Thomas Knapp: Cryptocurrency and the Shocking Revelation That White Supremacists Like Money

“White supremacists embraced cryptocurrency early in its development, ” Michael Edison Hayden and Megan Squire report at the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hatewatch blog, “and in some cases produced million-dollar profits through the technology, reshaping the racist right in radical ways.”

I have no doubt the claim is true.  What’s also true is a note several paragraphs into the piece: “Nothing is inherently criminal or extreme about it, and most of its users have no connections to the extreme far right. ”

You’re not going to hear much about that angle on the story in mainstream media reports on the topic, though.  Political coverage of cryptocurrency tends more toward cultivating moral panic — arousing the public to fright whether the facts justify that concern or not — than about care with such inconvenient facts.

Having mined out the moral panics over cryptocurrency being used by drug dealers and human traffickers, it was certain beyond doubt that the next step would be tarring Bitcoin and its siblings and children with the  brush of racism and antisemitism (and trying to dip libertarianism in that tar as well). NBC News gets right to work on the matter, quoting report co-author Squire:

“Crypto looked to [the far right] like an interesting toy and a way of being in charge of their money and not having to use central banking. Then when you layer the antisemitism, on top of that, as in ‘the banks are controlled by the Jews,’ it makes a lot of sense why these early adopters, these libertarian-styled guys, would get involved in Bitcoin so early.”

Just to be clear, libertarianism is neither inherently “right-wing” (I’m a left-libertarian myself) nor has anything whatsoever to do with anti-semitism. Many of libertarianism’s foremost framers and thought leaders, from Ludwig von Mises to Ayn Rand to Milton Friedman to Murray Rothbard, have been Jews, and the Libertarian Party’s platform “condemn[s] bigotry as irrational and repugnant.” Libertarians dislike government currencies and central banking because we like freedom, not because we hate Jews.

One attractive feature of cryptocurrency is that it reduces interference from intermediaries who might not want to do business with marginalized groups, and from governments persecuting those groups. It doesn’t care whether those groups are good or bad, loved or hated, socially accepted or socially ostracized.

That doesn’t just include drug dealers, or human traffickers, or child pornographers, or racists. It includes immigrants who need an easy way to send money home. It includes adult, consensual sex workers whose incomes and assets remain under constant threat from the police. It includes anyone who’d like a little privacy, please.

Nor is cryptocurrency unique in that respect. You know what else all of the groups I just named use? Cash. Yes, all those people use the same little green pieces of paper you probably keep in your own wallet for times when the fast food joint’s debit card terminal is down.

Cryptocurrency is money that doesn’t care who you are. It just does its job. And that’s a good thing.


Thomas L. Knapp (Twitter: @thomaslknapp) is director and senior news analyst at the William Lloyd Garrison Center for Libertarian Advocacy Journalism (thegarrisoncenter.org). He lives and works in north central Florida.

70 thoughts on “Thomas Knapp: Cryptocurrency and the Shocking Revelation That White Supremacists Like Money

  1. Nathan Norman

    Why do you lump so-called “racists” with “drug dealers, or human traffickers, or child pornographers”?

    I’ve been called “racist” and so has the commenter above me. You’ve probably been called “racist” before as well Tom. It’s a word with no meaning.

    What gives?

  2. Robert Milnes

    Recent anecdote: I have been taking pictures of vehicles nearby my house. Because there was an incident that I did not take a picture and the two guys drove off.
    A car pulled into the short dead end alley behind my house which is actually private property, not a public throughway. He stopped and asked me do you know where number x is? I pointed, then as he was turning around to come out of the dead end I took a picture trying to get the driver and front plate in one picture. He saw me and yelled why are you taking my picture? I said something flippant like because I can. As he drove past me he said something. Then he said “racist!.” I wasn’t wearing my glasses so I did not get a real clear look at him or his vehicle. That is why I take pictures! But if I had to guess I would say he was Hispanic. Then I yelled Get out of here!
    Then I pondered this exchange. I thought of the exchange in True Grit. Kim Darby said often I am going to tell my lawyer J. Noble Dagget! So when John Wayne and Glen Campbell said you are not coming with us across the river on the ferry, she said I paid my ten cents for horse and passenger I’m getting my lawyer J. Noble Dagget! Wayne said there is J. Noble Dagget again! Campbell said she pulls it out like a gun!
    Nathan Norman more or less called me and Tom, and HIMSELF a racist above.
    What gives?

  3. JT

    Nathan, I’m pretty sure he just called you Paulie. And he may be right. Why have you avoided Andy’s challenge to record the two of you meeting up at the local motel or gay sauna, in Scranton, Reading, Jacksonville, or wherever, on his 8mm movie camera (even though he hasn’t bought one yet)? It may be because you are Paulie. It could also be because you are Andy, so he knows that you can’t accept his challenge, because you are him. Maybe you are a supercomputer in Quantico, or Israel, or Manchuria. Of course, I could be any of those as well, but that doesn’t take you off the hook either. The more you avoid Andy’s challenge, the more suspicious you become.

  4. JT

    I don’t know. Is it? You might know better than me. And more importantly, why haven’t you agreed to make an adult video with Andy? You should prove you’re a real person by letting Andy come over and interview the crap out of you. Otherwise, you could be Andy, or Paulie, or a supercomputer somewhere, regardless of who or what I am. People keep asking you to get on video with Andy, and you keep ignoring those requests, which is highly suspicious.

  5. Andy

    This article to which Tom Knapp is responding is an obvious smear campaign, meant to scare a lot of people away from cryptocurrencies, by associating it with the “boogey man” of “white supremacists”. This is abusurd on multiple levels.

    1) The threat from “white supremacists” is wildly exaggerated, and in fact most of the people labeled as “white supremacists” are not even really “white supremacists”. The terms “racist” and “white supremacists” have become so over used, and misused, that they are losing their meaning. The terms are often misapplied to anyone who does not buy into official government and mainstream media narratives, and often have little to no connection to actual racism. Even when they do have a connection to actual racism, a lot of the people labeled as “white supremacists” are not really “white supremacists.” they are more accurately white separatists. A supremacist seeks to rule over others. A lot of the labeled “white supremacists” are not seeking to rule over other races, they just want to live separately.

    2) While it is true that some people who have been labeled as “white supremacists” have accepted cryptocurrency donations, as have some libertarians, most of them did not get into cryptocurrency early enough, or at a big enough level, to get rich off of it. If they had, there’d be lots of “white supremacists” who are millionaires and billionaires, and for that matter, the same goes with libertarians. The primary reason for “white supremacists” accepting donations in cryptocurrency is because some of them got shut out of the regular banking and credit card system (gee, I wonder what group of people is over-represented in running these institutions).

    3) Like Tom pointed out, cryptocurrency allows people a means to transact value regardless of ideology, and people do the exact same things with those pieces of paper issued by governments which get used as money.

    4) Most cryptocurrencies have proven themselves to be a better form of money than the fiat currencies issued by governments. A person would be much better off right now if they had put $10,000 into Bitcoin exactly one year ago than keeping it in US Dollars or in any other government fiat currency. While there is a lot of volatility in non-government controlled cryptocurrencies, this is in large part because it is an emerging market, and reality is that it is greatly outperformed government fiat currencies. While government fiat currencies have GONE DOWN in value, cryptocurrencies have gone WAY UP in value. There are over 6,000 cryptocurrencies now, and this does not mean they are all worthwhile, as a lot of them are known as “$#*+ coins;” but this is actually a positive thing, because it shows that there is real currency competition in the cryptocurrency market. There will be winners and losers in this competition, but competition breeds better products, and this is what is happening in the cryptocurrency revolution. The real “$#*+ coins” are the fiat currencies put out by governments.

  6. Whoah

    Andy:…the regular banking and credit card system (gee, I wonder what group of people is over-represented in running these institutions).

    ? …College graduates?

  7. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “Just to be clear, libertarianism is neither inherently ‘right-wing’ (I’m a left-libertarian myself)”

    Libertarianism is not inherently right wing or left wing. Libertarianism, as properly defined, is about property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle, and that’s it.

    “and the Libertarian Party’s platform ‘condemn[s] bigotry as irrational and repugnant.'”

    This is something that was inserted into the Libertarian Party’s platform by left wing Social Justice Warriors who do NOT understand the philosophy and were more interested in virtue signaling to the left than they were to actually adhering to actual libertarian principles.

    The libertarian philosophy has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with condeming bigotry. Bigotry is a matter of opinion, and is a SOCIAL PREFERENCE and falls OUTSIDE the realm of property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle.

    A person can hold WHATEVER view they want, including being a racist or a bigot, and STILL be in line with libertarian principles so long as they adhere to property rights and and Non-Aggression Principle.

    A person can hold bigoted views about all kinds of things, from taste in music or style of clothing, to economic status, to a person’s body size or type, or hair style, or whatever.

    Show me a person who claims to not hold any bigoted views about anyone and I will show you that this person is a liar, because everyone has different preferences.

    The issue of importance is NOT what a person’s preferences are, but rather, do they violate property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle.

    If a person acts within the reigns of property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle, they can hold ANY VIEWS, and still be in line with the libertarian philosophy, regardless of whether or not somebody else finds their views to be offensive.

    It would be great if enough real libertarians actually showed up to a Libertarian National Convention to delete this piece of leftist nonsense from the party’s platform. I would not have a problem if it were replaced by something like, “The Libertarian Party accepts people from all backgrounds who agree with and adhere to libertarian principles, namely, an adherence to property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle,” or if it were replaced with nothing.

    I would agree that it would not be good to have a person hold a position in the Libertarian Party who uses racial or ethnic slurs, but then again, any kind of name calling or verbal abuse can potentially be a negative. Use some common sense. Treat everyone with respect unless they have given you good reason to not do so.

  8. Andy

    “JT
    December 18, 2021 at 10:27
    Nathan, I’m pretty sure he just called you Paulie. And he may be right. Why have you avoided Andy’s challenge to record the two of you meeting up at the local motel or gay sauna, in Scranton, Reading, Jacksonville, or wherever, on his 8mm movie camera (even though he hasn’t bought one yet)?”

    I did NOT say to meet up at a motel, or a gay sauna. I in fact suggested that we meet up at a Libertarian Party meeting. If this “Nathan Norman” character is really in Scranton, PA, I am pretty sure that there is a Libertarian Party affiliate which has monthly meetings there, and if there is not an active group there, there has got to be one within a 1 hour radius of Scranton. If we were to meet up at a Libertarian Party meeting, and I don’t care if “Nathan Norman” is a libertarian or an LP member or not, there would be other witnesses there, and I could also video record the meeting, and post it online to YouTube and other platforms, and of course post it here to IPR.

    I want to see if “Nathan Norman” is for real or not. The fact that he’s been dodging my challenge sure makes him look like a fake.

  9. Andy

    “Nathan Norman
    December 18, 2021 at 14:45
    How much are you willing to pay me to do this?”

    Why do I have to pay you? Why can’t you just do it for free?

  10. Robert Milnes

    Let’s pay the person. A fair price. Some down upon arrival. Balance upon completion of transaction.
    In fiat currency or crypto or Confederate script if required.
    I have been trying to pin down paulie for years.

  11. Andy

    “Robert Milnes
    December 18, 2021 at 15:24
    Let’s pay the person. A fair price. Some down upon arrival. Balance upon completion of transaction.
    In fiat currency or crypto or Confederate script if required.”

    I would not pay him one penny unless he actually shows up in person and appears on video.

    How about this? If she shows up we pay for his meal, or maybe a drink? He’d have to appear on video to get it though.

  12. Robert Milnes

    And after that I say we go to Boulder, Colorado. Exhume the grave of Nancy McCusker Benson, PhD, my ex girlfriend.
    I say her earthly remains are not there. So, where is she?
    That mission would get high priority.
    Top priority would be to go to my father’s grave. In Harleigh Cemetery, Camden, NJ. In The Garden of Honor section. To see what is in there.
    Is it a very sophisticated mannequin or his earthy remains?
    If his earthly remains, full, reliable autopsy. Cause and manner of death, if you please.
    Did he die of sepsis in VA Hospital in Philadelphia as represented by the ZOG government?
    Or was he murdered by cause and manner unknown? To be determined, if you please.

  13. Andy

    “Robert Milnes
    December 18, 2021 at 16:12
    And after that I say we go to Boulder, Colorado. Exhume the grave of Nancy McCusker Benson, PhD, my ex girlfriend.”

    You can count me out on that one. If you livestream yourself doing it, I might watch it online, but no way I’d take part in that.

  14. Andy

    Robert Milnes said: “Top priority would be to go to my father’s grave. In Harleigh Cemetery, Camden, NJ. In The Garden of Honor section. To see what is in there.”

    The same thing here. I might watch you do it online if you livestreamed yourself doing it, but no way I’d take part in that.

  15. Nathan Norman

    The above is a perfect example of why I would not do this without proper compensation. JT knows Andy better than anyone here and he makes it sound like it is some sort of gay tryst, which I am not interested in. Milnes is talking about wanting to “pin down” people and dig up graves, which I am also not interested in. And then Andy here makes it seem like he expects some sort of date or something, which is fine but the price must be right.

  16. Andy

    “Nathan Norman
    December 18, 2021 at 16:28
    The above is a perfect example of why I would not do this without proper compensation. JT knows Andy better than anyone here and he makes it sound like it is some sort of gay tryst,”

    I’ve never met JT, nor do I know who JT is. It would not surprise me at all if JT is another fake name, and could very well be the same person posting as the “Nathan Norman” character.

    I have already appeared in public MANY times. I was just at a county LP meeting not very long ago. I was at the Libertarian National Conventions in 2000, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, and 2020 (including the in person portion of it in Orlando, where I got up on stage and spoke).

    I can be seen in multiple videos posted on YouTube, and lots of people in these political circles have met me in person.

    Who in the heck are you? You are apparently afraid to come out from hiding. Every time I invite you to come out of hiding, you either ignore it, or come up with lame excuses.

  17. Nathan Norman

    You invited me only one time that I am aware of. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I am willing to meet with you and do what you’d like (nothing sexual) but I won’t do it for free. A meeting would put me at risk of assault from yourself and/or others. You may be my fan but remember John Lennon was killed by one of his fans. You have a history of assault and stalking. I just read on this site about an incident involving you assaulting and stalking an ex-boyfriend named Gary. I read about another incident where you stalked “a young woman in Tennessee.” Another where you stalked and harassed someone named Christy. Again, I am willing to take the risk and meet you if I am paid. Plus, my time is money.

  18. Robert Milnes

    Hey, Hey.
    I am the one with the ex con prison juice.
    I did a nickel then maxed out of federal prison.
    For 18 USC Section 876.
    Then they were considering me for 18 USC Section 4246.
    But they did not follow through on that.
    Tom Knapp,
    Didn’t you have some recent deaths in the family?
    Maybe you should dig up a couple of graves.
    And I also have my doubts about David Nolan and Dr. Marc Feldman.
    Wait, maybe not. IIRC paulie copped to a pretty good prison record.

  19. Andy

    “Nathan Norman
    December 18, 2021 at 19:58
    You invited me only one time that I am aware of. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I am willing to meet with you and do what you’d like (nothing sexual) but I won’t do it for free. A meeting would put me at risk of assault from yourself and/or others. You may be my fan but remember John Lennon was killed by one of his fans. You have a history of assault and stalking. I just read on this site about an incident involving you assaulting and stalking an ex-boyfriend named Gary. I read about another incident where you stalked “a young woman in Tennessee.” Another where you stalked and harassed someone named Christy. Again, I am willing to take the risk and meet you if I am paid. Plus, my time is money.”

    Wow. You have obviously been trolling here for a LONG time. You are bringing up old lies and wildly exaggerated stories in an attempt to smear me. This is debunked stuff from over 11 years ago.

    All of this is just a big smokescreen excuse because YOU are a FRAUD. I don’t think that your real name is “Nathan Norman”. I suspect you have been paid to spy on and troll at this site and ballot access news, and maybe some others, for a long time.

    One of my top suspects for who you really are is a FORMER STATE CHAIRMAN of a Libertarian Party affiliate who used to post here under your real name a long time ago. If you are this person, then I’ve sat across the a diner table from you.

    Regardless of whether you are that person or not, I don’t think that you who you say you are.

    Stop making excuses. Either come out from hiding, or NEVER post here or on Ballot Access News ever again.

  20. Nathan Norman

    I did my research and read about what’s being said. I didn’t know about any of these allegations until earlier today when I read them. Whether the allegations are true or not really doesn’t matter. Perception is reality. Meeting with you involves risk. I am willing to take that risk for a fee. I am willing to give you some of my time for a fee. The only impediment to this meeting is your willingness to pay. Give me a figure.

  21. Andy

    “Nathan Norman
    December 19, 2021 at 01:05
    I did my research and read about what’s being said. I didn’t know about any of these allegations until earlier today when I read them. Whether the allegations are true or not really doesn’t matter. Perception is reality. Meeting with you involves risk. I am willing to take that risk for a fee. I am willing to give you some of my time for a fee. The only impediment to this meeting is your willingness to pay. Give me a figure.”

    You did your research. LOL!!! You were here trolling back then. No need to research when you were either here at the time, or you have it in spy files.

    There’s no risk involved. I went to an LP county meeting not too long ago. All of the people who were at that meeting lived to tell about it.

  22. Nathan Norman

    I did not troll this site in 2009 or 2010. I first commented here as “Concerned Citizen” and “Concerned Libertarian Citizen” sometime in 2012. If I commented here before that how would it benefit me to hide it now?

  23. Robert Milnes

    Andy, you were banned from IPR three years ago?
    In 2009 you were being trolled/spied on?
    What were you doing or saying in this period that would get you trolled/spied on, banned?
    One issue was the open borders in America/closed borders/apartheid Israel hypocrisy issue.
    I think we are failing to find out who Nathan Norman is definitively.
    I think he is paulie, along with William S. Saturn, but I can’t prove it.

  24. Andy

    “Nathan Norman
    December 19, 2021 at 02:24
    I did not troll this site in 2009 or 2010. I first commented here as “Concerned Citizen” and “Concerned Libertarian Citizen” sometime in 2012. If I commented here before that how would it benefit me to hide it now?”

    You were either reading the site back then, or perhaps you posted under a different fake name, and/or under your own real name back then.

  25. Andy

    “Robert Milnes
    December 19, 2021 at 02:31
    Andy, you were banned from IPR three years ago?
    In 2009 you were being trolled/spied on?
    What were you doing or saying in this period that would get you trolled/spied on, banned?
    One issue was the open borders in America/closed borders/apartheid Israel hypocrisy issue.”

    I suspect that I have been spied upon, and trolled, for a long time, before IPR even came into existence. I first got involved in liberty activism in 1996, and I became a hardcore activist, so I probably popped up on the government’s radar a long time ago.

    “I think we are failing to find out who Nathan Norman is definitively.”

    It may take a Freedom Of Information Act Request, or a lawsuit, to find out who he is. I already have some suspects.

    “I think he is paulie, along with William S. Saturn, but I can’t prove it.”

    I don’t think it is Paul. We know that Paul has trolled here and on Ballot Access News, and probably some other places, but I don’t think he is “Nathan Norman”. William Saturn is a bit more mysterious, but I doubt he is the “Nathan Norman” character either.

  26. Robert Milnes

    Andy,
    Funny thing is paulie was the best by far at figuring out the true IP/anonymizer identities were.
    Seemed he went from IPR to BAN then I figure back here.
    I think Richard complained about the garbage and gaslight comments trashing his blog.
    BTW, thank you for complaining about it in BAN comments. Richard reads them, I’m sure.
    Somebody (Mossad) got the message and he left BAN, came here.
    My hope is that people will see what is going on and resist, rebel, revolt.
    I for one, am ready for revolt. IPR people not so much. JT seemed a little concerned anyway.
    I think some of the top US generals are getting rattled also.
    They know how crazy the Zionists are. And that Israel has at least 200 nuclear weapons.

  27. Joseph Buchman

    A number of comments *wildly* off the topic of the post, have been deleted.

    Specifically comments regarding one’s claimed perceptions of others’ sexual orientation(s) are unlikely to be relevant to a majority of IPR readers.

    No one is here to monitor every post, delete things in real time, or play playground cop, so in the interest of building IPR readership as it relates to the activities of political parties (excluding Republicans and Democrats in the USA):

    Take that kind of childish crap somewhere else, please.

  28. Nathan Norman

    It should be noted that JT threw the monkey wrench into this discussion. Not me, Andy, nor Milnes.

    Tom Knapp’s name has been invoked multiple times here. Where is he? Why isn’t he responding to us and taking part in the discussion of his article?

  29. Nathan Norman

    I am not JT. I believe JT is paulie who posted outrageous things hoping we’d take the bait and get ourselves banned from the site. I have no interest in doing this and so I am trying to return to the topic of this article.

  30. Robert Milnes

    Wow! I catch some zzzzs and missed JT posting some stuff that got him banned?
    By Buchman?
    I agree with NN. It is remarkable we ALL didn’t get banned AND ALL the comments.
    Except those by Tom Knapp…If he had made any!
    I must say, this is maddening!
    I think we need Tom’s Disqus suggestion.
    BTW, Get vaccinated!

  31. Robert Milnes

    Austin,
    Just an idea.
    And if you can explain to me in simple terms, how did paulie find out commenters” info? IP, name etc? I would appreciate it.
    How about if people had to furnish Real ID info before commenting?
    Because if you have everyone’s info, most of the comments on this thread could have been not needed.
    Bob, Andy, Nathan’s name is…so and so.
    Or, Bob, you suspect Nathan’s real name is so and so. No, nice guess.
    But at least YOU would know.
    Is this a good or bad idea?

  32. Robert Milnes

    Thomas Knapp is the only person besides me, unless such info was gleaned from surveillance, that knows full well that whatever happened to David Nolan happened at about the time I had asked him to put me in touch with him.
    And I think, and Tom can answer this, that he was considering it and was relenting to my repeated requests.
    I was quite psyched up about possibly discussing these ideas with him when all of a sudden… whoah, What?Nolan died? Some sort of traffic accident?
    DAMN!

  33. JT

    Joseph Buchman: “A number of comments *wildly* off the topic of the post, have been deleted.

    Specifically comments regarding one’s claimed perceptions of others’ sexual orientation(s) are unlikely to be relevant to a majority of IPR readers.”

    If they were wildly off the topic off the post, so were the comments I was replying to. You exhibit a bizarre double standard in deciding what was or wasn’t relevant. Other comments about claimed or perceived sexual orientation remain, as do baseless false claims about my supposed identity and motives, among others. Given such inconsistent and arbitrary standards, I’ll leave you all in peace, after this point. Whatever rules you have should be clearly and prominently posted and consistently enforced, which is far from what I observed here. If you are sincere in your stated desire to build your readership, you should consider acting a bit less capriciously, perhaps. Good luck with building your readership. All I can say for certain is that you are reducing it by one after today.

    Nathan Norman: “All you missed were some garbage posts from JT.”

    If my comments were “garbage,” so were the ones I was replying to.

    Robert Milnes: ” It is remarkable we ALL didn’t get banned AND ALL the comments.”

    Yes, it’s remarkable that given the comments that were not taken down, that mine were.

    It’s your website, not mine, so do whatever you want, but I’ll take Mr. Buchman’s suggestion, and take it somewhere else. Aside from my suggestion for clearly posted rules, consistently applied, my only other request is that you remove my remaining comments as well. Good luck going forward. I’m deleting you from my bookmarks as well.

  34. Tony From Long Island

    I am a Liberal who has bought $20 worth of $ETH each week for about a year. I have noticed that a LOT of ultra right-wingers are into Crypto.

    My entire reason for investing in Crypto is future profits. I care zero for it’s decentralized nature or lack of regulation.

  35. Robert Milnes

    This person has a point. And I can relate to being censored and/or banned. It does not feel good.
    IPR comments often go off topic. I used to poke fun at Knapp and Capozzi and their often long and winding roads of comments.
    How many libertarians can dance on the head of a pin? LOL?
    FYI, I was unable to comment upon waking up until I tried and succeeded with Did I miss something? I guess I was blocked then unblocked.

  36. Andy

    “Robert Milnes
    December 19, 2021 at 20:57
    Austin,
    Just an idea.
    And if you can explain to me in simple terms, how did paulie find out commenters” info? IP, name etc? I would appreciate it.”

    IPR has a dashboard that only can be viewed by official IPR article posters. The dashboard shows the IP addresses of IPR comment posters.

    I was signed up here as an IPR article poster at one time, and during that time period, I could view the IPR dashboard. This was how I caught Paul trolling here under fake name. We were both staying at the same motel in Arkansas, but in different rooms, and I noticed that there were several troll posts under different names that were coming from the same IP address as the motel where we were both staying.

    Coincidentally, my IPR article posting status got downgraded not too long after this, to where I could no longer view the IPR dashboard.

    A few months later, my IPR article posting status got downgraded again, after an idiotic controversy where I posted a video of Austin Petersen appearing on Infowars and being interviewed by Owen Shroyer about his Republican run for US Senate. I thought that it was newsworthy, given Austin’s recent past affiliation with the Libertarian Party. I did not post an explanation as to why this video was relevant to IPR along with the video because I thought that it should have been clearly apparent to IPR readers, and because Owen Shroyer asked Austin Petersen about why he left the Libertarian Party around 2-3 minutes into the video. I was attacked for this by Paul and Tony From Long Island. I responded by stating why I did not think it was necessary to post an explanation, but they within a couple of days I came back and posted an explanation anyway. Well, apparently, this was not good enough, because my article posting status got downgraded again to where my articles had to wait for somebody else to approve them before they could get posted.

    Incidentally, I did a search through IPR archives, and I found that between 2008 and 2017, when the Austin Petersen video incident happened, that Austin Petersen had been mentioned in a bunch of IPR articles. I think I counted 67 of them, and this does not include all of the comment threads where his name had been mentioned here. So it was not like he was some fringe figure that nobody in minor party circles would not have heard of.

  37. Robert Milnes

    Andy,
    Yes, I remember Austin Petersen. A LOT of publicity in IPR.
    I wondered about this. Austin and others at IPR then know, or can fairly easily find out, a poster’s IP, ID etc?
    Well then somebody knows the ID of William Saturn and Nathan Norman and other so called anonymous posters. Likewise they know your and my ID by now.
    So who is laughing at us all throughout this thread?

  38. Robert Milnes

    Tony from Long Island mentions above that he is a liberal, not a libertarian or rightist ultra.
    His involvement in crypto is limited and purely for profit.
    I was going to respond to his comment. I did not intend to be as flippant with him as he may have taken it.
    Good riddance. Well, no. Sorry to see you leave. IPR needs diversity.

  39. Robert Milnes

    So is William Saturn connected to Quantico supercomputers or Tel Aviv supercomputers? Or both?
    Well then when I called for the US Military to take over the government, just about everybody who is anybody knows exactly where I stand. Figuratively and literally.
    No wonder the military is concerned about global warming. More than Congress. And Joe Manchin. All those navy ports and shipyards. The Pentagon itself is in a pretty low lying spot.
    Cheyenne Mountain does not have a sea water level problem. But maybe some others.

  40. Robert Milnes

    Well I kind of suspected they could have killed me if they wanted to long ago.
    Hey guys, how about creating a nuclear winter? The Last Glacial Maximum lowered the sea level by 300-400 feet.
    Oh. Nevermind.

  41. Jared

    I see a lot of people getting into crypto as a speculative investment rather than as an alternative medium of exchange. How many people think of and use Bitcoin as actual money?

  42. Andy

    Bitcoin has become more like gold is, as in a store of value, rather than currency for regular transactions. Bitcoin is too slow for regular daily life transaction. There are other cryptocurrencies which are much faster than Bitcoin, and better suited for that purpose.

    Most people do not know this, but there are over 6,000 cryptocurrencies now. Most of them will never really go anywhere though.

  43. NewFederalist

    “I used to poke fun at Knapp and Capozzi and their often long and winding roads of comments.” – Robert Milnes

    I had forgotten about Robert Capozzi. I wonder what ever happened to him.

  44. George Phillies

    If certain factions, not here, keep calling people ‘racist’ when they are not, eventually they will succeed — in convincing large numbers of people that racists are good.

    Unintended consequence.

  45. Jared

    I can’t think of a quicker way to normalize racial bigotry and cultivate sympathy for the far right than by dilluting the meaning of “racism” so that anyone who isn’t either a BLM activist or on board with a soft totalitarian progressive social agenda qualifies as a white supremacist. If you don’t want normal people associating and identifying with racists—here’s a thought—stop associating and identifying normal people with racists.

  46. SocraticGadfly

    I am actually waiting for Beijing to hack every cryptocurrency and punk L/libertarians, racist or not, all the way to the bank.

  47. a@b

    If Chinese cryptology is that advanced, they’d hack a lot more than just cryptocurrency, and we would all have a lot bigger problems than crypto, racists or libertarians.

  48. Tony From Long Island

    Robert:

    Just to clarify . . . I was a dues paying member of the libertarian party from when was around 18 until maybe 30.

    I am a liberal now, but not a leftist and not as left as the progressives. I have been posting on here since maybe around 2016 or so. The only person I have every really had a problem with is Andy (anyone surprised???).

    I will be posting less often because Andy is a crazy person and he should have stayed banned. Oh well. Even this thread about cryptocurrency is fouled by his irrelevant nonsense.

    To add something on topic, I use Robinhood to buy $ETH and Coinbase to dabble in others. I have limited income to a only buy a little at a time but I have made a nice profit on the $ETH in just one year (around 60%). I expect that to keep growing.

    As I said, I am looking solely for profits. I don’t really forsee a time I will have a practical use for any cryptocurrency, but obviously society evolves and maybe I will.

  49. Andy

    Tony From Long Island, as a Democrat, why do you have any interest in this site? This is a site that is about minor parties and independent candidates. The Democratic Party is a major party. So why are you here?

  50. L. E. Funt

    I’m not Tony, but I’m in a similar situation as someone who is currently a Republican but has been a third party supporter for much of my life. I would have gone third party again as recently as earlier this year, when there was a lot of talk about President Trump and Trump supporters being pushed out of the GOP and starting a Patriot Party. It did not work out that way, but who knows what the future might hold? I think we need to keep those options open in case we need them.

    Regarding cryptocurrency; if you look at it purely as an investment, I’d recommend against it unless you have the stomach to withstand large losses and hang on for years until it rises again. In terms of using it as currency for everyday transactions, there are a number of options such as cards which you can load with crypto and spend as widely accepted national currency, including the US dollar. El Salvador has mandated that businesses accept bitcoin as payment, and they’re using a lightning network to hold down transfer times and fees to something businesses can live with for everyday transactions. I don’t know whether that network is available in the United States or not, or how well it has worked out in El Salvador so far.

    Cryptocurrencies are accepted for online payment at a growing number of sites, and a growing number of goods are being ordered online as opposed to traditional brick and mortar retail. They’re also useful in countries where inflation is very high and the national currency becomes unreliable. Turkey is a current example, and there have been others. Some crypto enthusiasts predict that all national currencies will head in that direction, perhaps soon. Currently US inflation is at the highest level in 40 years, so it’s at least possible. It may be useful to accumulate crypto as a contingency in case that happens – if you can afford to hang on for years at a time when it dips to, say, a fifth of the all time high in dollar terms, with no guarantee of if or when it will rise again.

    So called “racists” find them useful to help conceal their sources of funding and transactions/spending, but that’s true of other people as well, for example marijuana businesses which are legal in their states but illegal under federal law and denied traditional business banking services. There are other examples. Of course, criminals of all sorts, terrorists, people seeking to conceal otherwise legal income from taxes, etc, find it useful for similar reasons. Thus, expect ever growing attempts to disrupt such attempts and activities by national governments as crypto use and value increases. It’s an “arms race” between those who seek to conceal themselves from being tracked, for whatever reason, and those whose job it is to track them. This also applies to national governments which face trade sanctions from other, wealthier nations. They might simultaneously seek to “launder” their money abroad through crypto transactions, while cracking down on their own criminals, dissidents, and tax evaders using crypto at home.

    New cryptos and second layer solutions with fast payment /exchange times and low fees are being developed, so those practical problems might be solved before too long. On the other hand, new laws and increased enforcement are also being adopted all the time. Trying to use crypto to evade government laws could set you up for big penalties or jail time when governments crack down on your means for doing so. If you’re not a big risk taker, you’ll want to use above board crypto exchanges, pay taxes on your profits, and comply with other applicable laws. But then, if you’re not a big risk taker, you probably have little or nothing to do with crypto at this stage in its development, or you’re new to crypto investment and have not been involved in it through down years and past crashes, in which case you’ll probably end up cashing out at a big loss . That brings up another use of crypto – it’s essentially online gambling, and more legal than other forms of online gambling. At the same time, if you have the stomach and can afford to hang on through big crashes and down years, it can be a lot more profitable than traditional investments.

    Finally, regarding “racists” or “white supremacists,” I agree with everyone above who said the terms are so widely overused now that they are meaningless. Anyone who supports controlling our borders and not being flooded with third world immigrants, or even opposes widespread election fraud and corruption, or the wholesale export of our jobs overseas, or law and order on our streets, or does not support “reparations” in the forms of welfare, quotas, “reverse” discrimination, among other things, is a “racist” and “white supremacist” these days. Prepare to be called those names if you think there’s anything admirable or worth saving from the USA’s founding and early national history, or from Western Civilization as a whole. No wonder so many people laugh off or embrace those labels in defiance of “woke,” PC cancel culture insanity.

  51. Andy

    If you scroll up, I made several comments about the article from Tom Knapp that started the thread.

  52. Andy

    Robert, Tony From Long Island has not been a Libertarian in a long time, and he abandoned the philosophy, and displays a nasty attitude toward libertarians. He will probably claim it is just me, but it is not just me. It is pretty obvious that he holds disdain for all libertarians, maybe some less than others, but his general hostility toward libertarians is pretty obvious.

    I used to be an elementary school student, but I do not hang around elementary schools, or frequently engage in discussions about elementary schools, or torment people who are in elementary school. I graduated from elementary school and moved on with life.

    Tony From Long Island has moved on from the Libertarian Party and libertarianism in general, and since he is a Democrat now, he does not support any other minor parties or independent candidates, so he should move on from Independent Political Report.

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