Austin Petersen was runner up for the Libertarian Party Presidential nomination in 2016, previously worked at the LP national office, and the LP is discussed in this interview. He is currently running for the Republican nomination for US Senate in Missouri.
Fine, we will agree to disagree on the correct terminology. I think we understand each other.
“I am nit picking . . .As Gary Johnson would say, I’m getting “into the weeds a bit . . . ””
Smoke ’em if you got ’em. But don’t fall over from a heart attack or forget basic information during interviews if you have any coming up.
“Is “Gina” pronounced like the way Trump says China? ”
Yes….really rolls off your tongue, doesn’t it?
Opinions can be wrong . . . . it goes back to my initial point. We can all have an opinion on something, but the Supreme Court holds the final decision on those matters.
He can say Obamacare is bad because X Y and Z. That is an opinion that can neither be wrong or right. . . . . . He can say “this is why I THINK Obamacare should be unconstitutional . . . But saying something is unconstitutional can definitely be shown to be wrong or right after the Supreme Court has ruled on the matter. Yes, I know most here disagree with my OPINION 😛
I am nit picking . . .As Gary Johnson would say, I’m getting “into the weeds a bit . . . ”
Is “Gina” pronounced like the way Trump says China? 🙂
You can call me Gina for short 🙂 And Mark Hinkle was not saying that the Supreme Court had ruled Obamacare to be unconstitutional, he was saying that in his opinion it is unconstitutional. Therefore he was not wrong.
Vagina: I think we are both saying the same thing using different wording. Our personal opinions may be valid, but they don’t carry any weight other than hoping someone else hears and agrees.
“Does Paul Joseph Watson complain about not getting enough back rubs from Alex Jones on the latest episode of Lions of Liberty?”
LOL were they drinking from juice boxes?
Tony, if I see the police beating someone on the street, I can decide that they are acting illegally. I am not a judge so I can’t enforce my decision but I have the right to tell anyone who will listen “those cops were acting illegally.” If I get invited on a radio show I don’t have to be a judge to say “I saw those cops breaking the law” and “unconstitutional” works the same way. Hinkle was expressing his opinion, and I think he was right, so not being a justice of the supreme court does not mean his opinion is invalid.
Paulie, when you or I say that something is Constitutional, absolutely nothing happens . . .
When the Supreme Court says something is Constitutional . . .
We all can have an opinion on whether something is constitutional, but we can not DECIDE what is constitutional . . . unless, of course, you can somehow get appointed to the Court 🙂
I think the misunderstanding of the constitution comes from allowing “interpretation” to trump word definition. It’s led to the extremely verbose contracts we use every day which disallows “interpretation” and spells out precisely what is expected.
Lawyers (therefore judges) paid others to teach them to lie legally (interpret) and there in lies the problem.
The SC’s job was supposed to be, as pointed out, to ensure a law met constitutional requirements. It was NOT to “interpret”. No where is that stated as the job of jurists. That itself is an interpretation.
I think we’d be better off to have a SC made up of non-lawyers who are literal, not political. Of course that’ll never happen as it’s so ingrained in our society that SC judges have to have a degree in law. I’ve not seen that requirement in the constitution either, yet it is “interpreted”, literally, and that’s what we get: people who are trained to lie legally, with verbosity, believing that baffling with bull shit trumps dazzling with brilliance. We’re living the results = proof.
No, actually that is not the case. They have their opinion and I have mine. As a practical matter their opinion holds sway but we are absolutely able to use our own interpretive powers to say something is unconstitutional. Otherwise they could say that the president can do whatever he wants, for example. Just because they say it doesn’t mean that is what the constitution was ever meant to say. So I will keep calling things which are plainly unconstitutional according to the people who wrote the constitution “unconstitutional”, regardless of what the kangaroo kort says today.
The constitution, incidentally, does not say that anything that the court says is constitutional – regardless how far removed from what the constitution actually says – is therefore constitutional. That would be absurd.
Paulie I know you disagree. I don’t agree with every Supreme Court decision obviously. But their constitutional duty is to decide if a law is constitutional. Therefore, according to our constitution, their decisions ARE gospel
He was trying to point out that all kinds of people have been interviewed by Jones, in reply to points made earlier about how going on with Jones hurts the interviewee’s credibility. And many of us disagree with you that whatever the Supreme Court says is automatically gospel. Many of their rulings have absolutely nothing to do with the original intent or plain text of the constitution. They have gone well beyond their role of interpreting the constitution to, in many cases, just making shit up, or playing a glorified game of telephone.
Andy ” . . . .The Unconstitutionality of ‘Obamacare’ with Libertarian Chairman Mark Hinkle 2/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR1whWA_QWM . . . . ”
Not that your post has anything to do with this thread, but the Supreme Court felt differently . . .
Fascinating question, I’m sure, but I’m probably not alone in not wanting to spend over an hour to find out.
Does Paul Joseph Watson complain about not getting enough back rubs from Alex Jones on the latest episode of Lions of Liberty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXJ9uAviP0
Chris just wants attention, Cody. Please don’t feed the trolls.
I don’t need an app that fluffs my ego, Chris.
“I need to get laid, nigga.”
Get back on some meds, get a life, and maybe you might luck out with a cougar retiree that’s drunk enough to think you’re Channing Tatum.
At least I get laid on a regular basis- to my wife -because I’m actually sane and know how to act that way.
“I gotta get married before I move to Poland.”
At this point, I highly doubt you can maintain a marriage to a mail-order bride.
The article says Ryan Ramsey has now denounced Invictus as well.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/09/22/american-guard-ousts-augustus-invictus-citing-his-support-poisonous-ideas
The Unconstitutionality of ‘Obamacare’ with Libertarian Chairman Mark Hinkle 2/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR1whWA_QWM
Here’s something for all of the people who have talked shit about Alex Jones and Infowars. Back in 2011, then Libertarian Party National Chairman, Mark Hinkle, appeared on The Alex Jones Show.
Notice how positively Alex Jones spokes of the Libertarian Party. Also, note that he mentions having met Wes Benedict when Wes lived in Austin (Alex makes a positive comment about him as well).
The Unconstitutionality of ‘Obamacare’ with Libertarian Chairman Mark Hinkle 1/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpXuXjBMIE&t=95s
“Good luck with ATPR – maybe you can get it back on Alexa. ”
Alexa is easily manipulated and only measures the reading/viewing habits of those who install Alexa.
“I need to get laid, nigga.”
Well, at least you got that much right. Apparently you also have an equally desperate need for attention. Have you been in the county jail yet? I would recommend you don’t use that “nigga” word there or some people might think you are actually saying “nigger.” I feel like it’s probably not a good thing to give you the attention you crave and I’ll probably ignore you after this.
“LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THIS IS LIKE AN LSD TRIP COMPLETELY SOBER HAAHAHAHA”
It’s called psychosis. I would think you would know that by now.
“I gotta get married before I move to Poland.”
You should get laid first. Or maybe move to Poland, get laid, then think about marriage.
I’m 100% certain that I”m going to get baptized as a Jehovah Witness on November 4th, 2017.
In the Polish section of the Romeoville Assembly Hall – Romeovile and Joliet – Romeo and Juliet – some crazy fucker planned this, maybe Josehp SMith before he got kicked out of Illinois LOL
Jehovah’s Witnesses : The World’s Most Elite Dating Organization : Not for the weak of heart! No drugs, drunkenness and fornication allowed!
Oh and I ‘m a big Pastor Steven Anderson fan. Faithful World Baptist Church for the win. Chuck Baldwin has a good nondenominational church in Montana too.
I gotta get married before I move to Poland.
“Which further shows how much you royally fucked up with ATPR and why you’ll never be given a second chance with us, and also why you have no political future.
Ditto on Max, but I actually do have some respect for him; for one, he’s actually not a backstabbing scumfuck.”
You are not wrong Cody. You are not wrong.
Good luck with ATPR – maybe you can get it back on Alexa. It’s currently not registered on Alexa but neither is Grand Inquirer. Oh well. I need to get laid, nigga.
LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THIS IS LIKE AN LSD TRIP COMPLETELY SOBER HAAHAHAHA
And be a juke box hero, got stars in his eyes
He’s a juke box hero, got stars in his eyes
Yeah, juke box hero, got stars in his eyes
With that one guitar he’ll come alive
Come alive tonight
JUKE BOX HERO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7tzi8wkYgI
I have yet to finish reading The Great Fiction and the other Hoppe book I have. LOL jungle music ahahhaahhahaahha
But, wouldn’t Hoppe want you “physically removed” for playing such “jungle music”? LOL
Awww. That’s so sweet. Maybe you should make him a mix tape.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/56/6a/49/566a49878f222a8f58872f3784641989–peter-gabriel-boombox.jpg
I dedicate this amazing poem to IPR Andy:
2Pac – Only God Can Judge Me (Music Video)
“Only God Can Judge Me”
(feat. Rappin 4-Tay)
[2Pac:]
Only God can judge me (that right?)
Only God can judge me now
Nobody else (nobody else)
All you other motherfuckers get out my business (really)
Only God can judge me now
[2Pac:]
Perhaps I was blind to the facts, stabbed in the back
I couldn’t trust my own homies, just a bunch of dirty rats
Will I succeed? Paranoid from the weed
And hocus pocus, I try to focus, but I can’t see
And in my mind I’m a blind man doin’ time
Look to my future, ’cause my past is all behind me
Is it a crime to fight for what is mine?
Everybody’s dyin’, tell me what’s the use of tryin’
I’ve been trapped since birth, cautious ’cause I’m cursed
And fantasies of my family in a hearse
And they say it’s the white man I should fear
But it’s my own kind doin’ all the killin’ here
I can’t lie, ain’t no love for the other side
Jealousy inside, make ’em wish I died
Oh my Lord, tell me what I’m livin’ for
Everybody’s droppin’, got me knockin’ on Heaven’s door
And all my memories of seein’ brothers bleed
And everybody grieves, but still nobody sees
Recollect your thoughts, don’t get caught up in the mix
‘Cause the media is full of dirty tricks
[2Pac:]
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me now
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
[Flatline]
[2Pac:]
I hear the doctor standin’ over me, screamin’ I can make it
Got a body full of bullet holes, layin’ here naked
Still I can’t breathe, something’s evil in my IV
‘Cause everytime I breathe I think they killin’ me
I’m havin’ nightmares, homicidal fantasies
I wake up stranglin’, tangled in my bed sheets
I call the nurse ’cause it hurts to reminisce
How did it come to this? I wish they didn’t miss
Somebody help me, tell me where to go from here
‘Cause even thugs cry, but do the Lord care?
Try to remember, but it hurts
I’m walkin’ through the cemetery, talkin’ to the dirt
I’d rather die like a man than live like a coward
There’s a ghetto up in Heaven and it’s ours
“Black Power!” is what we scream
As we dream in a paranoid state
And our fate is a lifetime of hate
Dear Mama, can you save me? And fuck peace
‘Cause the streets got our babies, we gotta eat
No more hesitation, each and every black male’s trapped
And they wonder why we suicidal running ’round strapped
Mr. Police, please try to see
That there’s a million motherfuckers stressin’ just like me
[2Pac:]
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me now
[2Pac:]
That which does not kill me can only make me stronger
That’s for real
and I don’t see why everybody feel as though
that they gotta tell me how to live my life
You know?
Let me live, baby, let me live
[Rappin’ 4-Tay:]
Pac, I feel ya, keep servin’ it on the reala
For instance, say a playa hatin’ mark is out to kill ya
Would you be wrong for buckin’ a nigga to the pavement?
He gon’ get me first, if I don’t get him fool start prayin’
Ain’t no such thing as self-defense in the court of law
So judge us when we get to where we’re goin wearin’ a cross
That’s real, got him, lurked him, crept the fuck up on him
Sold a half a million tapes, now everybody want him
After talkin’ behind my back like a bitch would
Tellin’ them niggas, “You can fade him,” punk I wish you would
It be them same motherfuckers in your face
That’ll rush up in your place to get your safe
Knowin’ you on that paper chase
Grass, glass, big screen and leather couch
My new shit is so fetti, already sold a ki or ounce
Bitch, remember 2Pac and 4-Tay
Them same two brothers dodgin’ bullets representin’ the Bay
Pac, when you was locked down
That’s when I’ll be around
Start climbin’ up the charts, so sick, but they tried to clown
That’s why they ride the bandwagon
Still be draggin’ sellin’ lies
Don’t think I don’t see you haters, I know y’all in disguise
[2Pac:]
Guess you figure you know me, ’cause I’m a thug
That love to hit the late night club drink and buzzed
Been livin’ lavish like a player all day
Now I’m bout to floss ’em off, player shit with 4-Tay
[2Pac:]
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me, only God
Only God can judge me now
[2Pac (Rappin 4-Tay):]
(Only God, mane)
That right?
(That’s real)
Hahahahahaha
(Fuck everybody else, you know what I’m sayin’?)
Man, look here, man
My only fear of death
Is comin’ back to this bitch reincarnated, man
That’s for the homie mental
(Hehehehe)
We up out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=padvnsLUhUM
I added the blurb. It took me 17 seconds.
No games. As I said several times in this thread your permission level was changed from author to contributor because you stubbornly refuse to learn or follow IPR rules for posting articles. That means that you can still post stories but they need the approval of another editor before they go live. Your newest article did not “disappear” – it was put on hold. Which was a good thing too, because the headline needed to be adjusted. For one thing exclamation points are not appropriate in IPR headlines, and for another “Redneck Muslim” even though that is how he describes himself is not the most appropriate thing either and was adjusted to something more appropriate. I fixed the headline and approved your story.
I did not know that contributors could not edit their own draft articles, but that being the case, I will do the blurb for this one myself. However, in the future, if your stories require a blurb, they will only be approved for publication after they get one – and not before, at least if the other site editors cooperate with me on this.
OK, I just got logged back onto the site for the first time since I posted this (my last comment here was from my phone, and I have never posted an article from my phone because it is too much of a hassle), and I tried to edit the post to add in the information about Austin Petersen having been the runner up last year for the LP’s presidential nomination (which should be self explanatory to anyone who listens to the interview), and the edit feature mysteriously disappeared.
I can’t edit the article if the edit feature has disappeared.
I also tried posting a new story on Will Coley’s move from Tennessee to New Hampshire, and this has disappeared as well.
Either somebody is playing games here, or there is something wrong with the site, or perhaps the edit feature has moved and I did not see it.
I am about the leave the computer again, and I likely will not have another chance to log on again until tonight (past 9 or 10 PM).
I thought the American Freedom Party already exists. Why would they need to start a new one?
Wow… Andy and Chris are like twins…
At least if they end up getting tired of pushing know-nothing rascist immigration restrictions, pro-confederacy, and other alt-right views on LP members who find those views abhorent, they can always start their own party with each other to lean on.
That’s why the permission level was changed. I already asked nicely enough times.
Paulie . . . he doesn’t care . . . . His world ends at his front door.
When posting articles keep in mind that many people will not read the thread or listen to the interview. Many of our readers only see the articles through searches using search engines or repostings on social media. It is not a reasonable expectation that most of them will listen to the interview without a blurb, and way, way more people read our articles than the comments. I know that when I look at other sites from a search, link elsewhere or social media posting I am much more likely to read the post than the comments, and so we need to tailor our articles to those casual readers as well, not only to those who already know who Petersen is, or those who read IPR comments, or those who listen to interviews.
See for example the comment from Latesha Faught on our FB, reproduced above. She sees our articles on FB, so she does not see the comments here. She already knows who Petersen is but she is wondering WhyTF we are posting about him since she knows he is a Republican now. She’s not going to listen to the interview and since there is no explanation in the article, and Andy does not go to FB, she is left with the impression that we are straying from our mission. There are many other people who could have had a similar reaction but did not leave a comment.
That’s why it is important to include blurbs, especially in these borderline types of articles.
No Wolfefan, it is a sign that I have been busy doing other things, and have not had time to look for my log in information in order to post a blurb of information, information which should be obvious to anyone who reads the thread or listens to the interview.
I will get back to it when it is convenient. I am posting from my phone right now, and it is a hassle to do it from my phone due to the small screen (I do not even like typing on the phone), especially when I have a bunch of other things to do.
It’s OK. As I said from now on his articles will need approval from other editors to go public and I will not approve articles that need a blurb until they get one. I’ve sent an email to our other editors asking them to do the same. Hopefully that will fix the issue.
The lack of a blurb even after multiple requests on more than one thread is a sign of the contempt in which Andy holds the site. For things he cares about, like petitioning, I am sure that he follows all the relevant laws and regulations and makes corrections immediately when he finds that something inappropriate is going on. Here, when asked to spend less than five minutes fixing something, he instead spends hours doing other stuff – to his own detriment.
I still don’t see a blurb. I’m baffled as to how someone who seems to be at least of average intelligence can’t seem to follow a very simple rule that he has been told to follow multiple times.
Put that in the article, not in only the comments. That’s all you are being asked to do. It’s a very simple re-edit.
Which I agree with but the article needs to say that he was the runner up for the presidential nomination, formerly worked at the national office and that the LP came up in the interview. This should not even have to be explained much less repeatedly.
Which is not the question here since they are not running as Republicans right now and Austin is.
“paulie
September 19, 2017 at 11:47
‘Yet you keep allowing him to post articles. . .’
As of this point he can only submit them for review. I regret this, but I asked several times on a past article and more than once on this one. As I said earlier, the article is within bounds if it had a blurb. Since discussion on this one is ongoing I am not unapproving it but I am still asking that a blurb be added for the benefit of anyone who stumbles on it after this point through a search engine or link from somewhere.”
What is there to “regret”? This article is not out of bounds, and I could find articles posted here in the past that were less relevant, and less newsworthy, than this one is. I am not even a big fan of Austin Petersen, but I think that the story is newsworthy because Petersen has been an LP member (he may still be, as I don’t know if he actually quit the party when he decided to run as a Republican; Ron Paul never actually quit the LP as he maintained his Life Membership status throughout his Republican runs and up until today), he worked at the LP national office at one time, and just last year, he was the runner up for the LP’s presidential nomination. Also, if anyone listens to the interview, the Libertarian Party comes up in the conversation. I agree that since Austin is running as a Republican now, that his Republican campaign should not get lots of coverage here, but covering him here once in awhile, particularly when the subject of the Libertarian Party is brought up in the interview, is certainly well within the bounds of IPR. The story is also newsworthy because a few years ago Austin had an online spat with Alex Jones (certainly not Petersen’s only online spat, but it was one of the more publicized ones), so it is interesting to see that he’s now being interviewed by Infowars.
I cover relevant news stories as I see them. I also recently posted stories about Larry Sharpe, who is seeking the LP of NY’s nomination for Governor in 2018, and Adam Kokesh, who is seeking the LP’s nomination for President in 2020 (or he’s at least considering it, as I don’t think that he’s officially announced yet, although he is currently touring the country and talking about running for the nomination in 2020).
Apparently.
It has nothing to do with the source of the video or article, just with the person posting the article. In wordpress there are levels such as author and contributor. Authors can publish articles on their own, contributors need the approval of another editor. If the article meets IPR standards it will be approved. If it needs improvement, such as a blurb, I will not approve it until it gets one, and will recommend the same to other editors here.
DJ: ” . . . . .Republocrats will be proud of your Demopublican . . . ”
ME: *yawn* . . . .
DJ: ” . . . . Libertarian support of free speech is amazing . . . . ”
Info wars has every right to exist. However, I (and every other decent-minded rational thinking Americans) have every right to denounce it.
Info wars isn’t banned on this site. Maybe you should read the whole conversation before bloviating.
“By the way, Max Dickstein has disappeared from the internet. I made the wrong move by hijacking the site, definitively. Alexa plummeted and Max posted on Grand Inquirer maybe ten times.”
Which further shows how much you royally fucked up with ATPR and why you’ll never be given a second chance with us, and also why you have no political future.
Ditto on Max, but I actually do have some respect for him; for one, he’s actually not a backstabbing scumfuck.
“Oh well, I’m focusing on J Dubs and my new Polish blog, TwierdzaChicago.wordpress.com. I want to move back to Poland with the next 5 years.”
5 years? Why not sooner?
LOL…. Libertarian support of free speech is amazing! Republocrats will be proud of your Demopublican actions of attacking a messenger and disregarding a message. Simply fucking amazing…SMH.
Paulie
Good luck. He’s got more important things to do than write a blurb! Such as repeat himself ad nauseum.
Stopping him from posting Info Wars nonsense without prior approval is a good first step.
Here’s another Gary Johnson appearance on The Alex Jones Show from 2012. Note how positively Alex Jones speaks of the Libertarian Party here.
Alex Jones is one of the few people with a media operation to give the Libertarian Party any coverage.
Why Romney & Obama Won’t Debate Gary Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcalp1xiIQo
“I will send 60 servings of my own special DNA force for only $120, a massive $30 savings. Think of all the things you can buy with the money you’ll save! You can’t afford NOT to order 60 servings of Paulie’s DNA Force…and if you order in the next 15 seconds there will be no charge for shipping!”
lol
No one should waste their time on Hoppe. Rothbard had his ups and downs, and overall I would recommend reading at least some of his work.
Yeah, you said that already. Nevertheless John Oliver was and is 100% correct about Alex Jones.
I will send 60 servings of my own special DNA force for only $120, a massive $30 savings. Think of all the things you can buy with the money you’ll save! You can’t afford NOT to order 60 servings of Paulie’s DNA Force…and if you order in the next 15 seconds there will be no charge for shipping!
Alex Jones Thanks John Oliver For Boosting Infowars Sales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSfn–WI0og
As you may have noticed from the Oliver segment, that’s not what he is being criticized for.
Nothing mindless about it.
“Krzysztof Lesiak
September 18, 2017 at 22:45
Earlier today I came back from the library and check out the two Hans Herman Hoppe books they had: A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline and The Great Fiction: Property, Economy, Society and the Politics of Decline which I read 100 something pages of last year and has an introduction by …wait for it>>>JEFFREY TUCKER!
I can’t wait to read these books. Hoppe is quite literally an intellectual genius and I don’t think comparing him to Rothbard is a stretch at all. Although most of my ‘knowledge’ of Rothbard comes from Internet memes so…”
Great reading choices! More people should read Rothbard and Hoppe.
As of this point he can only submit them for review. I regret this, but I asked several times on a past article and more than once on this one. As I said earlier, the article is within bounds if it had a blurb. Since discussion on this one is ongoing I am not unapproving it but I am still asking that a blurb be added for the benefit of anyone who stumbles on it after this point through a search engine or link from somewhere.
“Tony From Long Island
September 19, 2017 at 11:32
Anthony Dlugos: ‘. . . imagine how dumb his audience has to be in the aggregate if some of them are actually buying that garbage . . . ‘
Andy: ‘ . . . .I’ve ordered t-shirts, bumper stickers, books, and DVD’s from Jones’ website in the past. I have no complaints . . . . ‘
Hmmm. The post here just writes itself!”
You only expose your own ignorance. Ron Paul appeared on The Alex Jones Show many times over the years (Jones first interviewed Ron Paul back in 1996), and he considers Alex Jones to be a long time friend. Andrew Napolitano has also appeared on The Alex Jones Show.
Most people who are libertarians consider Ron Paul and Andrew Napolitano to be icons, and there are even a lot of people who are not libertarians who still hold them in high regard.
I put a lot more value in the opinions of Ron Paul and Andrew Napolitano than I do in the opinions of Tony From Long Island and Anthony Dlugos.
I mean, he’s got a product called “DNA Force.”
$150 for 60 servings.
how the heck can you NOT see that you are getting scammed?
Wow, all this typing by Andy and still no blurb for the article. Future articles will need the approval of other editors before they go live. And I for one will not approve them without a blurb if they need one, and will recommend other editors do the same.
Here’s Gary Johnson on The Alex Jones Show back in 2012. Alex Jones actually endorsed Gary Johnson for President in 2012, and he may have endorsed Johnson again in 2016, if Johnson had not exposed himself as being an unprincipled butthead. Jones revoked his support for Johnson for the same reasons that some of the people who post here stopped supporting him.
Those of you who still think that Johnson is wonderful, should he be disavowed since he appeared on The Alex Jones Show several times?
Gov. Gary Johnson on The Alex Jones Show (2012-06-14)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ZGjK84WN8
Anthony Dlugos: ” . . . imagine how dumb his audience has to be in the aggregate if some of them are actually buying that garbage . . . ”
Andy: ” . . . .I’ve ordered t-shirts, bumper stickers, books, and DVD’s from Jones’ website in the past. I have no complaints . . . . ”
Hmmm. The post here just writes itself!
Andy:
When did HBO become “media?”
It is funny to hear people who are supposedly free market capitalist, criticizing a guy who built his own company and who engages in free market capitalism.
Alex Jones does not get any taxpayer funding, and he does not work for a big, corporate media conglomerate. He’s a classic “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” kind of guy that libertarians claim to admire.
Alex Jones has also been one of the few people that has a media operation that has even bothered to give fair coverage to the Libertarian Party, as well as to other minor party figures and independent candidates.
He is also one of the few people with a media operation to promote jury nullification and to expose the Federal Reserve System and the IRS as frauds.
Really, the behavior of some of the so called “libertarians” here who’ve accomplished little, yet sit back and criticize people who have accomplished far more, is pretty disgusting, and is yet another example of why the Libertarian Party is not more successful.
Should read a Berkey Water Bottle, above. Berkey is a water filtration company that has advertised on The Alex Jones Show for years.
“Anthony Dlugos
September 19, 2017 at 09:51
imagine how dumb his audience has to be in the aggregate if some of them are actually buying that garbage.”
I’ve ordered t-shirts, bumper stickers, books, and DVD’s from Jones’ website in the past. I have no complaints, and I’ve gotten positive comments from people while wearing the t-shirts in public, especially the “Mass Murders Agree, Gun Control Works” t-shirt. I have not ordered anything from them in a long time, and I have not ordered any of their health products, but I’ve heard that they are comparable to top products you can get at stores like GNC, etc… I was at a gun show a few months ago and I bought a Berkey
“paulie
September 19, 2017 at 00:33
I went ahead and found the John Oliver segment again..
Really hits the nail on the head….unlike all the videos Andy keeps saying “hit the nail on the head” which usually just hit themselves on the head with a nail.”
The Oliver video you posted is mindless humor. Sure, he’s funny, but he lacks facts and intellectual substance. I’d love to see a formal debate between Oliver and Jones. If this were to happen, it would be Oliver who’d come off looking stupid and uniformed.
FYI, Jones put out a video thanking Oliver for the segment, because it actually caused sales on Jones’ website to increase.
Unlike John Oliver, who works for a big mainstream media conglomerate, Alex Jones started with nothing and built his own independent media operation.
imagine how dumb his audience has to be in the aggregate if some of them are actually buying that garbage.
“snake oil salesman” doesn’t do Jones’ shtick justice.
Thane Eichenauer
September 19, 2017 at 08:30
paulie> I went ahead and found the John Oliver segment again..
paulie> Really hits the nail on the head….
All I can say is that if it is good enough for John Oliver then watching that 22 minute infomercial was worth it. John Oliver thinks that it is worth $5.95 plus shipping and handling to buy a Bill Clinton rape whistle. Hu-rah!
https://www.infowarsstore.com/gear/accessories/bill-clinton-rape-whistle.html
paulie> I could write my own book on Drumpf’s corruption in NYC going back decades, but I won’t.
Paulie! Paulie! The MSNBC store really needs a good book to bring up the bottom line. Oddly enough the $31.95 “Chris&Chris&Rachel&Lawrence.” t-shirts aren’t flying off the e-shelves.
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LOL, love it!
paulie> I went ahead and found the John Oliver segment again..
paulie> Really hits the nail on the head….
All I can say is that if it is good enough for John Oliver then watching that 22 minute infomercial was worth it. John Oliver thinks that it is worth $5.95 plus shipping and handling to buy a Bill Clinton rape whistle. Hu-rah!
https://www.infowarsstore.com/gear/accessories/bill-clinton-rape-whistle.html
paulie> I could write my own book on Drumpf’s corruption in NYC going back decades, but I won’t.
Paulie! Paulie! The MSNBC store really needs a good book to bring up the bottom line. Oddly enough the $31.95 “Chris&Chris&Rachel&Lawrence.” t-shirts aren’t flying off the e-shelves.
https://www.msnbcstore.com/shop-by-show/the-rachel-maddow-show/msnbc-ampersand-men-s-tri-blend-short-sleeve-t-shirt.html
Andy :
I would change the word “dismisses” to watches and “alternative” to “fake” . . . then maybe I would agree with you.
An outlet that claims juice boxes make kids gay or that the victims of a massacre were actors can never get the title of “media.”
Posting ANY item from InfoWars – even if that particular blurb does not contain a conspiracy theory – diminishes the credibility of IPR.
Paulie
Wasn’t it George W Bush who quoted The Who when he said . . . “fool me once, shame on me . . . fool me twice. . . . uh . . . umm .. . .I won’t get fooled again!” . . . . or something like that. Yet you keep allowing him to post articles. . .
MSNBC has been pretty good on the Trump scandals (Russian and otherwise), although even they go way to easy on the Donald. To really dig into the meat of it you have to read some anti-Putin Russian journalists, many of them in exile and some who have been killed already for exposing the dealings of the Putin gang at home and abroad. A lot of it has been translated, but not everything. I like to keep up with it just like I like to keep up with the Kremlin propaganda, which I prefer in the original Russian and not the second-hand derivatives of it peddled by the likes of Infowars. I could write my own book on Drumpf’s corruption in NYC going back decades, but I won’t.
I went ahead and found the John Oliver segment again..
Really hits the nail on the head….unlike all the videos Andy keeps saying “hit the nail on the head” which usually just hit themselves on the head with a nail.
I see once again Andy has time to make any number of comments yet no time to add a blurb to an article. Please fix it or future articles will have to be approved by other IPR editors before they go live. This isn’t the first time we had this issue.
It’s not prejudice, I’ve been exposed to plenty of their toxic spew. I think John Oliver has that whole operation pegged very accurately. I put up the video on another recent thread, or do your own search for it.
“Anthony Dlugos
September 18, 2017 at 23:04
‘Anyone who dismisses Infowars. which is one of the biggest and best alternative media operations that there is, is also an idiot.’
lol. the level of self-delusion in that statement is…hard to fathom.”
Ironic statement coming from a guy who thinks that the Libertarian Party should nominate Bill Weld for President.
“Anyone who dismisses Infowars. which is one of the biggest and best alternative media operations that there is, is also an idiot.”
lol. the level of self-delusion in that statement is…hard to fathom.
Earlier today I came back from the library and check out the two Hans Herman Hoppe books they had: A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline and The Great Fiction: Property, Economy, Society and the Politics of Decline which I read 100 something pages of last year and has an introduction by …wait for it>>>JEFFREY TUCKER!
I can’t wait to read these books. Hoppe is quite literally an intellectual genius and I don’t think comparing him to Rothbard is a stretch at all. Although most of my “knowledge” of Rothbard comes from Internet memes so…
I agree. That’s why I stopped consuming cable/satellite news years ago. It’s controlled news. Infowars, however, is a fake news platform; i have no time for that BS, either.
“Thane Eichenauer
September 18, 2017 at 21:18
On the topic of those that would criticize Austin Petersen simply because he is interviewed by a person that works for Infowars I would suggest that you have blinders on that you need not wear (at least not every hour of every day). I can understand having some skepticism but after reviewing the web site I would have to say that 80% or more of their coverage looks pretty orthodox to me.”
I’m not exactly the world’s biggest Austin Petersen fan, but anyone who’d dismiss Austin for being interviewed by an Infowars reporter is an idiot. Anyone who dismisses Infowars. which is one of the biggest and best alternative media operations that there is, is also an idiot.
On the topic of those that would criticize Austin Petersen simply because he is interviewed by a person that works for Infowars I would suggest that you have blinders on that you need not wear (at least not every hour of every day). I can understand having some skepticism but after reviewing the web site I would have to say that 80% or more of their coverage looks pretty orthodox to me.
At least 20% of the coverage that orthodox and so-called respected news sources is tainted in my eyes as either slavish repeating of what the powers that be tell them to say or unthinking and uncritical reaction to events of the world.
Y’all can dislike Alex Jones or even Austin Petersen but I encourage you not to dismiss a message because you have some (outdated) prejudice about the messenger.
https://www.infowars.com/
If you would add that information in the form of a short blurb together with the video the issue would go away.
I do not think that Kris Lesiak and I are quite that close politically. I have never seen him embracing anarcho-capitalism for one thing. He seems to flip-flop on a lot of issues. I wish the people of Poland good luck, just as I wish to all people in the world, but I have little interest in Poland beyond that. I also have no interest in becoming a Jehovah’s Witness.
I am surprised that Austin Petersen appeared on Infowars considering that he had a nasty spat with Alex Jones a few years ago. I suppose that Austin figured that he’d do it since Infowars is one of the biggest alternative media operations out there, and since he was interviewed by Infowars reporter Owen Shroyer and not by Alex Jones. I do not know if Petersen and Jones are still harboring any ill will towards each other.
The video is newsworthy because Petersen came in 2nd place for the LP’s presidential nomination last year, and since the Libertarian Party gets mentioned in the interview.
I agree that the campaign of somebody who used to be a minor party or independent candidate, but who is now running as a major party candidate, should not get too much coverage here, but I think it is OK to cover it once in awhile, particularly if their previous minor party or independent run is mentioned.
“lol. Have you been mind melding with Andy?”
It’s almost as if Andy had a son…and that son was Chris, politically and ideologically his spitting image.
Literally the first I heard of it in your comment. So even if you know little about it you still know more than I do.
Nothing in particular, just scuttlebutt I see on Facebook.
Yeah, “human trafficking” essentially is a recycling of 1980s moral majority that rested at the time on the premise that everyone is the sex biz was coerced into by the devil. So, simply get rid of the devil references, rebrand prostitution, porn and stripping under a more progressive sounding category, “human trafficking,” and voila….
No, I have not. Got a link?
what about this black bloc protest at NOLA 2018, paulie? Have you heard anything about that?
I was just thinking the same thing. Over on open thread I saw this….
And immediately thought it was Andy, but then it turned out it was Chris.
“Augie” has at least 4 half Hispanic kids.
lol. Have you been mind melding with Andy?
“His website isn’t much more radical than Liberty Hangout…”
That says more about Liberty Hangout than it does about Invictus. Then again, I didn’t need any sort of association with a white nationalist to tell me that a website called “Liberty Hangout” wasn’t going to be font of wisdom. If I want a hangout, I’ll go to O’Shaugnessy Pub for a wee dram.
What does it say about me? “Augie” has at least 4 half Hispanic kids. He doesn’t hate other races.
Keep in mind he was endorsed by Jews, a black city councilor, and former LP candidates/state chairs during his 2016 election.
http://therevolutionaryconservative.com/library/inthepress/lpf-retraction/#.WcAZ4rKGOUk
His website isn’t much more radical than Liberty Hangout, which was one of the top Austin Petersen sites in 2016. Invictus took a picture with Petersen.
In this day and age, Rothbard would be called a neo Nazi. Everyone loves to throw the neo Nazi label at everyone. As far as I know, Augustus does NOT advocate corporatism (economic fascism) or support national socialism.
If you find neo-nazis to be “Fascinating,” that might say more about you than it says about Augie
David did what he had to do. He’s a decent person.
Invictus is just a fascinating figure overall….I’ve always enjoyed following controversial public figures…, I give him props for having 9 kids and his writing abilities. As I’m in J Dubs now,
By the way, Max Dickstein has disappeared from the internet. I made the wrong move by hijacking the site, definitively. Alexa plummeted and Max posted on Grand Inquirer maybe ten times.
Oh well, I’m focusing on J Dubs and my new Polish blog, TwierdzaChicago.wordpress.com. I want to move back to Poland with the next 5 years.
“However, I am very sympathethic to the candidacies of Austin Petersen, Eric Brakey (US Senate, Maine), Augustus Invictus, Nick Landholdt (Libertarian for Congress, 11th district in Texas) and David Earl Williams III (Libertarian for Lt. Governor in Illinois). I was David’s campaign manager in his first congressional bid from January to May 2013.”
Yeah, I also remember that David dropped you like a hot potato once you went white nationalist and had your schizo episode.
Maybe you should go to work for Augustus Invictus’s senatorial campaign, Chris 😉
He has a past LP connection so it is not completely out of bounds but it needs to be made explicit with a blurb, and I do need to stress that such articles should be rare. Our focus needs to be on those candidates who have not left alt parties to run as duopolists.
exactly.
which is why I don’t care that Andy, most maniacal of the “witch hunt libertarians” posted a story about a Republican.
He’s on InfoWars. He immediately lost any shred of credibility that he may have had.
I’ve never voted except in Poland on July 4th, 2010 when I cast a vote in the second round presidential election for “right-wing” (in actuality socialist) Jaroslaw Kacyznski, head of Poland’s Law and Justice Party that is achieving the same level of popularity in the country that Orban’s Fidesz is in Hungary – Orban is going to crush the opposition in the March 2018 parliamentary election while Gabor Vona’s far-right nationalist Jobbik will come in second with something like 25% of the vote. I was 14 when I put the “x” by Kaczynski’s name on my uncle’s ballot in Lomza, Poland. Kaczynski lost the election to Bronislaw Komorowski with 46.99% of the vote. A few months before on April 10th, 2010 Kaczynski lost his brother, President Lech Kaczynski in the Tupolew 154 air crash over Smolensk, Russia that claimed the lives of 96 of Poland’s political, cultural and military leaders. Some say Russia took the plane down, others claim that it was the US…however, I personally have no idea. Kaczynski, a neoconservative who served US/Israeli interests before the interests of his own country, was an absolutely awful president – the only thing his administration did right was resist efforts to replace Poland’s zloty with the Euro.
However, I am very sympathethic to the candidacies of Austin Petersen, Eric Brakey (US Senate, Maine), Augustus Invictus, Nick Landholdt (Libertarian for Congress, 11th district in Texas) and David Earl Williams III (Libertarian for Lt. Governor in Illinois). I was David’s campaign manager in his first congressional bid from January to May 2013.
Ok, back to Petersen: I like the guy and wish him well. I would have been someone torn between him and DWP at the 2016 LP convention though I ultimately would have gone with Perry just because Perry has the career I want in my life (writing and radio show) and is principled and well informed.
Peace.
I do agree with Paulie above that Austin Petersen as he exists today is not a qualified target for coverage at IPR unless he or the article has some special tie in to the Libertarian Party.
“backslider”, that’s worth a chuckle.
Latesha is correct, of course, and the blogger been interviewed by a more legit outlet, it is something I would have mentioned, but its funnier to just remark on the fact that he is appear on the Lunatic Today Network.
I enjoyed watching this segment. Austin Petersen brought up the Ex-Im Bank. He also talked about human trafficking (I prefer it simply be called prostitution but hey “new words”). I didn’t hear anything surprising. I’d love it if Austin Petersen talked more (or at all) about North Korea but that’s one of my hobby horses not his.
18 minutes long.
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Latesha Faught
September 18 at 8:49am
Why are you covering Petersen ,he isn’t s Libertarian or a 3rd party candidate for that matter .”
Since he is now running as a Republican the article text should mention that he sought the LP presidential nomination for anyone stumbling on it through a search, as not everyone reading would necessarily know that and we do not want to create the impression that we just make a habit of covering Republicans. Also, while it is OK to cover backslider/crossover every once in a while it should be done rarely.
Austin Petersen on Infowars. Wow that’s a lot of derp.