The Hill, a popular periodical covering Washington D.C. politics, recently published an extended profile of Jill Stein. The article covers a number of topics, including Occupy Wallstreet, her “Green New Deal”, and students as a reliable voter base for her campaign.
If Green Party political veteran Jill Stein were to visit Occupy Boston several times, and if she were to describe the Occupy Wall Street movement’s grievances as “synergistic” with her own policy beliefs, and if she were to unveil her campaign for the 2012 presidential race at the height of the national movement’s growth, would that make her the country’s first Occupy Wall Street candidate?
Others might use simple logic to come to a “yes” conclusion, but Stein says no.
“I would not [say I’m an Occupy Wall Street candidate], because I think they have to decide who their candidate is,” Stein says in a phone interview from Boston, her hometown.
Stein mentions the difficulty of getting on ballots through petitioning and how exhausting that process is for a third party candidate near the end of the article. Stein is one of three announced Green Party presidential contenders.
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Yes we were in a relationship, of types.
We were both National Green Party Delegates. Audrey still is one, a Green Party member and Delegate. I am not.
Michael Cavlan RN
Candidate US Senate 2012
Minnesota Open Progressives
Wow Mike and Audrey, were you two in a relationship or something? Abusive relationship, ha-ha-ha, I like abusive women.
Since Ballot Access is such a huge deal, we should ask WHY some people are not willing to work with the Green Party.
We can work WITH the GP but not FOR them. Until the GP asks itself that central question, these dynamics will not change. Please refer to the responses of Audrey with the Virginia Green Party, who I am 99% sure is the Green Party National Delegate from Virginia.
I will never put myself through that abusive relationship again. I know a whole lot of former Greens who feel the same way.
@16 :” We can simply do more working together”
No truer statement can be made.
Rocky should learn from Nader, ballot access is just so great, not much is left for the REAL campaign. He definitely should consider the GP’s ballot access and perhaps join forces for this historic effort !
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Military expenses are over $250 billion a year! A large percentage of this is spent overseas to defend wealthy countries like Germany and Japan — who then wallop us in international trade. Let’s take them off military welfare. We can defend America better and save at least $100 billion a year in taxes.
Green Party’s Dr. Jill Stein was at Occupy Boston an Friday before police crack down…
Audrey, & Michael,
Thank you for your passionate discussion about our Green Party.
Rocky Anderson please join the Green Party, and join forces. We can simply do more working together.
Petra Kelly’s Green Party was founded on Social and Economic Justice!
That’s your issue Rocky, and the Green Party is the place to be.
Thanks for considering the suggestion.
So you’re intent of running a separate campaign, but the onus to “work together” is upon us?
I’m going to believe the Green Party of Utah’s affiliation agreement, which I saw with my own lying eyes. It requires the state party to place the Green Party’s Presidential nominee on their ballot. The Naderites violated the affiliation agreement and therefore deprived the voters of Utah of a choice on their ballot. Being Naderites does not exempt them from being held accountable.
Also, I see no way that a Rocky Anderson campaign can, will or should work in the Green Party. Deal with that and we can start to talk on how we can work together. Or as Rocky puts it, the Green Party are welcome to go it alone.
I agree.. You all can work with us, in solidarity in a fusion campaign of some sort. Or not. Your choice.
Sigh
Audrey- I heard a whole different story about Utah. Never mind my own experiences in the Green Party.
But then as the the saying goes.
Who am I going to believe? You or my own lying eyes?
I am committed to exposing the National Green Party just as much as the Dems and Repukes. Shall I tell Liz Arnone and all those other former Greens in GDI and elsewhere that I work with that you send your love?
Now- carry on. Organizing and building an opposition to the corporate corrupted two party system. Like we really mean it.
“Give it up. No one cares any more. So we have left, moved on. ”
If you’ve moved on, then why do you have to attack the Green Party whenever it’s mentioned on Firedoglake, IPR, or Green Party Watch?
“If Jill wants to work in cooperation with Rocky, that will be OK too.. ”
I’d love to see Rocky and Jill together on the Green ticket in November!
“Oh and for the record, what you call in internal disciplinary dispute that those folks should “take their well deserved punishment” and just shut up is looked at in a very different manner for us.
It is called whistle-blowing. ”
You rant on practically every Green Party thread about Nader supporters being disenfranchised. When I point out that Nader supporters in Utah violated their state party’s bylaws and affiliation agreement with the national party and deprived the voters of the entire state of Utah of a choice on their ballot, you praise them for “whistle-blowing”.
I thought that “Accountability Mike” would be outraged by the disenfranchisement of Utah’s Cobb supporters.
Oh and for the record, what you call in internal disciplinary dispute that those folks should “take their well deserved punishment” and just shut up is looked at in a very different manner for us.
It is called whistle-blowing. Those who are being called on never want their deeds held up to public scrutiny.
So take a hike Audrey. Man, you have got to be the meanest, most mean spirited person I have met. Outside of the Democratic Party. Like what was said in Ralph Nader’s documentary “An Unreasonable Man”, they are just mean motherfuckers.
Dear God Audrey.
Give it up. No one cares any more. So we have left, moved on. And the Rocky Anderson campaign for president will be supported by all those folks who left the Green Party.. Jill’s campaign will be supported by the Green Party. As Rocky so succinctly puts it, if the Green Party want to go it alone, they should. If Jill wants to work in cooperation with Rocky, that will be OK too..
Ben Manski is not supporting David Obey.
“I would like to point out that Ben Manski has contacted me and says he is not supporting former U.S. Congressman and Democrat David Obey for Wisconsin governor when Republican Scott Walker is re-called.”
http://my.firedoglake.com/alanmaki/2011/12/10/i-couldnt-post-this-where-i-made-the-initial-comment-that-was-incorrect-so-i-am-posting-it-here-to-set-the-record-straight-concerning-my-misinterpretation-of-what-ben-manski-stated/#comments
Here’s what really happened in Utah in 2004:
GPUT’s pre-convention poll of its membership favored Cobb. After the convention, the GPUT’s liaison to the state board of elections made a unilateral decision to put Nader on the ballot instead of the Green Party’s nominee. After protests by Cobb supporters, he changed his mind and simply blocked them from putting Cobb on the ballot.
He and a handful of other GPUT members who supported this spiteful disenfranchisement of Utah voters (Nader was already on the ballot as an independent) were suspended from the state party for their misconduct. They could have saved the state party a great deal of trouble by allowing Cobb to be placed on the ballot, going off to work for Nader, and coming back after the election. However, they chose to violate their state party’s bylaws and their affiliation agreement with the national party instead so they could stick it to the Cobbites.
A lasting party split still could have been avoided if these individuals had taken their well-deserved punishment like grown men and women. Instead, they decided to lash out at those who had held them accountable. They started their own Green Party of Utah after the election, and showed up at the 2005 and 2006 Annual National Meetings and expected to be seated as delegates. They didn’t follow any procedures; they just showed up and managed to waste important time arguing over their status that we should have spent on state party fundraising. Should GPUS treat everyone who has been suspended from a state party (which is an internal disciplinary matter) as equal to the party that suspended them?
Calvan/Stein 2012…sounds a good name for a horror movie. 🙂
Maybe we could recruit Minnesota Senator Franken? Franken/Stein for president. LOL!
Nucking Futs
We are very thankful to our revolutionary hero David Cobb, who understands that without a change in election law or adoption of PLAS or all-party system, the Democrats and Republicans are it. No matter what the Democrats do, they are always the lesser of two evils, unless maybe Ron Paul or John Huntsman (Rocky Anderson’s friend) gets the Republican nomination. Happy with Obey’s successor, Mike? Thanks David for all of your great actions to make the politics of the US better. Maybe you should look at becoming Jill Stein’s running mate to make sure her campaign doesn’t go anywhere? I am thinking of infiltrating Rocky Anderson’s campaign and persuading him to join all-party system or if he won’t do that, adopting the safe-states strategy. Read it and weep.
My Dear God
Rocky Anderson has already stated that he has no interest in joining the GP. That he considers the brand “damaged.” That he is in Utah, the state where Nader supporters had their ideals thrown aside and where the safe states Cobb folks as the “sanctioned” GP. Which of course led to the further disenfranchisement of the Nader supporters.
Then the current GP presidential hopeful has Ben Manski as her campaign manager.
Gee, we can feel the love already.. Talk about just not getting it………
from Ballot Access News..
Green Party Official Has Op-Ed in Salt Lake Tribune, Suggesting that Rocky Anderson Would be Welcome in the Green Party
December 7th, 2011
Scott McLarty, national Green Party media coordinator, has this op-ed in the Salt Lake Tribune, saying that the Green Party welcomes Rocky Anderson if he wishes to seek the Green Party presidential nomination.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/53027663-82/party-green-anderson-parties.html.csp
Green Party Official Has Op-Ed in Salt Lake Tribune, Suggesting that Rocky Anderson Would be Welcome in the Green Party
December 7th, 2011
Scott McLarty, national Green Party media coordinator, has this op-ed in the Salt Lake Tribune, saying that the Green Party welcomes Rocky Anderson if he wishes to seek the Green Party presidential nomination.
Don
Let’s not forget that Ben Manski asked people in Wisconsin to vote for Congressman Obey. Democratic Party Congressman Obey. The very same Congressman who was captured on you tube complaining about “Those (expletive deleted) liberals always bugging him about war funding.”
There is more to come since I am working with a journalist friend of mine (who won a Peabody Award for journalistic integrity) on this and related stories.
Oh dear. Those nasty old whiste-blowers, there are just sooo troublesome.
beyond the Green Party [Hmmmmmmm], Ben [Manski] * is a rising star in the broader movement [Hummmmmmm]:
In 2004, he founded the Liberty Tree Foundation, a strategy center dedicated to “building a democracy movement for the U.S.A..”
At Liberty Tree, he and David Cobb [previously partnered with fellow Dem Party apologist Patricia ‘Don’t Vote 4 Me’ LaMarshe], launched the ‘No Stolen Elections! Campaign’, which became the basis for the Ohio Recount.
Ben is a co-founder of the Move to Amend coalition, the largest coalition dedicated to overturning Citizens United via constitutional amendment
And this past year, he initiated the Wisconsin Wave, a leading anti-austerity coalition responsible for a few things you might have heard about.
Ben is taking a leave from employment with Liberty Tree to work for my [dumb, dumb doc Jill Stein] campaign.
In the course of the coming months, we hope to recruit other talented people * to join our campaign staff. Volunteers will carry our campaign forward. But our volunteers will need staff support.”
* as in Democratic Party Mole / Agent Provacatuer ?????????