Open Thread VI for Discussions of Small ‘l’ Libertarianism and Anarchy

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At Independent Political Report, our mission is to post articles about independents or alternate parties. From time to time, however, an interesting article comes around regarding the philosophy of libertarianism or anarchy, both of which are topics which many of our readers have interest in. This thread is dedicated to those articles.

Feel free to post something in comments that you may find that fall into the categories of small “l” libertarianism, or anarchy. This is also a good thread for those discussions about anarchy that keep showing up on other threads, which aren’t related to the topic.

I’ll end intro to the thread with some words about anarchy.

Definition

anarchy Pronunciation: /ˈanəki/
Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

Some interesting quotes about anarchy:

“Anarchy is the only slight glimmer of hope.”
― Mick Jagger

“People have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want and the courage to take.”
― Emma Goldman

“Our masters have not heard the people’s voice for generations and it is much, much louder than they care to remember.”
― Alan Moore, V for Vendetta

“Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others.”
― Edward Abbey

“That is what I have always understood to be the essence of anarchism: the conviction that the burden of proof has to be placed on authority, and that it should be dismantled if that burden cannot be met.”
― Noam Chomsky

20 thoughts on “Open Thread VI for Discussions of Small ‘l’ Libertarianism and Anarchy

  1. Thomas L. Knapp

    Any writer who says that “almost without exception, the only libertarians sounding an alarm about the male dominance of the cause are female” — or who thinks Christopher Cantwell is a “libertarian” — hasn’t done his homework.

  2. EducateOrganizeResist

    Hello!

    From the article cited above: “Libertarianism makes the radical assertion that these subjects are irrelevant outside of our own personal preferences, and that our own personal preferences are not how the whole of human society should be organized. So the short answer to libertarian diversity is, I don’t care, and neither should you.”

    This is ridiculous and is exactly why more people don’t embrace libertarianism.

  3. Caryn Ann Harlos

    I object to having anarchy discussions away from general Libertarian threads since anarchists are in the LP (obviously since the post author is as well) and I don’t really want to be further marginalized. I know that wasn’t the intent, but it is the outworking.

  4. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I had the same concerns as Thomas Knapp did. Using Cantwell as a source sort of nullified the article for me. I do think it made some worthwhile points, though.

  5. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Caryn, the need for the dedicated thread may have run its course. It seemed for a while that we had more critics of the site (including trolls) than we do now. It actually wasn’t anarchy that caused me to start a thread for such discussions; it was mainly small ‘l’ articles I kept finding. It is hard to justify posting an article if it doesn’t relate directly to the LP. They would get lost in the monthly open threads.

    Perhaps this will be our last open one, if there isn’t much use for it.

  6. Michael H. Wilson

    From my point of view the problem is that the growth of the party is flat. We seem to suffer from tunnel vision and the candidates are still running paper campaigns after all these years. The LP needs to broaden its base and it seem to be reluctant to do so.

  7. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/why_libertarianism_is_so_popular_on_the_right_its_the_last_bastion_of_white_male_dominance/

    Yes, there are many more men in the LP. It’s like this in Los Angles County. Unfortunately, the last two strong women in positions of authority here have both resigned quickly, with little explanation. This single reason is enough for not to go further in state politics. I’m happy in my little niche as Region Chair of the Pasadena/Glendale region, which remains one of the most active regions. In fact, just 10 days ago I was re-elected for what we think is my 7th year as Chairperson.

    I have personally experienced attempts to purge me from the party. I do NOT think the people doing this are Libertarians, but I could be wrong. Most of the men here are very respectful to our differences and let us do our “thing”. Even when I was younger and single, I was treated with respect by pretty much everyone.

    I don’t think the LP needs to change in order to attract women. We do need to be more vocal as to how our philosophy actually enables women to live the types of life many women want to.

  8. Robert Capozzi

    I thought the idea of these separate threads was to deal with theory as opposed to specific political developments and news. AndyLand, Somalia as Paradise, etc.

  9. Caryn Ann Harlos

    I have never ever had an issue as a woman in the LP. Then again, I haven’t had issues in LIFE as a woman. Sorry but that is the experience of most woman IMHO. Despite all the rhetoric that we must see everything as patriarchy etc etc. My life is what I made of it.

  10. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    To clarify, I don’t think the attempt to purge me from the party was because I’m a woman; I think it was because I have a very solid leadership role.

  11. Steve Scheetz

    I have stated this before, but it bears repeating. Anarchism / Voluntaryism is that shining Beacon on the hill. It is that place where people treat each other with respect, not because some government tells them to, but because it is the right thing to do. It is that place where people trade with each other, they do not try to get over on each other, and they work toward bettering their home (read that as neighborhood / community / town / etc.) People do this NOT because some government tells them to, but because it is the moral thing to do.

    Today, my neighbor and I cleaned up our “non-designated” street. The government did not do this, WE DID, and not because government told us, but because we recognized that it needed to be done. (each of us would have done it individually for the above reason, but that was not necessary.)

    I helped members of my neighborhood as well. Not because I had to, but because I WANTED to. I asked for nothing, but received a shot of schnapps, a German holiday cake, and a couple of beers… As staggered back behind my snow blower… (Staggering not because of alcohol, but because I ran out of gas too far away from my gas can and had to push my snow blower back without the aid of the drive) I felt good about what I did, and that was all the thanks I needed.

    On a side note, my neighbors are all armed to the teeth, as are we, and we will stand to defend each other and each other’s stuff, BECA– USE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO…. This is what it means to be a Philosophical Anarchist.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  12. langa

    I object to having anarchy discussions away from general Libertarian threads since anarchists are in the LP (obviously since the post author is as well) and I don’t really want to be further marginalized. I know that wasn’t the intent, but it is the outworking.

    If I recall correctly, the reason they started doing these threads was because people were complaining that there was too much discussion of libertarian philosophy, with no direct connection to electoral politics or the LP. It definitely wasn’t to marginalize anarchists, nor to prevent all discussions of libertarian philosophy or anarchy on other threads. I think these sorts of threads are probably more valuable during off years, when there isn’t as much to talk about as there is during an election year.

  13. Thomas L. Knapp

    I agree with langa.

    There’s nothing to stop anyone from bringing up anarchist versus minarchist concerns in an LP-related thread, but the ongoing larger debate about anarchism versus minarchism within libertarianism deserves its own venue.

    If we ever attract a more substantial Green readership, there might be reason to create a parallel recurring thread for THEIR internal debate on the role of the state, which is even broader than that of the LP. I know Greens who are anarchists, and I’ve heard at least one Green activist semi-publicly admit, apparently non-sarcastically, that he’s a Stalinist. That’s a pretty big divide.

  14. steve m

    “and I’ve heard at least one Green activist semi-publicly admit, apparently non-sarcastically, that he’s a Stalinist.”

    well i also am a Stalinist as in, when it comes to government…. stall them as long as I can ist.

  15. Cody Quirk

    That’s great, Steve Scheetz. But on a worldwide scale, that kind of utopia cannot perpetually last. Eventually, a few bad apples will come along, break the rules, and ruin everything since it is in our own DNA and nature to quarrel, be greedy, envious, and hateful -and inflict strive and war on others in response to such dark feelings or desires. And having zero limits and restrictions to stop such people from committing violence against others -these kinds of dilemmas will overtake the utopia.

    I’m all for minimalizing government as much as possible, but to do away with any and ALL forms of government is unrealistic and not accomplishable. To think otherwise and you’re as delusional as the Russian Bolsheviks and other Communists before they took power.

  16. Andy

    “Cody Quirk
    January 26, 2016 at 08:25
    That?s great, Steve Scheetz. But on a worldwide scale, that kind of utopia cannot perpetually last. Eventually, a few bad apples will come along, break the rules, and ruin everything since it is in our own DNA and nature to quarrel, be greedy, envious, and hateful -and inflict strive and war on others in response to such dark feelings or desires. And having zero limits and restrictions to stop such people from committing violence against others -these kinds of dilemmas will overtake the utopia.”

    Cody, this is what led to me creating the Libertarian Zone concept (with some of the ideas borrowed from others).

    The Libertarian Zone concept recognizes that there are a lot of people in this world who will never be libertarians no matter what we do. I think that this is the most realistic plan for creating a society that has a radical a radical amount of freedom, and also has a defense mechanism for maintaining that freedom.

    My Libertarian Zone concept has been online for a while now, and nobody has poked any holes in it.

    If I were a billionaire, I’d put some money into the idea and try to get a Libertarian Zone started somewhere.

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/07/andy-jacobs-the-libertarian-zone/

  17. Andy

    I agree with the anarcho-capitalist / voluntaryist philosophy, but I don’t think that everyone who espouses it has thought through realistic ways of achieving this kind of society.

    Here are a couple of questions that nobody has been able to answer:

    The government has compiled a huge stockpile of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction. What happens to the government’s massive weapons stockpile, including all of the nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, should the government be shut down?

    Do you think that the sociopaths who run the government are just going to put their weapons down and agree to “play nice” and live in a voluntary society, and if not, what is your solution to dealing with them?

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