Sarah Palin and Wayne Root Together on Same Tea Party Stage

Email from Wayne Allyn Root:

TV ad for biggest Tea Party in Nevada history…with national media coverage…and Root & Palin given top billing:

72 thoughts on “Sarah Palin and Wayne Root Together on Same Tea Party Stage

  1. paulie Post author

    Off to greyhound, so I will be offline for a while, but available by phone if anyone needs me for anything.

  2. Robert Capozzi

    hmm, this looks like a well-funded affair. Makes me wonder whether the Tea Party is spontaneous or Astroturf…it’s increasingly looking like the latter.

  3. LP Observer

    Research the “Tea Party Express” and you’ll find a Republican political consulting firm behind it.

    Like his request to the LPNevada not to run a candidate in the U.S. Senate race, Wayne Allyn Root is supplying the chloroform to libertarian-inspired tea party organizations to keep them from becoming obstacles to Republican candidates … or co-opting them to support Republican campaigns.

  4. James Oaksun

    At least Wayne acknowledges publicly, he’s going for the right. Though I *strongly* disagree with his statement Saturday night that the right was where all the money was.

  5. Where Are the Antiwar Speakers?

    Wasn’t the Tea Party movement founded by antiwar Ron Paul fans?

    Doesn’t look like there’ll be much call for ending the wars from this current “Tea Party” bunch.

  6. James Oaksun

    Robert, the money follows the ideas, the energy. If you have a good message and good messengers, you will have all the money you need. If you want to go get it.

    That was the message of RP’s 08 efforts. From nothing to an $80mm run rate in less than a year.

    The more notable example was Obama, of course. In 3Q08 he raised $275mm. That wasn’t “from the right”.

    My basic point in my campaign is, the current regime has never articulated a vision of success. Other than their current concept, which is to turn the whole operation over to Wayne. Now, I guess that counts as at least an “idea” if not a “vision”. But that idea is not consistent with why I am a libertarian, nor is it consistent with the vision — expressed or implied — of the folks I’ve been working with and speaking with in my experience.

    Where do we want to go, what do we want to do. You establish the vision. You set goals. Benchmarks on the way. And you Get Moving.

    Once it was written, “Where there is no vision, the people perish.” I would rephrase that to say, Where there is no vision the Party perishes. And all one needs to do, is look at the undisputed facts — the statistics of the last 10 years generally, and the last 5 years particularly — and it is abundantly clear the Party is perishing.

    Now of course the incumbent and his claque will say, they bear absolutely no responsibility for this whatever. I suppose that is their right. “Others may disagree.”

  7. Mik Robertson

    @8 Let’s put some perspective on the situation. None of the other political parties aside from the big two have fared any better over the past decade. If anything, they suffered far more deterioration than the LP.

    It may be that actions taken by ‘the incumbent and his claque’ prevented losses similar to those of the other alternative political parties. There is no question there is room for improvement throughout the LP organization. I think laying the blame for the performance over the past number of years on a small group will blind everyone to the other big problems facing the organization.

  8. James Oaksun

    So, in other words, “yes things are bad but they could have been far worse without their sound leadership”?

    I guess that counts as a potential defense.

  9. JT

    James: ” Robert, the money follows the ideas, the energy. If you have a good message and good messengers, you will have all the money you need. If you want to go get it.”

    You’re kidding, right? If you have a good message and good messengers, you’ll have “all the money you need”? Sorry, but that’s an incredibly naive view of fundraising. Ron Paul isn’t just a good messenger with a good message, he’s 1) a well-known Congressman and 2) a Republican. Think those things matter?

  10. Robert Capozzi

    jo, using a run rate for a political campaign is highly dubious, since campaigns are not recurring events, but rather short-lived ones. Aren’t you the guy with the prestigious MBA?

    I’d say RP was “from the right.”

    I’d agree that Obama was “from the left,” too.

    What I’ve not seen is a L campaign from the left that got much financial support. Unfortunately, from my perspective, Ls and lower case ls do better raising money from right-leaning audiences. More unfortunately, it’s often far-right-leaning audiences, as we learned during the RP 08 campaign, complete with NewsletterGate.

    Having a vision is great. If there was one large demographic I’d like to see the LP tap, it’s the suburban, disaffected Rs and Is who are fiscally conservative yet socially liberal. The 10-15% of the population that Boaz has IDed in his work over the years. That’d be a great start!

    Targeting outliers on single issues and attempting to “convert” them to the full-blown abolitionist L plumbline has never struck me as a fruitful strategy.

  11. d.eris

    I couldn’t help but laugh when the advertisement declared that we should join “Sarah Palin, Wayne Root et. al.” to “take our country back” from the “failed politicians.”

    lol.

  12. Straight ..........

    from the Harvard alumni club!

    Robert Capozzi // Mar 1, 2010:

    “jo, using a run rate for a political campaign is highly dubious, since campaigns are not recurring events, but rather short-lived ones. Aren’t you the guy with the prestigious MBA?”

    ——– No, no, no, that would be the former owner of the Texans!

  13. Debbie Shapiro

    This event looks like a carnival of freaks. I am a relative newcomer to the LP. I was brought there by a LEFT-leaning politician… Mike Gravel. The takeover by Barr and Root leave me wanting. I’m very socially liberal and fiscally moderate. I’m anti-war. But I don’t, however, believe the government is the big, bad evil that the Tea Party members seem to continuously spout off about. I think our government has done a lot of wrong-headed stuff and most of it is from right-leaning politicians, in my opinion. Things like the patriot act, DOMA (authored by Barr!), and either removing a ton of regulation on the banking/brokerage industries or underfunding the agencies that are meant to oversee them… These are all bad in my opinion. No one likes paying taxes and I’d like to see them used as effectively as possible, but I understand that taxes are the entry cost to a civilized society. The Tea Party movement just irks me at this point. It most definitely is astroturf. I’m moving on to the Coffee Party movement… http://www.coffeepartyusa.com.

  14. AroundtheblockAFT

    Which state LP had the most success over the last three or four years? (Define: success in terms of growth in membership, contributions, etc.) What did they do or didn’t do? Benchmark them for other state LPs to follow. If none have been truly successful, then it is certainly time to try something new.

  15. Richard Winger

    Indiana is probably the most successful state LP affiliate just now. It has a partisan office-holder on the Indianapolis city council, and it polled the largest share of the vote for Bob Barr of any state, even though the presidential vote in 2008 in Indiana was squeaky-close.

  16. @17 HAAA HAAA HA ROFL

    This country was built on Social Republic, The Democrap is at fault just like the Repulipuke. The Coffee party, I don’t think so.

    Liberalism is what got us into this mess.

  17. St. Louis Delegate, Maybe

    I don’t know why Wayne wants to be LP Chair. The do nothings will make his tenure miserable. He is dammed if does and dammed if he doesn’t.
    If Wayne had turned down the opportunity to speak at this event, they would complain about Wayne passing up a great opportunity to promote The Libertarian Party. They will never be happy until they drive Wayne Root and his supporters from the LP.

  18. Eric Dondero

    The ironic thing about all this, and I say this as a friend of Wayne’s, is that Sarah has a longer history with the Libertarian Party than Root.

    The Boston Globe reported in the ’08 campaign that her first campaign manager for her race for Mayor of Wasilla way back in the early ’90s was a “Libertarian.” Palin has a history of attending Libertarian Party meetings in Anchorage including two in 2005/06 when she was planning to run for Governor.

    This was all before I recruited Wayne to the LP in late 2006, with my now famous op-ed at RedState.com “Wayne Root, Libertarian for President?”

    Good to see that two celebs with solid connections to the Libertarian Party are finally teaming up.

    Sarah/Wayne ticket for 2012?

  19. Eric Dondero

    If there is one “Founder” of the Tea Party movement it is Eric Odom, formerly of the Illinois Libertarian Party. That chic up in Washington State – Seattle, a Republican, but kind of quirky, also lays claim to Co-Founder. I’m not aware of either being “AntiWar.”

    Odom has a long history of association with Sam Adams Alliance/Americans for Limited Government movements. Neither talks foreign policy.

  20. Mike B.

    I think Wayne’s view are more in line with the Republican Liberty Caucus than the Libertarian Party.

    Wasn’t he for the Afganistan war before he was against it?

    Tax cuts are good but any conservtiave preaches that?

    What about his views on civil liberties, illegal detention, torture, militarism, gay marriage/adpotion/gay’s in the military or the War on Drugs or the separation of church and state or abortion or censorship or private property rights or a sound monetary policy or immigration to name a few issues?

  21. Mike B.

    libertarianblue:

    If Wayne has taken a stance on the issues I mention in my intial remarks, please let me know where I can find them ?

    Brian,

    I’m talking about libertarian’s who are affliated with state and local chapters who have not moderated or downplay their views on the war like the Natioanal Leadership has done.

  22. Solomon Drek

    “If there was one large demographic I’d like to see the LP tap, it’s the suburban, disaffected Rs and Is who are fiscally conservative yet socially liberal.”

    What about Arlen Specter? When he ran for president in 1996 he declared himself to be a “fiscal conservative and social libertarian.”

  23. Anybody But Root

    I’d say RP was “from the right.”

    Unlike Root, Paul was loudly, repeatedly, and unambiguously antiwar. Paul was a “rightist” with broad appeal to youth, leftists, and newcomers.

    Root reaches out to the same old, same old Mike Savage, Fox News, Palinista crowd.

    Huge difference between Paul and Root.

    On the social issues Wayne is as Libertarian as they come

    Not quite. Root was loudly and unambiguously anti-gay marriage in 2007. He did a flip flop in 2008, suggesting that he was pro-gay marriage. More recently, he semi-flipped back, suggesting that gay marriage was a state’s rights issue.

    Wasn’t [Root] for the Afganistan war before he was against it?

    So was the LP.

    Not entirely. Harry Browne, the face of the LP in 2001, spoke against an Afghan war mere days after 9/11.

  24. Andy

    “Eric Dondero // Mar 1, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    The ironic thing about all this, and I say this as a friend of Wayne’s, is that Sarah has a longer history with the Libertarian Party than Root. ”

    But this does not make Sarah Palin a libertarian.

  25. Andy

    “Not entirely. Harry Browne, the face of the LP in 2001, spoke against an Afghan war mere days after 9/11.”

    And Harry Browne was dead on right about that.

  26. Andy

    “Eric Dondero // Mar 1, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    If there is one ‘Founder’ of the Tea Party movement it is Eric Odom, formerly of the Illinois Libertarian Party. That chic up in Washington State – Seattle, a Republican, but kind of quirky, also lays claim to Co-Founder. I’m not aware of either being ‘AntiWar.'”

    You can’t be for a huge, over-bloated military budget and foreign wars of aggression and support a small, limited government at the same time. Remember the famous quote, “War is the health of the state.” It is most definetely true.

    Support a giant military with bases around the world that engages in wars of aggression and go against the principles for which the Tea Party movement is supposed to stand (ie-less taxes and less government spending).

  27. paulie Post author

    hmm, this looks like a well-funded affair. Makes me wonder whether the Tea Party is spontaneous or Astroturf…it’s increasingly looking like the latter.

    The phony express is definitely astroturf, but many of the people attending are still grassroots, so it has elements of both.

  28. paulie Post author

    Let’s put some perspective on the situation. None of the other political parties aside from the big two have fared any better over the past decade. If anything, they suffered far more deterioration than the LP.

    The Texas LP, Ron Paul Republicans, Obama/Dean Democrats, and the ACLU have all done quite well. The last decade is not to blame.

  29. paulie Post author

    You’re kidding, right? If you have a good message and good messengers, you’ll have “all the money you need”? Sorry, but that’s an incredibly naive view of fundraising. Ron Paul isn’t just a good messenger with a good message, he’s 1) a well-known Congressman and 2) a Republican. Think those things matter?

    They matter. But the Texas LP is growing by leaps and bounds. 5x the contribution rate per member of national, 1/3 the budget of national with 6% of the members. They are starting to get 6 figure annual contributions which may become recurring and grow, and they might get others at that level. Plenty of activist participation too. Very little infighting. The board meetings are productive, no circular firing squads.

    This is not because they are more moderate than the national LP, either.

    And it is nothing peculiar to Texas. 10 years ago they were in disarray.

  30. paulie Post author

    I’d say RP was “from the right.”

    Yes and no. Much of the energy that propelled his campaign to prominence was left wing; the catalyzing moment was standing up to Giuliani on the war issue.

    Many Ron Paul supporters came from the left. Their energy and activism was indispensible to building the excitement that propelled all those donations.

  31. paulie Post author

    What I’ve not seen is a L campaign from the left that got much financial support.

    You could say Gravel, although he raised most of his money while still running as a Democrat.

    Harry Browne was more “left wing” than the candidates immediately before or since, and did better on money.

    See above regarding Ron Paul. I should add that Paul also made an issue of opposing the drug war, albeit too late – in defending himself against newslettergate. Amazingly, no objections were heard. He said end the drug war – and no one squawked.

    Many of the elements of the support Dean Democrats and Obama received were based on their disingenuous promises to curb certain aspects of government or the perception that they would – on peace and civil liberties issues and corporate-government collusion. You can say left-libertarian sentiments, although misdirected, played a large role in the elections of Obama and the Democratic congress. If you can’t, I can.

    Unfortunately, from my perspective, Ls and lower case ls do better raising money from right-leaning audiences.

    A) Snapshot in time

    B) Time is money (too).

  32. paulie Post author

    Having a vision is great. If there was one large demographic I’d like to see the LP tap, it’s the suburban, disaffected Rs and Is who are fiscally conservative yet socially liberal.

    90% of Americans don’t change political parties after age 30.

    College students average about 80 social, 50 economic on the Nolan quiz.

    Do the math.

  33. paulie Post author

    I’m very socially liberal and fiscally moderate. I’m anti-war.

    Mostly with you. I’m very socially liberal and antiwar too.

    But I don’t, however, believe the government is the big, bad evil that the Tea Party members seem to continuously spout off about.

    I do. And then some.

    I think our government has done a lot of wrong-headed stuff and most of it is from right-leaning politicians, in my opinion. Things like the patriot act, DOMA (authored by Barr!),

    True and true, although Barr has at least partially recanted. But keep in mind that any government that is big enough to do the things YOU want is big enough to do those things like the ones above that you do NOT want – and will.

    So, supposing I am right and your only choices are either

    A) A government that gives you DOMA, “patriot act,” endless wars, AND whatever good things you think it does or
    B) A government that does neither

    Which would you choose?

    and either removing a ton of regulation on the banking/brokerage industries or underfunding the agencies that are meant to oversee them…

    There’s where we disagree. It is the government which promoted and even mandated easy credit, and backed up those false promises with bailouts.

    These are all bad in my opinion. No one likes paying taxes and I’d like to see them used as effectively as possible, but I understand that taxes are the entry cost to a civilized society.

    There’s nothing civilized about organized plunder.

    The Tea Party movement just irks me at this point. It most definitely is astroturf. I’m moving on to the Coffee Party movement… http://www.coffeepartyusa.com.

    Wake me up for the cocaine party, lol 😛

  34. paulie Post author

    Which state LP had the most success over the last three or four years? (Define: success in terms of growth in membership, contributions, etc.) What did they do or didn’t do? Benchmark them for other state LPs to follow. If none have been truly successful, then it is certainly time to try something new.

    I would say Texas.

    Just wrote about the details, but it may have been in another thread.

  35. paulie Post author

    Liberalism is what got us into this mess.

    Big government/big business collusion with a military acting as the world’s police and a militarized police presence in the imperial homeland is not “liberalism”

  36. Bruce Cohen

    LPO@4 “Like his request to the LPNevada not to run a candidate in the U.S. Senate race”

    Errr… That’s almost a lie of omission and certainly misleading.

    I never talked to Wayne about the Nevada LP’s decision to choose NOTA, but I did talk to several other LPNV Members, Delegates and Officers about this.

    They felt, long before Wayne said a word about this, the two folks considering running for Senate as Libertarians would not be good spokespeople in a campaign.

    Wayne had one vote.
    And the Nevadans are pretty darn anti-Republican, ‘radical’ extreme types who wouldn’t vote for the Dalai Lama if they disagreed with him.

    So Wayne’s opinion and vote didn’t change a thing, and besides, I can’t imagine he was against the LPNV running someone.

    It was just, as most folks knew, the other Candidate(s) were not ready for prime time.

    This message this Author’s Opinion only. I have not discussed this matter with Wayne.

  37. Bruce Cohen

    Paulie@34 “The phony express is definitely astroturf, but many of the people attending are still grassroots, so it has elements of both.”

    So, as soon as people get organization, have PR success and raise/spend money, they are no longer ‘grass roots’?

    Seems a bit hypocritical and ‘catch-22’ ish.

    This pro-freedom, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights movement is as authentic as it gets.

    They the LP doesn’t have a bigger share of the ‘action’, so to speak, is a shame.

    It’s also due to the name-calling, bad behavior and laziness that infects most State LPs, including my home LP of California.

    Yeah, that’s right.
    These grass roots people have manners, know how to hold a knife and a fork, and actually put their shoulder to the wheel, and don’t waste all their activism time arguing procedure and gossiping.

    Yeah, that’s another part of why they don’t really want to associate with us.
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    Even though almost every Tea Party person I have ever met sounds totally libertarian to me.

  38. Straight ..........

    the logic center!

    [to paraphrase and add on to]
    paulie // Mar 2, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    [Our own short falls: unscientific attitudes on life, non metric measurements, federal reserve board, congress instead of parliament, ongoing fascist imperial global empire, insane (Greek scale) massive debt] is what got us into this mess.

  39. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bruce,

    You write:

    “So, as soon as people get organization, have PR success and raise/spend money, they are no longer ‘grass roots?'”

    No, that’s not it at all.

    When a long-existing, powerful, Republican lobbying firm appropriates the name of a grassroots movement, adds the word “express” to it, creates a doppelganger form for it, and pours establishment Republican money into that doppelganger, it’s not the grassroots movement any more.

    There certainly is, or at least was, a grassroots Tea Party movement. The GOP is attempting to co-opt it, and has largely succeeded. But in co-opting it, they also kill it and bring it back as an undead form of itself.

  40. paulie Post author

    The Boston Globe reported in the ‘08 campaign that her first campaign manager for her race for Mayor of Wasilla way back in the early ’90s was a “Libertarian.” Palin has a history of attending Libertarian Party meetings in Anchorage including two in 2005/06 when she was planning to run for Governor.

    So why is her record as governor, mayor, and VP candidate one of supporting and initiating numerous big government programs?

  41. paulie Post author

    If there is one “Founder” of the Tea Party movement it is Eric Odom, formerly of the Illinois Libertarian Party. That chic up in Washington State – Seattle, a Republican, but kind of quirky, also lays claim to Co-Founder. I’m not aware of either being “AntiWar.

    Libertarians have been holding tax day protests, some with tea party themes, since at least the early 1980s.

    The LP staged the first re-enactment of the Boston Tea Party, in Boston Harbor in 1997.

    The Alabama LP (Steve Gordon et al) were instrumental in organizing Tea Party(ies) in Alabama in 2003.

    The BTP was organized in 2006.

    Ron Paul supporters did tea party event(s) in 2007.

    LP Illinois planned a tea party in 2008. Rick Santelli joined the facebook group, and later made the TV speech from which the events took off.

  42. paulie Post author

    “If there was one large demographic I’d like to see the LP tap, it’s the suburban, disaffected Rs and Is who are fiscally conservative yet socially liberal.”

    Actually this group broke for the Democrats and Obama in 2006 and 2008, as we have previously reported here. Mostly on the war and war-related domestic civil liberties issues.

    It is true that before that they largely broke more to the Republican side and are likely to do so again in 2010 based on financial issues.

  43. paulie Post author

    “Not entirely. Harry Browne, the face of the LP in 2001, spoke against an Afghan war mere days after 9/11.”

    And Harry Browne was dead on right about that.

    Exactly.

  44. paulie Post author

    You can’t be for a huge, over-bloated military budget and foreign wars of aggression and support a small, limited government at the same time. Remember the famous quote, “War is the health of the state.” It is most definetely true.

    Support a giant military with bases around the world that engages in wars of aggression and go against the principles for which the Tea Party movement is supposed to stand (ie-less taxes and less government spending).

    Governments is like a beast; all its aspects grow together.

  45. John C Jackson

    The real coup is getting to share the stage with conservative heavyweights ( I’m not making fun of her Celebrity Fit Club gig) Victoria Jackson and Joe the Plumber.

  46. paulie Post author

    Bruce,

    I clearly distinguished between the phony express and grassroots tea party people.

    Not the same thing at all.

    Phony express is organized by long time NSGOP operatives. Look it up.

  47. paulie Post author

    Phony express is organized by long time NSGOP operatives.

    * Not Ron Paul style Republicans, I should add.

  48. Tom Blanton

    To neolibertarians, all Republicans, except Ron Paul, look like libertarians.

    It’s unfortunate that neolibertarians think the goal of the LP is to grow the LP as opposed to achieving a more libertarian society.

    It hasn’t been working out so good.

  49. Straight ..........

    from the third biggest political party in the USA (yeah, sure, right) ………..

    Tom Blanton // Mar 2, 2010:

    “neolibertarians think the goal of the LP is to grow the LP as opposed to achieving a more libertarian society. It hasn’t been working out so good.”

    and yet the LP [of whom I am extremely critical] is less wounded than the other members of the Loyal Opposition. Look at the sad sad fate of the dead (NLP) and dying (Reform Party/ Deform Party)!

  50. Jake Witmer

    I don’t expect too much from electoral politics. Without first becoming a movement of individual freedom that results in individual freedom, whoever we run will be running as “one more politician competing with other politicians”. Eventually, there will be a real movement for individual freedom in this country, probably emerging from the half-assed movement for individual freedom that now exists (some poeple in that movement are serious, most are not).

    I imagine that a real movement for individual freedom will instantly cast out warmongering infiltrators. (If you’re in favor of taxing the colonists to finance the British Army, then you can’t attend the tea party, and you can’t say you’re a “fellow revolutionary”, and you don’t get welcomed at the protests.) As I recall, something similar recently happened in California. Too bad it was short lived.

    The Anti-Federalists were right. They doubted that the Constitution would be sufficient to limit the power of government, and they rightfully criticized its weaknesses. But this doesn’t mean that the good elements of the Constitution can’t be strengthened. It just means that no one single check on government is adequate, by itself.

    Sarah Palin =/= libertarian, but she isn’t the worst politician in the world. (I say this as someone who doesn’t like politicians.) She is easily manipulated, and not a significant opposition to government power. She weakly supports gun rights and jury rights, and is not principled and educated enough to oppose government power in any other area. Her support of jury rights was explicit but not substantial (she signed off on the radical pro-freedom jury rights day proclamation by FIJA.org, but failed to pardon Frank Turney when she was governor. She could have really done a lot to reduce government power as governor, and she abjectly failed in this regard).

    I don’t think that the club of “good old boy” ex-Republicans that comprises the current LP will ever amount to much. They are mostly power-grubbing assholes who are totally disconnected from the common man (especially in the AZ LP, David Nolan excepted). They are all very comfortable, fairly well-off people who actually don’t want to do the messy, difficult work of talking to people who are very different from themselves (and this is 100% of “break-in” politics and coalition-building).

    So far, the person who is most cutting edge in the freedom movement is Paul Butler. http://www.letsgetfreethebook.com
    His suggestion of a rising mass movement towards decentralization of power and citizen-empowerment is the future of the freedom movement. …And he isn’t even a libertarian, he is just a libertarian when it comes to the most important issue: decentralization of power.

    Wayne is on the margin. He could rise to greatness or slump towards comfort. I’m glad he’s making inroads with the most legitimate-sounding part of the Republican establishment (the tea party express). If he’s with them, he can moderate their message and make it better. If he’s on the outside yelling and waving a sign, he has little effect. If he’s on the inside, he could even, theoretically, invite in the most legitimate sounding of those who are on the outside yelling and waving signs. More influence with any group = more success.

    I’ll be supporting Root at the convention, because he is the only person who has clearly defined goals, and a clearly-defined media presence. He is also the person who appears to be working the hardest at promoting libertarian views in public. Media presence isn’t easy to manufacture, and the work he does requires a lot of energy and connections that nobody else possesses right now.

    Similar efforts have come from John Stossel, Jesse Ventura, Reason Magazine, Radley Balko, and many others, but they don’t want to be chair of the LP. (And Ventura isn’t quite a libertarian yet, he also has a few misconceptions about the LP and the nature of government power. For instance, he recently publicly supported the reinstatement of a draft as a disincentive to war. …This is horribly naive.)

    Wayne is a good guy. He tries hard, and he has done his very best to “catch up” on libertarian thinking. He’s not quite as radical as Harry Browne yet. …He may never be.

    But I think he’s got the honesty, energy, and intellect necessary to run the LP in a vastly better way than it has recently been run. I also think he’s capable of understanding that petitioning resources should not be wasted, but should serve a dual function as outreach. (We spend ~$1,000,000 every 4 years getting on the ballot, and talking to people personally as they sign our petitions, and we don’t get thousands of new names signed up every year?)

    We do a lot of things terribly wrong. We market to comfortable demographics instead of irritable ones (ones seeking a new environment). We fail to oppose the worst of tyranny clearly, intellectually, and explicitly. As stupid people have started to get sick of the government, we’ve failed to continue leading, and decided to follow them (because that’s where the power currently is). I don’t favor this shift as a strategy, but I favor it as a tactic. We need to continue to provide the intellectual leadership.

    Instead of continuing to run to where the ball is going to be, we are running to where the ball is right now.

    I left the power parties, because Harry Browne’s message was completely different from their message. It wasn’t only different in degree, it was different in substance. There was nothing wrong with his message, it wasn’t a “compromise”.

    Growing the LP is a tool that will likely lead to a slightly more libertarian society. As such, it should be done as effectively as possible, using known methods. It should also be seen as something different than “Acting libertarian” or “Being a libertarian”.

    Acting libertarian is something that will lead to a more libertarian society much more quickly and with more reliable results. Acting libertarian means battling the state, interfering with the state’s goals, and failing to comply with the state.

    All strategies should be used synergistically.
    1) Run candidates for office.
    2) Build the Party using all manners of party building. (Each person should do what they’re best at.)
    3) Engage in jury rights activism, and videotape it and upload it to youtube.
    4) Engage in protests, and videotape them.
    5) Disobey all mala prohibita law, and gum up the (unconstitutional) court system by demanding a jury trials for those disobediences, whilre representing yourself. Don’t ever pay a member of the bar a penny unless he or she agrees to oppose the validity of the law itself (while draining more of the court’s resources).
    6) Interfere with the actions of the government, to the maximum extent possible that will allow you to remain free. (For instance, always take all the draft cards your local post office is giving out, and destroy them. )
    7) Access the media, write local letters to the editor. Sign up for local media in places where there are fewer voters, so it has more effect (like WY, NH, and AK)…
    8) Etc.

  51. Andy

    “For instance, always take all the draft cards your local post office is giving out, and destroy them. )”

    Great idea!

  52. Thomas L. Knapp

    “For instance, always take all the draft cards your local post office is giving out, and destroy them. )”

    Heh … I was in junior high when they brought back draft registration, and did exactly that a couple of times a week on the way home from school. I guess that’s probably the first real “activist/dissident” thing I ever did.

  53. AroundtheblockAFT

    Destroy them? I know people who filled them in with phony info and mailed them in. Must have driven the Draft Boards nuts!

  54. Ralph Swanson

    I would suggest the USLP LNC revive the old Speaker’s project to get regular appointments for the e.g. Chair, distinguished or media-getting Libertarians of all stripes, and the Presidential candidates past and present, not to mention people like Nolan, to speak at college, local service group, media informationals, learned conference and other venues as a matter of course.

    Speaking at colleges was a main reason for Clark doing as well as he did. He spoke at some 300 in his campaign. Such an office is a great fund-raising project so it becomes self-funding, and positions all USLP candidates.

    Not wait for a Root, Stossel or Demosthenes to show up once in a while, and the LNC appears to so many as so petty, disorganized and off-mission that a lot of people think that a silver tongue is a credible reason to have that person as Chair.

  55. paulie Post author

    Jake,

    I’ll be supporting Root at the convention, because he is the only person who has clearly defined goals, and a clearly-defined media presence.

    No, he’s not.

    Hancock is all of the above.

    Hinkle presided over a period of same as California chair in the late 90s and early 2000s.

    Phillies certainly has defined goals.

  56. paulie Post author

    I would suggest the USLP LNC revive the old Speaker’s project to get regular appointments for the e.g. Chair, distinguished or media-getting Libertarians of all stripes, and the Presidential candidates past and present, not to mention people like Nolan, to speak at college, local service group, media informationals, learned conference and other venues as a matter of course.

    Whether USLP or a separate group, it’s a good idea.

    Marc Montoni is trying to gather funds to hire a publicist to book LP spokespeople, but I don’t think that has gone anywhere yet.

  57. Straight ..........

    from disfunctional central!

    “Jake, I’ll be supporting Root at the convention, because he is the only person who has clearly defined goals, and a clearly-defined media presence …….”

    Huh ??????????? Don Lake

  58. Straight ..........

    from the agents provocateur ………

    Bruce Cohen // Mar 2, 2010:
    “It’s also due to the name-calling, bad behavior and laziness that infects most State LPs, including my home LP of California ………..”

    as Mister Cohen would know from personal experience ……….. Don Lake

  59. Tom Blanton

    Jake Witmer writes:

    “I imagine that a real movement for individual freedom will instantly cast out warmongering infiltrators.”

    Indeed – with “real” being the operative word.

  60. Ayn R. Key

    The Democrats, especially the more ass-hole-ish ones, love to argue that Libertarians are simply Republicans acting like rebels and that there’s no real difference.

    Thanks, Wayne, for telling them that they are right.

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