Presidential Race 2012: Third party stats concerning ballot status

from Ballot Access News
Minor Party Presidential Ballot Status, Compared to Four Years Ago at this Point

November 5th, 2010

The Libertarian Party now has an automatic spot on the 2012 presidential ballot in 26 states.  If it meets the vote tests in New York and/or Utah, that will go up to either 27 or 28.  Four years ago at this time, the Libertarian Party had presidential ballot status in 24 states.  The changes relative to mid-November 2006, and now, are:  gains in Nebraska, North Carolina, and Ohio; and a loss in Wisconsin.

The Green Party now has an automatic spot on the 2012 presidential ballot in 14 states.  Four years ago at this time, the Green Party had it in 18 states.  The changes relative to mid-November 2006, and now, are:  gains in New York, Ohio, Texas, and West Virginia; and losses in Delaware, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Wisconsin.

The Constitution Party now has an automatic spot on the 2012 presidential ballot in 12 states.  Four years ago at this time, the Constitution Party had it in 13 states.  Changes are:  gains in Missouri, Ohio, and Wisconsin; and losses in California, Delaware, Montana, and Nebraska.

Parties with the name “Independent Party”, “Independence Party”, “Moderate Party”, “Reform Party”, or “Natural Law Party” are ballot-qualified for president in 2012 in these 13 states:  Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and South Carolina.  This does not mean that these 13 state parties are necessarily associated with each other.  They are all parties without a fixed ideology.  The New Mexico Independent Party is still ballot-qualified for president because it met the vote test of one-half of 1% for President in 2008, and New Mexico gives parties that meet the vote test two elections.  However, the New Mexico Independent Party appears to be defunct.  The others are all functioning and had candidates on ballots in 2010.

14 thoughts on “Presidential Race 2012: Third party stats concerning ballot status

  1. paulie

    LP: North Carolina and Ohio are big ballot access jobs. Especially North Carolina….they give you a long time to do it, but it was about 100,000 signatures.

    Nebraska is not as bad on paper, but we found the situation on the ground to be a lot more difficult…I have never in 12 years and over 30 states encountered a state where it was nearly so difficult to get ballot access signatures for an alternative party as it was in Nebraska.

    Wisconsin is an easy state, so that’s not a huge loss. LP is better off, especially if we end up getting NY.

    Greens are better off as well..NY and TX far outweigh the states they lost, and Ohio pretty much balances out Illinois.

    I would say the Constitution Party is on balance worse off, but only if they can’t get the courts to give them California back. If they do, Missouri and Ohio trump the states they lost.

    I don’t agree with Richard that all the parties in the last paragraph have no fixed ideology. Some of them have a centrist/moderate ideology.

    If the NM Independent Party is defunct, the Libertarians or Greens should take it over. It’s easier to get signatures to get an “independent party” on the ballot because many people don’t know there’s more than one “independent” alternative party. And, wherever voter registration is a criterion for permanent ballot access, having “independent” in the name of your party is a huge plus.

  2. Single Winner Districts = Neanderthal Attractor

    …we’ve got plenty of time for jokes AND mistakes…at current pace, Battle of the Bulge is about 150,000 years in the future. From what I see, everybody is guilty of thinking they can do it alone, without team work.

    Paulie included.

    Keep that attitude…follow that path…and it keeps you on Normandy Beach pretty much forever.

  3. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    You stated “I would say the Constitution Party is on balance worse off, but only if they can’t get
    the courts to give thyem California back. If they
    do [get the California Superior Court or the
    California Court of Appeals covering Solano County], Missouri and Ohio trump the states they lost.”

    Please explain what you are talking about in the
    statement?

    First, the Constitution Party at the last registration count of electors in California is at
    163.

    On the other hand the last count by the SOS
    was at 413,032 AIP electors in California. The
    American Independent Party is affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party since June 2008. The next court hearing will be on March
    11, 2011 on King v. Robinson.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  4. paulie

    Please explain what you are talking about in the
    statement?

    Why, it’s quite simple.

    At some point in the future, the courts may reverse themselves and give control of the AIP ballot line back to the people aligned with the Constitution Party.

    Since it is not clear whether that will happen before 2012 or not, we don’t yet know whether the Constitution Party is better off in terms of its ballot access than it was 4 years ago.

    The answer to that will depend on what the courts ultimately do in your struggle.

  5. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    You state that “At some point in the future, the courts may reverse themselves and give control of the AIP ballot line back to the people aligned
    with the Constitution Party.”

    I did not know the ballot line was ever controlled
    by the Constitution Party. It is the AIP State Central Committee that “controls its ballot line”.

    Back in 2008. I was the elected the head of the
    delegation from California to the Connstitution
    Party Convention. Then in June, 2008 the
    State Central Committee voted to have an
    affiliation with the America’s Independent Party.
    The Constitution Party is just past history.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    Amereican Independent Party

  6. Darryl W. Perry

    @Mark, Paulie did not say the ballot line was controlled “by the Constitution Party”
    he said, “people aligned with the Constitution Party” – there is a difference!

  7. paulie

    I did not know the ballot line was ever controlled
    by the Constitution Party.

    It was controlled by a faction which aligned with the Constitution Party and put the Constitution Party’s presidential nominees on the ballot for president.

    The SOS gave your group control. The courts may or may not take it away.

    If they give it back to the group that is aligned with the CP, the CP’s ballot access situation will be better than it was in 2006. If not, then it is worse.

  8. Don Grundmann

    ” Then in June, 2008 the State Central Committee voted to have an affiliation with the America’s Independent Party.”

    Response – As documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com the ” vote ” mentioned above never happened. It was a total fake which lead to the deliberate filing of fake documents with the Secretary of State office. The ” leadership ” of the state recognized AIP; i.e.; the Robinson criminal enterprise of which Mark Seidenberg is the ” bag man;” exists to this date only upon their corruption. The REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the AIP of which I am the Chairman, will eliminate the Robinson criminal organization from their control of the AIP.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

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  10. Allen

    If the Constitution party is only ballot qualified in 12 states then why do they say they are America’s third largest party. At least from a ballot access point of view the Libertarians seem to be the third largest party.

  11. paulie

    The CP’s sole claim to the #3 spot rests on voter registration, if the AIP registrations in California are counted as CP. However, at this time the State government of California does not recognize the CP-connected AIP faction as the legitimate party, instead they recognize a group which allies with America’s Independent Party (see comments above).

    Furthermore, while the AIP in California does have a lot of voter registrations, that does not translate into a lot of votes in most races. This is because most of those voters just checked the wrong box on the form, thinking they were registering nonpartisan because the party haas “Independent” in its name. I’ve personally registered well over 10,000 voters in California in 2000-2005 and have seen this happen many times. Some would go back and tear up the form after I told them, others would say they don’t care either way and didn’t want to take the time.

    It would be even sillier for America’s Independent Party to claim to be the 3rd largest party. They were on the ballot only in the two easiest states (CO and FL) for President besides CA, and didn’t have any candidates in this month’s elections anywhere besides California that I know of. Yes, I know they endorsed Tancredo, but he was not on their ballot line.
    And in California, voters in their own primary picked candidates affiliated with the Constitution Party faction for most offices.

    So the truth is, neither the CP nor the AIP is the third biggest. The Libertarian Party is third biggest by most measures, and the Greens by a few other measures.

  12. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    What are the measures you are using. If one
    takes the 413,o32 number from court of the
    total claimed by the CP on their website of
    367,000 what number do you have? The
    SOS of California claims the Constitution
    Party of California is at 163.

    Are you trying to state that the CP is in negative numbers?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party since June
    27, 2008 of Fenton, Michigan.

    P.S. the CP is past history.

  13. JT

    Mark: “Are you trying to state that the CP is in negative numbers?”

    Is this a joke? How could you think anyone could be trying to say that?

    If any of you guys were honest, you’d stop trying to trick unknowing people and give up the “American Independent Party” name. Call yourselves the Christian Conservative Party instead. Then see how many voter registrations you have in CA. Of course you won’t do that, because you like deceiving people and then pointing to that number as evidence of your “support” (despite the odd fact that your vote totals are nowhere near that number).

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