’s the “jet fuel doesn’t melt steel” nonsense again. Are you under the impression that to weaken steel beams within such a structure sufficiently to cause collapse, it is somehow necessary to raise the temperature of said steel to its melting point.
    Because it DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY.
    The melting point is the point at which the strength of steel goes to ZERO. In order to cause a building to collapse, it would merely be necessary to raise the temperature of that steel to that temperature at which its strength drops to its current loading. Do you know what temperature that is? No? I didn’t think you did.
    Got it?

  7. ATBAFT

    One friend is into this conspiracy. He believes Bldg. 7 is where the plotters had their nerve center/hq to mastermind the 9-11 attacks and they deliberately destroyed the building so that their center would not be discovered during the subsequent investigation. So who was behind the conspiracy??? It could be almost anyone, no? The Clinton Crime Family, the Koch
    Brothers, the Queen of England or MI6, the Mossad, House of Saud, The Rothschilds, Gold bugs, Military Industrial Complex, Hollywood, the FBI or CIA, Bush Re-election Committee, maybe even the Oregon Libertarians!

  8. jim

    “The Clinton Crime Family, the Koch
    Brothers, the Queen of England or MI6, the Mossad, House of Saud, The Rothschilds, Gold bugs, Military Industrial Complex, Hollywood, the FBI or CIA, Bush Re-election Committee, maybe even the Oregon Libertarians!”

    Oooh! That must have been Burke! I always knew he was a bad egg!

  9. Andy Craig

    You can think 9/11 was a false-flag inside job holographic thermite cruise missile whatever, or you can agree with what Ron Paul (and many others) have said about 9/11 being a prime example of blowback from an interventionist foreign policy. But it can’t be both.

    There are also ample explanations available, for anybody who wants them, of how the planes were hijacked, how the damage from the plane impacts and subsequent fire caused the collapse, and there’s even plenty of photographs (that the CTs never show) of how extensive the damage was to WTC7 prior to its collapse. Ditto for every other question (and fabrication) that is brought forth by the CTs.

    If somebody has not availed themselves of those explanations and their evidence, it isn’t because they don’t exist, or aren’t plausible, or even that it is all “official story” from the government. It is because they’ve decided preemptively to not accept anything that doesn’t fit their desired narrative; anything that doesn’t lead to “inside job!” is just part of the cover-up and the work of shills or dupes. It isn’t a theory, it isn’t falsifiable– it is a religious belief, an article of faith, and immune to rebuttal.

    And coupling that attitude with a supposed plea for they very evidence you’ve already discounted and rejected is highly disingenuous.

  10. NewFederalist

    Make all the wisecracks you like but Chuck Baldwin is a more logical libertarian than many of the posters here who claim to be Libertarian/libertarian.

  11. Andy

    I am astounded that there are still people out there who believe in the official conspiracy theory put out by the government about the 9/11 attack.

  12. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Jim: Simple explanation: One idiot (George W Bush) wanted to avenge the foolish actions of another idiot, his father George HW Bush,

    No. Bush had very little to do with the Iraq War. He probably thinks he did. But presidents have very little power. They certainly cannot, single-handedly, bring the U.S. to war — or stop a war.

    I think the Iraq War would have happened even if Bush had opposed it. I think it would have happened if Gore were president. There were forces and powers behind the scenes that had been planning the Iraq War since the 1990s.

    This was something that even progressives once understood. I remember a Tom Tomorrow cartoon in — I guess it must have been in 2002 or early 2003. It showed the Bush cabinet praising Colin Powell for changing his mind and now supporting the Iraq War. It was done as a Soprano parody.

    Then Bush enters the room and says, “Okay, boys. I’m here now, ready to lead.” The cabinet members snicker and say, “Yeah, sure boss,” because they realize he’s not really in charge, though he thinks he is.

  13. langa

    You can think 9/11 was a false-flag inside job holographic thermite cruise missile whatever, or you can agree with what Ron Paul (and many others) have said about 9/11 being a prime example of blowback from an interventionist foreign policy. But it can’t be both.

    It’s true that the “made it happen” theory and the blowback theory are mutually exclusive. But the “let it happen” theory is quite compatible with blowback.

  14. paulie

    Regardless of whether it’s blowback, LIHOP, MIHOP, any other kind of IHOP, or inside job, the policy implications are the same. Stay out of foreign wars, especially land wars in Asia; end domestic espionage and roll back the burgeoning surveillance state; end foreign aid and intervention; a policy of peaceful commerce with all, free trade, open immigration, and entangling alliances with none; widespread gun ownership and training along the original constitutional militia system for true homeland defense; competitive currencies, free banking and cutting the red tape and tax burdens to shreds, so the US would be far too valuable as a place to invest and store money to even think about attacking; rein in the “intelligence” agencies….

    We can argue whodunit forever, but the policy implications are still the same.

  15. Jed Ziggler

    For the record, I’m not saying I believe 9/11 was an inside job, or that they let it happen, or anything really. I’m saying, radically, that I don’t know. I don’t believe the government’s story, I don’t believe a single one of the conspiracy theories. I think it’s entirely possible that they let it happen, although I have no cause to say I believe this to be true. I don’t know, none of it makes sense, and dammit I just want the truth.

  16. langa

    Paulie, I agree about the policy implications. That’s one of the reasons I don’t spend much time thinking or talking about the possible causes of 9/11. Even if the theories could be conclusively proved (or conclusively disproved) beyond a shadow of a doubt, it still wouldn’t fundamentally change my opinions about the U.S. government, nor its policies.

    So, as I said above, regardless of whether you agree with Baldwin’s suspicions about the causes of 9/11, it’s awfully tough to disagree with his assessment of its effects.

  17. jim

    From: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

    Claim: “We have been lied to,” announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. “The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel.” The posting is entitled “Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC.”

    FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn’t need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. “I have never seen melted steel in a building fire,” says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. “But I’ve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks.”

    “Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F,” notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. “And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent.” NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

    But jet fuel wasn’t the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

    “The jet fuel was the ignition source,” Williams tells PM. “It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.”

  18. Andy

    Those who don’t understand that 9/11 was a false flag do not really understand what is going on in the world.

  19. Robert Capozzi

    LOL, PF. I’ve noticed!

    Boiling things down to a shortish big picture is a skill, fer sher.

    AJ might subscribe to something like:

    9/11 was engineered by sinister, power-hungry elites as part of grand scheme to institute one-world government. By manufacturing horrific, fearsome events like 9/11, the sheeple will willing accept more and more government control out of a desperate and counterproductive desire for security. These elites are ______.

  20. paulie

    https://xkcd.com/690/

    In fairness, no side of those who are convinced they already know the truth – including those who accept the official version with little or no question – would be happy with such a bizarre “compromise” 🙂

  21. Robert Capozzi

    pf: they already know the truth

    me: The definition of an anti-radical. The moment one thinks one KNOWS the truth, one closes one’s mind, which is the opposite of the radical stance, near as I can tell!

  22. Floyd Whitley

    My observation of things going on in this world…

    Demagoguery is one of the easiest arguments to make on this Earth; it has ever been thus since before the Neolithic age.

    Demagoguery need not based on facts; or upon evidence. It is not constrained by history; or even reality. It need have only willing ears; not even sight is required.

    Blind leading the blind, in a Scriptural context. This reference is germane with respects to the author. But for those zealous secularists here, one could just as easily borrow from P.T. Barnum…the same axiom is derived. And the same ditch is belatedly discovered…whether by accident or by design.

    The only conspiracy evidenced in these ruins, is that a house divided cannot stand…and this be true irrespective of how technologically advanced that society may be.

    If you seek a cause, search your own hearts.

    Cause may be found everywhere in the rubble at the feet of those who would divide us; it is evidenced in the thirty pieces of silver scattered across The Potters’ Field. Whenever righteousness is put up for sale, wherever principles may be auctioned off and compassion bartered as chattel, look no further. There is your cause.

  23. Floyd Whitley

    The “green light” on the 9/11 World Trade Towers strike was actually flashed by Senator Tom Daschle, three months earlier.

    The World Trade “go” was flashed on May 24, 2001 when Daschle orchestrated his Senate “coup”.

    The 2000 election had produced a tenuous 50-50 split in the Senate, with the majority controlled by the vote of the Vice President. Jim Jeffords was enticed to leave the GOP and caucus with the Democrats, which threw the Senate Leader to Daschle.

    Obviously, the 2000 presidential election remained contentious. The internecine war over Florida’s recount forced a statutory override…until November 26th. Then Gore formally contested these results. The U.S. Supreme Court was forced to intervene on December 12th.

    But the rancor continued on January 6th in Congress. House Democrats rose sequentially in objection. The Senate deferred to the Supreme Court decision. Thus, Bush was ultimately certified. This epitomizes a house divided. It demonstrates why it cannot stand.

    The period for an Administration transfer is short…basically two months when considering Thanksgiving and Christmas. So, this delay prevented a timely transfer of Administrations from November 2000 to January 2001…it chewed up half of this valuable transfer time.

    That time is all the more valuable whenever the party in administrative power also changes, because Administration holdovers typically don’t exist. Time is necessary to set up Administration transfers, but that was not the case from the 2000 election. The Bush Administration was hobbled at a critical time, especially in access to security affairs. Democrats were less than helpful, euphemistically stated…as the sophomoric behavior over the White House phones demonstrated.

    Therefore, before the Bush Administration was even sworn in, it was gravely weakened, and widely viewed as illegitimate by media, popular and world opinion.

    Our enemies know us better than we know ourselves, it seems. These enemies smelled blood in the water from this 2000-2001 partisan divisiveness. When you add in the unanswered attack on the USS Cole on 12 October (for political reasons heading into the November presidential election), who can blame them?

    So, when the Senate capitulated to Daschle’s “banana republic” coup in late May 2001, it looked like the American government was failing. Daschle’s coup took place on Rabe’e Alawal, first spring (if I understand the Islamic calendar correctly). It was a green day, as it were.

    And we were struck.

  24. Robert Capozzi

    fw, wow, this is a new one to me. I’d not realized that a Senate Maj. Leader has that sort of power! I thought it was Cheney, the New American Century, the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati, sorta conspiracy!

  25. Floyd Whitley

    Of course my point, your sarcasm notwithstanding, was that it was this divisiveness that “caused” the attack. Daschle’s coup merely reflected (which I used by way of example) this weakness.

    A lion very rarely ever seeks to take down the vigorous in a herd. It surveys the herd, usually from a position of ambush, looking for the weak, the lame, the young. Those are the ones the lion pursues, because it is a matter of risk/reward and a payoff/probability calculation that happens in many systems…from nature to human institutions.

    I merely submitted that this was what happened to “cause” the 9/11 attacks.

    The same is being played out in Syria, as we speak. ISIS formed. And I submit it formed under exactly similar circumstances, because…

    a house divided cannot stand.

  26. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I hadn’t planned to get involved in this thread, but I actually hadn’t thought it would become a thread about 9/11 Truth, since it has been talked about here on IPR several times. I posted the article because it was short and to the point (my favorite type of article), and made a few good points. I don’t fully believe any of the “conspiracy theories”, including the government’s official one, and I don’t pretend to know whether it was simply allowed to happen, or was caused by evil government players. What I DO know, though, is that the ridiculous Popular Mechanics debunking article has been debunked over and over again. I’m surprised anyone still refers to it.

    This article has a list of some of those debunking articles:

    http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2012/02/debunking-real-911-myths-why-popular.html

  27. Robert Capozzi

    fw: a house divided cannot stand.

    me: Dunno about this…condos, row houses, and semi-detached places suggest otherwise.

    A certain amount of division, checks and balances, and disruption of the status quo could well contribute to a healthy-ish social order.

  28. Floyd Whitley

    Must be a Bull Conner disciple.

    The point is: two can play those sorts of childish semantic games.

    Far better, and more productive, would be to understand 1 Corinthians 13:11.

    This is evermore necessary today.

  29. Cody Quirk

    “Demagoguery is one of the easiest arguments to make on this Earth; it has ever been thus since before the Neolithic age.
    Demagoguery need not based on facts; or upon evidence. It is not constrained by history; or even reality. It need have only willing ears; not even sight is required.”

    Yep and both the CP and those of that ideology seem to be be just as guilty of Demagoguery as anyone on the fringe Left or of neoconservatism.

  30. jim

    You agreed with “I don’t fully believe any of the “conspiracy theories”, including the government’s official one,”

    Which is foolish. There was obviously a “conspiracy”. A “conspiracy” is simply an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime, combined with one action in furtherance of the goals of the conspiracy.

  31. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I totally agree there was a conspiracy. However, none of them completely make sense to me. Perhaps I didn’t word things clearly enough.

    I’d like to know what happened, but at this point, that’s probably unlikely, which does seem terribly unfair to the victims’ families.

    In re-reading Jim’s comment, though, it appears he was talking to Paulie. Well, in this case, maybe too many answers is better than not enough!

  32. paulie

    Jim,

    Not believing any particular conspiracy theory isn’t the same thing as believing there was no conspiracy at all. Seriously, is sophistry your entire game plan here?

  33. paulie

    Perhaps I didn’t word things clearly enough.

    It seemed crystal clear to me.

    In re-reading Jim’s comment, though, it appears he was talking to Paulie.

    All I did was agree with you.

  34. paulie

    Yahoo groups are outdated. I quit using them a couple of years back. Still signed up for at least a hundred of them but I have them all set to web-only view, and I don’t like their new web interface so I don’t use it.

    FB groups and/or google groups would probably be used more.

  35. Robert Capozzi

    a: Libertarians who understand what is going on:

    me: And what is the one paragraph summary of what is going on? Was my 9/15 9:58a post in the neighborhood?

  36. Robert Capozzi

    OK, PF. I’d love to see such an essay, as I’d REALLY like to know “what is going on.”

  37. Robert Capozzi

    pf, yes, thanks!

    Couldn’t agree more with MG:
    “You know we’ve got to find a way
    To bring some lovin’ here today.”

    If AJ can paint us a picture showing us how going down the rabbit hole of CTs brings us all some lovin’ here today, sign me up!

    I stumbled on one y’day: Jade Helm 15. Have any people been getting rounded up yet?

  38. paulie

    I’ve seen allegations that various things such as terrorist incidents, crazy shooting sprees and the Waco biker/police shootout have something to do with Jade Helm. Dunno.

  39. Andy

    Robert Capozzi

    September 16, 2015 at 8:36 am “I stumbled on one y’day: Jade Helm 15. Have any people been getting rounded up yet?”

    Jade Helm is an exercise. The real thing is yet to come, at least on a large scale.

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