Frank Fluckiger is the National Chairman of the Constitution Party – KL.
From: Frank Fluckiger
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 7:23 AM
To: Janine and others
Subject: RE: Don Grundmann is causing serious problems for our party
Janine:
The most effective thing that both you and Cody could do I feel is to write
a short note to IPR and remind Don that he is not the chairman of the party
in California, but that Nathan Johnson was elected the new chairman at the
March (actually it was January 19th, Mr. Fluckiger made a mistake –http://www.constitutionparty.com/Portals/0/SiteImages/Newsletter%20PDF/Newsletter%20January%20Volume%202%20Issue%202.pdf – KL) state meeting in Bakersfield… a meeting at which he was in
attendance. He is also registered as a member of the AIP in CA and not a
registered CP voter. I will write him a letter directly and ask that he
refrain from using that title in his emails. For him to imply that he is
the chairman is a diservice to not only him but to the party as well.
I have been award of this problem for some time and that was one of the
reasons he was not re-elected as chairman of the party.
Frank
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From: Director of Nevada Families
To: Frank Fluckiger
Subject: FW: Don Grundmann is causing serious problems for our party
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:18:37 -0700
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From: Cody Quirk
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:51 PM
To: Janine Hansen
Subject: Don Grundmann is causing serious problems for our party
Here-
http://www.
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Read even just a few of the comments that Don has posted and you’ll see that
he’s making the CP look bad and only pissing off everybody and especially
hurting the CP’s image online.
@154 How is that even remotely relevant here?
All part of the ZIONIST master plan.
WOW, after all of that…there is no doubt why the progressive utopians are winning. Hilariously sad is about the only words I could come up with.
Lord, My God above….Come back NOW! Please!
Yes, yours, and no, not necessarily his, in other words.
Yes and no
So in other words you are stating your opinion, not necessarily his.
Read some of his recent postings, plus he has shot his mouth off and has sent me some pretty nasty emails, in which I forwarded to the leaders of the CP.
He has no future in the CP, period.
Has he said so? If so, where?
BTW, Don is finished with the CP, fyi.
@145
And why do you give a shit?
You won the battle for the AIP. No need to rub it in. It just makes you look petty and vindictive.
Sam Kress # post 144
I think you understand one of the reason Don
Grundmann was asseverating about all the
offices he was holding.
You now can understand how he got the name
“3 dates Don” within the AIP. Back in 2008, Dr.
Don Grundmann began posting asseverating
he was the Vice Chairnman of the American Independent Party of California. Party members
that knew zero above the elections of officers
asked him when he was elected as Vice Chairman. Grundmann lied so much he came
up with three different dates. My guess Dr. Grundmann told so many lies about how he got
elected Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party of California, he could not keep the story’s straight, so he evented stories
which had three different cover story dates of
election to that office at places no other AIP
delegates attended.
I guess he willl now repeat these election asseveration, but this time it will be within
the Constition Party itself.
No one in the AIP believe Dr. Don Grundmann
wild stories and I believe no one in the Constitution either.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
of California
Grundmann’s a sinner …
johnO’s a winner!
Me, I’m eating a chicken dinner.
The Rev. Dr. Col. Sam Kress, Chief Gynecologist, Chief Spokesman, Historian, Treasurer, Co-Founder, Chaplain, and Chairman (Because I Said So), Lexington Green-Libertarian Party of Tennessee, Kentucky, Western Maryland, South Central Pennsylvania, Southern Indiana, Southeast Ohio, extreme northern Georgia, the Carolinas and the Virginias, the only party that is 100% for good stuff and fights all the bad stuff!
He’s a SINNER! LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OXAi7rNMg
I think Sam’s suggestion @ 135 is definitely a possibility, but, personally, I don’t care! I’m sick of seeing his name and his hateful comments, so I’ve stopped reading them. That also means that I’ve stopped responding to him! If we all do that, maybe he’ll find another hotbed of sin he can preach to an will go away!
I think I have to agree with #132.
He’s beyond reasoning or rational comprehension.
Mark, that is a good question, yet Mr. Fluckiger officially stated, along with that CP newsletter, that Mr. Grundmann is no longer the State Chair of the California CP.
Obviously what we have here, is a failure to communicate.
No, but he does take care of his aging mother.
Not in any weird Norman Bates from Psycho kind of way, and not like those weird gay men who are overly involved with their mothers for their whole lives, though.
Don Grundmann is a macho, macho, macho man and a protector of children. Trust your kids with him, they will be safe! Especially the boys.
The Rev. Dr. Col. Sam Kress, Chief Gynecologist, Chief Spokesman, Historian, Treasurer, Co-Founder, Chaplain, and Chairman (Because I Said So), Lexington Green-Libertarian Party of Tennessee, Kentucky, Western Maryland, South Central Pennsylvania, Southern Indiana, Southeast Ohio, the Carolinas and the Virginias, the only party that is 100% for good stuff and fights all the bad stuff!
No kids then?
He is single, never married.
God blessed the humans by saying to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it! Be masters over the fish in the ocean, the birds that fly, and every living thing that crawls on the earth!”
The Rev. Dr. Col. Sam Kress, Chief Gynecologist, Chief Spokesman, Historian, Treasurer, Co-Founder, Chaplain, and Chairman (Because I Said So), Lexington Green-Libertarian Party of Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolinas and the Virginias, the only party that is 100% for good stuff and fights all the bad stuff!
Is he single , married, or just celibate?
Has anyone considered the possibility that Mr. Grundmann’s whole public persona is conscious, rather than merely unconscious, satire?
From all indications Mr. Grundmann is a gay man himself and I have even heard a few people say that he acts like a stereotypical “flaming” homosexual. His profession may even be a front for him to find partners or even for being a sex worker, although it may not be.
Would anyone be surprised if it came out that Mr. Grundmann engages in at least some, if not all, of the sexual practices he rails against?
Could it be that, rather than being someone in denial about his sexuality (whether he practices it or not), he is purposely making fun of homophobes by pretending to be the most ridiculously extreme homophobe ever?
Is Grundmann the protestor, political quacktivist and online personality just a piece of performance art and street theater by a brilliant militant homosexual?
I don’t think it’s impossible, although on the other hand maybe not….he may really just be very much in denial about his sexual orientation and/or practices.
The Rev. Dr. Col. Sam Kress, Chief Gynecologist, Chief Spokesman, Historian, Treasurer, Co-Founder, Chaplain, and Chairman (Because I Said So), Lexington Green-Libertarian Party of Tennessee, the only party that is 100% for good stuff and fights all the bad stuff!
Cody Quirk
In reading post # 131 it looks like Don Grundmann claims to be the founder in addition
to be the Chairperson of the Constitution Party
of California.
We have California Secretary of State Debra Bowen that list Dr. Don Grundmann as the Chairman of the Constitution Party of California.
The website of the CP lists DON GRUNDMANN
as the California State contact.
Cody are you sure that Dr. Don Grundmann is not the current Chairmann of the CP because of these postings?
It takes a “group of California Electors” to form
a political body in California. Therefore, Dr. Grundmann could not be the only founder of the
CP in California. Who are the other purported
founder in addition to “Mommy Grundmann” and can anyone post the CP By-laws from 2010 as amended?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman
American Independent Party of California
I wonder when Solomon Grundmann will ever realize that the vast “homosexual/sodomy/pedophilia” movement/conspiracy only exists in his own sexually-repressed head, and that he simply comes across as a raving buffoon whenever he’s on here?
That and will he remember to keep his receipt fir his latest girlfriend to return her to the porn shop when she springs a leak…
Donny-Boy gives morons, imbeciles, and idiots a bad name.
Are we really going to keep talkingto this Grundmann guy? I don’t see anything being accomplished by talking to him. He’s not going to change his mind, and I certainly doubt that he’ll change any of ours. If we ignore him, maybe he’ll go away.
Cody – A) Like I have said – you have to be a man to understand being on the battlefield and using different tactics in the war. Since you are not then you don’t. B) I was the State Chair. I am the founder of the party in California. As with KL I have done a factor of at least 1,000x regarding fighting on the battlefield for our nation in comparison to whatever scrawny efforts you have done; especially now with your witless/nitwit attacks against myself. C) I will NEVER have any credibility with you, at ANY time inclusive of even before your latest fart which D) is an excuse to draw attention away from your support for the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement. I notice that you don’t answer any of the questions in #124 above. But you DO rush to the defense of people who should be exposed for their corruption via their support of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement and its current and planned war upon the children of our nation. The people whom I have challenged have not a shred of conscience/regret regarding their support of the most vicious assault upon the children of the nation in its history which is developing at this moment. But of course because you are so concerned with your precious ” image ” you rush to their defense. In comparison I am working to expose them for the anti-humanity rodents which they truly are.
A very clean illustration of this is at HenryMakow.com where a current article ” Misfits use to attack hetero institutions ” shows yet another attack front in the war against children.
Here a very sick sick sick young male is being used as a battering ram/weapon against school children so that they may be Socially Engineered to accept homosexuality.
Will Cody Quirk stand up against this plan to attack children via forcing them by Social Engineering to accept, promote, and then participate in homosexuality? Answer – Not a chance in hell. You will instead complain about and attack my fight to defend the children. You will defend all of your sick friends who support the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement in this attack. But you won’t lift a finger to stop this war upon the children of the nation. No way. You will instead put your knife in the back of those who are fighting to defend them. And then you claim -A) that YOU???? have ” credibility????” and B) that I should worry about ” credibility ” with IPR or with you? What a total laugh!!
Maybe you should take a lesson from Janine yourself. She would and will NEVER bow down to those who are attacking children in order to gain their favor. She will indeed fight for truth, REAL truth, over your oh-so-precious ” image,” EVERY TIME.
And as a last, and very relevant, comment –
Mike W. : Presuming that you are not being facetious, as a response to your question – There are many different elements to being a man. Just because you show up with body parts does NOT mean that you are indeed a man as being a man is a spiritual condition far far far above and beyond, actually quite separate from, a physical condition.
I could go on and on regarding this topic but an easy start is to OBSERVE the world around you and see what NOT to do in regard to being a man. In regard to this post just look at one thing out of many that Cody is doing – defending people who are in support of abject and outright evil and attacking those who are opposing them. To be a man DON’T DO THAT!!
Do not ever be afraid of opposing evil, for any reason and this for many reasons. A man must stand up, to the greatest of his abilities, and fight, and defeat evil no matter how it manifests nor what the cost is of doing such. Do not exist in fear of evil ( there is a difference between existing and living ). Live only in fear of God, for this is the only ” fear ” that brings life ( a paradox among many which you will find ).
So – lesson #1 for the moment – Don’t copy Cody except to do the opposite of what he does/is doing.
That will be one small step, out of countless and of a never ending process, toward being a man.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Founder Constitution Party of California; the only party fighting to defend the children of the nation from their moral slaughter
Don, you constantly perjured yourself by claiming you are still the California CP State Chair when the cat came out of the bag- so who the hell are you to still sound like you have credibility here?
Didn’t you read the damn email I sent you?!
Don’t give me any BS about “the truth”; I know enough about the United Nations, the CFR, the Rockefellers, George Soros, etc. and how these groups & individuals that are working to destroy this country, and eventually the world.
The only difference is- I don’t act like a crazy nutjob psycho that hurts his cause of restoring constitutional government and gradually eliminate the influence of these groups and individuals in our country; I’m actually practical and down-to-earth in my approach and activism, unlike some that adhere to the constitutionalist mantle.
And for you to put a man that has only hurt such a cause by viciously smearing and calling his opponents vulgar names, driving away would-be new members of our party, and most of at- has constantly perjured himself by continuously claiming he is the State Chairman of the California CP when he is in fact not -on a pedestal, is quite unbecoming and simpleton of you- if you are who you say you are, Mike.
If you’re looking for a proper constitutionalist role-model that actually accomplishes things in politics and is very seasoned in experience, then look up to someone like Janine Hansen instead of Don “The Liar” Grundmann.
Cody, why are you betraying the children of the United States? Being part of the Constitution Party and with your Call to Unite Committee, you seemed to be getting so close to the truth; what happened? Sorry for my poor grammar; I am just feeling really overwhelmed right now.
An obvious troll with poor spelling & grammar.
Hello all; I am sorry to be writing here late, but I have just had a conversion experience and have realized that so much of what I used to believe is a lie. After reading the documentation at CandleCrusade.org, I realize that Don Grundman is absolutely correct and everyone else here is truly immoral and is truly part of the evil agenda which is endangering the children of America, and even the world. I was a liberal until recently; now even though I’m 21 years old, I’ve realized that I’m not really a man yet, but I want to be. Dr. Grundman, what is the best way to start changing my ways and becoming a real man? I know it’s not only a matter of changing opinions; I also need to get out there and fight the homosexual agenda in California where I live, and wherever else I find it. I have thought of starting a protest against gay marriage where I live, but I’m at a very liberal college and I’m not sure if that’s the best way to spend my time, especially if no one joins me. Please let me know if you have any advice, and as for everybody else here, especially Krzystof since you are so young and you’re a Christian so you should no better, I hope my story changes your opinion. Thanks and God bless.
Don please leave the CP. Join some fascist theocratic party (ie Christian Liberty Party). The CP would do well without you
“…tarnishing the party’s image with your anti-productive rhetoric, so you can go f*ck yourself.”
Response – A real good example of ” productive rhetoric ” Cody. Certainly something which I can/could expect from you.
And I sure that your towering intellect can define what you refer to as ” anti-productive rhetoric.”
Was it any of the times when I wrote of the dangers of children being attacked and how they must be protected?
Was it any of the times when I challenged those who support(ed) the infrastructure being set in place to accomplish those attacks?
Was it any of the times when I exposed the numerous organizations, incidents, and events connected to past, current, or future attacks upon the children of the nation?
Did exposing the current, planned, and unfolding attacks against the children of our nation, and challenging the people who support those attacks, give a bad ” image ” of the party on the internet? Does it expose the party as ” homophobic ” when I write of protecting children from attack?
Answer – yes – if you support the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement and its followers. If you support their war plans against the children of our nation then ANY challenge to their jihad is automatically ” unproductive rhetoric ” and, of course, ” homophobic.” Right, Cody?
Well Cody, as with KL, if and when you ever change from being a twerp and become a man ( which I predict will occur when hell freezes over ) then you will understand how men work to protect children from being destroyed in any way, inclusive of both physical AND mental, emotional, and ( especially ) spiritual molestation.
That may produce a bad ” image ” for the party in your soul sight but as long as I am around I will fight for the party to be one, actually the last one, which will fight to the death to defend the children of our nation.
So complain about a bad ” image ” all you want. I will expect nothing different from you and that you will fight every step of the way in defense of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement and everything which it represents, stands for, and works toward.
You will also work to provide any and all possible comfort and aid to the enemies of the party such as Seidenberg and Robinson. Understood. That is how it shall be.
Perhaps your wing of the party shall be victorious. We shall see.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Founder Constitution Party of California, the last party working to defend the children of our nation
Steve M, we have a thread for you if you wish to discuss our procedures and rules here:
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/02/debate-on-debate-parameters-plus-should-paulie-stay/
I have merely asked for better quality journalistic standards and that includes not giving the appearance that some one wrote something that they didn’t write. As in whomever edited 106 and didn’t clearly state that those aren’t my words.
Steve M you are a troll since you don’t like IPR why don’t you leave? 😉
@106 are not my words and should be consider a dishonest forgery
Mark,
When I look back upon my life
It’s always with a sense of shame
I’ve always been the one to blame
For everything I long to do
No matter when or where or who
Has one thing in common, too
It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a sin
It’s a sin
Everything I’ve ever done
Everything I ever do
Every place I’ve ever been
Everywhere I’m going to
It’s a sin
At school they taught me how to be
So pure in thought and word and deed
They didn’t quite succeed
For everything I long to do
No matter when or where or who
Has one thing in common, too
It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a sin
It’s a sin
Everything I’ve ever done
Everything I ever do
Every place I’ve ever been
Everywhere I’m going to
It’s a sin
Father, forgive me, I tried not to do it
Turned over a new leaf, then tore right through it
Whatever you taught me, I didn’t believe it
Father, you fought me, ’cause I didn’t care
And I still don’t understand
So I look back upon my life
Forever with a sense of shame
I’ve always been the one to blame
For everything I long to do
No matter when or where or who
Has one thing in common, too
It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a sin
It’s a sin
Everything I’ve ever done
Everything I ever do
Every place I’ve ever been
Everywhere I’m going to – it’s a sin
It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a sin
It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a sin
(Confiteor Deo omnipotenti vobis fratres, quia peccavi nimis cogitatione,
verbo, opere et omissione, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa)
[trans. “I confess to almighty god,
and to you my brothers,
that I have sinned exceedingly
in thought, word, act and omission,
through my fault, through my fault,
through my most grievous fault”]
(Zero!)
I still would like to read the by-laws of the Constitution Party of California. The reason
is the national CP lists Dr. Don Grundmann
currently as the California State Contact.
I still question the authority that Frank Fluckiger
has over the removal of a State Chairperson that
California Secretary of State Debra Bowen states
is the Chairperson of the Constitution Party of
California a political body. I also do not understand why Charles Deemer created a life
office for Dr. Don Grundmann as Chairman of the Constitution Party of California. The 135
prior to the election primary gave political bodies a way of replacing its officers.
My guess is now the CP has Grundmann as,.
California Chairman for a long time. I guess every one should give a big thank you to Mr.
Charles Deemer for giving a life office as CP
chairperson to Dr. Don Grundmann.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Agree with 116.
“But you have performed a service in that Cody is smoked out as the most visible support within the CP for homosexual marriage; the beginnings of yet another Trojan Horse within the party, as with Seidenberg and Robinson before, working to destroy it from within.”
Yeahhhh, looks like the infamous IPR poster- Donald Lake -now has a playmate.
BTW Don, I did respond to your phone messages via email- which I sent to the one that’s listed on your website, and obviously you didn’t get it.
But no excuses- you constantly LIED about still being the California CP State Chairman while tarnishing the party’s image with your anti-productive rhetoric, so you can go f*ck yourself.
Jill Pyeatt
Under Section 5004 of the California Elections
Code it states “If by the 135th day before any primary election, a political body filing notice
pursuant to Section 5001 has not qualified as a
political party pursuant to Section 5100, the
political body shall be considered to have abandoned its attempt to qualify as a political party and shall be ineligible to participate in the
following primary (Stats. 1994, c 920)
In 2010 Dr. Grundmann informed California Secretary of State Debra Bowen that a group
of Electors, most likely him and his mommy,
that they “desires to qualify a new political
party and held a “caucus or convention at which
temporary officers ” were elected and designated the name for the new political party as “Constitution Party of California”. Therefore,
California Secretary of State Debra Bowen had
a CC/ROV memorandum issued to all 58 County
Election Officials that Dr. Don Grundmann was
the chairman of the Constitution Party of California.
Then Charles Deemer with his ACLU attorney
goes to the United States District Court and
get the Judge to rule that the 135th day before
the primary elections were in violations of the
1st and 14th Amendements to the US Constitution.
Bottom line is Secretary of State Debra Bowen,
thanks to the efforts of Mr. Charles M. Deemer’s
lawsuit, can not declare that the Constitution
Party of California under the Chairmanship of
Dr. Don Grundmann, D.C. has “abandoned its
attempt to qualify as a political party”.
Also, under CA Elections Code other electors
of California can not form a different Constitution Party in California, because of
the Section 5001(a) which states in part
“The designated name shall not be so similar
to the of an existing party so as to mislead the
voters, and shall not conflict with that of any
existing party or political body that has previously filed notice pursuant to subdivision
(b).
Dr. Don Grundmann completed the requirements of notice under subdivision (b)
and he as purported Chairman controls the
use of the name Constitution Party in California.
I have not seen the by-laws of the Constitution
Party of California, but I would like to read them.
Again if anyone has them please post them.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
of the new political party
Don’t you have access to the by-laws, Mark? I understand what the problem you’re describing is. I also understand why the Constitution Party won’t go anywhere in California.
Has any one seen the by-laws of the Constitution
Party of California and then can post them here?
The issue is the California Secretary of State
Debra Bowen takes the current view that Don
Grundmann in the Chairman of the political body known as the Constitution Party of California.
Mr. Johnson my be the Chairman in my view,
but it is Bowen’s view that matters and she views
Dr. Grundmann as the Chairman of the Constitution Party of California. Thanks to the
efforts of Charles Deemer, through his ACLU
attorney, Grundmann can stay in control of the
CP of CA till his death.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
BTW, I’m gone, too.
Oops! Sorry!
Fuck it, I’m outta here.
Call me on the phone if and when all this shit is ever sorted out.
I don’t have any patience left for people using my already overwhelming amount of unpaid labor in entertaining and informing you all for the purpose of wiping their ass.
Since folks can’t stop having this discussion here, rather than simply taking it to its corner, I’ll allow others to deal with it. I was already at the end of my rope and this was the last straw.
Batuska Tsar-God Knapp @107… I can’t believe you would leave over this flap. Milnes was FAR more entertaining and you stuck out his exile to Siberia. Are you really sure that Steve M is worth it?
“Please stop having discussions I don’t like.”
That is neither what I said nor what I meant.
But having multiple threads hijacked by Steve M to discuss his personal opinion of what kind of approach other people should take to writing articles – his own personal and unique hobbyhorse, which he never seems to get tired of beating beyond death – deserves its own special timeout corner, and it has received one.
That also goes for other people who want to pursue the subject; I, and Jill, and perhaps others as well are asking you all to please take that argument to its designated thread. I would prefer to have you continue participating, but for whatever is left of my own sanity *I* have no interest in participating if every thread or every other thread is going to be turned into Steve M’s personal litterbox for dead horse abuse.
Jill and I contribute many articles in addition to many comments. And I think there are other people here who agree with us.
As I said on the thread linked @100, I’m willing to leave if the prevailing sentiment seems to be that Steve M’s hobbyhorse beating and the like should be allowed in any and all threads. What I am not willing to do is stick around and be subjected to it. Or to have the metadiscussion it generates eat up every other discussion. Hence the segregated thread.
If you or Steve M or the two of you want to make up for what Jill and I have been contributing, go ahead.
If you are unwilling to stick around under the conditions that make it possible for me to stick around, I’m sorry to see you go, but not sorry enough to put up with that ungrateful tripe of Steve M’s and the metadiscussion of it all over the place.
I really hope this ends the discussion of it in this thread and other unrelated threads. There is a thread custom made for this discussion; if you want to have this discussion, please use it.
@ 106,
“Please stop having discussions I don’t like.”
Um, no.
But I guess I’ll stop having discussions here, entirely.
@105 He keeps bitching about IPR reporting standards. There is no way that I know of to have his prior comments appear in the dashboard and still leave comment numbers intact to preserve comment number references. Please stop responding to him or discussing IPR policies in this or other threads besides the one I linked @100. That goes for everyone.
If you want to discuss IPR policies take it to the link @100 or for those of you who are IPR editors to our email list.
Spam comments will be deleted as spam, or the comments deleted while preserving the comment numbers, depending on what makes sense in the flow of the thread.
If the problem continues the spammer will be blocked. Please leave it at that and move on.
It would be ideal to make whatever SteveM wrote above available on the dashboard for accountability purposes. I see a comment history box, but it appears empty. Am I missing something?
Must be a different part of the interview. I think the devil suit protest was all about the “agenda.”
Wow, Don talked all that time and never once mentioned the Homosexual/Sodomy agenda. Amazing!
However, he said “irregardless”…no such word!
(not that I’m a grammar Nazi or anything.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pX81DiMfP0
Thanks, Paulie. I completely agree with you.
No chance in hell. The troll Steve M. can start his own website to compete with IPR if he does not like it here. I’ve had enough of this asshole hijacking multiple unrelated threads to complain that a free service he does absolutely nothing to support is not good enough for him. Hit the road, Steve, and don’t you come back no more, no more, no more, no more……
His complaints about normal IPR reporting methods which have been in place for years are not welcome on any thread except https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/02/debate-on-debate-parameters-plus-should-paulie-stay/ . Any such off topic comments on any other threads will be removed. If Steve M. continues to ignore this rule he is no longer welcome to comment on any IPR thread, including that one, whether his comments are on topic or not.
I’m asking other IPR editors for their help in helping remove his off topic comments when I’m not around to do it.
I’m also asking everyone else not to discuss the rules or their enforcement except in that one designated thread.
Enough is enough, and it’s been enough already.
I’m not interested in continuing the old conversation, either. I’m only interested in a truthful explanation and/or a heartfelt apology from Dr. Grundmann.
I’m not expecting either, but, hey, a girl can dream!
If you think that is a nice song and dance, you should see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc_5YyWgRas
Grundmann @77 Nice song and dance. I didn’t have the patience to read the whole thing. As far as I could tell you did nothing to address the fundamental issue that led to this thread, though.
As a proud champion of […] beliefs and […] theories, I wonder if my old nemesis, Don Grundman, would answer this hypothetical situation:
A. The anti-christ, who is a homosexual (obviously, duh) is going to be born. However, you COULD conceivably stop his birth by taking his mother, a non-Christian (obviously, duh) to get an abortion. Would you do it?
B. If they could find a way to determine what babies are going to be gay in utero, would you be in favor of terminating those pregnancies?
Grundmann had plenty of opportunities to explain himself. Instead he just spread lies and venom.
Are you kidding Steve M? Are you unaware of the other thread where Grindmann came out swinging, accusing everyone of bizarre things and calling everyone names? No way was Krzysztof causing the trouble here. This is a mobile phone so I can’t post the link, but of you read the last 300 or so comments, I believe you owe krzysztps an apology. It’s the thread comparing the LP to the Constitution party.
What does going on a date with a woman have to do with anything here? This just reflects mean spiritedness and egomania. We need to come together if we’re going to restore this country.
Why not? You can raise the standards of IPR by joining.
Also, in my opinion, lying is way worse than reporting on facts, which is what I did.
The basic issues is this.. I’m going to take discussions about IPR rules and procedures to the thread designated for that purpose, or my comments may be removed or changed, and I am also subject to being banned from IPR comments completely.
Ok, I published facts. I wouldn’t exactly call it “shooting him in the back”, but ok. You certainly are entitled to your opinion.
Don was the won who was lying, and he had to be exposed. Simple as that.
Steve M, want to sign up to be a contributor? Paulie can set you up.
[email protected]
1-847-513-1317
SINNER!
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If Don wants to issue a formal response, he can do so- furthermore, I will publish it as an article.
Also Don didn’t say anything for days until he reemerged to act in his usual condescending way, asserting that everyone who disagrees with him is somehow “below a human.”
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LOL
There is no pro-homosexual wing of the CP, you dumbass. I hope the CP openly condemns you. You are quite a crazy wackjob. You should go on a date with a woman, maybe she could make you a better person, who learns how to respect people. Oh wait…you’re mentally deranged, call women you disagree with “rodents” and have no sense of decency whatsoever, which is why to your grave you’ll remain a bachelor.
Thank you Cody once again for emailing Frank. Now this scoundrel won’t be blatantly lying about his position with the CP anymore.
kind of reminds me of the the three lads who were goading a tiger at the sf zoo… when the tiger leapt up, escaped and ended up killing one of the boys.
Look Krzystof…. you have been goading Don and Don responded. Time to move on…..
Dr.Grundmann will call you a SINNER Krzysztof!
Yeah Don, I’m not a man. You don’t know me at all, but I am still “less than a man”. You’ve never met me in person, yet just by virtue of internet postings you have deduced this much about me. Congrats.
Jesus you are such a brilliant man. Tell me more please! 😉
Don you are an idiot. Cody didn’t endorse gay marriage, ever. He just condemns your stupidity and insane views, rightly so, as do I.
Tom Stevens is no longer chairman of the LPPA. One person will not influence my decision to join a party. Every political party has its quirky, even completely out of whack individuals.
Ok now I think Krzysztof should NOT join the CP nor LP. He’ll be pissed off with #77’s comments above and he’s pissed off at LP’s Dr. Tom Stevens. He should join (if there is one) a Right-to-life party in Illinois because he’s stated a Pro-Life position. Maybe he’s more moderate than these two individuals.
-On a side note on abortion one should listen to the testimony of Gianna Jesson and Melissa Ohden. These two women were aborted by their biological mothers and survived in 1977. Go on youtube and type their names. Their stories are moving whatever your position on this issue is.
So many things to write about but I will only touch on a few right now –
Krzysztof -I am actually glad that you wrote this thread because it actually reveals far more about you and Cody than myself.
I must start out and say that the reason for my referring to myself as Chairman was something which you, as a male ( an inferior; i.e.; less than; man ), can, as with Cody, have no comprehension of. Only a man can understand such and as you are not one you will, as with Cody and many other attackers here, sneer at my actions as part of your continuing avoidance having the crimes which you endorse challenged and exposed. So I will not elaborate further except in other references as with a previous posting where I partially described the phenomenon of males and females – gender inferiors of man and women.
Additionally I have been in the battle against the enemies, in many forms, of our nation for many years. Whatever you, as the twerp which you are, may claim as battlefield experience in the war to save our nation ( of which I consider you to be openly on the other side ) has been matched by myself by easily a factor 0f 1,000 +. So the unfortunate truth is that it is you, as with Cody, who are the ” fraud ” but, even more unfortunately, you are too much a fool to see it and I predict that A) you never shall, and hence B) you will never recover from your affliction.
But you have performed a service in that Cody is smoked out as the most visible support within the CP for homosexual marriage; the beginnings of yet another Trojan Horse within the party, as with Seidenberg and Robinson before, working to destroy it from within.
This certainly was not my intent although being stabbed in the back by Cody is … well, show me something new. That is simply Cody being Cody – a backstabber who brings Frank into the battle ( as a backdoor attempt to weaken the party and aid its enemies which this thread indicates was very very successful ) which he is too weak and pathetic to fight himself; i.e.; he doesn’t have the intellectual firepower and/or ( especially ) ” cajones ” to defend his position in support of pervert marriage as illustrated by his defense of the non-existent but Socially Engineered into him condition of ” homophobia.”
But of course Cody is concerned about ” image ” as are all of the other supporters of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement whom I have been challenging at this site. As I expose the horrific and monstrous attack plans of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement concerning the children of our nation what does Cody stand for? Of course it is ” image ” as he is like so many others here at IPR who can’t give less of a damn about children, their defense from attack, or ( especially ) truth. It is ALL about image; i.e.; ” looking good.” And since the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement appears to be at the brink of its greatest victory in its war against humanity Cody has naturally chosen sides ( indicating both where his REAL allegiance has been all along and how shallow/fake his previous mask was ) and hence rushes to the defense of his Homosexual/Sodomy Movement supporters by claiming that my attacks against them make the CP ” look bad.” Spoken like the ultra shallow cowardly betrayer that he is.
By the way, I gave Cody a call before sitting down to write this, It was a courtesy which he certainly did not afford to me but, again, that was Cody being Cody. A perfect illustration of his character – and yours KL.
I left a message with the question – Well, are you going to continue attacking me? Of course I already knew the answer but I gave him the opportunity to respond. The response – none of course.
Hence the enemies of the CP and the Christian principles which our nation was founded upon and which it has worked to defend ( Robinson, Seidenberg, and their bosses of the SPLC, ADL, and Republican Party ) can rejoice. There is someone within the CP who is carrying on their work/banner. More openly of course and without the outright criminality of filing fake documents with the state and committing the crime of fraud as with Robinson and Seidenberg but nonetheless working to weaken the CP by bringing open support for homosexuality within the party and attacking those such as myself who are working to fight the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement and defend the children of our nation. To defend our entire future actually. Hence I am glad that as a result of your twerpy actions Cody has ” come out of the closet.”
So the end result is a micro sized reflection of far greater battles. For although IPR has an infinitesimally small audience it is nevertheless reflective of the sickness of our culture that a rare defender of children such as myself is attacked by the mass majority of commentators when in the former times of a non-psychotic nation the defenders of attacking children would have been of the tiniest size and influence. Such is the fantastic success of Social Engineering to produce an utterly not just amoral but anti-moral mass of mutants who are more than willing to ” shove under the bus ” the children of our nation and this to protect their more-precious-than-gold ” image.”
And of course the CP has its own poison as does the nation with the question being – will the pro-homosexual ” Cody wing ” of the party succeed in shattering its traditional, and founding, stand against the degeneracy of homosexuality and support for the profound value and importance of traditional marriage? Will ” image ” win over truth? Will we be just like Republicans – too afraid to defend our values ( or at least what we, excluding Cody of course, SAY they are )? As evil overcomes the nation will we be more concerned about our ” image ” and hence ” go along to get along?”
On one side we have the SPLC, the ADL, the ” moderate ” Republicans, Robinson, Seidenberg, Alan Keyes, Tom Hoefling, Ed Noonan, Cody, and you, KL. Backstabbers, betrayers, liars, traitors, fakes, cowards, ” image ” preeners, outright criminals as with Robinson and Seidenberg, and all of the other supporters, at IPR and beyond, of the war/jihad against children; i.e.; the complete and total opposite of our Founding Fathers. Not a drop of or desire to defend truth among any of them. Each and all ready to sell out our nation, its children, and anything else for ” 30 pieces ” at the first opportunity.
On the other side we have myself and many other believers in and fighters for traditional ( REAL ) values; i.e.; REAL man and women marriage and the value of human life – saying NO to abortion – within the CP. Fighting to defend the children of our nation, and indeed throughout the world, from the most monstrous and horrific attack against them that can be imagined. We will fight to our last breath for the defense of Christian values and our Christian nation.
Which side will win? In either the CP or the nation as a larger field of battle? And it simply boils down to evil vs good, anti-Christian vs Christian.
We shall see who wins here.
We already know who wins in the end; an occurance which His enemies, be they spiritual or corporate as above, dismiss and spit upon.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. the proud Founder of the Constitution Party of California and one person who declares my, imperfect due only to myself, allegiance to the Creator of the Universe, the Creator of the Bible, to the defense of His creation, the children of now and the future and is not ashamed in the slightest degree, now or ever, to do so.
It’s not a waste of time to educate concerned Americans about the betrayal of our Homeland by alien interests that have borrowed their way into control of our institutions and establishments, and the third world genetic conquest they are waging against us as an underhanded war tactic.
Mark, even if there is something to the birth certificate issue, do you really think anything will come of it? I think if it would happen, it would have by now.
Perhaps a more likely avenue to pursue would be his college records. If Barry Soetoro attended school as a foreign exchange student and accepted money for it, then shouldn’t we be able to verify that he has become a citizen since then? If not, then some fraud happened somewhere.
Most likely, it’s all a waste of time.
@73 See Dave Weigel’s definitive take on this nonsense.
@72 No drinks in the hotel room. I already had 81 ounces of fairly strong beer at the restaurant, so I do have a slight buzz. No need to get hammered.
Paulie
You are wrong about where Obama was born. He
was born on Mombasa Island. He came into the
United States across the border from Canada.
Remember, his mother attended the University
of Washington Extention after she arrived in the
United States with her baby Barry Obama. That
was late September, 1961. They lived on Capitol
Hill in Seattle at the time.
You may recall that back in the USSR birth records reflected where your mother came from
and not the place of birth. I am informed
of 58 other birth certificates issued by the
government of Hawaii to person not born there.
I know what Dr. Grundmann would say of Paris Hilton. SINNER. I think there is a video of her-One Night in Paris? Not sure. Ex-boyfriend Solomon made it?
Methinks Paulie has been enjoying drink in his hotel room, while awaiting the fair maiden from the restaurant to arrive.
@67
Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born US citizen.
Sorry for the spelling errer. It is” Zanzibar”.
@66
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd9VwVPEhnQ
Paulie
The reason Obama was a Subject of the Sultan
of Zanzibar was in 1919 his grandfather was include
in a naturalization degree of the Sultan of Zheanzibar.
My suggest is you read the report issued by
Major Rod Hughes USMC at the Command and
Staff College on the 1949 conviction of Obama’s
grandfather. It was published by the US Government in 1984. Obama grandfather was
a convicted in Kenya for acts against the King
of England and was jailed for 16 month and not
the 6 month claimed by Obama in his book.
What would Dr. Grundmann say to this/these above situations?
fyi Daisy married Harold Estep and Violet married
James Moore.
Shitty shitty gang bang.
albany layman said,
That goat scene in Shitty Shitty Gang Bang was really disturbing. I mean, couldn’t they have cleaned up Romano and Kaus a little bit? I felt terrible for those goats.
It’s an interesting question. There was recently a television show about conjoined young women. The DMV in their state decided each woman needed to be licensed separately. They both went to college to teach children. I wonder how that would work? Most classrooms only have one teacher, so how will a school district justify two salaries for one classroom? These are fascinating questions.
I believe the conjoined brothers from Siam (Ng, I think was their name) each fathered many children. If I recall, they married (non-conjoined) sisters.
fyi Daisy married Harold Estep and Violet married
James Moore.
The legal issues before courts across the United
States were of great interest in the legal community
at the time of the mid 1930’s.
Here the Hilton sisters in one body had two husbands, each husband had two wives in
one.
It went to the heart of the marriage laws
of all the states!
Wow, I didn’t know this story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilton_twins
For those that do not know the Hilton Twins,
They were born in 1908 in England, and were
allowed lawful admission on the grounds they
were medical oddities. Otherwise they would
have been excluded under US Law.
Unlike Obama and McCain they were admitted
to the United States. Since McCain was born
in the Republic of Panama and Obama was born
in Mombasa as a Subject of the Sultan of Zanzibar. Neither Obama or McCain became a
Citizen of the United States. The reason Obama
did not get Citizen Status was that his mother
was under 19 years and a day at the time of his
birth. The requirement in 1961 was the mother
who was a United States Citizen had to be a
resident of the United States for 10 year with
five of those years after the age of 14 years of age. For McCain his mother was required to
be employed by the United States Government
or the Pamama Railroad Company at the time
of his birth in the Republic of Panama, because
his parents were never lawfully married by the
time of his born at the Colon Hospital on the
Island of Colon in the Republic of Panama.
I think Don has given up on saving our souls. He’s fighting the good homosexual fight somewhere else (where he’s appreciated, I’m sure).
I think he would go about it kind of like the old grandpappy who who would sit his young ‘un and make him chain smoke a whole pack of cigarettes all at once to teach him about the dangers of smoking.
😀
Paulie,
I recall the Hilton Twins and their lawsuits in
almost every state in the United States when
one part tried to get married. Because they were
joined every state, until North Carolina would
not let one part of the twins get married.
This was the issue of the 1930’s. The act on North Carolina was not given full faith and
credit by the other states.
The issue went to one person having two wives
in the same body.
Background on the other issue of going nude. In
the late 19th Century, the city of Home, Washington had a large nudist population. Members of the Grand Army of Republic wanted
to stop the nudity, so they chartered a ship with
the plan of killing the nudists in Home, Washington.
My question for Dr. Grundmann would your
go to the Castro and end nudity as the drunk
GAR tried to do before the 20th century?
I’ll let you all figure out who is who in the photo.
Grundmann’s description of the San Francisco nudists is inaccurate. I actually attended one of their rallies when I was passing through there in January.
It is entirely untrue that they are all male. There were many women in the group, and at least one female to male tranny.
Most of the women were not what most guys would consider hot, but a couple of them were.
I did not get naked myself, not that I’m too shy to do it even with the weight problem, but it was a chilly day and I did have a rather disgusting skin problem (not an STD despite appearances).
Since then solved for the time being with an over the counter product.
Starchild got us out to that event, and surprised me by not getting naked himself. He did take his shirt off, but it was just to change shirts. Maybe he didn’t feel like showing off that day, or maybe he too felt chill in the air.
This was at the park where the nudist rally was, on the way back to the car:
Paulie
Note the photo who is the good looking one that
can’t hold the booze? Is this one of the nude street walkers in the Castro that Grundmann
in concerned about being in the buff!?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
*fine
That’s fin Chris.
James Ogle is messaging me on Facebook 🙂
lol another crazy character
Yo Cody, next time I get forwarded emails from the CP that are worth publishing, I will ask whoever forwarded or sent them if I can publish them or not.
LOL, Dennis–or fighting homsexual urges, as the case may be–
Don can’t comment at the moment. He is too busy fighting the homosexual conspiracy to pervert our youth lmao
Thank you, Mark, and thanks for being polite about it. This is a bit confusing, or at least it is to me.
Thanks for the lesson, Sam. Maybe I’m a little less pesky rodent than a rat, like a squirrel.
Jill Pyeatt
Dr. Don Grundmann was on the National Committee and State Central Committee of
the American Independent Party of California
for many years.
His last date on these committee’s was the
date of September 2, 2008. He was removed
from the County Central Committee for Alameda
County of the AIP, early in 2008. This information was passed on to me by the Alameda
County Chairman at that time.
The 2006 – 2008 Chairman of AIP removed Dr.
Grundmann as an Area Director of the AIP in
early 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVrZb21KSfI
MR @ 41: ” Try to read a little more carefully. All of that was in my post”.
Thanks for answering. So very sorry to trouble you. I’m at work and often skim over incredibly long posts too quickly–
Geez, are you and Seidenberg twins who were separated at birth?
Jill, I hold two offices in the AIP of CA of which Mark Seidenberg is Vice Chairman: Executive Committee Chairman & Secretary.
Try to read a little more carefully. All of that was in my post.
Sam at 36: Of course I would be embarrassed, but then I wouldn’t have behaved in any way at all like Grundmann did, so that’s not a good criteria.
So then, Mr. Robinson, you are not affiliated with the entity that Mark Seidenberg is vice-chairman of?
We will be shooting for ballot qualification in many States in 2014 & all 50 in 2016.
What do you plan to do this “shooting” with?
Let me introduce myself. I am currently the Secretary of the American Independent Party of California’s State Central Committee and the State Central Committee’s Executive Committee Chairman. I seldom comment, but there are some errors of fact.
Mark Seidenberg filled out the 2010-2012 term of Nathan Sorenson as Chairman of our State Central Committee. Dr. Wiley Drake is the Current Chairman of our State Central Committee for the 2012-2014 term and Mark Seidenberg his Vice Chairman.
The AIP of CA is no longer affiliated with America’s Independent Party, now renamed America’s Party. I was Vice Chairman of America’s Independent Party starting office in 2008 & continuing until they renamed themselves America’s Party.
In 2008 when the Constitution Party sandbagged our delegation to their Convention in Kansas City Missouri, organized an unauthorized State Convention & then sued the then AIP State Central Committee Chairman Edward Noonan. When that suit was filed, I was Chairman elect of the AIP.
That suit failed and two suits were filed against me, both of which also failed. These failures were due the quite evident inability of the Constitution Party, its California pawns & its law firm to follow AIP Bylaws, Rules of Order, California Election Code, OR Court Rules. But other those few minor points, they conducted themselves in an absolutely sterling manner!
So you will imagine that it is no surprise to me that there is confusion in Constitution Party Ranks–with the national Constitution Party Chairman alleging “facts” that amount to his claiming that the Constitution Party or Constitution Party of California are different entities or that if the same, that Charles Deemer, the Justice Party Chairman & the ACLU misrepresented the regular formation of the Constitution Party of California which they alleged was conducted according to Election Code Requirements and filed by Don Grundmann to that effect with the California Secretary of State.
But of course this is all a tempest in a teapot, the CP being in absolutely no danger of qualifying for the California ballot when flaws in their founding might come to light that is, if the AIP was as eager to interfere in theirs as the CP was in AIP affairs!
But as to who is Chairman of the AIP, I must confess that I am the source of the confusion, for I have not yet filed the succession papers for the Chairmanship that the CA Secretary of State so relies on. If you have been paying attention, you may wonder which party the AIP is currently affiliated with. It is the American Independent Party Of These United States (AIPOTUS). It is a renewed national effort for the AIP. We will be shooting for ballot qualification in many States in 2014 & all 50 in 2016. I am the first Chairman & Wiley Drake my Vice Chairman. Our National Committee is currently made up of all the AIP of CA National Committeemen. The AIP of CA is so far its single State Party affiliate. Applications gladly accepted. We also elected a Secretary/Treasurer and issued a Declaration of Principle. We are still in the formative stages needing Bylaws, Platform, more officers, etc.
Markham Robinson, AIPOTUS Chairman
Well, wouldn’t *you* be embarrassed?
I am surprised he’s staying away. He just can’t let us “rodents” have the last word, can he?
So far so good 😛
You know Chris, I wished you waited for the ‘ok’ before publishing this email, even though with the trouble Don was causing, it should have been clarified and made known to people sooner about Don’s standing with the CP, IMO.
But if this will hopefully shut up Don for the lying troublemaker that he is, then yay.
Grundmann seems to have gotten real quiet all of a sudden.
Paging Don Grundmann…come in Dr. Grundmann, do you copy?
Frank Fluckiger
At your post # 24 you stated: “Don Grundmann
had earlier [prior to January 9, 2013] filed the
name of the Constitution Party with the California Secretary of State, but there had not yet been a meeting to officially organize the party.”
However, California Elections Code Section 5001
states: “When ever a group of electors desires to
quilify a new political party meeting the requirements of Section 5100, that group shall form a political body by:
(a) Holding a caucus or convention at which temporary officers shall be elected and a party
name designated”. The designated party name of shall not be so similar to the name of an existing party so as to mislead the voters, and shall no conflict with that on any existing party
or political body that has previous filed notice
pursuant to subdivision (b).
(b) Filling formal notice with the Secretary of State. That the political body has organized, elected temporary officers, and declared an
intention to qualify a political party pursuant
to section 5100. The notice shall include the
names and address of the temporary officers
of the political body.
In CC/ROV Memorandum # 10262 Deirdre Avert states that Don Grundmann sent notice
to the CA Secretary of State that there was a
meeting according to Dr. Grundmann in his
formal letter received on August 9, 2010.
Therefore, please explain if you are correct that
no meeting took place to elect temporary officers?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
not be so
NewFederalist
I do not understand your comment. Do you have
a copy of the by-laws of the “Constitution Party
of California” as amended?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Mark… you are really a piece of work!
Richard Winger
Thank you for your comment in post 26.
By CC/ROV 12115 and CC/ROV 12165 we had two political bodies attempting to qualify to be
a political party. Don Grundmann was active
in forming both, viz. 1) Constitution Party of
California, and 2) Constitution Party (which
was organized in 2012).
The prior one the Constitution Party of California
was what filled suit against Secretary of State Debra Bowen on 1st and 14th Amendment Issues. They won.
It is the Constitution Party of California that Don
Grundmann asseverates to be Chairman of and
not the Constitution Party that Nathan Johnson
was elected Chairman of on January 9, 2013 at the Convention in Bakersfield.
Please confirm that the California Election Code
required that a group of California Electors “organized” at a convention to
form in 2010 the “Constituion Party of California”. Therefore the political body named
the “Constitution Party of California” did not go
away 135 days before the Primary. because of the
Charles Deemer lawsuit in United States District
Court.
I note the letters of Don Grundmann to the California Secretary of State circa March 25,
2012 and May 17, 2012.
It is my understanding that the political body known as the “Constitution Party of California”
headed by Don Grundmann is recogized by
Secretary of State Debra Bowen and the “Constitution Party” Chaired by Nathan Johnson has no acknowledgement, because
the name “Constitution Party” is to close of a
name to the “Constitution Party of California”.
Therefore, would someone post the by-laws of the Constitution Party of California as amended.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
There we go.
Yes, I was there and Don Grundmann seemed perfectly and utterly in agreement with everything that happened there. He had chaired the first part of the meeting and seemed in accord with all the actions that were taken.
One additional thing.
Richard Winger of Ballot Access News was also in attendance at the meeting and he could confirm what transpired. He also spoke at the meeting. I should have made mention on that in the above post.
After reading all of the comments above, I thought it best to simply write and to clarify a few things.
In January I and the Western Regional Chairman of the Constitution Party were invited to attend and to speak at the first organizing convention of the Constitution Party in California. Don Grundmann had earlier filed the name of the CP with the CA Secretary of State, but there had not yet been a meeting to officially organize the party.
Both Don and Nathan Johnson along with others were in attendance at the meeting. Don chose to remain a member of he AIP for reasons that need not be discussed here. As I recall, Nathan Johnson was the only one nominated for the position of chairman and was elected unanimously.
I was later informed that Don was sending out responses stating that he was chairman of the CP and I simply asked him to discontinue using that title since Nathan Johnson was now the chairman. Don has agreed to that. To make more or less of the situation seems somewhat ludicrous to me.
In particular I thought Mark’s comments were entertaining to say the least. He called me after the meeting and said he was pleased to hear that Nathan was elected chairman, so he was fully aware of what happened. Mark has control of the AIP in California so the only real option for the those who were not in accord with his control of the party was to move forward by officially organizing the Constitution Party which is what was done at the meeting. Since the party at the national level is known as the Constitution Party it was only logical to use that name in California as well.
Hopefully this will clear any misunderstandings up.
ty Krzysztof . For the sake of the CP these two should leave that party. Christian Liberty Party would be good choice. Sounds like hardline purists to me.
Grundmann and Seidenberg should both be in America’s Party. I’d love to see Don leave the CP. Or better yet, these two guys should join the one true theocratic party in the US, a party called the Christian Liberty Party (BTW johnO, the American Heritage Party changed its name to the Christian Liberty Party in November 2010). Thankfully, the CLP appears to be a website only party.
Maybe Dr. Grundmann will join the American Heritage Party or Conservative Party USA after this. Sounds like Mr. Seidenberg and Dr. Grundmann cannot get along.
Nice touch, Mark. You are SUCH a help.
Jill’s post # 13 does not clear up the problem.
You are not seeing the whole picture. Charles
Deemer got the United States District Court in
CALIFORNIA JUSTICE COMMITTEE v. DEBRA
BOWEN, CV12-3956 PA (AGR) on October 18, 2012 to order an end to the 135 day requirement,
thereby ending the requirement under California
Election Code Section 5004.
Please post the By-Laws of the Constitution Party of California, I can not believe it gives
the authority to Frank Fluckiger to remove
Don Grundmann from office as Chairman.
There are currently 304 California Electors in the Constitution Party. It is therefore, not a big
deal form the National CP to write these electors
to join a new party with a different name and
let Dr. Don Grundmann and his mommy keep
the name of the Constitution Party of California.
My suggestion for a new name is the “US TAXPAYERS PARTY OF CALIFORNIA, because
several persons are registered with that party in
California.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
Mark, Jill’s post above (#13) clears up the issue.
Dennis
What is cleared up? Does anyone have the by-laws of the Constitution Party of California?
When was Dr. Don Grundmann elected Chairman and what does those by-laws state
that his term of Office?
Does these by-laws give Frank Fluckiger the authority to remove Dr. Don Grundmann from
is Chairmanship of the Constitution Party of California?
Does the by-laws allow California Electors not
registered in the political body known as the
Constitution Party of California to hold the
office of Chairman?
These questions and the requested information
needs to come forward before one can state it is
cleared up.
Why does Frank Fluckiger make the determination if Dr. Don Grundmann is the Chairman or not?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of California
I found it on their FB page.
So it was in January. Thanks for the link Jill.
I am glad this has been cleared up.
I found this. Toward the bottom of the page, Frank Flukinger talks about California.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/Portals/0/SiteImages/Newsletter%20PDF/Newsletter%20January%20Volume%202%20Issue%202.pdf
Yes, Andy, I think that is correct.
So upon looking at the article again, it sounds like Don was the State Chair up until this past March when he lost that position to this Nathan Jones guy.
No he not re elected as state chairman in the CP’s March meeting in Bakersfield. So before these moronic statements on the CP vs LP thread.
“Krzysztof Lesiak // Apr 6, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Yes, Seidenberg is worse in my opinion… I am just glad Frank Fluckiger clarified that Don no longer holds any position with the CP of California.
Don is an embarrassment to the Constitution Party. All the other CP folks I’ve met through Facebook and other means seem to good, honest and principled people. Don kind of stick out like a sore thumb.”
When did Don get removed as State Chair of the Constitution Party of California, or was he ever State Chair of the Constitution Party of California?
Andy, read Frank Fluckiger’s statement in the article, he kinda explains it.
Yes, Seidenberg is worse in my opinion… I am just glad Frank Fluckiger clarified that Don no longer holds any position with the CP of California.
Don is an embarrassment to the Constitution Party. All the other CP folks I’ve met through Facebook and other means seem to good, honest and principled people. Don kind of stick out like a sore thumb.
“Krzysztof Lesiak // Apr 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm
No, Seidenberg is the chairman of the AIP (an affiliate of Alan Keyes’s party, America’s Party). The current chairman of the Constitution Party of California is Nathan Johnson.
The CP of California is labeled by the CA SOS as a “political body attempting to qualify as a political party”, but the AIP is a qualified political party with full ballot access.”
I already knew this, well, except for the part about Nathan Jones being the State Chair of the Constitution Party of California.
I was just pointing out that I think that Don is in the right in his dispute with Seidenberg.
Did Don just get removed from being the Constitution Party of California’s State Chairman, and if so, was it for remarks he posted on-line? Or, was he already not the Constitution Party of California’s State Chairman prior to this?
No, Seidenberg is the chairman of the AIP (an affiliate of Alan Keyes’s party, America’s Party). The current chairman of the Constitution Party of California is Nathan Johnson.
The CP of California is labeled by the CA SOS as a “political body attempting to qualify as a political party”, but the AIP is a qualified political party with full ballot access.
“Jill Pyeatt // Apr 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm
He’s had some running dispute with Mark Seidenberg for some time, but I haven’t known if it was personal or a party issue.”
Say what you will about Don Grundmann, but this Seidenberg guy sounds worse to me. He’s one of the people who hijacked the American Independent Party, gave their 2008 ballot access to neo-con Alan Keyes, and broke off ties to the Constitution Party. He also frequently pops up on-line and gloats about it.
He’s had some running dispute with Mark Seidenberg for some time, but I haven’t known if it was personal or a party issue.
I just cannot wait to hear Don’s response to this. He has been exposed as a fraud.