Wayne Root: ‘The Gabrielle Giffords Tragedy: How Liberal Media Distorted the Message and Lynched the Tea Party’

Emailed by Wayne Root to contact.ipr@gmail.com:

What Liberal Media- Including FOX News- Didn’t Tell You.

Is it the Tea Party to Blame, or the Media and Hollywood?

By Wayne Allyn Root

As Americans and simply decent human beings, all of us should be shocked and saddened by Saturday’s tragedy in Tucson, Arizona. Nineteen shot. Six are dead — including a Federal Judge and an innocent nine-year-old girl. And a talented United States Congresswoman lies in a coma after being shot in the head. This is about tragedy and humanity. This isn’t about politics. There is nothing to spin here. A deranged man went on a killing rampage — no more, no less.

This is no different than the Columbine, Colorado high school massacre of a decade ago. Did the media ask what the politics of the Columbine shooters were? No. Because that tragedy was about violent, mentally unstable, murdering madmen shooting everything in their path. Just like Saturday’s shooting rampage. When crazy people go wild, why do we look to blame someone, or some political philosophy? The blame is on the crazy person.

Yet on Saturday, as we surfed the Internet and watched the TV news, we saw the “blame game” on display again. Geraldo Rivera on Fox News attributing culpability to the Tea Party…and even trying to tie in Sarah Palin to boot. We heard liberal Democratic Arizona Congressman Raul Grijalva blaming the Tea Party. We read leftist columnists at Huffington Post calling for reigning in the gun industry (even though Representative Giffords strongly supports the Second Amendment).

Giffords was barely out of surgery when the angry left had already formed a consensus — “Let’s blame the Tea Party.” Never let facts get in the way of a good liberal media lynching. Despite the nonstop ranting of the left accusing the Tea Party of inciting violence, there has NEVER been even one reported incidence of violence in the last two years at any Tea Party event in America. To my knowledge, there has never been one reported incidence of violence anywhere in this entire country committed by anyone tied to a Tea Party. That is an amazing record of peace, not violence.

Yet the liberal media and the angry left drone on with their slanderous storyline — attempting to paint the Tea Party and those who support smaller government as nutty and violent, even though there is no known connection between the shooter and any Tea Party.

To the contrary, the shooter named “The Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books on his My Space page. Shouldn’t the media be making a connection to the left if this is the case? A former classmate described the shooter as a leftist. But that connection has not been mentioned by any media talking head I’ve seen. That would ruin the storyline.

And why no mention of the fact that “Mein Kampf” was the shooter’s other favorite book? Like me, Congressman Giffords is Jewish (the first Jewish Congressperson from Arizona). If the shooter is a fan of Hitler’s writings, and tried to assassinate a Jewish member of Congress, why isn’t he being painted as an anti-Semitic white supremacist? Because that storyline would not damage the Tea Party movement.

Gabrielle Giffords is not a liberal Congresswoman. She supports gun rights and wants to seal the border. She comes from a prominent family of Republican businesspeople. She is the only member of Congress married to an active military member (a Space Shuttle astronaut). She is nationally known as a blue dog Democrat. There is nothing ultra-liberal about her. She has more in common with Rush Limbaugh than Nancy Pelosi. So how would this assassination attempt by a deranged shooter who loved “The Communist Manifesto” be in any way Tea Party-related? It isn’t. But that would spoil the liberal media’s narrative.

We live in a world where the mainstream media, television and Hollywood glorify and hype violence 24 hours a day. “If it bleeds, it leads” is the mantra of TV news directors from coast to coast. The evening news is filled with murder, rape and violence sensationalized to pump up ratings. Even TV sports are in the business of promoting violence. Ever watch ESPN? At all hours of the day their sportscasters glorify violence and encourage more of it by screaming “He got JACKED UP!” Watch any video game, any movie, virtually any popular TV show — the common ingredient is ever more extreme levels of violence.

We should all support free speech and the right of the TV, movie, or media industries to put whatever they want on the screen. I do. But if the media is going to look for someone to blame (in order to create controversy and pump up their ratings), shouldn’t they look in the mirror at their own contributions to the glorifying of violence? Isn’t it hypocritical, fraudulent and slanderous to blame Tea Party activists who have no connection whatsoever to this tragedy, and give a free pass towards ultra-liberal Hollywood and mainstream media? But again that would spoil the narrative.

In the end, our thoughts should not be engaged in the blame game. Our thoughts and prayers should be with Congresswoman Giffords, her hero patriot husband, and all the victims of this horrendous act of senseless brutality. There is only one person to blame- the shooter. But then admitting that is pretty boring. It doesn’t create controversy. It won’t raise ratings for the media. And it won’t slander and tarnish the Tea Party.

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee and now serves as Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee. He is a regular on media across the USA- including FOX News, as well as the best-selling author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts.” His web site is:www.ROOTforAmerica.com

Wayne Allyn Root
2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee

76 thoughts on “Wayne Root: ‘The Gabrielle Giffords Tragedy: How Liberal Media Distorted the Message and Lynched the Tea Party’

  1. LP Press Release on AZ

    Lynched? Oh, rose fertilizer.

    Courtesy of far right blog Little Green Footballs we have a series of fine photos of the tea party DC event, and some of the ‘peaceful’ signage, signage that caused decent conservatives to be very concerned about tea parties and right wing fruitcakes, the likes of Michael Savage and Glenn Beck, far before Judge Roll was assassinated yesterday:


    If the Libertarian National Committee has any sense, it would insist that its members disassociate themselves from the Tea Party’s Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, violence threatening wing.

    Someplace in the Tea Party are some lost libertarian souls, but they need to be lured out of the swamps of conservative islamophobia and neofascism — if George Bush is a conservative, I repeat myself — not have their swamp defended.

  2. Robert Capozzi

    At the moment, it appears Loughner is responsible, and no one else…not the “Tea Party,” not the media, not Hollywood. We don’t know his motive, or whether he was just simply deranged.

    Could cultural influences affect how a person thinks and acts? Yes, to some extent. Do some Tea Partiers sometimes use thinly veiled threats of violence? Yes, some do. Did Palin use bulleyes on districts she wanted to see go R? Yes.

    That’s about all we know. Jumping to conclusions beyond that seems hasty.

  3. Thomas M. Sipos

    I watched Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and C-SPAN for several hours yesterday, flipping about partially to compare their coverage.

    Contrary to Root’s claim, the “Liberal Media” did not “distort” anything. Overwhelmingly, the mainstream media did not blame the Left or Right. Overwhelmingly, the mainstream media talked about how all Americans, Republican and Democrat, come together at a time like this.

    Root is not only wrong, he is using this tragedy to get his face before the media. Using this tragedy to attract fans with his own red meat attacks on “Hollywood violence” and the “liberal media.”


    Root: “Even TV sports are in the business of promoting violence. Ever watch ESPN?”

    This, coming from a man who made much of his money off of sports betting? Made his money off of ESPN’s “violent broadcasts”?

  4. Tom Blanton

    Gee, I wonder why so many Americans confuse libertarianism with the tea party movement.

    Root thinks this shooting isn’t about politics as if it were a random occurrence. I’m sure his tea party friends will glad to hear that. But, what will supporters of Giffords think of Root’s article after they realize he wants to empower the citizen revolution with guns (and God, too)?

    In lieu of making a disgusting comment referencing an orifice of the human body, I’ll simply resort to basic sarcasm now.

    No matter what Root says or does, he should never be criticized because of the incredible work he has done for the LP. Where would the LP be without the millions of members Root has personally recruited, the millions of dollars he has raised for the LP, and the hundreds of LP candidates that he has helped to win elections? Not to mention the new paradigms he has brought to libertarianism as one of this century’s foremost libertarian thinkers. If you don’t like Root, well… well… er uh….compete with him!

  5. Sebastian Knowlton


    I agree. For Root to be using something as tragic as a public shooting for his own political gain is beyond disguting, and I’m not sure that I can put it into words. What a piece of fucking shit.

  6. Jill Pyeatt

    I’ve watched the media reports with much interest, and it is amazing how so many people are using this to further their personal agendas. I agree with Wayne that the Tea Party and Sarah Palin (as if they’re the same) have been blamed, but there are also attempts to blame Obama’s rhetoric and, of course, the most evil of all apparently, anarchists. Plus, apparently the young man is gay. There really is something for everyone here.

    Ultimately, most people agree this incident will promote the movement to remove guns from citizens.

    An incredibly creepy coincidence: the little girl who died (IMO, perhaps the most tragic of all) was born September 11, 2001. I read this on CNN.

    I’ll agree with Wayne that this is a terrible tragedy not only for Americans, but all decent human beings.

  7. Rich Vanier

    I agree with Jill. This is a sad event perpetrated by a evil, disturbed person.

    It is my fear that the Obama and The Left will use this tragedy to censor talk radio and the internet. They will also use this tragedy to further weakened the 2nd Amendment.

  8. New year sos

    rICH ALL YOU CAN THINK ABOUT HIS YOUR OWN SELFISH INTERESTS AT THIS TIME?>?? A little girl and others killed and all you think about is your free speech and gun rights?? SEEK HELP!

  9. New year sos

    The pundits and talking heads have been walking a very thin line for awhile.
    There is one thing to have discussion but another when you use (crosshairs) on people in pictures and throw around gun talk and othe terms “lock and load” YES you are allowed to say this crap BUT SHOULD YOU!!? jUST BECA– USE SOMETHING is legal dosen’t mean it is wise. I hope all these right leaning loud mouths get censored.
    God knows this “site” censors people. so YEAH, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! I am personally sick of listening to blowhard arseholes acting like badasses, speaking a tough talk. STFU!

  10. Michael H. Wilson

    I am sure everybody in the nation has an opinion on this. In my opinion, for what it is worth, all of us need to stop the blame game and labeling and instead discuss the issues. The generalization that passes for discussion is not good by any stretch of the imagination. Calling someone a rightwinger, or a liberal, or balming the unions, or labeling Obama a socialist doesn’t shed any light on any problem. Some of us could lead the effort if we tried.

  11. wolfefan

    Interesting to contrast Wayne Root’s remarks with those of Peg Dunmire a couple of posts earlier… I am not a Tea Party type so do not know who is more reflective of the rank-and-file, but I appreciate Ms. Dunmire’s recognition of the reality of hate speech from her side as opposed to Mr. Root’s less balanced take.

  12. wolfefan

    I’d also note that some of the You-tube videos posted by the shooter reference the importance of the gold standard. Would Wayne argue that this means Ron Paul sympathies coud be behind the shooting?

  13. Alan Pyeatt

    I don’t think it’s surprising at all that many members of the media and politics would jump on this tragedy to further their own agendas. Right or wrong, that’s what people do. Both Rahm Emmanuel and Milton Friedman recognized that crises present opportunities to change the existing policies. That’s not a bad thing in itself, although there are times (like the current one?) where it IS in bad taste to try to capitalize on current events.

    That being said, I don’t know why Rich’s post @7 should be interpreted as referring to “selfish interests.” Does anyone think this is NOT being used by the statists to push for gun control and censorship?

    IF rational motives could be attributed to the shooter – and I’m inclined to think they can not – then the only philosophy I can ascertain is radicalism. Let’s see, twp of his favorite books are the “Communist Manifesto” and “Mein Kampf”? And he’s described as a left-wing Nazi? And on top of that, he’s supposed to be an anarchist? How much more contradictory can you get? Is there any reason to think that he has ever read – much less understood – Lysander Spooner, Emma Goldman, or Peter Kropotkin?

    Sounds to me like he’s just a wacko that sees himself as some sort of vaguely anti-establishment radical. And so, he committed a radical act: shooting a Congresswoman and her constituents at a peaceful event.

    So, unless some reason to think he really had a political philosophy comes out, I think that anybody who asserts ANY kind of political motivation is just making it up.

  14. kray

    She most assuredly is a liberal…she supports the slaughter of a defenseless baby in the womb. That is an evil, terroristic act against a defenseless baby. That is one of the bastions of the demented liberal idealogy.

    She also supported the un-Constitutional socialist health scare plan of the fool occupying our white house.

    So you can smooth it over any way you want….you are just another phony, psuedo-intelletual grounded in dangerous, unethical moral values….or lack thereof.

  15. paulie Post author

    A little girl and others killed and all you think about is your free speech and gun rights?

    If we don’t work to preserve free speech, gun rights, and all our liberties all the time, history is replete with examples of what will happen: millions of people will die.


  16. paulie Post author

    I hope all these right leaning loud mouths get censored.

    Maybe you should move to North Korea, I think you’d like it.

    God knows this “site” censors people.

    With very, very few exceptions, we do not “censor” anyone or anything.

    Also, this site is private property. Censorship is something governments do.

  17. Not mark, Truth Teller

    Kray sounds like a woamn who ran an unsuccessful campaign for governor.
    This person is a big fan of bob kray, and her drivel matches her pathetic views she spewed during her gov bashing conspriracy tinged run. Garbage through and through. and A Pig!

  18. Mark

    The tea party isn’t to blame here, hmm? An innocent bystander, the fall-guy perhaps?

    Then what the hell ARE “second-amendment remedies?”

  19. Alan Pyeatt

    Mark, a true 2nd Amendment remedy is the use of a weapon in defense. Initiating violence is not part of a 2nd Amendment remedy, it would be a CRIMINAL ACT. That’s why we Libertarian Party members sign a pledge that we do not advocate the INITIATION of violence to achieve social or political goals. Defense is a different story.

    Until and unless evidence comes out that this guy had rational motives, he still looks like a deranged crackpot to me.

    Of course, some members of the Tea Party may see things differently than I do.

  20. Deran

    I can’t find the timeline, but after this shooting there was a timeline put together of rightwing violence in the last several years. And please note; despite all the amnger at cheney/Bush, there were no leftwing massacres or attempts to assasinate politicians during the 8 awful Bush years. It is the false “Patriots” that have led the attempts to violently overthrow the government.

    Root is pandering to the same crypto-fascist scare mongering that has got the shooter riled up in the first place.

  21. Cody Quirk

    re Cody @ 17. From what I have read of her work Pamela Geller is not the most responsible person in the media.

    = It’s already a fact that Jared’s friends are claiming that he was a left-winger; one of his former friends claiming that is Caitie Parker, who herself is a liberal.

    Sorry, but Jared Loughner wasn’t right-wing at all- deal with it.

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    “Mainstream reporters tended to focus on Geller’s bizarre stunts. She posted a video of herself splashing around in a string bikini on a Fort Lauderdale beach, for instance, while ranting about “left-tards” and “Nazi Hezbollah.” Her call for boycotting Campbell’s Soup because the company offered halal — approved under Islamic law (as kosher food is under Jewish law) — versions of its products got her much attention, as did her promotion of a screed claiming that President Barack Obama was the illegitimate lovechild of Malcolm X.”

  23. Steven R Linnabary

    To get back on topic…

    I find Root’s latest essay fairly good. He starts off with a good hook, his opening paragraph. And his closing paragraph, his conclusion is spot on.

    The trouble is that it is too damned long. Root takes his good opening and closing, and fills in the middle with a meandering 893 words. Way too long to build his case.

    I read the whole essay, but I don’t know if your average reader would take the time. If my eyes start to glaze over, I’m sure others will, too.

    OTOH, Root did mention ESPN as a possible purveyor of violence. This might cause people to think. And when people think, eventually they will become libertarian.

    Sometimes Root does make himself easy to criticize, but not in this essay.


  24. Robert Capozzi

    tms33: It’s ironic that Root is spun as an LP “moderate.”

    me: I’ve never seen anyone spin about Root using moderate. Do you know any examples off the top?

  25. JT

    Blanton: “In lieu of making a disgusting comment referencing an orifice of the human body, I’ll simply resort to basic sarcasm now.”

    Thank God.

    This is odd:
    “To the contrary, the shooter named “The Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books on his My Space page. Shouldn’t the media be making a connection to the left if this is the case? A former classmate described the shooter as a leftist. But that connection has not been mentioned by any media talking head I’ve seen. That would ruin the storyline.”

    So after saying this tragedy “isn’t about politics” and before saying we “should not be engaged in the blame game,” Root blames the “liberal media” for not making a connection to the Left (and for glorifying violence). I’d have no problem with Root chastising people in the media who are trying to use this tragedy to score political points. But this editorial seems hypocritical. Does anyone seriously think Root would write an editorial excoriating Rush Limbaugh or National Review Online if they linked this occurrence to the shooter’s apparently Leftist persuasion? Give me a break.

    Plus, Root barely includes references to particular people or programs. He instead paints the media with a broad brush as portraying this sad event as related to the Tea Party, a false generalization. Geraldo Rivera and the Huffington Post–both of which are openly liberal–aren’t necessarily representative of the media at large.

  26. Kimberly Wilder

    I don’t like to agree with Wayne Root. Because, sometimes he says stuff full of intolerance.


    I have to agree with a lot of his post, here.

    Clearly, someone wanted to use this incident to brandish the Tea Party and right-leaning movements. In addition, there were very pointed jabs at Sarah Palin. All of it was probably very inappropriate to happen so suddenly, when facts needed to be known, another criminal may be on the loose, and the country needed to assess the situation and focus on the victims a bit.

    I do believe that a general sense of “political hate” was a background cause of this. Some people — on the left and the right — are so adamant, and will play so dirty for their cause, that mentally ill people could become confused and think fighting and violence were wanted.

    There has been a lot of exagerrating and polarizing of sides in this situation which does not reflect the state of reality. (Including the fact that Democrats are not as progressive as people think, and the media have not always characterized the specific, political positions of the shooter and the victims accurately.)

  27. Be Rational

    Evidence shows that Loughner has been attending events and writing to Giffords since 2007 and that his ravings were already apparent at that time.

    The seeds for this attack had already been planted before then. He was already on his way down the road to violence, following the lunatic “logic” and paranoia that caused him to hate nearly everyone, and this attack would have likely occured no matter who the Congressman was in his district.

    The attack had nothing to do with the Tea Party, Palin, Libertarianism, nor the rabid hate filled speech sometimes heard on talk radio. Likewise, this attack had nothing to do with Liberals, Marx, Hitler or Obama nor any of the left wing radicals.

    The attack came because Laughner followed the ravings he heard daily in his own head. He wanted to assassinate someone – and unlike other loonies such as John Hinkley and Squeaky Fromm, he could only reach as high as the US House. His own lack of mental capacity, intellect, ability and ambition which doomed him to the life of a loser is what drove him to an attack of rage, lashing out at others whom he blames for his own failures. Yet, those same defects caused him to limit his attack to a low level target.

    He was obviously unable to perceive reality and was in need of serious professional help, as you can see in his writings, and there is no one to blame for this attack but Laughner himself – and his twisted mind.

  28. Be Rational

    Loughner’s writings include this:

    “My final thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!

    Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!

    The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!

    If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E. then the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E. is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,610 B.C.E.

    987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E.

    Therefore the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E. is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

    If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

    B.C.E. years are unable to start.

    Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

    If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E. don’t cease.

    A.D.E. is endless in year.

    Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don’t cease.

    If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that’s replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

    I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.

    Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

    Every human who’s mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.

    If you create one new currency then you’re able to create a second new currency.

    If you’re able to create second new currency then you’re able to create third new currency.

    You create one new currency.

    Thus, you’re able to create a third currency.

    You’re a treasurer for a new currency, listener?

    You create and distribute your new currency, listener?

    You don’t allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?

    If you create one new language then you’re able to create a second new language.

    If you’re able to create second new language then you’re able to create third new language.

    You create one new language.

    Thus, you’re able to create a third language.

    All humans are in need of sleep.

    Jared Loughner is a human.

    Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.


    If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

    I define sleepwalking.

    Thus sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

    I’m a sleepwalker — who turns off the alarm clock.

    All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.

    Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.

    Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.


    If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

    I define terrorist.

    Thus, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

    If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
    You call me a terrorist.
    Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

    Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

    Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.

    Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

    I didn’t write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.

    The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America’s Constitution.

    You don’t have to accept the federalist laws.

    Nonetheless, read the United States of America’s Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

    You’re literate, listener?

    If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

    The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.

    Thus, the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

    In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

    No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!

    No! I won’t trust in God!”

  29. Thomas M. Sipos

    Capozzi: “I’ve never seen anyone spin about Root using moderate. Do you know any examples off the top?”

    You either just discovered IPR (which you didn’t) or this is another example of your dishonesty.

    Root’s defenders constantly contrast Root to those “abolitionists” (your word), “radicals,” and “purists.”

    Gee, if the spin is that Root is not of the radical faction, what’s the implication?

    Capozzi, you know that Root is spun as part of the LP’s “moderate, mainstream, voter-friendly” faction.

  30. Robert Capozzi

    tms, yes, “voter-friendly” I can see to some extent. I’ve not seen the word “moderate” used to describe Root.

    I’m a moderate L. Sometimes, I’d say Phillies is a moderate.

    Root is no abolitionist, yes, but that doesn’t make him a moderate, except in comparison to abolitionists. Root’s programs and positions tend to be somewhere between moderate and abolitionist, generally with a rightist skew.

  31. Carol Moore

    First, there was a political component to the Columbine shootings since the shooters were obsessed with violence and excited about Clinton bombing the heck out of Serbia, going on at the time; they thought he should bomb more! http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_4_59/ai_55100711/

    Second, this guy also was obsessed with violence, as are so many young males today. Aggressive violence, not defensive. (And some of those who rant too much about all their guns for self-defense only may be hoping to get in a firefight someday.) So an obsession with initiation of force was shared by both. It doesn’t matter if it is left wing or right wing.

    Finally, I see Wayne is back to being just Jewish, now, not a Jewish Born Again Christian or ex-Jew Born Again Christian, or Jew for Jesus or whatever he really is thinks he is. Wish he’d get consistent and not just pull out whatever aspect of his religion is convenient for the moment, depending on the audience or political point he wants to make. (How many times did he say Merry CHRISTmas in his “Christmas Greeting” to all his supporters, gambling and assumedly non or anti-gambling.) Looks like religious as opportunism, to me.

  32. paulie Post author

    the same crypto-fascist scare mongering that has got the shooter riled up in the first place.

    What makes you think that a fan of the Communist Manifesto is some kind of Tea Party type?

  33. Cody Quirk

    New info has come out that Jared Loughner was registered Decline-to-state and also did not vote at all in the 2010 elections.

    That is no Tea-Partyer.

  34. _

    he was a 9-11 truther…..sounds like a few people I heard of in CA. that ran with that idea as a badge of honor. Sorry but, many of his tsances pertain to some third partiers. who pick and choose their stances and unstable beliefs. Paranoid about government is not considered normal. Say what you want, its disturbed behavior per the specialists.

  35. Michael Cavlan RN


    There are a few things you should all know about this young man.

    It has been quoted in the “liberal” media (how delusional are you folks to even think that?) that Loughner had in his possession the books Mien Kampf and the Communist Manifesto.

    Glen Beck and Rush Limburger, I mean Limbagh have both called on their listeners to read Mien Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, so that they can “understand” Obama, the “Socialist.”

    Never mind the delusions of that theory of president Oily Bomber, the corporate shill being a “Socialist..”

    Also, while the “liberal media” (including “liberal MSNBC) prattle on about there being no real political motivation and just the delusions of Loughlan.

    Apparently he was involved in a white supremacist, anti-immigrant organization called American Renaissance.

    Initial source Huffington Post (not terribly reliable) and Amy Goodman on Democracy Now (much more reliable)

  36. Michael Cavlan RN

    Oh yes and American Renaissance is also anti-Semitic. It’s da Jooows..

    So, I had a fascinating conversation with a Tea-Party type friend of mine.

    We both agreed that any suppression of free speech was bad, including the Sarah Palin target quotes and Michelle Bachman lock and load type of rhetoric.

    Lefties should simply start a discussion about targeting Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann.

    Maybe the Libertarian Party should initiate a target Wayne Allan Root campaign as well.

    Lock and load people.


  37. Mark


    I don’t mean to implicate Libertarians in this assassination. Though I am a Progressive, I respect Libertarianism a great deal more than most other political beliefs.

    The tea-partiers, though, are most of them not Rand-reading classical liberals- are mostly ordinary anti-tax conservatives. It is that faction which has played around with violent fantasies against enemies.

    Even prominent leaders like Sharron Angle are prone to ask for violent “remedies” to unwanted election outcomes. It is those elements of the tea-party who have sometimes even endorsed assassination like Angle, and they who should be castigated from all sides- even from where Root stands.

  38. Liberty for America is Out

    During the 2010 Massachusetts US Senate campaign, Liberty (libertarian) candidate Joe Kennedy received at least six death threats demanding he withdraw from the race.

    Those were all teabaggers supporting Scott Brown.

  39. George Phillies

    For those of you have forgotten, during the 2010 Massachusetts Senate special election, Liberty (libertarian) candidate Joe Kennedy received at least six death threats demanding he withdraw from the race in favor of Scott Brown.

  40. Don Grundmann

    ” Not mark, Truth Teller ” of comment #24
    ” _ ” of comment #47
    ” New year sos ” of comments #8, #9, and #11

    These are all fake names used by an agent of the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, organizations dedicated to exploiting this tragedy to strip the rights of our citizens and destroy the nation, named Mark Seidenberg. The ADL and the SPLC are targeting the Tea Party across the nation. Beware of trolls who are working to take away the rights of us all.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  41. Carol Moore

    Michael Cavlan RN // Jan 10, 2011 at 8:37 pm #49. Now now. Wayne has to be proselytized so he becomes a good libertarian and more honest in general. (As far as that Good Born Again Christian and gambling business, that’s between him and his big white bearded old god in the sky; though we still can have fun with it.) A little fun jousting and a good kick in the ass when he deserves it is quite a enough. I don’t care what Sarah Palin says should be done with his photo. (Hey, the two of them shmoozing for the Fox News cameras together would be a comical site – real Saturday Nite Live material!)

  42. Robert Capozzi

    51: Those were all teabaggers supporting Scott Brown.

    me: I’d not heard this. How do you know who made the threats?

    More broadly, this is the first I’ve heard of a L being death-threatened running for office. Have there been others?

  43. Hanna barto

    The shooter still sounds like a lot of the people that post on these blogs whether he was a white supremacist or not. He fed off the rantings of the anti-gov club. You should all be aware of the way you use your freedom of speech.

  44. To PAULIE #18 19

    Even though we have hard disagreements. On this, thumbs WAY UP!!!

    And on the other post you mentioned about the gun jumping up and doing something. My local talk show was talking about the very same thing.

  45. Alan Pyeatt

    Anonymous @ 47: “Paranoid about government is not considered normal. Say what you want, its disturbed behavior per the specialists.”

    Me: Paranoia is an IRRATIONAL fear. There are plenty of rational reasons to be concerned about what the U.S. government is doing. Maybe you’ve heard of the MK Ultra Program, the Iran/Contra Affair, or the Gulf of Tonkin non-incident?

    So your attempt to smear those of us who remain vigilant about anti-freedom elements within our government (including 9-11 “truthers”) is bogus. Don’t try to blame us for this cold-blooded murder.

  46. barto

    when I was a kid in the 60’s, there was this “conspiracy theory bantered around campus, that “John Kennedy was actually still alive and living in a vegetative state on an island THE same Island that that was also hiding “Hitler” As a 10 year old I would often picture those two on this island, as I grew into a MAN, I put away childish and unrelaistic Conspiracies, and began to think logically! I would advise all you 9-11 truthers birthers, and other (Kaos) operative believers to GET A GRIP!! 🙂 lIFE CAN BE A POSITIVE AND BEAUTIFUL PLACE, Do you all get bored in life and have to come up with these outlandish theories to make life exciting? Many have states that those people who grew up with much dysfunction, are prone to this “magical conspiracy tinged thinking” Also, when people show up to a conference on the New health care plan, carrying guns to “intimidate” I find that, not a wise choice and actually very immature and kooky. If the shoe fits wear it. Freedom of speech and the 2nd amendment have NO PLACE WHEN LITTLE beautiful childdren are innocently mowed down by a lunatic that has listened to your DAMN FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

  47. paulie Post author

    The shooter still sounds like a lot of the people that post on these blogs whether he was a white supremacist or not.

    Well, yeah, we have a few mentally ill people. I wouldn’t say a lot.

    He fed off the rantings of the anti-gov club.

    Ah….not so much. He is mentally ill, it’s not an ideology.

    You should all be aware of the way you use your freedom of speech.

    Be more specific. We should never criticize the regime, is what you are saying? Why not? Certainly, regime agents have committed a lot more violence than anti-regime or otherwise independently acting individuals or private associations.

  48. paulie Post author

    Do not know how to take responsibility for anything. Bottom Line.

    Progressives and conservatives both seem to think that regular people can only be trusted in some aspects of their decision making, not others. For some reason, they both think the introduction of a medium of exchange (money) into voluntary human transactions alters whether common individuals are to be generally treated as adults or as children, albeit in different directions. At least authoritarians are more consistent, although wrong: they believe commoners should always be treated as children. None of the three have provided a satisfactory explanation as to why membership in a government transforms the same people who can otherwise not be trusted – whether with drugs, guns, money, certain images or sounds, or whatever – into all-wise and benevolent rulers that are suited to govern the rest of us.

  49. paulie Post author


    When I was a kid in the 70s, I grew up with lies by my government (the USSR) and the USA is no different.

    You can start researching the Reichstag fire in Germany, Pearl Harbor, the Maine (Spanish-American war), the Tuskegee syphillis experiments, the Gulf of Tonkin, the Lusitania, army radiation and LSD experiments, MK ULTRA, COINTELPRO, babies on bayonets (WWI) or ripped out of incubators (Quwait) and many other lies by many governments, including the US, some of which have led to far more people being killed than have been killed by all the anti-government and non-government nuts in history.

    This is not “magic,” it is due vigilance. Freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms are actually most important when little beautiful children are mowed down by a lunatic that has listened to voices in his own head. Otherwise, many, many more, by many orders of magnitude, little beautiful children will be mowed down by a lot of people who are “just following orders.” It has happened again and again all throughout history, and yes it can happen here.

  50. barto

    dID YOU KNOW THAT there have been more deaths by GUN in the USA (people killed) than all the people killed in all USA wars since 1775. The stats are 650,000 deaths by murder mayhem….and 648,00 soldiers est. been killed. I read this yesterday in the newspaper. Interesting no?

  51. paulie Post author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_civil_war (excerpted):

    The American Civil War (sic) was one of the earliest true industrial wars. Railroads, the telegraph, steamships, and mass-produced weapons were employed extensively. The practices of total war, developed by Sherman in Georgia, and of trench warfare around Petersburg foreshadowed World War I in Europe. It remains the deadliest war in American history, resulting in the deaths of 620,000 soldiers and an undetermined number of civilian casualties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_II (excerpted):

    Marked by significant events involving the mass death of civilians, including the Holocaust and the only use of nuclear weapons in warfare, it was the deadliest conflict in human history,[2] resulting in 50 million to over 70 million fatalities.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties estimates US military deaths in WWII at 416,800, and world totals at 22,576,700 to 25,491,800 military deaths and 32,166,500 to 49,952,200 civilian deaths.

    “Interesting, no?”

    Free tip of the day: Don’t believe everything you read in newspapers.

    In the USSR, they came in handy to make up for shortages of toilet paper. As the US heads further down the road to a one-party regime with the passage of ‘Top Two” in California, among other things, there is much Americans can learn from what people faced in the USSR and other dictatorships.

  52. paulie Post author

    Alan my recall may be faulty but at one time I do believe the shrinks listed fear of governments as a mental condition in their diagnostic manual.

    Yes, in the Soviet Union, for example.

  53. VTV

    The Tea Party is not the only group that has been lumped in with this.

    Main stream media tried to link this to the Zeitgeist Movement. This is what Peter Joseph had to say:


    It has come to my attention that various mainstream news organizations are beginning to run an association between my 2007 performance piece/film, “Zeitgeist: The Movie” and the tragic murders conducted by an extremely troubled young man in Tucson, Arizona. They are also slowly beginning to bleed the obvious line between my 2007 documentary work, my film series as a whole and The Zeitgeist Movement, which I am the founder. Frankly, I find this isolating, growing association tremendously irresponsible on the part of ABC, NBC and their affiliates – further reflecting the disingenuous nature of the America Media Establishment today.

    It appears to have begun with a comment on NBC news referencing my film along with other “influential” films as well, such as Richard Kelly’s film “Donnie Darko” and then spreading to ABC News where it singled out Zeitgeist: The Movie and the Series itself, stating:

    “Osler pointed to an online documentary series called “Zeitgeist” as a possible influence on the man.
    The series rails on currency-based economics.
    “I really think that this ‘Zeitgeist’ documentary had a profound impact on Jared’s mindset and how he viewed that world that he lives in,” Osler said.”


    When we reflect on the history of seeming random violence or other forms of highly offensive, irrational, aberrant behavior, we see a common pattern of reaction from the public and media in their attempt to explain such extreme acts. Rather than deeply examining the Bio-Psycho-Social nature of human social development and the vast spectrum of influences that create and morph each of us in unique and sometime detrimental ways, they take the easy way out. The first thing do it simply ignore all modern scientific social understandings of what generates human motivation in both positive and negative regard, for to do so can only call into question the social system itself and hence the “zeitgeist” (meaning: spirit/intellectual climate of the time/culture) at large.

    Generally speaking, it is historically accurate to say that the Mainstream Media simply isn’t in the business of challenging the Status Quo. The limits of debate are firmly set. Virtually all ideas, persons or groups who have succeeded in changing the world for the better, later to be hailed as heros in the public mind, started out being condemn by those in the Mainstream Media who latch on to the dominant world view of the time. Even Martin Luther King Jr., a peaceful, loving, wonder of a man who contributed more to our social progress than likely any humanitarian in the US history, was followed by the CIA and publicly humiliated as a “Communist” which he even had to defend in front of a Congressional Committee. In fact, you can rest assured that if King was alive in the current paradigm today and seeking an equal form of justice- he would be given the name: “Terrorist”.

    So, again, rather than taking the scientific view, the Mainstream Media often seeks out or implies one point of blame and runs with it. After all, it is much easier, presentable and more simplistic for the public to think that the troubling reality of seemingly random acts of mass murder is the result of a “singular influence” and hence the logic goes that if that one influence is removed, then the world will be back in balance. This gives the public a false resolve and position of focus in an otherwise ambiguous, complex world of social and biologic influences. And as far as the scapegoat itself, very often any group, media or dataset that is counter-culture or even hints at wishing to challenge the status quo, is a magnet for such blame.

    For example, musical groups of a counter-culture nature have been a favorite scapegoat for acts of murder/violence historically. In 1990, the rock band Judas Priest was actually taken to court for their “role” in the self-inflicted gunshot wounds in 1985 of 20-year old James Vance and 18-year old Raymond Belknap in Reno, Nevada. In 2008, the band Slipknot was publicly tied/blamed to a high-school murder in South Africa. Even the Beatles song “Helter-skelter” was associated to the murders incited by Charles Manson. It goes on and on… and, frankly, it’s simply pathetic – avoiding the true nature of the problem- which is the Socio-Economic Environment itself.

    Make no mistake: The Social System is to blame for the rampage of Jared Loughner – not some famous online documentary which is known as the most viewed documentary of all time in internet history. Are the other 200 million people who have seen the film also preparing for murder sprees? I think not.

    In my new film: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, I feature a prominent Harvard Criminal Psychologist by the name of Dr. James Gilligan who headed the Centre for the Study of Violence at Harvard Medical School for many years. In his life work of personally engaging with the most dangerous, violent offenders the US system produces, he found some basic trends. The most common is the social issue of “shame”. Our socio-economic system inherently breeds social division and there is a natural demeaning of others generated as a result. It is a scientific fact that mass murderers and those who many just dismiss as “evil” today, are the product of years of being shamed, humiliated and demeaned. Their acts of violence is a reaction from these highly oppressive feelings and the real resolve to such acts can only come from removing the real source of such emotional hurt. You will notice that most other countries don’t come close to the level of violence we see in the United States. The US is the capital of violence with 30-300 times more acts of violence than any other country. Why? We have produced more serial killers in america than all other countries combined. You will notice the Mainstream never asks this question.

    If anyone would like to understand why more and more people in the modern world end up like Jared Loughner and why these patterns are only going to get worse as time goes in this system, I suggest the book “Violence” by Harvard Criminal Psychologist Dr. Gilligan.

    In conclusion, let it be stated that the Zeitgeist Film Series is about critical thought regarding various social issues which challenge many erroneous notions held as fact in the modern culture. It also explicitly promotes non-violence, human unity and prosperous human development based on truth and science.

    Anyone who wishes to really understand the works can view them for free online at zeitgeistmovie.com and my new film, which will detail how a new, humane social system can work, will be 315 theaters in 60 countries and 30 languages starting Jan 15th 2011. http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com

    I am also in contact with my legal team and am also considering legal action against ABC.

    -Peter Joseph

  54. Thomas L. Knapp


    “I am also in contact with my legal team and am also considering legal action against ABC”

    Yeah, because reporting that X said Y considered your film influential is so very, very libelous and defamatory.

    Errrrrrr ….

  55. VTV


    The issue here is that there is nothing in any of the films that suggests that people should go out and shoot congressman. The association is way off base.

  56. Thomas L. Knapp


    If that’s the issue, then there isn’t an issue.

    ABC didn’t claim that any of the films suggest going out and shooting congressmen. ABC just reported that one of Loughner’s friends says Loughner was deeply influenced by the movie.

  57. Thomas M. Sipos

    I get that impression that, from the day of the shooting, right-wing pundits (and those who aspire to join their ranks, such as Root), were desperately hoping that the Left would politicize this, so that they could bash the Left for politicizing it.

    Even to the point that some right-wingers jumped the gun, bashing the Left before the Left had said much of anything. Maybe hoping to goad the Left into attacking them.

    That’s how right-wing media pundits make their money, selling books and air time by playing the victim.

    Yes, there once was a “liberal mainstream media” that censored conservatives — back in the 1970s. I remember it. But that changed with the spread of cable, talk radio, and the internet.

    Contemporary right-wing pundits are whining like they were still living in the 1970s, with only 3 TV networks, all liberal.

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