Virgil Goode to Endorse Chelene Nightingale

I just received an e-mail announcing that former Virginia 5th District Congressman, Virgil Goode, is endorsing Chelene Nightingale for
Governor of California. It advised that a written endorsement will follow.

259 thoughts on “Virgil Goode to Endorse Chelene Nightingale

  1. RedPhillips Post author

    Note that I filed this under both the Constitution Party and Right-Wing Minor Parties designation. Hope that makes Mr. Lake happy.

    Also, allegations that are personal and not political in nature should be accompanied by some substantiation (what a concept). Let’s keep this one clean.

  2. NewFederalist

    Keep it clean? This is Chelene Nightingale we’re talking about NOT Florence Nightengale!

  3. Mark Seidenberg

    The good new that no one knows Virgil Goode in California.
    It looks like he will not be running for President in the AIP
    primary in California after this stunt.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

  4. Don Grundmann

    ” It looks like he will not be running for President in the AIP
    primary in California after this stunt.”

    Response – Virgil Goode will be welcome to campaign in the AIP Presidential primary.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  5. Catholic Trotskyist

    NewFederalist, remember there are two Dons, not just one! Which one do you want to jump in?

    On topic, I am glad that Goode is endorsing Chelene. The faster the right-wing minor parties and Constitution Party gather steam and become successful, the faster Democrats will come to power; then facing the right-wing pressure on social issues, they will dump the feminists, gays and abortionists, and thus, we will have Catholic Trotskyism. Soon the whole world will be put under Catholic Trotskyism or Muslim Trotskyism, and there is nothing the Tea Party, et al. can do to stop it.

  6. NewFederalist

    Oh… right. Two Dons. I wanted Lake to jump in and tell someone else to go jump in the lake!

  7. Mark Seidenberg

    Warning!

    Don Grundmann has not been on either the National Committee or State Central Committee
    of the American Independent Party, since September 2, 2008.

    Markham Robinson is the Chairman of the American Independent Party. Don Grundmann
    holds no Chairmanship in any part of the
    American Independent Party.

    The relationship between the American Independent Party and the Constitution Party
    ended on June 27, 2008. On June 27, 2008,
    the State Central Committee of the American
    Independent Party affiliated with the America’s
    Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan.

    On August 12, 2010, in Oakland, CA at a courthouse, Patrick Colglazier was elected
    Chairman, of the Alameda County Central
    Committee of the American Independent Party.
    Ina Grundmann (Don Grundmann’s Mom) did
    not show up at the Alameda County Central
    Committee meeting of the American Independent Party, but still they had a quorum
    of these central committee members.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
    affliated with the America’s Independent Party,
    since June 27, 2008.

  8. Peter Gemma

    er sorry to interrupt the usual looniness – but more to the point of this story – Goode will be a great fund raising asset for Chelene Nightingale if he does some events in CA and if his signature is used in national direct mail fund raising. She’s about the best Constitution Party candidate running this year (for major office), so I hope the national party leaders direct some serious attention her way.

  9. Mark Seidenberg

    Peter Gemma,

    You state that “She [Chelene Nightingale] about
    the best Constitution Party candidate running this year (for major office),…” If that be true the
    Constitution Party must be currently in a very
    sorry state of affairs. In the California Primary
    she only received 24,000 votes. Party registration was 397,000 plus. The last poll I
    saw she was running around one percent.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

  10. Don Grundmann

    Chelene Nightingale is running a wonderful campaign for Governor with the consideration that she is continuously attacked both in person and across the Internet by the Robinson/Seidenberg corruption faction of the AIP. Her integrity and wonderful character are carrying her on despite the relentless lies and smears against her by the corruption faction.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  11. Catholic Trotskyist

    Mark, why do you point out that Don Grundman’s mom didn’t show up to the meeting? Did your mom show up?

  12. -

    How could Chelene Nightingale for governor be the best candidate a person who 1) Filede for personal bankruptcy and foreclosure…has her campaign filed with the SEC as this Chelene Nightingale /Legal defense fund…a uneducated loud mouth…with zero chance of winning dog turd of the month. This is a con artist….who is ‘WHORE -A-BLE!!” and you can quote me……:)

  13. paulie

    I don’t care much for Ms. Nightingale’s views on some issues, including her signature issue of immigration, but all these personal attacks are getting old.

  14. M Wright

    At what point does this nightingale, stop begging for moeny for a campaign that is going NOWHERE?? How this sickening con artist can keep bilking people for money to pay her own debts is beyond belief. This fraud is so brazen she will be begging for cash 1 day before the election. Wake up people, this is the oldest trick in the book, she has been accused of this stuff before with the minutemen…email Jim Gilchrist he will fill you on on this vile person. infact google Chelene Nightingale minutemen…page fater page of her crimes. I will not stop until this con artist is put out of business. Innocent people elderly do not deserve to be duped any longer! I am contacting the federal elctions board to investigate her bogus campaign donations. This is going to stop and fast!!

  15. Cody Quirk

    In the California Primary
    she only received 24,000 votes. Party registration was 397,000 plus. The last poll I
    saw she was running around one percent.

    = Yeah, funny that your guy, Robinson, only got a little over 17,000 votes in the same primary.
    And Noonan only got over 16,000 votes in the US Senate primary.

    Geeze Seidenberg, you really are losing it!

  16. Cody Quirk

    And yes, it was true what Paulie said about me.

    However I have already moved on to another news site and now, and also have my own blog up and running.

    Plus, unlike deranged losers like Lake, I do have a social life, and I’m not always going to be stalking here, because I do actually go out and have fun where I live, unlike Lake.

    However I

  17. martini

    on a “askmeg” webpage there is a woman there that has dug up all kinds of info on Nightingale…and she is spreading all over. Nightingale needs to come clean, before she is outed and really embarrassed. Shawna Forde accused murderer, who was good friends with Nightingale when both were “vigilante’s with the minutmen, this information about nightingale and her associates that murder 9 year old immigrants will be the death nail in this fakes campaign! Buh byeee

  18. Don Grundmann

    Yet another fake name ( ” martini ” ) that the documented ( at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com ) criminal Mark Seidenberg writes under. Accusing others of make-believe crimes while covering up his own criminality and his work for the ADL and the SPLC.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  19. D Wright

    Sorry, But this Chelene Nightingale has a huge past with radical vigilantes that try to take the law into their own hands. Unfortunately a 9 year old child was murdered and her father! Due to their attempts to “safeguard the border?” This is a disgusting fact that this woman seems to want to bury, but the evidence is clear. She hung out with these horrible people, this speak volumes. She is not fit to hold any elected office. The word is out and is spreading. The voters will be informed!
    (whats wrong with a little light shone in on this darkness?)

  20. D Wright

    btw the triall has yet to be held, lets see when Nightingale gets called to the stand for her part in this. We will let the judge and jury decide. I am just informing the public who this woman nightingale has hung out with and continues to hang out with. Mr. Cody, why the swearing? You know swearing is the last defense for someone without a case.

  21. D Wright

    Oh and Mr. Cody, I’d be careful what you post as it seems you got yourself in a heap of trouble, reprinting stories without the other parties consent. Copywrite infringement. take care

  22. Davi Rodrigues

    Chelene was an early supporter of Forde, but that’s mainly because she was trying to align with anyone who could propel her own fame. Chelene did cut away from Forde, but again, mainly to propel her own fame. She was always sidling up to people who had a little fame that she could hijack, but later the habit was to then villainize them and make a big deal out of it as to steal their spotlight. With that said, it is not as if she encouraged or took part in any of Forde’s alledged crimes. Chelene’s crime in this case is purely self importance and egotistical. It may have an unintended backlash, but that’s to be expected when you don’t scrutinize your relationships. This is precisely what I’m fearful of in people like Arpaio, Tancredo, and Virgil Goode lending Chelene their names. I think it’s gonna come around and bite them when her true feathers are further disclosed

  23. Markie mark

    have yet to see the letters that actually endorse her, just self written posts. What a hack. She is grasping at straws now. Boy, they sure got her number over at the “askmeg” website. Nightingale supporter, trying to push her over there got his ass handed to him in a handbag, by a woman that did research on Nightingale and posted all the stuff about her past with the minutmen, also posted her campaign filing info, that her cmapign raised 16,000 dollars and have spent 14, 000 and that she did not file her papers on campaign finance on time. Man, her supporters were speechless. This woman reamed them. (it was quite funny) go to askmeg under illegal immigrants. Yeah the word is out ha about her and the word is ‘ FRAUD!!”

  24. Reporter

    I have a question., Ron Paul backs the mosque at ground zero, how does the CP feel about that, since they are huge supporters of Ron paul.???

  25. Just a mother

    um, I have a questions, since this Nightingale is a “homeschooling mother” who has been homeschooling her kid, while she gallops all over to promote the “campaign” ?? I am just saying I don’t think her husband is he’s in some rock band (at age 43?) anywho, I am just asking…and btw don’t say its been summer break cause for the last 2 years she has been trotting around, when maybe she should be paying attention to a growing youg lad that probably needs some attention. (just a thought)

  26. Cody Quirk

    D Wright, AKA Seidenberg, how about you post under your real name, coward.

    Nightingale fought against Forde’s involvement to the point that she was hostile against her, and your guilt-by-association isn’t working.
    Would Rosalynn Carter be guilty of supporting rapist & murder John Wayne Gacy just because he was an active Democratic Party activist then and was photographed with her?
    No.

    Case settled!

  27. D Wright

    Who am I? lol as for case settled, no the murder case will be up next year, and her associations with this type of lowlife speaks volumes. But, keep on defending her, you fit in quite nicely with these bottom feeders. (wink)

  28. D Wright

    Mr. Davi seems to know quite a lot about This Nightingale person, her running for an office seems to be not very well thought out, as she has to have people running all over trying hide her past? Ah, you are not experienced in politics, you will be found out, and its not looking real good for this candidate. There is someone on the askmeg web site that has dug up so much about nightingales past, all documented thats it will fair better for this poor woman to just fess up. The hiding and her defense team, are not helping her case. cheer up, she’ll be free to carry on with her “immigrant hate groups” after november. Maybe you can join her, on street corners, flailing your arms for attention. (Geebus) (eyeroll)

  29. D Wright

    I just spoke to someone that told me Nightingale and Shawna Forde were great friends.. Not just ships passing in the night. But, keep trying! 🙂 hey have a nice labor day……

  30. Don Grundmann

    Another day and we have Mark Seidenberg writing and lying ( yet again ) under multiple fake names ( D Wright, Just a mother, Markie mark ) which all have 2 similar characteristics – A) they never mention the literal criminality of the Robinson crime gang, of which Seidenberg is the bag man and key member, in deliberately filing fake documents with the California SOS office; and B) they smear Chelene for associations with others while Seidenberg is connected directly to criminal elements. And now Seidenberg attacks Chelene regarding her relationship with her son. Truly he is not simply a sociopathic liar but one of the most corrupt people in our entire nation; and while that takes a lot of work he is more than up to the task as his corruption, as with his handlers/controllers, is endless.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  31. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – The more you comment the more happy I am that the AIP, the newly formed Constitution Party, and all of our associates will have nothing to do with you. You could have done some good work but instead you are far more focused on spreading your internal poison. Have fun. All by yourself. The rest of us will be doing the heavy lifting against illegal immigration.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  32. Cody Quirk

    Who am I? lol as for case settled, no the murder case will be up next year, and her associations with this type of lowlife speaks volumes. But, keep on defending her, you fit in quite nicely with these bottom feeders. (wink)

    = I know you are, with poor evidence, but what am I?

  33. Cody Quirk

    And on the poster Don Lake, who also posts under different names here…

    http://www.cdva.ca.gov/AboutUs/DocsAndImages/BoardMinutes/julmin02.pdf

    “…Dr. Feldman asked Mr. Lake for his assessment of his psychiatric condition. Mr. Lake said suffered from depression, sleeplessness and fatigue. He classified his depression as moderate. Dr. Feldman asked if the depression caused him to keep to himself and behave in an introverted way and not interact with others or does it manifest itself in “grandiosity”—notions of self-importance, notions of people being dissatisfied with his behavior. Mr. Lake agreed that his depression manifests itself through sleeplessness and fatigue. When asked if he thought he intimidated people, Mr. Lake replied he did when he is on the defensive. When asked if it happened often, he said outside of Cal-Vet, it happened rarely. Dr. Feldman pointed out that this is all about Cal-Vet and entry into a Veterans Home. Mr. Lake says the lack of structure hurts him. He believes his condition has grown worse since being removed from the Veterans Home at Barstow. Dr. Feldman asked if bi-polar disorder had ever been discussed…”

    “…Mr. Jackson agreed and said that is why Mr. Lake cannot be admitted into the Chula Vista
    Veterans Home. It is a community of veteran residents and there are no facilities for psychiatric patients.”

    “The staff at the Barstow home tried
    to work with Mr. Lake so that he could stay in the home. The conduct violations continued, and still he was not discharged. They took another 60 days to try to find him a facility that could help him.
    However, there were more conduct violations, he refused to seek the psychiatric help he needed and the Department finally had to go to court to force him from the Barstow Veterans Home. Mr. Lake appealed the decision, but it was upheld on appeal. Mr. Jackson called on Tom Arnold, Administrator of the Veterans Home.
    Mr. Arnold testified he had interviewed Mr. Lake in November 2000. Mr. Lake told Mr. Arnold that the staff at Barstow had been out to get him and were “railroading” him out of the home. He said all charges against him were fabricated and there was no basis for the conduct violations he received.
    There had been an incident at a meeting of the California Veterans Board in calendar year 2000 where he wrapped toilet paper around his head. When asked his purpose in doing that, he claimed it was an expensive means of head protection.
    Mr. Arnold said Mr. Lake had also made a number of threatening telephone calls to members of his staff at the Chula Vista home. Mr. Arnold read his letter to Mr. Lake denying him entry into the Veterans Home at Chula Vista based upon records and interviews and a determination that the care necessary for Mr. Lake is not available at the Chula Vista facility.
    Mr. Jackson called on Karen Carter, a Psychiatric Social Worker and the Veterans Home in Chula Vista. She testified she had a Master’s Degree in Social Work.
    She sat in on a meeting with Mr. Arnold and Mr. Lake as an observer. She described Mr. Lake’s demeanor during the meeting. She said he was very agitated, demonstrated anger verbally and through arm gestures, and denied having any responsibility for any of the problems reported by the Barstow Veterans Home.
    She said Mr. Lake appeared to be delusional and paranoid individual who externalizes problems by placing blame on others.”

    Mark Seidenberg is probably just as crazy for having such a character like Don Lake in the AIP; even if it was only to spite Grundmann. Seidenberg and even Robinson have hurt their credibility even more on associating with a this man, who can be legally considered 51-50 and easily committed in any California institution.

  34. Davi Rodrigues

    Chelena’s scam appeal failed. The original judgement was upheld, and Chelena didn’t even bother to show

    8/31/2010 TRIAL DE NOVO OF A SMALL CLAIMS.
    THE ABOVE ENTITLED CA– USE CAME ON REGULARLY AT THIS TIME TODAY FOR HEARING WITH PARTIES PRESENT AS FOLLOWS:
    FRANCISCO GASPAR JORGE (PL-1) APPEARS IN PROPRIA PERSONA.
    MICHAEL BENJAMIN NIGHTINGALE (DE-2) APPEARS IN PROPRIA PERSONA.
    DEFENDANT, CHELENE HOPE NIGHTINGALE APPEARS BY PHONE.
    PLAINTIFF IS DULY SWORN AND TESTIFIES.
    MICHAEL NIGHTINGALE AND CHELENE NIGHTINGALE DULY SWORN AND TESTIFIES ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENSE.
    EXHIBIT LIST ATTACHED AND MADE A PART HEREOF.
    JUDGMENT FOR PLAIONTIFF AGAINST DEFENDANTS, CHELENE HOPE NIGHTINGALE AND MICHAEL BENJAIME NIGHTINGALE, JOINTLY AND SEVERALY FOR PRINCIPAL $6200.00 PLUS COSTS OF $165.00.
    NOTICE TO ISSUE FROM THE COURT.
    THE COURT ORDERS AS FOLLOWS: EXHIBITS RETURNED TO THE OFFERING PARTY.
    THE COURT ORDERS ADJOURNMENT

  35. She can't pay her bills, cause she busy stumping for attention

    She can’t pay her bills, where’s her little kid thats getting “short changed” from having a “at present mother” isn’t she a home schooler?? This narcisstic ass, is just that. We need not say anymore I think everyone has GOT her number. Her uninteeligent decisons in her life have reaped her NOTHING! lOSER…liar and now thief….have a good one

  36. Don Grundmann

    comments 43 and 44 – Mark Seidenberg writing, as he virtually always does, under a fake moniker. Even if Chelene lost a bankruptcy case she still committed no criminal act as Mark Seidenberg and his fellow Mark Robinson criminal gang members did by filing fake documents with the state.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  37. Don g wanted me for sex

    Don g I want you man, you really turn me on the last picture was the BOMB!! CAN WE HOOK UP? EMAIL ME…

  38. Don g wanted me for sex

    dON can we have a 3 way nightingale you me and mark s…..wait thats 4….rofl…..yeah man….lets GO!!!!

  39. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – Are you happy now that Chelene appears to have lost in a bankruptcy case? Answer – Of course not. Because no amount of revenge can satisfy your truly sick character. If Chelene were in front of me right now I would tell her that there are far worse things than losing such a case even if she had to pay 6 or 60 or more million. She could – in a fate worse than death – be you. ” There but for the grace of God go I.” God has indeed graced her. She may have lost a bankruptcy case but she is still a valiant and heroic fighting patriot of great integrity, character, and honor. You? The trash barrel has more character than you do. Bottom line – Chelene can rejoice. She is blessed by our Creator. She is attacked for that very reason. You, in contrast, have chosen to be a slug. Have fun. Your sickness will, and can, never be satisfied.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  40. paulie

    dON can we have a 3 way nightingale you me and mark s…..wait thats 4….rofl…..yeah man….lets GO!!!!

    Don g I want you man, you really turn me on the last picture was the BOMB!! CAN WE HOOK UP? EMAIL ME…

    Please cease and desist the childish insults. Especially if you want to be treated as an adult.

    And no, I don’t care whether this person is Seidenberg or not. I’m guessing not, but it doesn’t matter either way.

  41. MARK SEIDENBERG

    yeah man, its me….mark, going to say the real deal on Nightingale for governor. This woman, with no backing and tons of baggage wants attentiuon so badly she will abandon her own 7 year old little boy, for days at a time to scam for money to buy a new computer (docs online) and to walk for money. in my day a woman like her that walked the streets was called…”well, a street walker….:) bankrupt Racist pig!! hangs with lowlife nazis…yes, me mark I have said this…..defend her……its all true look it up Chelene Nightingale/Shawna Forde (child killer)

  42. Don Grundmann

    comments 46 and 47 – Mark Seidenberg showing his true character ever more openly.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  43. Cody Quirk

    And no, I don’t care whether this person is Seidenberg or not. I’m guessing not, but it doesn’t matter either way.

    = It’s Lake doing that; I’ll recognize that lack of Capitalization and over-use of periods any day.

  44. paulie

    I don’t care who it is.

    Enough is enough.

    #50, if you are actually Mark Seidenberg, please email contact.ipr@gmail.com.

    If you are not Mark Seidenberg, stop using other
    people’s names to post comments. This is not the first time you have done this. I’ve removed impersonating comments by you several times. The next step is to start blocking the IP addresses you post from.

  45. Cody Quirk

    Here here!

    I’m getting sick of responding to these morons anyways; they’ve also been doing the same thing on the BAN website as well.

  46. Davi Rodrigues

    Just to clear up for Grundmann,

    This was not a bankruptcy case. This was a case where she borrowed money for supposedly dire personal daily needs 3 years ago, and promised to pay it back to another patriot by a certain time. Instead of honoring her word, and she ran for governor and evaded him. Not exactly an honorable thing to do. Actually, it’s very dishonest.

  47. Davi Rodrigues

    Apparently all the endorsements from the likes of Virgil Goode, Joe Arpaio, Griffing and others lack enough inspirational quality to breathe some life into the dying campaign of Chelene Nightingale. Today’s event, the bitter end of a weeklong walk…well, carry might be a better descriptions since she had to be pretty much carried most of the way, found wannabe heroine Nightingale lobbying before a crowd of less than 40 hopeful supporters. I’m afraid a vote has already been taken on the Nightingale campaign, and it’s NO CONFIDENCE.
    See photos here:

    http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?p=11996#post11996

  48. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – Regarding your own campaign… Oh, that’s right. Excuse me. YOU don’t have a campaign. YOU sit on your butt, do nothing, and attack Chelene. Yes, if she was carried and/or in a wheelchair it was part of her campaigning – fighting the fight while hurt, injured, and in pain – while YOU lurk in the background to criticize her while sitting on your butt. She walked for miles and miles meeting people. YOU sat on your butt and waited for her to arrive so that you could do what you already planned to do – criticize her no matter what happened. YOU did not do one one thousandth of the work Chelene did. And yet you pompously attack her when YOU DO NOTHING yourself. She is out on the battlefield fighting it out against multi-millionaires while YOU do nothing except work to drag her down. Yet another manifestation of your never ending, never to end, and very sick revenge. Yet another crystal clear indication that in the battle to save our nation anyone considering adding you to the team fighting for our country would, and will, be a fool to consider you as anything other than dead weight; not just totally worthless but totally detrimental; a poison to any group fighting to save our nation. You can shove your hopelessness; entirely generated by you; you-know-where. I will choose and back Chelene; a truly courageous fighter for our state and citizens; any day of the week over a backstabbing weasel like yourself. The citizens of our state – Joe and Jane Six-Pack – can have confidence in Chelene that she is a true fighter for them and humanity as a whole. YOU are simply a 2010 version of Gollum – crawling out from under your rock to be as useless to humanity as possible but as useful as possible to the enemies of humanity and our nation. I notice that Arpaio, Tancredo, Griffin, and Goode have endorsed Chelene. They recognize a true fighter for the people and nation. They did not endorse a lowlife scumbag like you. Who WOULD possibly back you for ANYTHING? You repeatedly demonstrate that your greatest joy is to backstab others in your neverending damned revenge seeking. As I have said in previous posts I have no idea what Chelene originally said to you. But you – BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS – have demonstrated again and again that whatever it was it must have been ” spot on.” You have no capability or, especially, desire to build ANYTHING. Your only desire and capability is to attack and falsely smear others ( actually Chelene since she is your only target ). You convict yourself by your own actions. The contrast today between Chelene working her tail off in the battle, walking miles and miles and miles, and you simply waiting to smear her shows all that one needs to know of 1) your character, and 2) your total inability to do anything constructive. People will support Chelene because she WORKS. They will consider you as a sick toad because you DO NOTHING and then write your sick smear. Disgusting.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  49. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Davi, thx for keeping an eye on false prophets. [Or in this case, false profits!] Booing her, hey, I would have and I would have considered it the patriotic thing to do.

    Just because Nightmare Nightingale is not a registered Democan or Republicrat, does not mean that she is a good patriotic soul. Remember only a year ago a number of alternative political types smelled the air around her and knew that some thing stunk.

    Booing her. Oh, like a third party pedophile? Like an anti establishment embezzler? Like a guy that solicited funds for a web site and then spends donated money on rent? I do not have any problem with that and I am sorry that you do!

  50. Cody Quirk

    The last time Don Lake spoke on the capital steps it was a much larger crowd.

    = Because wackos like you attract crowds; people like entertainment.

  51. Davi Rodrigues

    Mr Grundmann,

    As I stated earlier, I have given up on you. You enjoy being duped by Chelene, and I wish you the best from it. Nothing I could ever point out will get you to see the truth about her.
    And yes, you’re right. I only seem to tear down Chelene. Although you ramble on about me doing nothing but tear down others, and then you point out that I really only tear down Chelene, highlights your own duplicity. I’m not going to go off blowing my horn about my activities, cause they are plastered all over the internet for all, even the voluntarily blind, to see. For what ever faults I have, sitting on my butt isn’t one of them.

  52. Don Grundmann

    ” knew that some thing stunk. ”

    Response – Lake – You are such a revolting, disgusting rat. It is you who stinks as the non-stop continuous and damned liar that you are. You continue to endlessly lie and accuse Chelene of things which she has never done but that never stops a damned liar like you. As with Rodrigues you sit on your damned butt and attack when doing not a damn constuctive thing yourself. You can’t even stop your damn lying which in itself would be the only constructive thing you could do – to simply stop lying. At least Rodrigues has his stupid revenge as an excuse. You have nothing. You lie just for the pleasure of lying; to feel useful and distract from the miserable walking turd that you are. You are simply another Gollum like Rodrigues. Crawling out of your outhouse hole to fart out your non-stop lying.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  53. Don Grundmann

    Rodrigues – I have to admit that I am furious that Chelene fights everyday in her campaign against multi-millionaires and an endless media blackout culminating yesterday with walking only God knows how many miles and you wait at the Capital to ambush her with your never ending dirt throwing and celebration of what you, and any of her attackers, consider a small crowd. Well chump that crowd was 40 times bigger than a jerk like you will ever get. Consider me as part of the growing crowd that says that whatever Chelene said about you can’t have been enough. I am sick of rodents who attack Chelene for sick revenge like you or simply for the joy of lying like Lake. ” Duped by Chelene?????” She puts a clown like you to shame with her non-stop work and fight for the people of our state. If it was a marathon race she would lap your lazy butt 10 times over. To wait at the Capital to ambush her is totally outrageous. You have reduced yourself by your sick revenge seeking to a nothing worthless fool who produces nothing positive and, as with the idiot Lake, is totally incapable of producing anything positive. You are just a walking energy suck; a black hole that walks around doing nothing but producing negativity and glorifying yourself for it. Look in the mirror to see the idiot and fool that you have made yourself.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  54. a MOTHER

    Who is taking care of nightingale’s poor little 7 year old kid? Didn’t scholl start? Isn’t she a home schooling mother? Who is teaching that poor little kid, while nightingale seeks attention! she appears to care more about herself than her own little kid, which is sickening, if you punk rock ear ring wearing husband is the one teaching her kid, child services should be called. In fact they should be called regardless! She stinks as a mother as a friend and as a PATRIOT!

  55. Don Grundmann

    ” a MOTHER;” i.e.; Mark Seidenberg writing, yet again, under yet another fake name – Mark, you are a traitor to the nation and an enemy of humanity. Chelene is your complete opposite – a true patriot of courage, honor, dignity, and integrity who has the guts to fight it out for the survival of our nation. While you and your buddies of Rodrigues and Lake, much less the criminal mastermind Robinson, stab the country in the back ( and so typical for you attack her family and her children ) Chelene fights on against your outright treason and evil. It is truly an honor for me to be on the battlefield with her. She is a true inspiration for our nation.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  56. a MOTHER

    still no answer…just dithering..who is home schooling poor little Chelene Nightingale’s 7 year old son? Just answer the question.

  57. a MOTHER

    Maybe child services would be interested as to whom this child who is not in school, is hanging out with. There are laws are there not? She lives in Palmdale, maybe a phone call to proper services would answer this question.

  58. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    so Coty Banks despises what Grunt Man is doing ?

    so Coty Banks despises what Coty Banks is doing?

    Hmmmmmmmmm support all you want, but Davi and Lake and our buds are the ones VOTING on or before Tuesday November Second!

    Support all you wish, as YOUR star and Chelene Ward Nightingale / Nightmare Nightingale tarnish in the wind between 2010 and 2012 ……….

  59. Cody Quirk

    Hmmmmmmmmm support all you want, but Davi and Lake and our buds are the ones VOTING on or before Tuesday November Second!

    = Yeah and Chelene Nightingale is the AIP candidate for Governor that’s on the ballot and cannot be removed.
    So are you going to vote for the Libertarian I take it?

  60. Don Grundmann

    ” maybe a phone call to proper services would answer this question.”

    ” a MOTHER “/ Mark Seidenberg – Mark – Go ahead and call. Just like you went ahead of Chelene in the Central Valley and spread your lies to the media ahead of her. You have been stabbing her in the back every day since she first announced she would run for office. So of course it is perfectly in your character to stab her yet again and again and again as the political rapist/molestor that you are. All you ever do is betray ( it is all that you know how to do ) so it would be a total shock for you NOT to call. In fact I would say that it would be impossible for you to not call. You are so aligned with evil that you must obey It.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  61. Davi Rodrigues

    Cody Quirk,

    I don’t know Shawna Forde. Forde was Michael J williams friend, and he is the person who manages Chelene Nightingales forum. I think Forde and Mike had a romantic relationship for a while, but Chelene would know that, and mike should be easily reached through Chelene.
    Beyond that, she’s not running for office, nor is she protesting for patriot causes, so what’s to support? And why do you ask?

  62. paulie

    All these stupid and petty posts are making me want to support Nightingale even more.

    I don’t support Nightingale, as I completely disagree with her signature issue that she is best known for, but all these stupid and petty posts make me almost want to support her. At the very least they are making me more sympathetic. None of this crap is about issues, it is all petty personal junk. When asked about issues, the A’sIP supporters either say issues are irrelevant and unimportant (Lake), provide a link with no further explanation or discussion (Seidenberg) or completely avoid the question (the rest of them). As far as I know the only difference is that A’sIP is pro-war, pro-imperialism.

    To the person who is posting under numerous names/handles: please pick one and stick with it. This is getting really old, and you are making yourself look really stupid and juvenile to those of us who can see what IP addresses you post from.

  63. Davi Rodrigues

    First of all Paulie,

    Nightingale’s history is all about personal petty junk. That’s why so many people hate her to begin with. She worked and manipulated hordes of us from behind and in front as she infected the entire patriot movement. She started, groomed, and perpetuated rumors and innuendo about anyone who had the slightest bit of popularity in hopes that would draw it from them to her. Most of the rumors and innuendo she administrated was petty, and not related to reality.
    As far as the issues:
    Show us where nightingale really stands. she has run a campaign based upon hyperbole and rhetoric, which is common for her, as she will not debate her own platform. She spouts, she lectures, she speaks, she spews, but she don’t debate. I could punch holes in most of her foolishness, but Don or whomever would call me names and say none of it matters because I have a personal agenda. That is true, but doesn’t allow for resolution of your complaint. Chelene has always insulated herself with useful dupes to prevent any real discourse of her ideas, strategies, platforms, or action. She knows that it will not stand under fire, and I’m almost grateful that she hasn’t had an opportunity to be thoroughly embarassed in a public event between candidates that have served in government before, or ones that have managed successful enterprises, as her going down in flames to that degree would never give our causes the chance they deserve because people would associate them with her mismanagement and ignorrance. So that leaves the petty stuff.
    You want to debate her platform; I’ll indulge you. Which one first?

  64. JT

    I agree with what Paulie said above. I’d also like to know who runs this site and WHY that person apparently believes that posts like “Don g” or “a Mother” should be allowed on here. What would it take for someone’s IP address to be blocked?? The AIP people may sound like lunatics to outsiders, but at least they’re still talking about politics. Irrelevant, asinine comments should be removed from this board and, after a warning, that person’s IP address should be blocked permanently. Why isn’t this being done already? What’s the problem??

  65. paulie

    OK Davi: what stances that Nightingale officially takes do you disagree with and why?

    If you think America’s Independent Party is better than the Constitution Party, what stances make it better and why?

    JT: The board really runs itself for the most part. Trent is the editor, but we have a strong bias toward free speech. However, we haven’t ruled out blocking IPs, and this person (“a mother,” etc) is certainly flirting with being the first.

    Trouble is, no one has the time to read, much less police, all the comments…and nobody wants to play playground monitor.

  66. Davi Rodrigues

    Cody Quirk,

    I am not a dolt. That is the same Shawna Forde that was involved with Nightingales good friend Michael J Williams, who manages her website forum. Visit her campaign website and her forum and you’ll see many entries by him. forde and he had a relationship, and Nightingale was aware of it. I’ll look through my files and see what I have in regards to it, but I re-iterate that there’s very little to support. She was not with Save Our State at any time, nor did I ever speak with her or have any dealings with her myself. She still has a trial coming up, so we’ll see what comes of that, but that part of the southwest is as corrupt as mehico itself, so I’m not going to pass judgement on her or that event just yet. Killing kids or sleeping women is not somethig the majority of people in the immigration law enforcement movement really support no matter who is accused

  67. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    JT // Sep 12, 2010:
    …………. [California] AIP people may sound like lunatics to outsiders ……….

    [Lake: which people ??????????]

    [Lake: fact, Mister Quirk is no longer AIP and is no longer a Californian; supposition, Cody left the Coast on not great terms with other AIP, including other Mormons *multiple references*]

    [Lake: fact, Doctor Donald J. Grundmann is formally promoting [formally!] the California ballot access and California is not a fusion state!]

    [Lake: fact, Nightmare Nightingale / Chelene Ward Nightingale publicly and formally associated with the national Constitutional Party and California is not a fusion state!]

    [Lake: fact, Bill Lussenheide is the national coordinator for the ‘Veterans Association’ of the national Constitution Party and California is not a fusion state!]

    [Lake: again, what AIP people?]

  68. Davi Rodrigues

    Paulie,

    Nightingale has run a rhetorical campaign, and her stances are quite ambiguous. But how about we take the ones she NOW has listed on her website, but we’ll take them one at a time, one each day. Since education is on the top of her list:
    •End benefits for educating those who are in our state unlawfully.
    •Offer an “Education Tax Refund” for families who choose home schooling options.
    •Allow parents to opt out of education that does not fit their family values.
    •Force schools to improve through competition and allow parents to choose the best schools for their children by eliminating school district boundaries.
    •Most people lose their jobs when they don’t perform well. America’s highest paid teachers should not be any different.
    _____________________________
    OK, from the top, prop 187 being overturned by the courts prevents the governor from denying education to kids in the country illegally. I don’t know how she would accomplish this, nor has she said so. I would agree with it needing to be done, but the voters tried and failed, so how does 1 governor accomplish this magic fete?

    2nd up is home schooling for a tax refund. First thing that will happen is an already under educated third world population who are filing taxes will opt out of the school system for cash. Along with that goes another bunch of illiterate parents teaching their illiteracy to the next generation. But not many smart first world American are going to do this. Most working class parents of America use the schools as a babysitting service, so it is unlikely they will trade any tax benefit for full time work with their kids.
    I’m unsure what she means to opt out if schooling doesn’t fit their family values, but I’ll presume it is related to the homo quotient. She hasn’t said what other opt-in measures would be available and where, so I’ll have to disagree on the basis of its’ ambiguity.
    Erasing school boundaries. All the poor kids would then go to the rich kids schools because they have pools and laptops. Schools are financed through property taxes, so in her plan I guess the boundary is the whole state, so there’s no accountability per district, but rather a one large pool of tax money being sent to a few currently over achieving schools. Basically, this is as socialistic as it gets, and I thought socialism was taboo in nightinville.
    This last one is somewhat utopian as far as public employees go. When someone in the private sector fails to measure up, they get fired, but they don’t just disappear. they may not work at chezx paris anymore but they could get work at mcdonalds. Teachers are similar. You can fire them, but the ratio is likely to remain the same with new hires. Plus, teachers cannot choose their customers. Selling widgets and forcing an unwilling student to fathom a concept are not even remotely connected concepts. Good teachers have to put up with crime, language barriers, curriculums designed by propagandists, funding shortages, and outdated equipment to say the least. Teachers have no fair way of competing equally. School is not like business. Businessmen seldom put up with slow learners, ADD or otherwise crippled employees, so I’m not sure how she designs the competition test, nor, once again, has she gone into specifics

  69. paulie

    paulie // Sep 12, 2010:

    So awake women are fair game?

    [Lake: quit typing about my social life!]

    No, I’m serious. He said killing sleeping women was not OK. I was just wondering about the significance of that qualifier. BTW, Richard Winger said on Ballot Access News that California is a fusion state, although it’s very difficult to put into practice.

  70. paulie

    OK, from the top, prop 187 being overturned by the courts prevents the governor from denying education to kids in the country illegally. I don’t know how she would accomplish this, nor has she said so. I would agree with it needing to be done

    I don’t.

    2nd up is home schooling for a tax refund. First thing that will happen is an already under educated third world population who are filing taxes will opt out of the school system for cash. Along with that goes another bunch of illiterate parents teaching their illiteracy to the next generation. But not many smart first world American are going to do this. Most working class parents of America use the schools as a babysitting service, so it is unlikely they will trade any tax benefit for full time work with their kids.

    Rather unlikely scenario, since your so called “third world” population is using the schools as a babysitting service too. But, there are plenty of Americans who homeschool and more who would like to, and could. This sounds like a pretty good incremental plan, although my ultimate goal would be complete separation of school and state.

    I’m unsure what she means to opt out if schooling doesn’t fit their family values, but I’ll presume it is related to the homo quotient. She hasn’t said what other opt-in measures would be available and where, so I’ll have to disagree on the basis of its’ ambiguity.

    It really doesn’t matter what values some families believe government schools are violating, they should certainly be able to opt their kids out of it.

    Erasing school boundaries. All the poor kids would then go to the rich kids schools because they have pools and laptops. Schools are financed through property taxes, so in her plan I guess the boundary is the whole state, so there’s no accountability per district, but rather a one large pool of tax money being sent to a few currently over achieving schools. Basically, this is as socialistic as it gets, and I thought socialism was taboo in nightinville.

    I don’t see what the size of school districts has to do with socialism.

    This last one is somewhat utopian as far as public employees go. When someone in the private sector fails to measure up, they get fired, but they don’t just disappear. they may not work at chezx paris anymore but they could get work at mcdonalds. Teachers are similar. You can fire them, but the ratio is likely to remain the same with new hires. Plus, teachers cannot choose their customers. Selling widgets and forcing an unwilling student to fathom a concept are not even remotely connected concepts. Good teachers have to put up with crime, language barriers, curriculums designed by propagandists, funding shortages, and outdated equipment to say the least. Teachers have no fair way of competing equally. School is not like business. Businessmen seldom put up with slow learners, ADD or otherwise crippled employees, so I’m not sure how she designs the competition test, nor, once again, has she gone into specifics

    Businesses compete on uneven playing fields all the time.

    Nothing wrong with the concept of merit pay. Coddling lazy, incompetent, and worse teachers is a big hallmark of government unions. I’m not an expert on specifics, but in principle it is a good idea.

    I don’t think these are the issues that divide America’s Independent Party and the Constitution Party, are they?

  71. paulie

    Was there an awake woman shot somewhere under similar circumstances that you’re referring to?

    Not that I know of. I was just wondering what the significance of “sleeping” in that sentence was.

  72. Davi Rodrigues

    There’s no significance of any noteworthiness about the sleeping description. I read in one of those links, or I may have thought I read it here that the victim was sleeping.

  73. Davi Rodrigues

    I believe you are hopelessly fantasizing about the number of people wishing to homeschool.
    So who decides who is getting coddled. Who sets the criteria and does the investigations? Or will this be yet another of Nightingales traditional witch hunts? She sees a failing school and fires everyone?

  74. paulie

    I believe you are hopelessly fantasizing about the number of people wishing to homeschool.

    I didn’t mention any numbers, but I meet parents who would like to homeschool all the time.

    So who decides who is getting coddled. Who sets the criteria and does the investigations?

    Who does that at any job? Is your point that it is impossible to create any kind of performance standards, and all teachers must be presumed equal?

    Are there ways to create incentives to do a better job, like there are in other occupations? Ways to determine when they are not doing their job and should be fired?

  75. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    No comments of home schooling, altho I have little respect for public ed, as a former student and a former educator.

    Thot the sleeping woman was paulie being paulie, super sensitive about having one name in a two and three name culture.

    Being suck into non Dem and non GOP west coast politics more and more since the mid 1980s with the failures of the establishment, I have never, never, ever heard any one declare that California is in any way a ‘fusion’ state.

    I could be wrong, but it would be thru ignorance!

    Any one else being ‘reviewed’ for posting(s)?

    Ya wanna turn off the ‘Leakie Tap’ —— just point out where I am wrong!

    (You know like the Dixie dissatisfaction with national CP ——- oops, paulie CONFIRMED that TRUTH!)

  76. paulie

    No one is being reviewed, it’s an automated spam filter and we have no control over the settings. When I have time, I look through the trash and pull out stuff that gets caught by mistake. I have my stuff get tagged as spam by mistake sometimes too.

    Richard Winger at BAN said California is a fusion state. Ask him again if you missed it the first time.

  77. Davi Rodrigues

    Republicans starting to jump in the public denunciations of Nightingale.
    Several hard liner blogs and writers are starting to out nightingale as a dishonest wack-job candidate, where before they just let her dwell in her own little fantasy world as irrelevant. I believe they are seeing the Whit v Brown race as a close one and now are hoping to turn the fence sitters and third rail’ers their direction. I believe they will dispatcher handily as far as her character, and those who cling to nightingale after the facts become more mainstream will be too few to be concerned with.
    One hardline republican told me last election cycle when the choice was mccain or obama, that a lot of people were very vocal about their disatisfaction with mccain, but that when they slide the curtain closed on the poll booth there was going to be some soul searching going on, and that they would cast out the third railers instead of contributing to a democrat obama win

  78. Davi Rodrigues

    I might also point out, that my fears were justified, and tancredo’s quasi endorsement of nightingale is hurting him already. Will Goode suffer the same fate?

  79. Cody Quirk

    So why should people in the third party camp automatically listen to what Republicans are saying about Chelene Nightingale?
    I’m actually not surprised by GOP criticism of her, after all her campaign has become a threat to Whitman’s candidacy, so its a no brainer why they’re targeting her now.

  80. Cody Quirk

    So why are Republicans talking about her in the first place? If they consider her a joke then they would ignore her.

    Obviously support for her is growing and they don’t like it.

  81. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – With each passing comment you are more nauseating than before. YOU have NO damn so-called ” facts ” with which to attack Chelene; only your nebulous screeds about being wronged by her and your exaggeration regarding her bankruptcy. You continue to prove yourself as a backstabbing weasel. Chelene is the total opposite of everything you portray her to be; the contrast being simply staggering. I am increasingly glad that the AIP, the REAL one, will have nothing to do with a rodent like you. The rat side of the AIP, the Robinson criminal gang and enterprise, will be happy to associate with you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  82. Davi Rodrigues

    Sorry Mr Grundmann,

    I am not wasting another minute on you.

    Cody quirk,

    I don’t exactly know why they’ve started to hammer on her, but it isn’t because support for her is growing. Actually, it seems to be fading. That hardship walk of hers was a big teller. But as far as the republicans go, they may have thought she would have been attacked by thems and they wouldn’t have to point out the bad smell. Maybe they want to shepherd the wayward flock back their way.
    I think you may misunderstand the issue with us vs chelene. It’s not that we oppose most of what she says in relation to illegals, spending, some federal boundaries, etc. It’s because we feel she’s a corrupt dishonest backstabbing manipulative piece of garbage, that will turn on us again after she gets whatever she wants out of this campaign. We cannot trust her. I know I’ll never trust her again. The republicans could easily see people like me as recruitable. Their prize is the swing vote or the fence sitters or the wayward sheep. There’s not enough of those for either party to be concerned about as fas as them gaining a seat in the chair, but they’ll still fight over their votes

  83. Don Grundmann

    Cody – Mr. Rodrigues has a personal problem which translates into his blithering rants against Chelene; rants which are completely opposite to reality. He is on a neverending quest for revenge which translates into ludicrous attacks against her such as gleefully filming her arrival at the capital from her Central Valley walk and crowing about a small crowd and proclaiming her supposed failure. This from a person who does nothing to aid the cause of freedom, has no semblance of anything working to galvanize the citizens as does Chelene, certainly spent zero time marching anywhere or talking to anyone in complete contrast to Chelene, and who to get any attention would have to have a police officer arrest him at the capital and would never have one other person, much less 40, waiting for his arrival. Jealousy, thy name is Davi Rodrigues.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  84. Cody Quirk

    I don’t exactly know why they’ve started to hammer on her, but it isn’t because support for her is growing. Actually, it seems to be fading. That hardship walk of hers was a big teller. But as far as the republicans go, they may have thought she would have been attacked by thems and they wouldn’t have to point out the bad smell. Maybe they want to shepherd the wayward flock back their way.

    = Actually your logic doesn’t make sense. I’ve been in third party politics since I was 16, and the major parties only pay third party candidates any attention when such candidates are a threat. The Democrats and Ralph Nader’s 2004 Presidential campaign, as an example.

    Seems that very few attacks against Nightingale have any truth or merit to them, and most of the attacks are very petty, spiteful, and even vulgar and obscene to the point that it is counter-productive for her critics and enemies.

    Sorry but many of these fabricated claims and offensive slander towards her only makes her look more like a victim, and the critics like total assholes.

  85. Davi Rodrigues

    There’s no truth to those who don’t wish to see any, that’s for sure. Nader and Nightingale are not even in the same universe as far as comparison on the scale you refer to. Nader had some monied backers and finances of his own, not to mention a law degree and successful practice. Nightingale has no real education, no money of her own, and no successful enterprises as of yet.
    I don’t know what the current reasons are for the interest, and maybe they’ll quit after a bit, and maybe not, but I’m certain they don’t consider her a threat to anything but the hopes of getting the aforementioned swing votes

    And Grundmann is once again wrong about me. I am always active doing things for our stated class of people. While Nightingale is drawing attention to herself, I’m still out drawing attention to our cause. That’s another problem we always had with her. Everything had to revolve around nightingale, not our agenda.

    http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?t=2800

  86. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // Sep 17, 2010:
    …….. I’ve been in third party politics since I was 16

    [Lake: for all that decade of longevity you have consistently, constantly displayed zeal (as in zealot), immaturity and a gross lack of logic. Why should any one believe any thing you say, but especially about alternative politics? You are usually shooting from the lip and hitting your hip and sinking the ship!]

  87. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    // Sep 17, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    A threat? lol [Nightmare Nightingale / Chelene Ward Nightingale] polling at less than 1% is not a threat [and a lot less, I predict 1/3 of 1%].

    [Lake: ‘fabricated claims’ try some more reasonable like verified truths! Documented, documented, documented. If they (a long list) up sets you, it does not make it /them any more untrue!]

  88. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // Sep 18, 2010 at 2:35 am

    Because nobody takes you seriously here or elsewhere, especially the California Veterans Board …………

    [Lake: a point of pride, a point of pride; a horrible government and the worst agency there of, for almost two decades; documented, documented, documented!]

  89. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    I take tremendous pride that the ‘worst agency in California state government’ *numerous documentation* hates me enuf to illegally violate the ‘Ralph M. Brown Open Meetings Act’ repeatedly and that a loose cannon like you, spitting and sputting, with out aim or ability, in the land of the emotional eleven year olds, thinks that I am horrible.

    In the land of the grown ups, where loud mouthed unthinking divorced Mormons whom make up facts as they go along are not admired by the ‘big folks’ whom at least have some sense of logic and reason.

    Proud, mighty proud! I, like paulie and Two Marks and an Ed, and [B4 you blew it big time with Righthaven, costing IPR THOUSANDS, ———- even tho adults out side of Nevada were quite aware of the Las Vegas Journal Review thuggery] you toil with out fiscal compensation.

    I want to hurt the Duopoly Establishment. I hate them. I hate what they have done to the nation of my birth.

    You want to kick up dust and obscure the view of the enemy. You are no friend of the Loyal Opposition.

    Your religiosity, from high school on ward, blinds you to the big picture. Life long third party advocate? The day that Mitt Romney, or any Dem or GOP Mormon declares, you will run [not walk] to the arms of the establishment!

    Oh, if only they knew the damaged goods that you are! Oh, if only they knew the snake that will be in their midst. You go boy, you go!

  90. _

    I take don lake seriously. He is the only one who really makes sense. Ala the movie with Peter Sellers “Being there.” 🙂

  91. Cody Quirk

    I want to hurt the Duopoly Establishment. I hate them. I hate what they have done to the nation of my birth.

    = I hate them too and also want to end the two-party system, but someone like you isn’t hurting them at all- I guarantee it.

  92. Cody Quirk

    I take don lake seriously. He is the only one who really makes sense. Ala the movie with Peter Sellers “Being there.”

    = So you take yourself seriously?

  93. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    at least I am leaving a ‘paper trail’ ……….

    How’s Mitt Romney doin’?

    Coty Banks’ /Donald Gruntman guaranteeing ANY THING that actually came about? How did Pastor Chuck Baldwin do on the California American Independent Party P2008 ballot?

    After month after month of ‘guaranteeing’ ——– oops!

  94. Cody Quirk

    How’s Mitt Romney doin’?

    = I dunno, I didn’t support him, nor will I ever support him.

    How did Alan Keyes do nationwide, especially in Colorado and Florida, lol!

  95. walt

    I have a question, re; Constitution party candidate Bill Lussenheide ca-45 I saw where he gave a campaign donation to the Chelene Nightingale for governor cmapaign $600.00 but listed his occupation as “retired”? This is surious on his websites he says he is an “investment advisor/window washer! I find this curious, Why didn’t he want his occupation named? Was he trying to dodge the IRS from seeing this? Was he trying to dodge his investors from knowing? I hope someone can give me some answers, my curiosity might kill the cat.

  96. Cody Quirk

    I find this curious, Why didn’t he want his occupation named?

    = Why should it be anybody’s business in the first place?

    Give us some links.

  97. walt

    i FOUND THE SITE ON a ballot access site where richard winger listed how Dong G. has listed Constitution party as a registered party. I ‘ll go back and find it..I clicked on the link provided by Winger which led me to a Sec of state website with a documents url

  98. walt

    well, Lussenheide is runnign for a public office, he list on his website that he is an investment advisor, but lists he is “retired” when giving money to another campaign it is the publics business, he seeks a job ON THE TAX PAYERs back.

  99. walt

    He is not retired…..you need not name call, this is a way lussenheide is dodging trying to report this. He is a financial advisor, pres of a company…he is not reitired. But he is apparently a Lair! So who is lying Nightingale campaign Lussenheide? I think maybe both….lets hear from the horses mouth instead of a jackasses mouth…

  100. walt

    Why does Lussenheide NOT want his occupation lested with the SEC for his campaign donations?? We need better answers than yours cody. Why doesn’t Lussenheide step up to the plate and answer something for himself. Silence = guilty in my book..

  101. Cody Quirk

    Why don’t you email him then, he doesn’t post here.

    What’s your full name, Walt? What’s you’re political affiliation?

  102. _

    Mark seidenberg looks like the John and ken show will be allowing 3rd party candidates on the show next week. So if you want to call the show with questions for Chelene Nightingale nows your chance. John and ken don’t ask softball questions and they don’t have shills call in. its kfi Los Angeles John and ken show..2:00 -7:00

  103. walt

    okay this is why Lussenheide, has listed himself as “retired”. under FEC law anyone giving more than 200.00 to a campaign, (must list THEIR OCCUPATION, their employer address phone for public records! DISCLOSURE LAWS! Lussenheide trying to circumvent this is very bad and deceitful. He is not reitired he has Lussenheide Capital Investments. More lies from this group. Figures , what a group. Lussenheide financing Nightingale and lying about it.

  104. Don Grundmann

    No ” walt,” it is you who, as usual, are lying since you are Mark Seidenberg writing under your usual fake name. Mark – why don’t you ever discuss your deliberately filing fake documents with the Secretary of State office in order to deceive it regarding the status of the AIP? Silence = guilt.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  105. _

    Racist slime Nightingale, bankrupt “horror!!” she abandons her own kid to search for money to a dead campaign. You are all creeps and we know about the child molestor you protect. Just wait, this will break very soon. 1 week before the elections…we have a video coming telling about your child molestor you back.

  106. _

    The public will not like knowing about this Child molestor you protect!! The public will know!! You can’t hide it much longer!

  107. Don Grundmann

    ” _ “/Mark the supporter of child molestors Seidenberg – Well Mark, if there is a child molestor in the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the AIP as compared to your treason branch, then give the evidence. Prove it. Of course you can’t. You never could and you never can because, as usual ( like every moment of every day ), you are lying. And, again as usual, you write using your cowardly non-name to hide behind. Typical behavior for a sociopathic psychotic like you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  108. looking for Don Lake

    Donnie baby! Whats going on? 2 weeks till sweeet sweeet victory. Brown or Whitman…? But, thanks to Nothingale, she will siphon votes from meg she so stupid. But, now everyone knows. anyway, haven’t heard much from mark s etc…just checking in.

  109. Ken Gibbs

    Wow, so this is what the Independents do when they can’t even place in an election.

    My children were allot more mature in their lil debates. If this is the state of those who would fix what is broken, we are so screwed.

    No wonder the Dems and Repubs never take you seriously, you don’t.

    Oh btw, my real name and real opinion.

  110. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Gibbs – The Republicans at least take us seriously enough to attack 3rd parties and attempt to destroy them; the discussions of which you are seeing. Their agents are working as I write this to accomplish that destruction and have been doing so openly for several years and behind the scenes in preparation for their attack before that. Don’t give up on us because you see the battle going on. You are welcome to work with us to attain victory for our nation.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  111. DON LAKE NEED TO READ THIS

    hey don, tell mark and the rest on AIP the on the Nightingale facebook Gary Odam is telling people to contact Don grundman if they want to register to be in the AIP. They give hisd name and that he is chairman of AIP. What they will do is dupe people into registering into the CP party the one gruyndman is trying to get ballot qualfied. What a scame. Just like the rest of these frauds.

  112. DON LAKE NEED TO READ THIS

    Anyway yeah, AIP REAL LEADERS NEED TO KNOW Gary Odam is giving out false information to unwitting voters. They are blatantly giving out false information. AIP DG IS NOT THE CHAIRMAN….

  113. Don Grundmann

    ” DON LAKE NEED TO READ THIS ” – Yet another fake name of the Republican Party, Anti-Defamation League, and Southern Poverty Law Center traitorous coward agent Mark Seidenberg; and enemy of humanity and of the nation. Too cowardly to write undedr his own name as he is busy betraying the AIP and the 3rd party conservative movement every day and with every breath.

  114. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Grundmann // Oct 18, 2010:

    Mr. Gibbs – Concerning Constitution Party, Grundmann, Quirk, Gary Odom, Lussenhiede, Jim King, Nightingale, TEA Parties, Dem moles, GOP moles:

    [a] pull your panties up

    [b] make sure your socks and shoes are on straight

    [c] run fast

    [d] run far

  115. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    #152 [Lake: and in the larger sense, the Constitution Party’s grasp of the Constitution! As the local United States Tax Payers Party, the California American Independent Party did not seem to much care about tax payers. As the local Constitution Party ………….]

    # 7 ‘….. just look at the activists ‘ [Lake]
    // Oct 19, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    ….. just look at the activists ‘ [Lake] // Oct 19, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Per Don Grundmann // Oct 18, 2010:

    Concerning Mister Gibbs – REviewing Constitution Party, Grundmann, Quirk, Gary Odom, Lussenhiede, Jim King, Nightingale, TEA Parties, Dem moles, GOP moles:

    [a] pull your panties up

    [b] make sure your socks and shoes are on straight

    [c] run fast

    [d] run far

    8 Cody Quirk // Oct 19, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    And don’t forget bring Lake the toilet paper!

    #9 Jeep tracks // Oct 15, 2010:
    “Nice comments Cody!” *sarcasm*

    SNEAKIE SNARKIE CYBER PUNK AND INTERNET BULLY, CODY QUIRK, hey do ADDITIONAL research. Post choice for mindless potty mouth and ‘pick, pick, pick’ sub human political bull dog! Do the research!

    Aunt Nadine, Aunt Nadine, time to roll up that news paper [alternative post or main stream media]!

    Quirk Boy has failed in High School, college, Calfironia AIP and still embarrasses LDS, IAP and Aunt Nadine Hansen, at the same time he sponges off of her good will.

    Ya give folks the benefit of a doubt (like Jim King and Chelene Ward Nightingale) and like a bad odor, they keep on proving their essence!

  116. rocker

    The times USC poll has 0 zero in the poll for Nightingale. Dale ogden got 1 vote. Nightingale should give back the money she is bilking to her dead campaign. She keeps saying “we are winning” lol, so the $$$ keeps coming. Dream on ahahha (told you so) Jerry brown will win and I am happy.
    Nightingale is like “chemical ALI the guy with saddam hussein who kept telling reporters “we are winning” rofl

  117. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    You heard it hear first (weeks ago), less than one third of one percent. Is she still breathing California air? NO ONE (of substance) will vouch that she has not (joined Elvis and) left the state!

    Just google (joogle?)
    Chelene Ward Nightingale
    Chelene Nightingale
    Chelene Hope Nightingale
    Chelene Ward
    Chelene Hope
    Nightmare Nightingale

  118. paulie

    Hmmm, well, she may or may not be significant to California voters, but she sure is significant to a small handful of “admirers” who seeming breathe, eat and sleep their obsession with Ms. Nightingale.

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why, out of all the candidates we cover, 3-5 IPs seem to constantly leave hundreds (probably thousands) of comments about her.

  119. shawna forde

    nightingale will be giving her conceding speech to Jerry Brown on Tuesday at the McDonalds inside of Walmart Plamdale ca. be there we have coupons for free dipped ice cream cones for the kiddies. Thanks for supporting us, we’ll be back with a new campaign for something real soon. keep the $$ coming. Love you all!

  120. jimbo

    I see Chelene Nightingale didn’t take long to brew up a new $ money making scam. She has taken the “spokesperson” role for racist minuteman Jeff Schwilks little group. (Socal Patriot Coalition) She needs the donations to keep flowing and what better way, than to realign with the very group, that she relishes in, the anti-immigrant racist group. Back to her old ways, thats all she can ever be as her xenophobe extremist views, can’t be contained for long. Governor, was just a ruse, her true calling is being a radical, immigrant basher. We will be watching, look for her ugly snout screaming about illgeals at a nearby corner!

  121. Don Grundmann

    ” jimbo “/” jumbo “/ Mark Seidenberg – Mark – A) The election is over. Your candidate, Meg Whitman, lost. So why do you keep attacking Chelene under fake names?? B) Chelene has been chosen as a leader by an association of patriot groups. They recognize that she is fighting for the country. Would any such group ever consider putting your fellow criminals, liars, cowards, and traitors Mark Robinson or Ed Noonan ( or even yourself ) in such a position? Not a chance in hell as they are known to be ultra-corrupt traitors, liars, and cowards – just like you. C) What about your ” $ money making ” by being a Republican mole working for your squads of Republican lawyers but especially your espionage work for the ADL and the SPLC? You always need the donations to ” keep flowing ” and your Republican lawyer controllers always solve that problem. You make, and have made, far more money by being a traitor than Chelene could ever dream of. D) You use a standard ADL/SPLC tactic of accusing those who oppose illegal immigration as being ” racist.” You know what a lie that is but, as usual, you do it anyway because you and your controllers are too cowardly to ever discuss facts; especially when, as is done every time by your ADL/SPLC masters, it is so easy to toss the racist smear. Your continued attack upon Chelene just demonstrates how fearful you are of her as a true American who will fight for the nation; especially against the corruption of your masters/controllers as they, like you, work to betray the nation at every second of every day.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  122. Don Grundmann

    Okay, it is time to clear this up. I have seen the photo which claims that it is Chelene. Although I don’t currently know how to do it I understand that photoshopping is very easy to do. Would ” delphi seer,” a.k.a. Davi Rodrigues, photoshop a picture of Chelene as part of his endless infantile campaign to get revenge? Absolutely. Does it look like Chelene? Yes. Does that mean it is her? No. Am I going to ask her? No. Why? Because the posting of the picture tells me far more about the posters of it than the lady in the picture. Davi – Why are you so cowardly to hide behind the name ” delphi seer?” If you are going to continue attacking Chelene then just come out with your own name. Stop being a coward. How long has Chelene been away from Save Our State? 1 year? 2 years? And yet you still attack her in, in this case, the most childish way(s). Does it make a difference to me? No. For even if it is Chelene she is still far more of a patriot and fighter for our state and nation than you can ever be or ever dream of being. The poster of the picture is simply an immature child working in league with real traitors to the nation such as Mark Seidenberg who continues, as the ultra coward that he is, to write under fake names like ” FORMER CPER/former CPer ” above. The posting of the picture is a Mark Robinson/Seidenberg/Davi Rodrigues production. Why? Because Chelene was recently appointed to lead a southern California patriot group and it is the objective of the Robinson Crime Syndicate, of which Mark Seidenberg is the ” money bags “/ADL-SPLC agent, to destroy the 3rd party conservative movement in the state and nation in whatever way it may manifest. They will do whatever it takes to achieve that objective. Mark Seidenberg is a Republican Party mole who is also an agent of the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ) and the Southern Poverty Law Center ( SPLC ), the 2 greatest promoters of homosexuality in our nations school system in addition to their total support of homosexual marriage. He is an enemy of our nation and an enemy of humanity. Does Chelene work with treasonous organizations like the ADL and the SPLC? No, but Mark Seidenberg, who is in league with Davi Rodrigues to attack Chelene, does. It is Mark Seidenberg who owes an apology to America for being a traitor and it is Davi Rodrigues who should apologize for working with such a traitor to destroy a true patriot to the nation. Mark Seidenberg is working every day to betray our nation. It is he and his associates such as Davi Rodrigues who are ” sickening.” I support Chelene. She is a woman of honor and integrity who is fighting everyday, even now after the election, for our state and nation. She is not a traitor like Mark Seidenberg nor a coward like Siedenberg and Rodrigues. If the best that they can do to attack her is to post this picture then that exposes even more than before how pathetic they are.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  123. former CPer

    She is the pathic one, she is the scum that hangs with PORN PRODUCERS AND drug addicts. She is the one that hid this. There are more pictures of her she was paid just like a prosititute for these sick pictures. This is the character of Nightingale, this is her true nature. She whores herself out for money, will even lie about being a christian, if she can make money. A whore by any other name is still a whore SHAME ON HER SHAME ON DON G….scum bag pigs. The truth has prevailed. Get lost you scum. btw the organization she is with is just a trumped up Jeff scwilk of the minutemen. Another guy that has photos online of him dressed in womens clothing!! These are decent people.. JUMP IN A LAKE! filthy dirty lying prostitutes for money. btw I heard that the media now has the photos. We shall see. radar online has bought the rights to them.

  124. Don Grundmann

    Mark – The ADL and SPLC, your masters and controllers, are the biggest pushers of homosexuality into our school system. It is YOU who are promoting perversion inclusive of putting an open supporter and promoter of ” fisting,” Don Lake, on the state central committee of the party to satisfy your masters that it will no longer be Christian based. Of course you are going to photoshop a ton of pictures and sell them for profit. What is the surprise there? It is YOU who are the ” whore,” a traitor/prostitute working everyday to destroy our nation via selling your corruption in service to our national enemies.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  125. former CPer

    yOU ARE NO cHRISTIAN AND EVIL pORN QUEEN nIGHTINGALE is not christian liars fakes and frauds!!! you corrupt no morals WHORES! The truth hurts….the truth was shown. Go slink away and pray for your souls. Dirty Filth ridden fools for satan! EVIL!!!

  126. Don Grundmann

    Mark – Your own ” morals ” allow for working with the ADL and the SPLC to betray the conservative and patriot movements. You hide, as the coward that you are, not only behind your fake names but as a fake ” Vice-Chairman ” of the AIP so that you can use that position to attack our country. Your organizations are promoting homosexuality in the public schools starting, and especially, in kindergarten. My own elementary school has a ” Gay-Straight-Bisexual-Transgender-Queer Club courtesy of the ADL and the SPLC who provide all of the support materials for the ” club.” They, and you as their agent, are attacking the children of America in order to break their morals and break them away from their family and parents. And you are working to change the AIP from a Christian party to a promoter of homosexuality by your inclusion of Don Lake, a promoter of ” fisting,” on the state central committee. It is YOU who are a liar, fake, and total fraud. Your corruption knows no limits.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  127. former CPer

    Don, We will pray for your soul and nightingales. The devil has truly taken hold We pray for you! Go in peace and hope our prayer can guide you from this evil that has invaded you. Peace brother don. Pray pray pray

  128. Don Grundmann

    The ” prayer ” of Mark Seidenberg – the forever coward who is a walking demon, a traitor to the nation, and an enemy of humanity.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  129. Cody Quirk

    former CP’er, I actually visited the link and I don’t see Chelene Nightingale on there anywhere.

    Do you know that your false allegations could eventually put you in legal hot water?

  130. former CPer

    Shes a pig and you all got duped so spin it all you want WE KNEW ALL ALONG.. you look like idiots Don must be drooling all over his golden girl’s picture…he probably blew it up and has it over his bunk beds at home, right next to his picture of David Bowie. woot woot

  131. former CPer

    The origianl post was found on Confidential Report of matters sos leadership chelene failed actress. It was posted in 2008. So this conspiracy crap, that we are trying to destroy her is wack. She sold her soul to be on a porn site!! She did it blame her!! she lied and his this! She embarrassed all that supported her.

  132. former CPer

    you balme eervyone except the true culprit. NIGHTINGALE! sHE HID THIS, gOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE she has hidden I have seen serveral other sites that I will not post, because I have some ethics. Trust me, this woman has a bad bad past. Thats it! You all did not believe and now hopefully you will. The other sites are out of our hands now. Word has they were sold, so they may be posted by a major news wire.

  133. Don Grundmann

    Cody – ” former CPer ” is, as usual, Mark Seidenberg; the last person in the world to call someone else ” horse face.” He and Davi Rodrigues will scour every porn or not porn site in the world to find any possible picture which possibly looks like Chelene in the slightest possible way. And if that doesn’t provide their solution there is always photoshopping to solve the problem. Mark knows that Chelene was just appointed to lead a collective group of patriots and since his job as an ADL/SPLC agent is to destroy the conservative and patriot movement of the nation he has yet another reason to attack and lie about Chelene. Any lies which Chelene has ever told are no possible match for the endless, and current, lies and treason of Mark as he is also the last person to call anyone else a liar. She will never be a traitor and he will never be anything but.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  134. former CPer

    the minutemen are not a collective group they are racists She is back yelling at immigrants on street corners! yup Back to the street corner where she obviously belongs!

  135. Don Grundmann

    ” because I have some ethics.”

    Response – An absolutely incredible comment from an ADL/SPLC traitor/coward to the nation who won’t even write under his own name. Mark – come ” out of the closet ” and admit that you are an agent of those who are promoting homosexuality in our public schools including, and especially, kindergarten. Admit that you promoted a supporter of ” fisting ” to the AIP state central committee. Admit your evil.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  136. former CPer

    ha I have to laugh false allegations HA HA Nightingale and her big mouth calling Obama an Illegal, saying 9-11 was planned by our own government! GOD wanted her true photo to be found. God guided the people to find this about this woman that is a liar and a sick sick porno queen.
    The turth hurts soo bad I am sorry you had to see this, but now, you can lie and cry but She is WHAT SHE IS. buh byeeeeeeee (wink)

  137. former CPer

    and you homosexual grundman a man who never married never had children because he fights his homo urges day and night. The real reason he fights it, because he himself wants to be gay. Wants to hold another man close. Wants to touch him tenderly. Just like Nightingales screamed about what a “christian” she was. (wee we found the opposite to be true) those that wish to hide the truth always take the position opposite (to throw others off the truth) Don we know you are laent homosexual, its obvious. All of you misfits, that hide all these secrets…why don’t you relax and be who you really are. Don why don’t you go to SF find a nice man to keep you warm at night. Its okay, love is a good thing. Explore, Don, release that pent up energy instead hating the the very thing you “LOVE!”

  138. Don Grundmann

    Cody – We can see Mark Seidenberg changing the AIP from a Christian party to one that promotes the vilest homosexual practices to our children in addition to changing the AIP from a party that fights illegal immigration to one that calls the Minutemen ” racist.” This is the position of Mark Robinson, the head of the Robinson Crime Syndicate of which Mark Seidenberg is the ” bag man;” and the position of his and their ADL and SPLC controllers/masters. In total contrast the REAL AIP, of which I am the Chairman, totally supports the Minutemen ( of which I am one ), fights real racism ( such as that of Planned Parenthood – which is supported again by the ADL and SPLC ), and will continue to both fight illegal immigration and fight to protect the children of the nation from attack by the homosexual community.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  139. former CPer

    Don, I saw a picture of you in SF in some very tight jeans. Did you purposely wear those tight pants to court to attract maybe the attention of a gay man?
    Isn’t it true you long to be held and stroked by another man, a man that smells of English leather, and irish spring? Don I implore you to set your soul free, and LOVE ANOTHER MAN stop fighting the urges, lay your head down, and stop dreaming, make plans to have love in your life! REAL love adult love!! Being gay is not a sin! Love is a good. wwjd? Don I will pray for your happiness, pray that you can find the soft touch of another man not repugneant but pleasing and helpful…..xx

  140. Don Grundmann

    ” those that wish to hide the truth always take the position opposite ”

    Response – Of course Mark you are referring to your own betrayal where you pretended to support the AIP until you could fulfill your mission of betrayal and treason in service of your Republican, ADL, and SPLC masters. That is OK. Keep lying for as long as you can because eternity in Hell is waiting for you. Enjoy your corruption now so that you can savor it for eternity as the demon that you are.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  141. former CPer

    Don do you have a website, I know a gay man that wants to meet with you. he is 55 years young, and he would like to meet with you. yes or no?

  142. Cody Quirk

    former CPer, that’s not her face you moron. The eye frame and mouth is different.

    You call that proof?! LOL!

    And you have the grammar of a kindergardener- use a damn dictionary you idiot!

  143. former CPer

    webisite already verified the info. sorry charlie Chan back to csi school you idiot! (see name calling not so nice super sleuth)

  144. former CPer

    picture taken probably 10 years ago. bet she didn’t think it would still be circulating, be careful what you do in your past…the ghosts come a calling~

  145. CP Drama junkie

    Website owner confirmed

    A) According to you with no proof
    B) Even if the “website owner” did confirm, why should we believe him/her?

    But suppose it is her.

    What’s so horrible about lingerie pictures? Taken 10 years ago? Did she murder someone or rob a bank? Did someone get hurt?

    If you are trying to dig up dirt…this fails on several levels.

  146. CP Drama junkie

    BTW I do not believe you are a former CPer. Something tells me you are the same person who has posted here under other names very negative opinions of CP political stances.

  147. former CPer

    I am not the one that ran for governor under the “christian banner” I am not the one, who decided to put myself in the public light for scrutiny. I am not the one, who ran their mouth about Meg whitman and others in Goverbment like she has, and then claim to be so lily white. She is a fraud, just like all the rest. Thats the claim we make, and as for her so called experience, the picture proves what her experience is in. She can’t even do good porn. She is a fake a liar and not what she wished to portray herself as. Don’t run for office if you don’t wish to be investigated. The media and others investif=gate every nook and crany. So don’t be so surprised. The truth is told. She should be proud of her work. She posed for the picture and received money. Thats her character. Speaks volumes. God bless her little heart. 🙂

  148. former CPer

    Not digging up dirt, she is the one that claims Obama is not a citizen, her conspiracy theories abound. She is the first to open her loud mouth about whats illegal and whats not. She is also the first to scream about her 1st amendment rights FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Well, if she can’t take the heat she better stay out of the politcal kitchen, cause the truth will be told! Works both ways.

  149. Fl Conservative

    Goode/Keyes 2012!!!

    I actually would like Tancredo but he is out running here so I call for Goode to take up the slack, and of course Keyes!!

  150. Cody Quirk

    We all know you’re not a former CP’er- you are the same moron that talks about Chelene having sex with animals.
    Your vulgar BS is only making her look good you sick bastard… Or should I say Don Lake?

  151. Yo, Not Mark

    I am not the one that ran for governor under the “christian banner”

    So you are claiming that someone who did lingerie photoshoots 10 years ago can’t be a Christian now? What version of Christian doctrine are you using?

    …And, we still only have your word that some “website owner” confirms something, which is a very shoddy standard of proof.

    Keep grasping at straws though, it’s quite amusing

  152. Gary Odom

    I suspect that I am probably only talking to Mark Seidenberg, Don Lake, Cody Quirk and Don Grundmann here, but for crying out loud…in the off chance that anyone else really is on this thread…the picture depicted is clearly NOT Chelene Nightingale. It’s not even a photoshop job. It simply isn’t her at all. Anybody who has met her and who actually knows what she looks like can easily tell that. “By deception, thou shalt do war” Nice try, Mark, but no cigar and Happy Chanukkah!

  153. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    I have known some really horrible lawyers [including judges]. What does it take to be induced to surrender a bar association certificate in the state of California?

    Your OPINIONS are duly noted on the ‘photo shopped’ still. [I could care less.] Do you have any comments on the pages of Nightmare Nightingale deceptions? I personally think she is a terrible person, from August 2009.

  154. former CPer

    her hands tell it all. Look at her hands. The little piggie, and her lust for fame sold her soul to the devil. lol of course you will deny, like you deny all the truths! We have more videos. Don’t make us post them. So you can oogle for 3 days then deny them. She knows what she did. She knows that taking money for these things is illegal. What a hypocrite. She yells at immigrants trying to get work on corners yet she takes money for porn shots of her fat arse. HAHAHAH theres your candidate wallow in it you fools!

  155. Don Grundmann

    Lake – There are NO ” pages of Nightmare Nightingale deceptions.” There is only YOU lying about Chelene day after day and comment after comment. How outrageous ( and yet for you how typical ) that an outright liar like you makes such a comment. For it is YOU who are the ” terrible person ” by your endless lying about someone who you have never meant but nevertheless continuously make up outright lies about. As I have said before, Chelene has honor and integrity; 2 character conditions which you are totally allergic to.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  156. Don Grundmann

    Mark – You have no videos. You don’t even have a picture except for your pathetic photoshopping effort. You have claimed to have such videos for many months just as you claimed that one of our side ( the REAL AIP ) was convicted of child molesting and that you would expose them. Yawn. Another day, another lie. But what can one expect from a sub-human thing ( no longer human ) like you and you apprentice Davi Rodrigues? Cowardice, lying, corruption, and treason are the ” stock-in-trade ” of you both. Not one day goes by, and not one hour of that day nor minute of that hour, when you are not lying. The election is over but your treason never ends. Of course evil finds evil ( birds of a feather… ) and so we see your corruption uniting with the corruption of Davi Rodrigues. 2 corrupt enemies of the nation who are also 2 cowards hiding behind fake names. No surprise there. Isn’t that right ” delphi seer?”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  157. joazinha

    Chelene Nightingale is a first-class fraud and schemer. She viciously and falsely accused Mr. Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman Project of neglecting Ramos and Compean while they were unjustly imprisoned. Actually, Mr. Gilchrist was deeply concerned about Ramos and Compean, sharing their story and urging support for them in his countless public appearances. Meanwhile, Nightingale was insidiously exploiting the Ramos and Compean tragedy for publicity purposes. If only Ramos and Compean knew how shallow and manipulative Nightingale really is!

  158. paulie

    She viciously and falsely accused Mr. Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman Project of neglecting Ramos and Compean while they were unjustly imprisoned.

    Nothing unjust about it. They should have been left to rot in prison.

  159. Don Grundmann

    ” joazinha “/Mark Seidenberg : Mark -another year and you are still cowardly writing under fake names. I was at the Minuteman border rally with Chelene in July of 2009 and meant one of the officers. Chelene, as I, was 1,000% supportive of them; a fact of which they are fully aware of. The REAL AIP, as with the Constitution Party, was and is fully supportive of both them and all of our border patrol officers. In complete contrast the ADL, the SPLC, and the ” moderate ” wing of the Republican Party ( all of whom you are an agent for ) are totally opposed to securing our borders and are totally supportive of illegal immigration to both destroy our domestic wage scale, driving our working citizens into poverty, and ( especially in the case of the ADL and the SPLC ) to destroy our nation overall while forever keeping Mexico as a colony of the U.S. in alignment with the wishes of the bankers/Plantation Masters who desire the destruction and serfdom of both nations. It is the Robinson Crime Syndicate, of which you are the ” bag-man,” that has attacked the AIP, the CP, and is the enemy of Ramos, Campeon, and our nation as whole. Unfortunately Mr. Gilcrest has chosen to associate with enemies of the nation, of humanity as a whole, and outright traitors such as yourself. You reveal yourself by your continual habit, as only a coward such as yourself would have, of putting comments on the end of a thread after it has died out in order to smear Chelene with such last comment. It is you ( as an ADL and SPLC agent ) and the Robinson Crime Syndicate as a whole, and those who associate with you, who are the enemy of the patriot and conservative movements, the nation as a whole, and agents Ramos and Campeon.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  160. Cody Quirk

    Nothing unjust about it. They should have been left to rot in prison.

    = Because they were doing their job?

  161. joazinha

    Chelene Nightingale’s “support” of Ramos and Compean is pure put-on. The agents already know that Mr. Gilchrist was NOT to blame for the hijacking and embezzlement of the Minuteman Project as Nightingale so falsely and unjustly claimed he was. In December, 2009, Mr. Gilchrist was acquitted of all wrongdoing by the Orange County Superior Court in the Minuteman Project hijacking. I told Ramos and Compean of this, and they both now greatly appreciate Mr. Gilchrist and the Minuteman Project for publicly advocating for them. And no one can take that away from Mr. Gilchrist and the Minuteman Project now, not even Nothing Nightingale!

  162. _

    watch out Joazinha, you will now be accused of being Mark Seidenberg, as will I. lol those nuts she hangs with, paranoid delusinal fools. They can’t hack that people see through Nightingale and her fraud. That there are many people that think she is a liar nut and porn actress. She could never win in CA ever. She is back with SD minutemen, Jeff Schwilk. Google that guy and see the sick videos someone made gainst him. They show him in womens clothing and also battering a woman., I think the woman :truthbrigade..made the video, she has tons of websites about him. (she was with SOS and nightingale) She just had her children taken away from her, for being an unfit mother. This is what Nightingale and her trash hang with. Unsuitable and disguting.

  163. _

    Al those fringers and conspiracy government haters, see what you did! Another mental case kills innocent people! You all make me sick!

  164. joazinha

    No, the fact that too many nations today refuse to take care of their own people and seek to dump them on other countries–now, THAT’S a crime!

  165. paulie

    Because they were doing their job?

    Shooting a man as he was trying to surrender, and then shooting him again in the back as he was trying to run away, is not “doing their job.” It is criminal misconduct even by the extremely lax standards of the “blue wall of silence.”

    Of course, what their victim was doing should not have been a crime at all, but that’s besides the point.

    They abused their already illegitimate authority and should have never been let out of prison.

    True justice would have been to put them in general population with no special protection and let inmate justice take its course.

  166. paulie

    Cody, the fact that their jobs exist, is itself a crime.

    That too, but that’s besides the point. Even if their job had been legitimate, their actual actions that they were duly convicted of were not.

  167. paulie

    No, the fact that too many nations today refuse to take care of their own people

    Nation-states have no responsibility to take care of “their people” (extortion subjects). Nation states are just big gangs that extort and intimidate people. Their borders have no more legitimacy than any other gang turf lines. People are responsible for taking care of themselves.

    and seek to dump them on other countries–now, THAT’S a crime!

    People are not garbage to be “dumped.” They are free individuals, and make their own way to where willing employers have the money to hire them. Governments should get the hell out of the way. No more welfare, no more drug laws, no more immigration controls, no more “gun control,” no more tax extortion – and the world would be incalculably better off.

  168. Cody Quirk

    So you actually believe the testimony of the suspect (who was coerced by Mexican officials that got to him first) over the agent’s testimony?

    Are you serious?

  169. paulie

    Al those fringers and conspiracy government haters, see what you did! Another mental case kills innocent people!

    And how many innocent people have the haters who are in government killed? It’s not a conspiracy when it’s out in plain sight.

    You all make me sick!

    The feeling is mutual.

  170. paulie

    True justice would have been to put them in general population with no special protection and let inmate justice take its course.

    Better yet, they should have been extradited to Mexico and sentenced to life in Mexican prisons.

  171. joazinha

    Anyone who supports a one-world government is NUTS! I prefer to have my own country! Even if I end up having to go down for it!

  172. paulie

    Anyone who supports a one-world government

    I don’t. I support individual self-government.

    Even where monopoly governments exist, that does not mean they have to have border controls. For the vast majority of its history, the US-Mexican border was not controlled, and people went back and forth freely. Even more recently I remember crossing the US-Canada border numerous times without being stopped and hassled, like they do now.

  173. _

    reminds me as I listen to what this nut in aroizona believed, that he viewed so many things illegal. I saw a certain candidate for governor in ca, yell at police (video online) that when they were doing a sobriety check that it was illegal. Lets, call these paranoid fools what they are UNSTABLE. Anti-goverment talk, comes from mentally unstable people, who suffer from low sefl esteem and must balme someone or something for their own failure in life. I am listening closely and must say I TOLD YOU SO, about some of the candidates running in the CP party. They have mental issues. Thats my opinion and I stand by my views.

  174. joazinha

    We cannot have just individual self-government. The individual is too small a unit on which to base society. The true foundation of society is the family, and the sooner we return to that, the bettet.

  175. Catholic Trotskyist

    A lot of the illegal immigrants are families.
    I agree with Paulie on immigration, but don’t agree with individual self-government in all cases; I in fact do support a one-world government.

    Don Grundman, do you still think Jazinha is an SPLC agent? He’s the main person arguing against “illegal” immigration in this discussion.

  176. _

    grundmann is delusional I have been saying this, he is paranoid. Listen to the commentators on the news descibe “mentally unstable thinking” and that guy in arizona. DG thinks all people thta disagree with him are Mark seidenberg. He cannot fathom that he is wrong, and uses magical thinking to right his assertions. I have been warning you all about his non sense for awhile.

  177. _

    DH apposes the IRS and federal government. he runs around in a devil suit protesting on the steps of the capital. You tell me he is sane? Google Don Grundmann and see the youtubes he has out there.

  178. joazinha

    Immigrants and illegal aliens are as different as night and day. Immigrants are LEGAL newcomers to a nation. Illegal aliens are FOREIGN TRESPASSERS and deserve to be deported!

  179. Don Grundmann

    ” Don Grundman, do you still think Jazinha is an SPLC agent? He’s the main person arguing against “illegal” immigration in this discussion.”

    Response – CT – The comments are, as with so many other things that Seidenberg and the Robinson Criminal Syndicate do, a ” fake out.” Seidenberg is most definately an agent of the ADL, the SPLC, and the Republican ” moderates ” – all enemies of our nation. Example – Mark Robinson, the leader of the Robinson Criminal Syndicate but a lackey himself to Alan Keyes and the Plantation Masters for whom he is a mole/agent himself, jumped on the bandwagon of challenging Obamas birth status. While I agree that Obama is not a U.S. citizen as required by the Constitution Robinson/Keyes simply joined the challenge to obtain ” street cred ” – the ability to point to their actions in the Obama case as if they were doing something to defend the nation while in fact they are betraying the nation in everything else that they do. Think of a ” shell game ” where when you lose track of the shell through the swift movements. When you see the criminality of Seidenberg and The Syndicate, as I have described at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com., you see the reality of what traitors they truly are. Think of a Russian agent who would kill one of his Russian spy partners in order to gain such ” street cred ” from the CIA that he was on their side when in reality he was still a Russian agent. This is the reality of ” joazinha ” – he ( Mark Seidenberg ) is a mole/troll who is the opposite of what he claims to be. The best spy is the one who claims to be your friend so that he can gain your trust and get close enough to stab you in the back. Seidenberg; as with his fellow members of the Robinson Crime syndicate – Mark Robinson, and Ed Noonan; is a professional back-stabber/traitor.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  180. Don Grundmann

    ” DG thinks all people thta disagree with him are Mark seidenberg. ”

    ” _ ” /Mark – Mark, there are plenty of people who disagree with me but you are the only one that writes under fake names and non-names while spreading countless lies in addition to your own criminal activity and actions which I have documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. You are, thankfully, unique in that there is no one else who is a combination of traitor and coward such as you ( although you do have plenty of competition such as Robinson and Noonan ).

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  181. joazinha

    DG is such a dupe. He adores Chelene Nightingale, even thouh she has clearly proven to be beneath contempt.

  182. Don Grundmann

    ” joazinha “/Mark Seidenberg : Mark – You, with your fellow cowards and traitors Robinson and Noonan, deliberately filed fake documents with the SOS office. The commission of a crime. And YOU call Chelene ” beneath contempt????” SHE is a patriotic fighter for our nation. YOU are an ultra corrupt ADL/SPLC agent working for the enemies of our nation. Case closed for who is truly ” beneath contempt.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  183. joazinha

    Chelene Nightingale IS beneath contempt. She is NO patriot. She is a slimy schemer who manipulates everything and everyone for her own ends. Her low-life lies have destroyed countless reputations and friendships. She nearly ruined the good relations of Mr. Jim Gilchrist with Ramos and Compean by vilely and falsely blaming Mr. Gilchrist for embezzlement from the Minutemen Project However, the agents know better now and deeply appreciate Mr. Gilchrist and the Minuteman Project for publicly upholding them. And nobody, not even nothing nightingale, will ever be able to steal that from Mr. Gilchrist, the Minuteman Project, or Ramos and Compean ever again. I am among the many patriots who will see to that.

  184. Don Grundmann

    ” joazinha ” : Mark, you are and always will be a liar. Ramos and Compeon probably don’t realize that you and your ADL/SPLC/Republican ” moderate ” friends ( including Gilchrist? ) are an even greater betrayer to them than the government was. Anything that you and your fellow criminals attach to, such as the AIP or the Minuteman Project, is destined to be destroyed and/or used against true freedom loving Americans and patriots. Hence there can be no doubt that you and your fellow agents were part of the behind the scenes anti-American team that worked to put them in jail in the first place. Now it is only a matter of time before these brave border agents again have your knife in their back. Chelene can hopefully save them from your next betrayal.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  185. joazinha

    Chelene Nightingale has been rightly sued for criminal defamation and financial fraud. She was convicted of fraud last year over a $6000 loan she borrowed under false pretenses. Claiming she needed the money for necessities, Nightingale instead used it to launch her fraudulent CA governor campaign. She appealed the conviction, but lost. To my knowledge, Nightingale is still delinquent in repaying the loan. Unless and until she does, Nightingale will always remain a filthy fraud.

  186. Don Grundmann

    ” joazinha “/Mark Seidenberg : Mark, another day and another outright lie by you. Yawn. Somethings never change and your non-stop lying is one of them. Chelene was NEVER convicted of fraud. Period. She had many people who donated to her campaign. You just continue to attack her because she is continuing to work with the patriot movement ( your enemy and the enemy of your ADL/SPLC masters ) to save the nation. Hence you attack her as part of your overall attack against our nation. People will know 2 things – 1) Chelene is not a liar/fraud/traitor. 2) You are. Case closed.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  187. joazinha

    The financial fraud conviction against Chelene Nightingale really happened and is on the public record. She is in fact a real fraud! And unless and until she makes due restitution for the money she fraudulently borrowed, Nightingale will remain a fraud. Not a true patriot, but a real phony! Case closed.

  188. Not mark, Truth Teller

    Seek help DG. You are delusional and fit the portrait of someone with unstable thoughts.

  189. Don Grundmann

    ” joazinha “/ Mark Seidenberg – No Mark, it is YOU who are the fraud/liar/traitor as I have documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. It is YOU who helped construct and file the fake documents with the Secretary of State office. Chelene was NOT convicted of financial fraud. You, as usual, are, in addition to being an ADL/SPLC agent, an outright and total liar. Go back and tell your ADL/SPLC masters/controllers that the patriot/conservative movement will not be destroyed by them. Instead the reverse will occur as they, along with their agents like you, will finally be exposed and destroyed.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  190. paulie

    The true foundation of society is the family

    Families, being voluntary associations of those individuals who are capable of providing for themselves, are an aspect of individual self-government, as are all voluntary associations of any size. I’m not sure what you mean by “return”; families obviously still exist.

  191. paulie

    Immigrants and illegal aliens are as different as night and day. Immigrants are LEGAL newcomers to a nation.

    What gives the regime the authority to determine who is “legal”? I say any such authority is illegitimate.

    The only thing separating the two are arbitrary and capricious regime edicts.

    It is the edicts that are illegitimate, not the migration.

    Illegal aliens

    No such thing. No human being is illegal.

    are FOREIGN TRESPASSERS

    For that to be true, the regime would have to own the whole country. Trespass is defined as crossing a property line without permission.

    But, if we were to agree that the regime is the property owner of the whole area within its self-proclaimed borders, those of us residing therein would be at best serfs.

    I disagree with any such notion.

    and deserve to be deported!

    Deport the regimists!

  192. joazinha

    Chelene Nightingale was duly convicted of fraud regarding the $6000 loan she fraudulently borrowed. She lost her appeal, and will soon face another lawsuit by her creditor to recover his money. Other lawsuits against Nightingale are also pending. The AIP sued her last year for falsely registering as a political candidate under their banner. Mr. Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman Project has allegedly again filed suit against Nightingale for various reasons. The Child Protection Services allegedly took Nightingale’s child from her. Nightingale is not only a fraud, she is a goon as well! She is self-absorbed and delusional, and belongs in the rubber room!

  193. _

    Did they take her kid? I figured as much, being her and her husband have no stable income or environment, and the kid was not allowed to attend school, because “the gov might micro-chip him” (tell me this isn’t unstable behavior.) Her views can now be applied to the “unstable.” I kept telling you folks about this, but ohh noo, she needs help and lets hope she gets the help she needs before a melt down.

  194. Don Grundmann

    ” joazinha “/” _ “/ Mark Seidenberg : Mark, it has been over 2 months since the elections and you are still putting out your same outrageous lies. A) There was no lawsuit from the fake AIP for ” registering as a political candidate.” No lawyer, even the rats who support you ( a King Rat ) would not put such a stupid lawsuit before a judge because they know how idiotic it would be and look. ONLY YOU would make such an idiotic and totally assinine comment!!!! B) CPS did not take Chelenes child. That is yet another fantastic and outrageous lie by you. C) Chelene was never convicted of fraud. Yet ANOTHER fantastic and outrageous lie by the King of Liars. D) Writing under a fake name and then writing to yourself in the next comment under another fake name. How typical for you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  195. joazinha

    If “no human being is illegal,” then murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves, and other such undesirables would not be illegal folks. But they are because of the crimes they committed. If no human being were illegal, then anyone should be able to go anywhere anytime with no legal restrictions. This is not the case, and with good reason. Illegal immigration is a crime, and those guilty of it are illegal aliens. They are foreign trespassers and must be deported.

  196. joazinha

    Fellow patriots, the REAL truth about Chelene Nightingale–that she is a delusional, self-seeking crackpot–is by now as plain as day. Yet there are dupes who refuse to see that. Let’s not debate this any longer, for it is futile to argue with fools.

  197. paulie

    If “no human being is illegal,” then murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves, and other such undesirables would not be illegal folks.

    They are not illegal people, they are people who have committed illegal actions. Not all “laws” are justified laws, however. Trespass is only trespass against legitimate property owners. The regime is not the legitimate property owner of the whole country.

    No victim = no crime.

  198. paulie

    If no human being were illegal, then anyone should be able to go anywhere anytime with no legal restrictions.

    Incorrect. You seem to be unable to distinguish between legitimate property lines and regime “borders.” Crossing legitimate property lines is trespass; crossing regime “borders” would only be trespass if the regime owned everything….which would make everyone serfs or slaves within its borders.

  199. joazinha

    National borders are legitimate, and vital to the preservation of law and order. Illegal immigration is the violation of these limits. It is no less a crime than burglary or home invasion.

  200. Catholic Trotskyist

    No national borders are not legitimate. Only the plannet as a whole is legitimate and can truly preserve law and order. A nation is not a property.

    Paulie and I have disagreements on how we get to our immigration positions, very much so, but we are pretty similar on this issue. At least we’re not attacking each other nonstop like the people on the anti-immigrant side.

  201. paulie

    It is no less a crime than burglary or home invasion.

    For that to be true the regime would have to own all property in the country. Think through what that implies, and get back to me as to whether you consider the regime to be the owner of all within the borders it claims.

    Hint: I left the USSR and don’t want to see it follow me.

  202. joazinha

    My maternal family also left the USSR, but from how things are going.these days, they say that our country may likely be turning into the American USSR.

  203. Opeach Obama, FYI! [Lake]

    In the 1950s the USA blew it in Iran, South East Asia, Latin America ………

    In the 1099s the USA grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory in the Middle East, Yugoslavia, and ultimately the former USSR.

    In victory over Russia, in and out of Afghanistan, we blew it, we blew it, we blew it!

  204. paulie

    from how things are going.these days, they say that our country may likely be turning into the American USSR.

    Exactly. And if you help erect walls – actual as well as virtual – around the country and post guard troops around them thinking they will fence people out, don’t be surprised if the guns are turned around and the walls are used to fence you in.

    It can happen here.

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