Chuck Baldwin: ‘Breakup Of U.S. Is Inevitable’

Posted by 2008 Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin at ChuckBaldwinLive.com:

People all over America are discussing freedom’s future. In short, they are worried. In fact, many are actually talking about State secession. In coffee shops and cafes, and around dining room tables, millions of people are speaking favorably of states breaking away from the union. Not since the turn of the twentieth century have this many people thought (and spoken) this favorably about the prospect of a State (or group of states) exiting the union. In my mind, this is a good thing.

Even many of those who oppose the prospect of secession understand the increasing tyrannical nature of the current central government in Washington, D.C., and that something must be done about it.

The Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines tyranny as “1: oppressive power . . . 2: a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler . . . 3: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force . . . 4: a tyrannical act.”

Even a casual observer would have to conclude that most of the actions proceeding forth from DC today match at least Webster’s 1st and 3rd definitions of tyranny. Besides, who would argue the advantage of the tyranny of an oligarchy over the tyranny of a monarchy? A tyranny of many cannot be distinguished from a tyranny of one in most cases–especially not by those poor souls who are at the point of the spear of Government’s cruelties.

The fact is, there is collusion between Big Government and Big Business (as each feeds and profits off the other) to strip the American people of their God-given liberties. Without a shadow of a doubt, had America’s Founding Fathers not sagaciously cemented the Second Amendment into the US Constitution, the Jackboots would have marched over us years ago.

That freedom-loving people are reaching a point of frustration–and even fury–is quite understandable. And State secession is, very properly, the last best option for freedomists to maintain fidelity to the principles of liberty. All of America’s founders understood this–all of them! And millions of modern-day American patriots are just now beginning to become reacquainted with this great, historic doctrine.

However, whether one subscribes to the doctrine of secession or not is quite immaterial. The breakup of the US is inevitable! Short of another Great Awakening, nothing can stop it. And given the spiritual deadness of most American churches these days, the prospect of a modern-day national revival seems remote at best.

It is a historical fact that no empire can sustain itself. And America is more and more becoming a global empire. For the sake of simplicity, I ask readers to ponder this question: How can one sustain a global economy without global government to manage and control it? Answer: One can’t.

This is why elitists in politics, economics, and the military have been calling for global government for decades. People such as George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Tony Blair, Walter Cronkite, Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Gideon Rachman, Warren Christopher, Walt Rostow, Richard Gardner, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Robert Pastor, et al. Furthermore, organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Bilderbergers, and the Trilateral Commission are constantly promoting regional or global unification. Moreover, institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank, the World Trade Organization (WTO), and, of course, the United Nations (UN) all contribute to the escalation of globalism.

I have written two previous columns outlining much relevant information on this very real promotion of globalism. See them at:

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=84

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=86

Therefore, it is safe to say that, for the most part, America’s foreign policy is (and has been) controlled and manipulated by globalists. Accordingly, America’s armed forces are used more and more as international policemen to patrol the streets of the world on behalf of this international cabal of merchants and politicians. The cover for this is the mantra of fighting an international “war on terrorism.” But the real agenda is, keeping our troops fighting in perpetual war so that they might be available to the globalists at the UN and US State Department (not to mention countless “off the books” operations being run by the CIA and a host of other agencies) for the purpose of maintaining the “global economy” (and only God knows how many illegal enterprises).

Perpetual war also allows the Machiavellians who desire to turn America into a police state to increasingly encroach upon constitutionally protected liberties by keeping the populace in a perpetual state of fear. After all, as long as our troops are “over there” fighting (and making) enemies, we will always need Big Brother to keep us safe “over here.” And the only way he can do that is by putting us all in cages; but hey, it’s for our own good, right?

And, of course, this new “global force for good” must itself be reshaped into an image compatible with the political correctness of the New World Order. Hence, more and more women are being placed in combat units. In fact, females are now the fastest growing group of enlistees within the US armed forces. And for the first time in US history, women are now approved to serve aboard submarines. (I am sure submariners’ wives are thrilled about this!)

“How does flooding the US military with women fit into the scheme of the globalists?” you ask. Simple. By reducing the overall efficiency and effectiveness of our military forces, it requires them to be part of a “coalition” force. Come on, folks, figure it out: our troops are always part of some sort of global “coalition” army. They always serve in concert with NATO, or the UN, or at the behest of some other global entity.

And please, I don’t need readers to write me with great indignation, calling me “sexist.” Get real! If women can serve in combat equally with men, why not have an all-female combat infantry division? How about an all-female tank division? Let’s have an all-female Navy warship! What about an all-female Navy SEAL team or Army Special Forces team? If, then, women are inefficient in combat as a unit, they are equally inefficient in combat individually. Wise up, people! It is critical to the globalists controlling Washington politics that our military be integrated with foreign entities. Allowing the weaker vessels to dilute the warrior-strength of our combat units helps to accomplish this in spades!

Folks, this new American empire is not sustainable. Mark it down: the American empire will follow every other notable empire of antiquity and collapse under its own weight. The signs are already ubiquitous.

In its attempt to entice illegal aliens (a necessary component to the globalization of America) by providing them with almost complete and universal welfare benefits, the Empire has saddled the states with a monstrous debt and has planted the seeds for its own fragmentation.

The American Southwest is a boiling caldron. Revolutionaries, violent criminal gangs, agitators, drug runners, human traffickers, and agent provocateurs–all loyal to Mexico–have been allowed to freely unleash their anti-American vitriol to the point that, in desperation, the State of Arizona is now trying to fight back. It is probably too little too late, however. Both the central government in Washington, D.C., and the national news media are sympathetic to the cause of La Raza. Look at how those brave legislators and governor in Arizona have been lampooned by the national press corps.

The call for the “reconquista” of America’s great Southwest will continue to escalate. It is all part of the globalists’ plan to regionalize the United States. The template is already in place. CFR’s Robert Pastor has already done the legwork. The North American Community (or Union) is past the drawing table stage; it is now being implemented. The NAFTA superhighway is being built and La Raza has been unleashed on the frontier. It’s only a matter of time.

Furthermore, take a look at the staggering debt that this government in Washington, D.C., has burdened the American people with. To talk numbers is meaningless: they total more than we can possibly begin to fathom. These numbers shock sensibilities and strain comprehension. In this regard, toss away all notions of partisan politics. Both major parties in DC have forever plunged our children and grandchildren’s future into a chasm of indebtedness so deep that it can never be recovered. Never!

Yet again, perpetual war has accomplished its purpose: unmitigated debt has allowed international bankers to print and loan vast sums of paper money that can be used to further their dreams of a global economy, complete with a mutually palatable system of burgeoning global governance.

I say again, the American empire is not sustainable; the breakup of the United States is inevitable. It is only a matter of time. The real question is not IF the US will breakup, but WHEN and HOW?

Globalists are already planning America’s breakup. Indeed, their plans for the future global economy DEMAND that America fracture. So, all of those who want to parade around and pontificate about the “unconstitutionality” and “impracticality” of secession can do so to their hearts’ content. It changes nothing. The breakup is coming.

What is yet to be seen, of course, is if there will be enough states (the last vanguards of liberty) with the foresight to recognize the rise of tyranny and globalism as it approaches, and muster the courage and fortitude to do what principled patriots and lovers of liberty have always done: draw their line in the sand for freedom. Call it what you will; debate the definitions and language all you like; it all comes down to the same thing: either men fight for freedom and independence or they allow themselves and their children to be sold into slavery. At some point in the future (how far in the future, no one knows), we Americans will, once again, have to face that decision.

In the meantime, keep talking about freedom around your coffee tables; keep writing about freedom in your books and columns; keep praying about freedom in your churches and closets; keep dreaming about freedom in your hearts and minds. Real freedom–where a man can be left alone; where a man can keep what he earns; where a man can make his own choices; where a man’s property is his own; where harassing agents of an oppressive central government are nowhere to be found; where a man doesn’t have to sell his soul in order to sell his wares; where a man’s worship of God is not subject to political correctness (or the IRS); and where a man can actually exchange commerce and correspondence without the prying eyes of Big Brother–is worth any price. ANY PRICE!

As Barry Goldwater said, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” Amen! And if the pursuit of freedom requires the extremism of secession, I say, LET IT COME!

44 thoughts on “Chuck Baldwin: ‘Breakup Of U.S. Is Inevitable’

  1. David F. Nolan

    Last October, when I spoke at a Students for Liberty conference, I said that I thought there was about a one-in-ten chance that the USA would break up into several smaller nations. Today, I’d put it at one in eight.

  2. frank

    Why does Chuck Baldwin constantly feed on the negative? He fuels the negative with his outrageous claims. He must feel it builds him up to be the bearer of such talk. Actually it makes him look like an unGodly gossip. Shame on Baldwin…he preaches hate not truth.

  3. Mark Seidenberg

    What about the break-up of California? The former state chairman of the American Independent Party raised the issue a few years
    back. I know that others governments and groups have made came claims on the territory
    of California.

    First it was La Raza, that took the view that the California Channel Islands are part of Atzlan,
    When the United States did not get the off shore
    California islands as part of the Treaty of Guadalope Hildago. This view was rejected by
    the former Spanish Consul General to Los Angeles who claimed the Islands where Spainish
    until 1898 and then ceded to the United States.
    Back in 1880, England got into the mix by a transfer of South East Farallons to Canada. The
    State Department had to deal with the Nova Albion issue again, not raise by the British Government with the United States Goverment
    since the War of Northern Agression. The State
    Department at the time claimed that the British
    transfer did not relate to South East Farallon Island (called by the Foreign Office as the Isle
    of St. James), because the Isle of St. James was
    in the North Farallon Islands and not in the
    South Farallon Islands. They did the same ploy
    with the Plover Group (near Barrow, Alaska),
    when State Department replied to the British
    Foreign Office informally that your view of the
    four annexed Plover Group Islands are not the
    same Islands which the United State Department
    of State determine are the Plover Group.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  4. Ed Noonan

    That would be me. Thanks Mark! I am going to destroy the Constitution Party because they refused to nominate Alan Keyes. I can’t believe I got away with taking away AIP from the CP. I called a meeting over the phone then changed convention location at the last minute.

  5. paulie Post author

    Hmmm, I’m guessing Ed Noonan would not actually link his name to the Church of Satan. If you are not Ed Noonan please do not post in his name.

  6. sit, sit, sit, sit ????????? .......... Lake

    4 responses so far ?
    *1 David F. Nolan // May 20, 2010:
    “……… about a one-in-ten chance that the USA would break up into several smaller nations. Today, I’d put it at one in eight. [Lake: one in five, especially concerning the freedom of the overseas territories and Hawaii and Alaska ………]

    * 2 frank // May 20, 2010:
    “Why does Chuck Baldwin constantly feed on the negative?“ [May be cause he is looking for answers, trying to solve problems ?????? If your car runs strangely: pay attention to the gripey mechanic not the smiley faced, cheerful pom pom squad ……….]

  7. sit, sit, sit, sit ????????? .......... Lake

    Not only can ‘Donald Trump Lake’ move objects with his mind, but the ‘problems’ CP has been having in Texas, and a half a dozen other places has been directly due to his puppeteer influence.

    pulling da strings, pulling da strings ……….

    *sarcasm*

  8. Mark Seidenberg

    Post 4 is a false posting and needs to be removed.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  9. Mark Seidenberg

    Reason post number 4 is false. The reason post
    # 4 is false is the 20008 convention of the AIP
    location was designated by the state central
    committee and not the chairman of the central
    committee.

    Thank you paulie for noting the false posting.
    Do you know how one gets false posting off the
    website, since Ed Noonan is running for the
    United States Senate someone is trying to use
    post 4 to injure Ed Noonan.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  10. paulie Post author

    The real Ed Noonan should email contact.ipr@gmail.com from an address that can be verified (preferably one that has been posted on his campaign site, if he has an email address posted there) and ask us to remove it. We can remove imposter comments if the person they are trying to imitate asks us to do so. Otherwise, it’s up to Trent.

  11. islamic finance

    Globalists are already planning America’s breakup. Indeed, their plans for the future global economy demand that America fracture. So, all of those who want to parade around and pontificate about the “unconstitutionality” and “impracticality” of secession can do so to their hearts’ content. It changes nothing.

  12. Cody Quirk

    Why does Chuck Baldwin constantly feed on the negative?

    = Because its the truth and he wants to tell it as it is; a cold shower in the morning is miserable compared a nice hot one, yet it wakes up the senses and rids away fatigue.

    He fuels the negative with his outrageous claims.

    = These claims are not outrageous; there’s plenty of evidence to back them up.

    He must feel it builds him up to be the bearer of such talk. Actually it makes him look like an unGodly gossip. Shame on Baldwin…he preaches hate not truth.

    = No, it is people like you that preaches lies and fuels the downward spiral of our nation- shame on you moron!

  13. Cody Quirk

    Not only can ‘Donald Trump Lake’ move objects with his mind, but the ‘problems’ CP has been having in Texas, and a half a dozen other places has been directly due to his puppeteer influence.

    = Coming from a man that can’t talk normally and now admits he likes gay porn and bestiality and sent that crazy package to Paulie- you are one sick bastard Mr. Lake!

  14. paulie Post author

    @16….@6 was, I believe, a false post as well (IE not from the real Lake). The crazy package was sent to the Libertarian Party of West Virginia, but many other state parties, candidates, etc, get them all the time from Mr. Lake. They are amusing if nothing else.

  15. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    Oh, even Cody is not THAT dumb!

    He knew what was going on: just like *yelling* at Don Lake when, with resources separate from Quirk, the Three Horsemen of Callifornia, paulie, he was aware of anti CP discontent!

    Yer being played, paulie!

    Quirk Boy: “you are one sick bastard, Mister Lake!” [am not, Mom and Dad were married, eventually!]

    [It is an honor to be called names by Lussenheide, Quirk, King, and Grundmann ……]

  16. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    http://www.saveourstate.ingo
    May 20, 2010
    PochoPatriot
    (PochoPatriot is offline)
    Senior Member

    Join Date: Oct 2009
    Posts: 195
    Default (Chelene Nightingale)

    “This must be what she was yammering about on her Facebook page Thursday (5/6/2010).

    You know what’s funny? Msr. Pocho pegged her for a conniver within five minutes of meeting her. Mrs. Pocho told me to watch my back, and sure enough I have the knife wound to prove it.
    __________________
    I think, therefore I love the Dodgers! “

  17. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk,

    In your post # 15, you make a comment about
    post # 4, viz., “the stuff this impost0r spewed is not entirely inaccurate>” It stated four facts and
    all were “entirely” false. Why did you say not
    entirely inaccurate?

    http://www.jewishvirtualibrary.org/jsource/
    Immigration/Text_of_Law_of_Return.html

    Note that Law of Return (Amendement No. 2)
    5730 – 1970 Definition 4 B. “For the purpose
    of this Law, “Jew” means a person who was born
    of a Jewish Mother…”

    Passed by the Knesset on 2nd Adar Bet, 5730 (10th March 1970 and published in Sefer HaChukkim No. 586 of 11th Adar Bet. 5730 (19th March 1970),p. 34; the Bill and an explanatory note were published in Hatza’ot Chok No. 866 of 5730, p. 36.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  18. Cody Quirk

    Why did you say not
    entirely inaccurate?

    = Even if the legality of putting Alan Keyes on the ballot and breaking away from the CP is still in question, it was still ethically reprehensible.

    That and the Convention location was changed at the last minute; wasn’t it going to be held at a Denny’s restaurant?

  19. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk Denny’s restaurant was a suggestion by one of
    the current members of the National Committee.
    However, the location was designated by the SCC at the Auditorium of the California Secretary of State Building on June 27, 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  20. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    Why is it your view that the State Central Committee voting to affliate with the America’s
    Independent Party is “ethically reprehensible”?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  21. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    Cody Quirk // May 22, 2010:
    Why did you say not entirely inaccurate?

    Even if the legality of putting Alan Keyes on the ballot and breaking away from the CP is still in question [Lake: only in Space Cadet Cody Banks Quirk’s twisted, biased mind!] , it was still ethically reprehensible [says whom, the little Nevada twit whom can not be trusted to say the truth?]

  22. Ca Voter

    hey mark, There is a man ED HALE he has this Plains Radio Network…its an internet radio show…He has Chelene Nightingale hosting her own show called the chelene report…anyway she was interviewing Bill Lussenheide…when ED HALE cuts in and says….”Hey y’all, do you know Ed Noonan?” there is this long pause and bill says “yes” and ed hales says ” well he comes on this show alot He’s a real nice guy” lol THERE IS SILENCE…then Lussenheide says “well, I am glad you like him” ahahha you can hear the whole show..in the archive…chelene has it on her website….funny stuff….

  23. Cody Quirk

    Why is it your view that the State Central Committee voting to affliate with the America’s
    Independent Party is “ethically reprehensible”?

    = Because it was done without the consent of the clear majority of the state central committee participating, and it was done at a meeting that was unannounced to most of the members of the state central committee.

  24. Cody Quirk

    Ca Voter (Mark),

    Why is it that Chelene is picking up these major endorsements and yet Robinson has been getting anything significant?

  25. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    may be it is the large and growing and long lasting chorus of anti Chelene Ward Nightingale criticism.

    Besides, little Mister Personality Politics, governance and the opposition to same is more than George Bush style phone calls and greeting cards and smoozing ……….

  26. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    The majority of the state central committee votes went to the affliation of the America’s
    Independent Party and designation of the
    Auditorium of the California Secretary of State
    Building for the State Convention on June 27,
    2008.

    You do not know what you are talking about.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  27. Cody Quirk

    The majority of the state central committee votes went to the affliation of the America’s
    Independent Party and designation of the
    Auditorium of the California Secretary of State
    Building for the State Convention on June 27,
    2008.

    = The one that was boycotted by most of the Jim King side.

    I was talking about that one before that Mark, how stupid do you think I am?
    You can’t play mind games with me.

  28. Cody Quirk

    may be it is the large and growing and long lasting chorus of anti Chelene Ward Nightingale criticism.

    = That’s being done by only a few people under different names, wow! What an idiot!

  29. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    Are you talking about the SCC meeting of August
    20, 2007 or the SCC meeting of July 20, 2007.

    It was the July 20, 2007 SCC meeting that Rayna
    Mike-King was removed from the SCC because
    she was a registered Republican.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party.

  30. LibertarianGirl

    Highjack—Cody , u live in Vegas or Reno? looking forward to meeting you this campaign season . Do you know what happened at Chris Hansens court hearing , i remember a FB event notification of some sort regarding this matter…

  31. Don Grundmann

    ” The majority of the state central committee votes went to the affliation of the America’s
    Independent Party ”

    Cody – 5 out of 17 total Central Committee members voted to disaffiliate on their fake phone call/meeting. They made sure that no one else knew about the meeting or was on the phone. Yet another outright lie by the master liar Mark Seidenberg.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  32. letters@usnews.com ????????? .......... Lake

    # 31 & 32 Cody Quirk:

    “how stupid do you think I am?
    You can’t play mind games with me …… ”
    [Lake: Cody has to have a mind, first ………..]

    [Lake: the large and growing and long lasting chorus of anti Chelene Ward Nightingale criticism ………]

    “= That’s being done by only a few people under different names, wow!” [Lake: make that lots of people under lots of different names …….]

    [Lake: More Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk style hype while knowing the bitter truth, like *yelling* at Lake’s insistence that various states were unhappy with national (so called) Constitution Party, while knowing truth teller Lake is correct all along.]

  33. Mark Seidenberg

    THREE DATES DON Grundmann (the man that
    claims he was elect to the Vice-Chairman spot of
    the American Independent Party on three different dates in June, 2008 at Los Angeles, viz., June 6, 2008; June 27, 2008; and June 28 – 29, 2008). Is now at the disinformation again.

    In his post #35 he asseverates that “5 of a total
    17 total central committee members voted to
    disaffiliate on there fake phone call/meeting.
    They made sure that no one else made knew about the meeting or was on the phone”.

    Insanity is the only way to respond to post #35.
    The AIP had 21 officers, yet Grundmann claims
    the total of the SCC was at 17. He talks about a fake telephone call/meeting. The AIP does not
    have its meetings by fake phones. His post is
    just off the wall.

    What happened on June 27, 2008, the AIP SCC
    hade a meeting (without any fake phones) and
    voted to affliate with the America’s Independent
    Party. The Constitution Party is just past history.

    Warning! Don Grundmann has not been on the AIP State Central Committee since September 2, 2008. He has never been the Vice Chairman
    of the Americaqn Independent Party. The AIP
    has never been a branch of the Constitution Party.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  34. Don Grundmann

    Another day, even another hour, and another lie by Mark SeidenRat. Even if there were 21 members, which there were not, that is even farther from a quorum when only 5 people voted. Unbelieveable that you can NEVER tell the truth. How pathetic!!

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  35. Amen, amen, amen ????????? .......... Lake

    How those pink SUV caravaned predatory gays doing on their summer Recruitment Tour ???????? How those public educators and their Sexual Fisting 101 classes doing ?????????? Lots of repeat business ?????????

    Mark can NEVER tell the truth, NEVER ?????????

  36. Don Grundmann

    ” Mark can NEVER tell the truth, NEVER ?”

    Response – Yes, he will always be a liar just as you will always be ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  37. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grundmann will alway be THREE DATES DON, because he gives the false claims he was elected Vice-Chairman on three different dates
    in June, 2008, June 6, 2008, June 27, 2008,
    and June 28 – 29, 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  38. Don Lake

    the growing anti Chelene Ward Nightingale chorus has deep roots:

    “Patriot Says:
    February 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Hey if anyone is unstable is Ms. Nightingales campaign manager…lol this guy is loony tunes. I have read him attacking people on chat blogs cussing and ranting. Not professional in the slightest. If thats the Best Chelene Nightingale can dig up to represent her she is in dire shape. She should fire that slug. He does her campaign NO good. ”

    “Several people I know Have been totally turned off from her campaign from reading his posts. They were considering her till then. Time to do some serious thinking.”

  39. Don Grundmann

    ” the growing anti Chelene Ward Nightingale chorus has deep roots:”

    Response – to ” The Fool ” – ” Patriot ” is another fake name that Mark SeidenRat writes under. You have simply taken the psychotic comments of a psychotic and then claim them to be representative of something totally new. Yet another typical lie from you but what else can we expect from ” The Fool?” I am so proud of Chelene and the wonderful work that she is doing. She keeps on battling for the people and our nation despite totally vicious and completely lying attacks by ultra corrupt liars and totally sick moronic nitwits like you. She has honor, integrity, and dignity. You are simply, and worth as much as, a fart in the wind.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

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