Larry Sharpe Announces Run for Governor of New York

28 thoughts on “Larry Sharpe Announces Run for Governor of New York

  1. Aiden James

    Kind of dumb to at least not consider fusion with other third-parties. I can understand no fusion with Repub or Dem…. but seriously not the independence party?

  2. dL

    Well, I would disagree that he needs a failed run for governor to enhance his presidential ticket gravitas…

  3. Tony From Long Island

    I kept saying . . . .get . . .to . . . the . . . point . . . . He spoke too much about himself. I’m 9 minutes in and just heard his first policy issue . . .sorta . . .

    Also, it’s just dumb not to seek the independence party line in New York, no to mention that they can choose him for their line whether he likes it or not.

    Twice so far he has said “our nation . . err Our state . . .”

    I really despise hyperbole by ANY person running for office. . . I was actually listening to him until he started talking about “King Andrew . . . ” Very lame . . .

    He’s talking about prison system in NY being embarrassing under Cuomo, but during Cuomo’s administration, the inmate population has declined substantially and he has closed around a dozen prisons.

    12 minutes was enough . . . I have work to do. Can’t say I won’t vote for him yet, but I’ve been drifting from Libertarianism for quite a while as many of you know . . . Cuomo is going to be re-elected with probably around 60%. I do think Mr. Sharpe can make a dent,. he is a pretty good speaker

  4. Richard Winger

    If a main goal is to finally get Libertarian Party status as a qualified party in New York, it would be a big mistake to have Larry on some other party’s ticket as well. In 2016 most voters who voted for Gary Johnson in New York voted for him on the Independence Party line, not the Libertarian line. Presidential votes don’t count for party status in New York, so that was no big deal, but for Governor it is a big deal.

    Gary Johnson got 119,156 votes as the Independence Party nominee and 57,442 as the Libertarian nominee. If the Independence Party had not nominated Gary Johnson, probably most of the people who voted for him on the Independence line would have instead voted for him on the Libertarian line.

  5. paulie

    Kind of dumb to at least not consider fusion with other third-parties. I can understand no fusion with Repub or Dem…. but seriously not the independence party?

    It’s actually very smart. The purpose is to get 50,000 votes or more and retain ballot access in NY for the LP for the first time ever. Fusion would spread whatever votes he gets between different parties and decrease the chances of getting 50,000 votes on the LP line.

  6. paulie

    Well, I would disagree that he needs a failed run for governor to enhance his presidential ticket gravitas…

    Becoming the first LP candidate for Governor of NY to earn the party ballot access retention would.

  7. Tony From Long Island

    Paulie:

    It’s actually very smart. The purpose is to get 50,000 votes or more and retain ballot access in NY for the LP for the first time ever. Fusion would spread whatever votes he gets between different parties and decrease the chances of getting 50,000 votes on the LP line.

    Very good point. If that is the ultimate goal, you are correct.

    Richard Winger:

    Gary Johnson got 119,156 votes as the Independence Party nominee and 57,442 as the Libertarian nominee. If the Independence Party had not nominated Gary Johnson, probably most of the people who voted for him on the Independence line would have instead voted for him on the Libertarian line.

    I accidentally voted for Gov. Johnson on the independence line. I didn’t realize it until I was about to slip the ballot into the scantron thing. Too late to fix 🙁

  8. Anthony Dlugos

    The best part of this will be the inevitable disappointment of the Purist set when he opens his mouth on policy issues.

  9. Anthony Dlugos

    ah, well, I actually consider you one of the more grounded purists I’ve come across. Others are…more starry-eyed.

  10. Aiden James

    Sorry guys, but the LP isn’t getting anywhere close to 50,000 in NY regardless of who’s on the ticket…. Going fusion actually may present a chance at presenting a well executed campaign to the entire state without being completely discounted out of hand because of the LP label (which most people just reject…. it’s not a lack of messaging. lack of money, or lack of reach, it’s a lack of trust and belief in the LP brand).

    The LP isn’t going anywhere anytime soon until you fundamentally change the brand and push the brand to the entire country in ONE UNIFIED cohesive message. As of right now, the goal should be to build personal brand recognition and keep affiliating the name with the LP.

    People have a preconceived notion in their head of what a libertarian is because of the media’s relentless smear campaigns. The word, and thus the brand, has fundamentally lost any useful meaning. If the LP wants a chance they need to hire a brand manager and a dedicated marketing team….. Treat it like a business. Small/New businesses don’t throw a bunch of shit at the wall see what sticks (that’s what the LP is doing). They create a simple product that can be mass produced easily, and dedicate ALL their time getting that one product right and marketing the hell out of that ONE product. The LP’s one product to building brand awareness and trust should be choosing one level of government; that being the lowest level partisan races you can get into…. County elections.

  11. paulie

    Sorry guys, but the LP isn’t getting anywhere close to 50,000 in NY regardless of who’s on the ticket…

    Why not? We got very close in 2010.

  12. Anthony Dlugos

    although I do agree with this:

    “…t’s a lack of trust and belief in the LP brand.

    The LP isn’t going anywhere anytime soon until you fundamentally change the brand…”

  13. Andy

    Warren Redlich came within about 500 votes of getting 50,000 in 2010, and he likely would have received more than that if Roger Stone and company had not sabotaged him.

    I think that Larry Sharpe has a legitimate chance of smashing the 50,000 vote barrier. I do not think that he has a realistic shot at winning, but I do think that he could do well by LP standards in gubernatorial races.

  14. George Phillies

    The reason Republican trolls are pushing us to go after county and local positions is they think we are causing their worthless candidates to lose. The minor detail that exit polling typically does not generally support this belief does not disturb most Republicans, because their attachment to reality is a bit strained.

    The correct solution was worked out many decades by a distinguished politician of another party: The correct answer is to fill the ballot, with a candidate on every line.

  15. Gene Berkman

    As noted, Gary Johnson received 57,442 votes on the Libertarian ticket. This proves that it si possible to get more than 50,000 votes on the Libertarian ticket in New York. It also proves that is it possible to do it even in competition with the Independence Party line for voters.

    The Independence Party nomination can raise the visibility of the Libertarian candidate, in New York and in the nation-wide third party blogosphere. I doubt that Gary Johnson took as much advantage of the IP nomination as he could have, but it would certainly benefit a New York state LP candidate.

    Historically, Libertarian Party candidates have received more than 50,000 votes twice. Ed Clark received more than 52,000 votes in New York State in his 1980 bid for President. In 1992, Norma Segal received 108,530 votes for U.S. Senate as the Libertarian candidate against Alphonse D’Amato.

  16. langa

    Good luck to Sharpe. I hope he gets the 50,000 to secure ballot access for LPNY.

    Having said that, I highly doubt I could support him if he tries to get on the presidential ticket in 2020. His backlash against Arvin Vohra really lowered my opinion of him. One thing I can’t stand is a military idolater.

  17. Darcy G Richardson

    In the video, Larry Sharpe says he would never ask somebody to do what he wasn’t willing to do himself.

    Sorry, but this really has an Allen Hacker and Ron Nielson feel about it…asking Libertarian donors to chip in a million dollars this year and $5 million in 2018, especially coming from somebody who apparently has only made one contribution to a political candidate in his lifetime — a $300 contribution to Alex Merced’s U.S. Senate candidacy in New York late last August, according to the Federal Election Commission — is a bit over the top.

    According to the New York State Board of Elections, Sharpe, a political neophyte claiming he can show everybody what a successful campaign looks like, also made a couple of small donations to the Libertarian Party of New York in late 2014 — a couple of $25 contributions — and, according to the FEC, made several contributions to the LNC clustered around his own vice-presidential candidacy last year, all apparently out of self-interest, but it doesn’t appear that he’s ever dug into his own pocket to fund any other candidates, Libertarian or otherwise.

    I can spot them a mile away, and this guy is all about himself.

    Surely, there will be other worthy Libertarian candidates in next year’s mid-term elections.

    Hell, there’s one right now: IPR’s own Joe Buchman, who’s running in Utah’s widely-watched third congressional district special election — a guy twice as humble, knowledgeable and articulate as Sharpe and possessing a record of far more activism on behalf of the Libertarian Party.

  18. Andy

    Darcy G. Richardson said: “asking Libertarian donors to chip in a million dollars this year and $5 million in 2018,”

    This is nowhere near what it would take to win the New York gubernatorial race.

    Mr. Sharpe do a lot of get a libertarian message out with that much money, and he’d probably get a lot more votes than a Libertarian Party candidate for Governor has ever received with that much money, but if he is really running to win, he’ll need a lot more money than that.

  19. Andy

    “Mr. Sharpe do a lot of get a libertarian message out”

    Should read, “Mr. Sharpe could do a lot of things to get a libertarian message out…”

  20. Andy

    “get a lot more votes than a Libertarian Party candidate for Governor has ever received with that much money,”

    I should rephrase this by saying that he’d almost certainly get more votes than a Libertarian Party candidate for Governor has ever received with $5 or $6 million, but given the dynamics of the every changing political landscape, especially when comparing the political landscapes in different states and different elections, he may or may not get as high a percent of the vote as a few Libertarians received in past gubernatorial races in other states. I recall that the LP has received around 10% of the vote in gubernatorial races in Alaska and Wisconsin, and maybe in one or two other places. If Sharpe raises $5-$6 million, it is possible he could do this or better, but given that New York usually has multiple minor party and independent candidates for Governor, and given that the LP has not done that well in New York in terms of vote percentages, it is not a given.

  21. Anthony Dlugos

    Tony From Long Island,

    “I really despise hyperbole by ANY person running for office.”

    Me too.

    You know, it’s too bad that the Chair is not a paid position. This is not an attack on our current Chair, nor is it an attack on Mr. Sharpe’s run for governor, but I think he would make a great Chair, at least from the perspective of a spokesperson for the Party.

  22. Eric Sundwall

    A few thoughts . . .

    1. Mr. Sharpe is the first to announce and there seems to be a corresponding enthusiasm among many individuals on social media. He is not the nominee, yet. The LPNY will always have a penchant for the possibility of a celebrity making a last minute bid (ie Stern ’94 & Weld ’06). I’m aware of at least one other possibility in 2018.

    2. The LPNY missed the magic 50K by 1,641 in 2010. A combination of media savvy, debate performances and strategic ad placements in specific upstate demographics were likely responsible.

    3. We also worked closely with the Greens regarding opening the debates to all candidates who qualified for the ballot. That phenomena continued in 2014. The LPNY has a good chance to be on the stage in 2018 with Cuomo still in office. No comment on the 2014 LPNY performance.

    4. In 2002, Tom Golisano was estimated to have spent $60 million on his bid on the Independence Party line. He secured 14% of the vote.

    5. In 2010 Cuomo grabbed 146K on the Independence line. Hawkins got 60K, Redlich 48K, McMillan got 41K, Paladino got 25K on the “Taxpayers” line, Baron got 24K & Davis 20K. There’s approximately 200K votes in NY up for “other” grabs.

    6. The Johnson campaign had to sign off on the Independence nomination in 2016. Every candidate has to sign an acceptance form and submit it.

    There’s no magic bullet of competence, experience or message in NY. Each campaign, in each cycle has to judge their capacities, goals and opportunities as they occur. That being said, I’ll always wish the LPNY luck and will collect signatures when the time comes.

  23. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    July 20, 2017 at 13:11
    The best part of this will be the inevitable disappointment of the Purist set when he opens his mouth on policy issues.”

    I’ve been wondering about this, that is just “how libertarian” is Larry Sharpe? I heard him speak at the national convention last year, and I a couple of brief conversations with him, and he impressed me. I went to the convention not knowing who to vote for in the VP race (except for NOT voting for Bill Weld). I had been considering voting for None Of The Above for VP. After watching the debates, two candidates stood out to me, Larry Sharpe and Will Coley. I had a difficult time deciding who to vote for between the two of them on the first ballot, but I decided to vote for Coley because he aggressively attacked Weld on his weak stance on gun rights, and because he publicly stated that people should be able to own so called “assault rifles” so they can defend themselves against tyrants in government. I was really impressed with Sharpe though, and if it had not been for the way that Coley attacked Weld (I like aggressiveness in a candidate), I might have vote for Sharpe on the first ballot.

    When it came to the 2nd ballot, I did vote for Sharpe, and I felt so strongly that Sharpe should have been nominated over Weld that I attempted to sway the opinion of other delegates to vote for Sharpe.

    I have watched a bunch of Sharpe’s videos post convention, and I agree with him for the most part (I leaned more towards Arvin Vhora’s side in their debate over people in the military, but I can see where Sharpe was coming from, and I do not hold this against him, especially since he and Arvin have apparently come to terms), and I think that he’s a really good communicator.

    The fact that Sharpe came into the Libertarian Party after hearing Gary Johnson in 2012 does still concern me. I was never on the Gary Johnson bandwagon, but I will say that the Gary Johnson of 2012 did not sound as bad as the Gary Johnson of 2016 (I think his true colors really came out in 2016 because he knew he was not going to run for President again after that).

    Sharpe sounds like he is more libertarian than Gary Johnson, and he is certainly a lot more libertarian than Bill Weld.

    Just because Sharpe first heard about the Libertarian from Gary Johnson in 2012, and this is what caused him to look into the Libertarian Party, and just because I consider Gary Johnson to be a poor example of a libertarian (and I would argue that he’s not even a libertarian, although this was less apparent in 2012 than it was in 2016), it does not automatically mean that Sharpe is a poor example of a libertarian. Sharpe could have heard Gary Johnson in 2012, investigated the party and the philosophy, and then ended up being more libertarian than Gary Johnson.

    Is Sharpe “libertarian enough” for me?

    As far as I can tell so far, he is.

    Sharpe appears to be a guy who does in fact support radical libertarianism, but he also sounds like somebody who would take incremental steps to get there.

    I am generally in favor of incrementalism as long as it goes in the right direction.

    Contrary to what some here may believe, I do not think that every candidate has to be really radical (by libertarian standards), nor do I think that every candidate has to agree with me on every detail of everything. I’m not a “throw the baby out with the bathwater” guy. I have been involved with politics for over 21 years now, and I have yet to see a perfect candidate, and I doubt that such a person exists. The rare occasions when I have not supported a Libertarian Party candidate (such as my lack of support for the party’s last 3 presidential tickets), it has been due to what I consider to be multiple infractions, some serious. If I nitpicked candidates then I probably wouldn’t support anybody, since I have yet to see a perfect candidate. if I don’t support a Libertarian Party candidate, it is for good reasons (and it has not happened that many times).

    So I will support Mr. Sharpe in his quest to become Governor of New York until he gives me a reason to not support him, and he has not given me a reason to not support him so far.

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