‘Manhattan Madam’ after Libertarian nomination for NY Governor, faces nomination competition

Metro.US reports:

Forget David Paterson, Andrew Cuomo and Rick Lazio.

Kristin Davis, the “Manhattan Madam” who allegedly set up the love connections between disgraced former Gov. Eliot Spitzer and call girls, is running for the top seat in Albany with the backing of Roger Stone, a GOP operative with a reputation for outlandish behavior and dirty tricks. The Daily News reported the piece of salacious politics yesterday. At the Libertarian party convention, Davis branded herself as someone who built a multimillion-dollar business from the ground up, the paper reported.

Stone, who has taken credit for tipping off the FBI to Spitzer’s penchant for hookers, told the Daily News’ Rush & Molloy that he may hire some Penthouse Pets, get them notary licenses and have them collect signatures in Grand Central to get Davis on the ballot.

Warren Redlich is also running for the LP nomination for Governor of NY.

In the past, “celebrity” candidates such as Howard Stern and former Massachusetts Governor William Weld have also sought the NY LP gubernatorial nomination.

56 thoughts on “‘Manhattan Madam’ after Libertarian nomination for NY Governor, faces nomination competition

  1. Robert Capozzi

    I wonder what Stone’s interest in this is? Seems like an odd move. Perhaps to make the Ds look bad by reminding voters about Spitzer?

  2. Eric Sundwall

    Robert – It’s to make libertarians look kooky and keep the conservative Republican from considering the libertarian Republican.

    Redlich’s campaign includes the LPNY and GOP nominations. The idea is to convince Tea Party people that they are in fact libertarian. In the process finish with a 50K total for the LPNY.

    The weakness of Lazio and no Giuliani type in the race makes Warren’s otherwise long shot campaign, much more viable with the wide array of frustration and anger upstate.

    In addition, Warren is engaging Trevor Lyman for a potential moneybomb that could put him on par at the run up to a primary. Most insider pols won’t buck the party with a primary. Warren will.

    There is also no real LPNY support for Davis. If this were a main party delaing with such an incident, reporters would be talking to party officials and downplaying the possibility. Those calls aren’t being made due to the sensational nature of the story, first and foremost.

    Of course, I’m Warren’s campaign manager and a bit biased as a result.

  3. Scott Lieberman

    Mr. Sundwall:

    What are the polls saying about the percentages for each candidate in the **Republican Primary**? Since the Republican Primary isn’t until September, let’s say Mr. Redlich gets the Libertarian Nomination, but then, months later, loses the Republican Primary for Governor.
    What are his chances, in that situation, of getting 50,000 votes in November?

    If Ms. Davis became the Libertarian Nominee for Governor, do you think her chance of getting 50,000 votes is less than, or greater than, Mr. Redlich’s chances if Redlich only has the Libertarian Nomination?

    I know this isn’t scientific, but in the week or so that Ms. Davis has had her political ambitions made public, Google searches show 4 times as many hits for her and “Governor”, as opposed to Mr. Redlich, even though Redlich declared – I dunno – several months ago?

    How much money has Mr. Redlich raised?

    The only reason this is my concern is that the National LP will not have to spend any of our member’s money for New York ballot access in 2012 if you guys and gals field a Governor Nominee who can get the 50,000 votes for the *first time* in the history of the Libertarian Party of New York.

    Scott Lieberman LNC Alternate, Region 2

  4. libertarianblue

    Robert

    As a frequent reader of Stone’s blog http://www.stonezone.com his hatred for Spitzer is very apparent and there are rumors floating that Spitzer wants to get back into public office so backing this woman might keep Spitzer from attempting anything. Also I agree with Eric, this is attempt by Stone to make the LP look nutty.

  5. Robert Capozzi

    es, well, you may be right, but I can’t imagine that works for Stone. A R svengali engineers an L run for the nomination by a notorious call girl, and that somehow sticks to Redlich? Could happen, I guess.

    Have things changed that much since the Weld fusion attempt? As I recall, it was the Conservative Party that put the kibosh on that one, mostly because Weld is pro-choice.

    Is Redlich pro-choice or pro-life? If choice, I cannot imagine the CP not vetoing him, which they pretty much have the power to do in NY, near as I can tell.

    If it’s Cuomo v. Lazio, Redlich does have the upstate angle…might help. Godspeed on getting the 50K.

  6. Eric Sundwall

    Robert & Scott,

    I’ll take a crack at an answer for both of you. In terms of the Conservative Party, check out Warren’s recent interview at the Empire Page.

    http://www.empirepage.com/2010/2/5/warren-redlich

    When we toured the Capitol last Monday and talked with the media – print, radio and TV, I can assure you it was of better quality and quantity that this week late story about Kristin Davis is providing on Google News. We have access to real media and the respect or real reporters.

    Keep in mind that Warren officially declared on Feb. 1st, not a month ago. So far we have have raised about 3K in the first week. I do not receive the checks, they go to his office. So it could be more.

    Ms. Davis won’t be the nominee, but won’t turn away the media circus if it arrives on April 24th at the Albany convention.

    Our hope is that Warren can attract the attention in media, polls and money that RP did when running. No guarantees, but the last celebrity attempts beat the party up pretty bad. The hope is that the faithful stick around and keep 50K on track if the GOP primary fails. A strong showing there in a traditionally low turnout, will reflect the real support we have in what is an otherwise unknown realm of ‘real’ voter symapathy/empathy. It could be very possible to get a 250K votes in a primary and not have translate into 50K once the lesser of two evil mentalities set in. But . . .

    If Cuomo is the nominee and is pounding LAzio with Spitzer like numbers, disaffection could come at the LPNY’s benefit, given a strong and viable candidate like Warren.

    I’ll keep on eye on this thread to respond accordingly. Only a matter of time until Dondero rolls in and challenges me to a fight. Happy to oblige btw, doesn’t violate and oaths and taekwondo is going well. I love sparring.

  7. Eric Sundwall

    rc – Warren supports reproductive rights, yes the Conservatives & CP leadership won’t do it. Enough individuals in each might, given the lack of any concrete proposed reductions of budgets, departments etc.

    The Stop Wasting Money campaign theme may rankle a few hardcore LP’rs, but it hits home upstate.

    He is pro-gay, guns and wants to end the drug war. Key libertarian elements.

  8. Eric Sundwall

    scott – keep in mind it goes both ways.

    The people who bring you Warren Redlich (mainly the Capital District LP) also provided the bulk of the petitioning organization for the 2008 presidential campaign. The LPNY also spent about 20K of it’s own . If there’s ever a time to help the LPNY, it’s every four years like now. We’ve gotten only positive assessment from current LNC and Redpath too. Which I also served on from 2006-2008, with you.

    I would hope that party loyalty, growth and potential does not always revolve around the possibility of celebrity, however circumspect.

    Ultimately it is my hope that our fundraising and volunteer recruitment reduce and minimize those potential costs to the LPNY & LNC.

  9. Eric Sundwall

    polls – last one was a Quinnipiac done of Feb. 3, which did not include Warren . . . the next one might and all others for NY have been contacted to do so.

  10. Scott Lieberman

    Mr. Sundwall:

    If I still lived in New York, and if Ms. Davis really is at least in the middle of the libertarian quadrant of the Nolan Chart, I would suggest running her for Governor, and I would strongly encourage Mr. Redlich to run for the Albany County Legislature, after he changes his voter registration to Libertarian.

    Again – I am not ordering anyone to do anything – I am just interested in why that battle plan would not help the Libertarian Party of New York. Ms. Davis would almost definitely retain ballot status for the LP, and Mr. Redlich would become the very first LPNY County Legislator.

  11. Eric Sundwall

    Scott – Warren currently holds office in the Town of Guilderland as a Republican. He’s run for Congress twice as one.

    There is absolutely no basis to think Ms. Davis could accrue the votes you suggest. That has been the faulty thinking for too many years. I’ve been going up and down the Hudson Valley, including Manhattan and rallying other upstate points around this campaign on just a LPNY basis, let alone the positive review from so many Republicans.

    Nolan charts are quaint, but real politics requires a lot more than a win locally strategy. We need 50K votes here in NY. As a hardworking member of the LPNY and someone who has spent sizable portions of their own money, I could hardly be on board with such a belittling campaign that Ms. Davis would provide.

  12. Richard Cooper

    Why would the voters choose Davis? A felon. Why would voters choose Redlich? A proven record in public office.

    She isn’t a celebrity. If you put sex and prostitution in a story it gets google hits. Kristen Davis who?

    Celebrity doesn’t translate necessarily into votes. The Republican Party recruited a number of football and baseball coaches and players to run for office, especially in the south in the Sixties and Seventies. Some won, but many lost.

    Celebrity candidates run through a publicity arc: So-and-so may run. So-and-so announces they are running. So-and-so is nominated. After that they have to run like everyone else.

  13. George Phillies

    If you wonder why our Naitonal Committee has such problems, contrast the wise and sensible analysis of Eric Sundwall @ 13 and Richard Cooper @14 with the LNC Alternate Representative’s remarks in @12.

    Consider that a major achievement of the LNC in the pastfew years has been to increase the thickness of its policy manual by nearly 50%, from 41 pages to 56 pages, almost all via the interlineation of parliamentary footnotes.

  14. paulie Post author

    Why would the voters choose Davis? A felon.

    Any convictions for anything that should actually be a crime? If yes, how long ago?

    She isn’t a celebrity. If you put sex and prostitution in a story it gets google hits. Kristen Davis who?

    Granted, there are different degrees of celebrity. She has enough to get a splash in the Daily News.

    That’s not an argument you should nominate her; just want to be fair.

  15. Scott Lieberman

    “George Phillies // Feb 8, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    If you wonder why our Naitonal Committee has such problems, contrast the wise and sensible analysis of Eric Sundwall @ 13 and Richard Cooper @14 with the LNC Alternate Representative’s remarks in @12.

    Consider that a major achievement of the LNC in the pastfew years has been to increase the thickness of its policy manual by nearly 50%, from 41 pages to 56 pages, almost all via the interlineation of parliamentary footnotes.”

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    If Dr. Phillies is going to interfere in an LNC election in a Region that is 2200 miles from his home state, he should at least have the decency to use my name in his comment. (Scott Lieberman)

    Gee, Dr. Phillies, I was going to vote for you for LNC Chair, but I changed my mind. I can’t vote for someone who uses the word “interlineation” in an IPR comment.

  16. Scott Lieberman

    Mr. Sundwall:

    I have absolutely nothing but praise for any libertarian elected official, such as Mr. Redlich. However, based on my very cynical view of politics, I think Ms. Davis has a better chance of retaining ballot status for the LP of NY than Mr. Redlich does.

    So – here is my proposal… If Ms. Davis is your Gubernatorial Nominee, she stays in the race through Election Day, she does not endorse the Gubernatorial Nominee of any other political party, and she does not retain ballot status for the LP of NY, then I will donate $200 to the LP of NY.

    If Mr. Redlich is the LP of NY Nominee for Governor, he stays in the race through Election Day, he does not endorse the Gubernatorial Nominee of any other political party, and he does NOT retain ballot status for the LP of NY, then you will donate $200 to the LP of California.

    Please reply on this thread with your acceptance or rejection of this proposal.

  17. Scott Lieberman

    Mr. Sundwall:

    Let’s make my proposal even more interesting.

    If Ms. Davis is the LP of NY Nominee for Governor and she does retain ballot status for the LP of NY, regardless of her withdrawing or endorsing anyone else, then you will donate $200 to the LP of California.

    If Mr. Redlich is the LP of NY Nominee for Governor and he does retain ballot status for the LP of NY, regardless of him withdrawing or endorsing anyone else, then I will donate $200 to the LP of NY.

    I apologize for breaking this up into two comments. If you accept or reject this proposal, please specify if you are talking about the one in the comment above only, this one only, or both together.

  18. Eric Dondero

    To Eric Sundwall:

    I support Warren Redlich. He’s a great guy, and an even better candidate. I hope he ultimately wins both nominations – Libertarian Party and Republican Party, and maybe even the election, like Dan Halloran just won the NY City Council seat in Queens.

    However, you greatly discount the Pizzaz factor. Face it Eric, Libertarian Party candidates for the most part are hopelessly dull. Even Warren falls into this category – his bio lists him as a “mathematician.”

    If there’s one thing the Libertarian Party and the overall libertarian movement needs is a little Pizzaz. The Libertarian Party needs to be “sexed up.”

    Remember, this is New York we’re talking about, not Alabama.

    Howard Stern did more to put the Libertarian Party on the map back in 1994, than all the other past LP campaigns in New York State combined. She will bring the LP an enormous amount of attention, and if Warren ends up beating her, which I imagine will be the case, imagine how powerful that will make his canidacy?

    This is a win-win-win-win for everybody involved: Kristin, Warren, the Libertarian Party and the entire libertarian movement.

    Eric Dondero, Publisher
    Libertarian Republican
    25+ Libertarian Party member

  19. Eric Dondero

    BTW, I think it’s incredibly ironic Eric, that you’re using Warren’s membership in the Republican Party as a Town Officeholder, Councilman in Guiderland, as a qualification for him having the Libertarian Party nomination for Governor.

    I think it’s great! From my diehard Libertarian-Republican vantage point. But isn’t it just a tad bit hypocritical for you? I seem to remember when you ran for Congress in 2008, you being highly critical of the Republican Party.

    I hope you’ve now changed, and are coming to the view that the Dan Halloran Libertarain-slash-Republican strategy is the absolute best strategy of all, most especially for New York State, (but also for Delaware, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and soon to be Colorado and South Carolina.)

    Welcome to the Club! Can we put you down for a Republican Liberty Caucus membership too?

  20. Robert Capozzi

    well, now, let’s give Dondero his due. It IS interesting that “radical” Ls are coming down on the side of a fusion candidate. I’m OK with fusion as well, esp in NY, where it’s easy.

    The Weld experience, however, surprised me. Even in a “liberal” state like NY, the pro-life forces in the CP virtually control the GOP as a litmus-test issue on a statewide basis, although the state is filled with pro-choice Rs.

    Litmus tests are contraindicated for the LP.

  21. Warren Redlich

    A couple things:
    1. The Tea Party movement
    I’ve got a good shot of getting their support. Davis might get 4 hookers to get signatures? I might get 4000 activists. I can’t see the TPM backing her.

    2. Media
    We have gotten good coverage. The AP picked up my announcement and it hit much of NY. Since then we’ve gotten a bit more on both radio and local papers like Hudson and (today?) Oneonta.

    3. A primary with Lazio will generate more press than the hooker angle. And the novelty of her story dies quickly.

    4. My campaign issues actually matter to most people. The focus is cutting spending. Read the site: wredlich.com/ny

    Warren

  22. Robert Capozzi

    Warren,

    Good luck with your campaign and the strategy you’ve embarked on.

    As you well know, and as Eric S. has experienced in his attempt to run for Congress, be meticulous in your petitioning and filings. If you’re going to force the GOP into a primary, beware of legal and extra-legal wrangling. They will pull out all the stops to block your efforts. In the process, they may even gum up your ability to run on the L line.

    From a distance, I do also wonder how real the Tea Party movement actually is, and how independent they are from the GOP. My sense is “not very” on both counts. Yes, it was an interesting protest vehicle, fanned by Fox News, but I don’t see them as a herdable voting bloc, more as a venting mechanism. Worth a shot, certainly.

  23. Eric Sundwall

    Scott – if KD is the nominee I will happily withdraw my time, energy and money from active politics and pursue whatever is in my self interest with a satisfied indifference to electoral squabbles.

    ED – I ran for Congress in 06 & 09, not 08.

    As a candidate my criticism of my opponents was based on what I considered poor active policy that reflected itself on the Democrats and Republicans. The Republican brokers always deal me a death blow at the Board of Elections.

    In 2006 Warren was the Republican nominee in the adjoining district (21st) and he represented me pro bono at the BOE against a fellow Republican. He did so again in 2009.

    I can understand why some might consider my advocacy of Warren as circumspect, but its rather simple. He has been a consistent libertarian on the issues. We are trying to capitalize on a specific political condition on the ground and obtaining 50K seems awful important to a lot of people.

    Letting Roger Stone dictate the scope of our top nominee is political suicide.

  24. Scott Lieberman

    Boy – I had no idea of the power I have as an LNC Regional Alternate. On two occasions the Libertarian Party of NY has rung up candidates/elected officials during the midnight to 7am period just to answer posts that I have made on this humble little blog.

    Mr. Sundwall – does…

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    “Scott – if KD is the nominee I will happily withdraw my time, energy and money from active politics and pursue whatever is in my self interest with a satisfied indifference to electoral squabbles. ”

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    mean that you accept, or reject, my proposal? I am disappointed that you seem so willing to take your ball and go home if your candidate does not win a given election.

    Mr. Redlich: You sound like someone who is willing to buck the establishment, and still vote for freedom even if it isn’t the best thing in terms of your political career. It seems that the Republican Party in most places hates Republican politicians who are willing to vote in a libertarian fashion.

    If Kristin Davis had zero interest in the LP of NY, I am sure you would give the Gubernatorial campaign the good old college try, but 7 or 8 or so previous attempts at getting 50,000 votes for ballot access retention have been unsuccessful for the LP of NY.

    I don’t think I have to remind the LP of NY that Grandpa Munster – GRANDPA MUNSTER, of all people – got the Green Party ballot status in NY back in 1998.

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    http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?m=200810

    It was more difficult to get coverage in the mainstream media. But Lewis’ personality drew a considerable amount nevertheless. He was the first Green candidate to be covered in The National Enquirer and other supermarket tabloids (ironically, these stories were more issue-focused than most in the “objective” media). He also got a lot of coverage out of his failed court challenge to get him listed as “Grandpa” Al Lewis on the ballot.

    Having got peoples’ attention, Greens then focused the media on their issues. They denounced both major parties for allowing one in four New York children to live in poverty, while the richest 20% made 20 times more than the poorest 20%, making New York the most unequal US state.

    Lewis fought to “Save NY’s Kids”, with demands for raising welfare benefits above the poverty line, creating jobs for all at living wages with the government as employer of last resort, establishing universal health care, and instituting progressive tax reform to fund quality public schools.

    At two well-covered news conferences – one on the environment in the Legislative Office Building of the State Capitol in Albany, and another outside Kodak headquarters in Rochester (as they announced their high third quarter profits) – Green candidates called for revoking corporate charters of repeat offenders of labor and environmental laws. They also called for the municipalization of the New York Yankees, as an alternative to letting its owner blackmail the city for a new stadium, with threats to move the team to New Jersey.

    Lewis and Green got the most coverage on criminal justice reform, establishing the Greens as a strong opposition voice to the growing prison-industrial complex in New York, where $650 million in the state budget has been shifted from higher education to state prisons over the last ten years.

    Lewis and Green spoke against the death penalty, against a new racially-biased law to eliminate parole and rehabilitative programs for violent felons, and against the war of drugs (which has become a war on black people that is filling New York’s prisons faster than they can be built.

    One of the high moments of the campaign was when Lewis was scheduled to be interviewed at a Buffalo TV station whose workers went on strike. Lewis talked to managment, they ‘hatched’ a plan and Lewis went to do the interview. Five minutes from the end, he turned to the interviewer, said now he had a question, pulled out a strike support sign, and demanded to know why the station wouldn’t settle with the workers. The live interview was cut off by the station at that point, but it was too late. The labor movement in Buffalo loved it.

    Local Green Groups Were Campaign’s Strength: The key to the entire state campaign, was the more than 30 Green locals that were organized by the end of the campaign. This enabled the Greens to overcome the obstacles of competing against so many other alternative parties, having very little money, being excluded from debates, and limited media coverage. The locals provided the volunteer base to successfully petition for the ballot line, to distribute tens of thousands of leaflets, and then turn out supporters on election day from a base built over the last decade.

    With such a narrow margin making ballot status (2,533 votes out of over four million cast), every vote, phone call, leaflet, and conversation to persuade a voter made a difference. If this shows anything, it put the lie to the notion that you can’t make a difference.

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    So, I will ask my question again directly to Mr. Redlich: are you willing to register to vote as a Libertarian, and then run for Albany County Legislature? I am not saying you have to do that, and for all I know your incumbent Legislator has been in office for a zillion years, but if Scott Brown can win a US Senate seat in Massachusetts, I bet a newly-converted-Libertarian could win a County Legislator seat in New York.

    Please understand – I am not making any kind of statement regarding Mr. Redlich’s qualifications to serve in any given office. These are solely my opinions on the vote getting aspects of this race, and they are based on observing politics and ballot access races for the past 15 years or so. I am betting that the “sex factor” will be important enough such that it will be easier to get the volunteers, the publicity, and then the 50,000 votes with a celebrity like Ms. Davis, than with a very competent, but non-nationwide celebrity like Mr. Redlich.

    I wish grown-up politics was not the exact equivalent of running for class president in High School, but, unfortunately, it is.

    I understand the questions I raise above are not enjoyable for Mr. Sundwall or Mr. Redlich to answer, but they are reasonable questions.

  25. paulie Post author

    I support Warren Redlich. He’s a great guy, and an even better candidate. I hope he ultimately wins both nominations – Libertarian Party and Republican Party, and maybe even the election, like Dan Halloran just won the NY City Council seat in Queens.

    However, you greatly discount the Pizzaz factor. Face it Eric, Libertarian Party candidates for the most part are hopelessly dull. [..] If there’s one thing the Libertarian Party and the overall libertarian movement needs is a little Pizzaz. The Libertarian Party needs to be “sexed up.”

    Gotta give Dondero that one.

    Remember, this is New York we’re talking about, not Alabama.

    Yeah, we don’t have that problem in Alabama.

    http://shop.cafepress.com/loretta-nall-boobs

    Howard Stern did more to put the Libertarian Party on the map back in 1994, than all the other past LP campaigns in New York State combined. She will bring the LP an enormous amount of attention, and if Warren ends up beating her, which I imagine will be the case, imagine how powerful that will make his canidacy?

    This is a win-win-win-win for everybody involved: Kristin, Warren, the Libertarian Party and the entire libertarian movement.

    Would Redlich and Davis debate? If so, maybe we can pull IPR blog talk radio out of mothballs.

  26. Scott Lieberman

    “paulie // Feb 9, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Would Redlich and Davis debate? If so, maybe we can pull IPR blog talk radio out of mothballs.”

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    I think the Governor Nomination is at the LP of NY Convention on Apr 24, 2010. If Davis and Redlich scheduled a debate a week or two before that Convention, I bet you would get at least two national cable TV networks, and maybe a broadcast TV network, to at least do a 60 second story on that debate. Maybe you could even get C-Span to cover it.

    You don’t want to do the debate at the Convention itself, because Ms. Davis’s presence will guarantee national media at the Covention even without a debate. (not nearly as much media as the Howard Stern convention, but at least as much as a Libertarian Presidential Nominating Convention, and probably more).

    Thank you for that idea, Paulie.

  27. Eric Sundwall

    Scott – It’s not a matter of tantrum, just better time spent. I don’t gamble, but would be happy to make a donation to the LPCA with a promise for one to the LPNY from you. No sense in pussyfooting around until November.

    While you seem to have an excellent grasp on the history of Grandpa Lewis’ campaign in 1998, your understanding of Albany politics seems limited. Warren is already one of the highest elected officials in Albany County. Changing enrollments and running a go nowhere campaign would just be bizarre.

    There is a debate for the candidates on April 12th for the LPNY candidates at the MLP. Warren made a previous commitment to a Tea Party in Buffalo that boasts over 3600 attendees on FB. If MSNBC or CNN is going to cover the debate, we’ll do that. But right now this Paladino fellow out there thinks he can run the Tea Party show. We disagree and think we have a better candidate and better chance as LPNY and GOP campaign. We’re not currently looking for advisors, but do keep an eye out at IPR.

    I’m not sure what Mr. Lieberman’s conception of a party is, but for me it’s been the people I’ve been working with the last five years in NY. We don’t always agree and have different approaches but we organize and bond with common goals. I’ll use the circus as it happens, but for me to devote much time or enthusiasm to it is another matter. Credico will be the celebrity candidate btw . . .

  28. GoodIdea

    No matter who is nominated, I hope someone at IPR or LP News or somewhere has the good sense to post a list of the hot, viable, important LP races for ballot status or victory, across the US, with some kind of analysis, funraising stats, and chances of success, so that potential big donors will have information about good options for making donations that can make a difference. No such info has ever been available, and most potential large donors generally just shake their heads and sit out the LP races.

  29. Scott Lieberman

    “Eric Sundwall // Feb 9, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    “I don’t gamble, but would be happy to make a donation to the LPCA with a promise for one to the LPNY from you.”
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    I take that as a no. In other words, Mr. Redlich’s own Campaign Manager is not confident enough in the campaign he is managing to make an easy $200 for his state Libertarian Party.
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    “Warren is already one of the highest elected officials in Albany County. Changing enrollments and running a go nowhere campaign would just be bizarre.
    Eric Sundwall”

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    I assume Mr. Sundwall is a proud LP Radical. If that is the case, why is it okay for you to heavily promote Registered Republicans, but you love taking potshots at Wayne Root, who is registered to vote as a Libertarian?

    Also – with no offense at all towards Mr. Redlich, he is on the City Council of a Town of 33,000. That is very good, but most people consider becoming a part of the Legislature of a County of 300,000 to be an upgrade. Or, he could run for County Executive, County District Attorney, or County Clerk. Any of those offices would be a step up the political food chain.

    Mr. Sundwall, why are you willing to overlook a person’s political party of registration when it is convenient for you to do so?

    I repeat my premise – Mr. Redlich would make a fantastic Libertarian Elected Official. Unfortunately for the LP, right now he is a fantastic Republican Elected Official.

    And, IMO, if Ms. Davis is at least in the center of the libertarian quadrant on the Nolan Chart, so she is a libertarian in my non-Radical opinion, then she would be a guaranteed publicity generator and ballot -access retainer for your state Libertarian Party.

    Please judge my comments on the basis of how much sense they make, given my attempt to be as factual as possible, instead of just dismissing them without using factual evidence.

  30. Trent Hill

    “If that is the case, why is it okay for you to heavily promote Registered Republicans, but you love taking potshots at Wayne Root, who is registered to vote as a Libertarian?”

    To be fair, much of Root’s opposition stems not from his non-radicalism, but from his abrasive attitude. I can say confidently that my website, IPR, has covered his various efforts more consistently than any other news source–this includes putting his name in the Google News filter about twice a week. Instead of polite thank yous or compliments about the website (which we recieve from many other candidates and parties)–Mr. Root has seen fit to be very rude to me and bad mouth my website elsewhere.

  31. Eric Sundwall

    Scott – I don’t gamble. I take risks, perhaps. I’ll just repeat my offer and let you hurl epitaphs and insinuations. Sorry it’s come to this. I have great confidence in the candidate and the strategy, otherwise I would not have put it forward.

    I have been reviewing Root’s book, but see no relevance to this discussion. The last 1/3 of the book could not maintain my attention and there was no need to continue. Read a great book about the Saratoga campaign instead.

    The Albany County Legislature would not be a good race for Warren. Applying a poor paradigm to a specific situation seems incoherent in my estimation.

    The LPNY is not an official party in NY. You can try to enroll as one based in a 2003 court decision, but it is frequently not done or regarded. That would be a great lawsuit for the LNC to pursue or assist in. If Warren were to do that and attempt to try and win in an overwhelmingly Democratic district it would be going backwards . . .

    You’ve played the hand of the unwritten agenda Scott, thank you. You’re opinion (that publicity will generate necessary votes) has no basis in fact and lacks sound reasoning. This discussion is necessary for the peanut gallery at IPR, but has extended my time too far already.

    I can be reached via phone or email, to interested parties. I’ve made my case well enough.

  32. Eric Sundwall

    I would further promote the candidacies of both Craig Bernt and David Andrew Gay for Assembly as Republicans and Libertarians. Until we get ballot access in NY, such fusions are politically reasonable and not completely ideologically incompatible.

  33. Scott Lieberman

    “Eric Sundwall // Feb 9, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    The LPNY is not an official party in NY. You can try to enroll as one based in a 2003 court decision, but it is frequently not done or regarded. That would be a great lawsuit for the LNC to pursue or assist in. If Warren were to do that and attempt to try and win in an overwhelmingly Democratic district it would be going backwards . . .”

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    So you are saying that incumbent City Council members in Guilderland and New York City would not be allowed to re-register as Libertarians?

    I would not want to be the Registrar of Elections that had to say that to an Elected Official.
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    “You’re opinion (that publicity will generate necessary votes) has no basis in fact and lacks sound reasoning.

    Eric Sundwall”

    I hope you don’t *really* mean that. ALL political campaigns are exercises in generating as much publicity as possible.

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    “This discussion is necessary for the peanut gallery at IPR, but has extended my time too far already.

    Eric Sundwall”

    My proposal to Mr. Sundwall will be valid at least until the LP of NY Convention in April, and I might even re-offer the non-moot portions of it after that Convention.

  34. Gene Berkman

    Scott @ 37 – registering as a Libertarian does not make Wayne Root a good spokesperson for libertarianism.

    Mr Root confuses libertarianism with conservatism more often than any RLC libertarian I know, and all too often comes off as a bigot, and certainly as an opportunist whose main cause is Wayne Root.

    Warren Redlich appears to be committed to personal and economic freedom, and has shown it in his campaigns and his legal work for the New York LP and for the Ron Paul campaign.

    I think standards are needed in judging candidates, and not just looking at their affiliation.

  35. Eric Dondero

    Warren, my friend, nothing will generate more publicity than the Hooker angle. Lazio? He’s snoozeville. Even if you ran an agressive campaign against him, people will still be interested in your fight with Kristin Davis 100 to 1. Already she’s generated a huge amount of major publicity on this.

    And look to the South for an example of what’s to come. Look how much publicity Stormy Daniels supposed race against Sen. David Vitter in Louisiana has generated.

  36. Eric Dondero

    Unfortunately, one shouldn’t put too much stock in what liberal-disguised as a “libertarian” Gene Berkman has to say. He’s not a Libertarian by any stretch. He’s a Far Leftist who has infiltrated our Libertarian movement. The Libertarian Party is full of Gene Berkman types, who masquerade as Libertarians yet soil our good name with their Far Out Anti-American views.

    If Berkman hates Wayne Root, that’s a badge of honor for Root, and greatly boosts his solid LIBERTARIAN credentials.

  37. Eric Dondero

    @ Trent Hill:

    Good for Wayne, badmouthing you. You deserve it. Offense fully intended. Your views on foreign policy are absolutely revolting, vomit-enducing, and downright disgusting.

    I’ll give you one thing though, you’re not quite as bad an America-hater as Gene Berkman. I guess you’ve got that going for you.

  38. Trent Hill

    Eric,

    My policies aren’t, and weren’t, in question when dealing with Mr. Root. Basic courtesy and politeness should be universal, methinks. I am not shocked to find you defending his aggressive rudeness, since you suffer from the same affliction.

  39. William P. McMillen

    What are we New York State Libertarians going to do with ballot status achieved by some gimmick. Minor parties in New York State have a hard enough time maintaining their independence even if they are able to attract a committed following. Once ballot status is achieved, the state law concerning organization and administrative rules all but guarantee that they will be co-opted by one and sometimes both of the major parties. Victory (50,000 votes) without structural organization would amount to a collosal defeat. The goal of the campaign is and I hope continues to be to build a viable party and to use it as a means to influence people’s understanding of what individual liberty entails and its benefits.
    Kristin Davis may be a committed and attrative candidate, but prospective candidates need to be judged upon their motives. Is she interested in building the Libertarian party, and if so; she should rid herself of the double dealing advisor. She expresses support for a number of libertarian issues, but what does she know about the economy and the many state agencies and public authorities that are bankrupting New York State.
    We remember the Howard Stern fiasco of 1994. With the encouragement of former Republican US Senator Al D’Amato, Howard Stern sought and obtained the nomination. Al D’Amato, one of the primary advocates for eventual Governor George Pataki wanted to disrupt the pesty libertarians and Howard Stern, as I publicly predicted the night before the nomination, withdrew his candidacy near the end of the petition drive. Who is behind the efforts of Roger Stone? It doesn’t really matter, because his history indicates that he is not be trusted. Evidence exists to suggest that his motives are merely to cause disarray for whoever he chooses to provide him with frivolous entertainment. No, hopefully we in New York will not be fooled again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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  41. Robert Capozzi

    wmm: With the encouragement of former Republican US Senator Al D’Amato, Howard Stern sought and obtained the nomination. Al D’Amato, one of the primary advocates for eventual Governor George Pataki wanted to disrupt the pesty libertarians and Howard Stern, as I publicly predicted the night before the nomination, withdrew his candidacy near the end of the petition drive.

    me: Do you have evidence that this was d’Amato and Pataki’s motive? It seems to be a HUGE stretch, since I don’t recall the LPNY’s candidate EVER being an issue in a statewide election. Why would they waste their time with a mousenuts issue from a numbers perspective? In NY, the GOP’s perennial challenge is keeping the CP in line and reasonably satisfied, yes?

    Stern introduced more people to the LP than any candidate we’ve ever had, near as I can tell. That few converted may be more of a reflection on the LP than Stern’s prodigious outreach efforts.

  42. William P. McMillen

    Robert:
    Al D’amato kept abreast of Libertarian Party activities and was well aware of the who the activist people were. In 1982, he inquired of others in the accounting profession as to who I was running for state comptroller. The person who told me this was one of major references whenever I was seeking new employment and he eventually became New York State Tax Commissioner under George Pataki. He was an occasional card player in Al D’amato’s circle as was Howard Stern.
    Connect the dots. My friend was also outraged that we libertarians had quickly found a substitute in Bob Schultz after Howard Stern dropped out.

  43. Robert Capozzi

    Hmm, Bill, I’m having a hard time tracking your conspiracy theory. It WAS known that Stern was friendly with d’Amato, as the Sen. was a frequent guest.

    It sounds as if this is some sort of personal thing against you? I can certainly imagine d’Amato asking about who “the other parties” are running in an offhand way.

    I’ve not lived in NY for a long time, but I seem to recall some allegations that d’Amato had mob connections, too.

  44. paulie Post author

    I’ve not lived in NY for a long time, but I seem to recall some allegations that d’Amato had mob connections, too.

    Fuggedaboutit.

  45. Ralph

    @47, Hi William…
    RE: “Once ballot status is achieved, the state law concerning organization and administrative rules all but guarantee that they will be co-opted by one and sometimes both of the major parties. ”

    What is the satae law problem, exactly? What would you suggest as the best way to organize and grow instead if you had your druthers? Or were starting the NYLP anew? Thank you.

  46. William P. McMillen

    Ralph
    State law requires organization on the county level and any county in which the membership is weak is subject to takeover by the predominate party in that county. Purpose – cross endorsement, extra line on the ballot, and anyone seeking to run for office then pretty much has to go through the county chair or force a primary by gaining petition signatures. Challenges within parties are often more bitter than those against minor parties.
    I would prefer a system in which the lines on the ballot do not belong to any party and that any designation of party or political support appear as secondary to the candidates name which could only appear once. Discontinue the funding of political party primaries and record keeping for membership in a particular party should not be a government function. All candidates seeking an office would have to meet the same requirement whether it be signatures, a filing fee or a combination of both. Parties would still exist, and would probably try to unite behind a common candidate, but no person seeking office would owe their allegiance to party bosses.
    We can’t play in that ballpark yet, but we can’t clean up the political mess in the country, in the states, and in many of our counties and cities unless we realize and emphasize the need for separation of politics and state.

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