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LPNY Chair Sundwall to national LP: if Keaton is suspended, potential secession of affiliates may be ‘reasonable and with proper cause’

In an open letter to the LNC, LPNY chair Eric Sundwall says

In my estimation this is an internal political pogrom whose results may render the very fabric of our enterprise inoperable or at the very least permanently unpalatable to a large segment of membership. If we cannot function with a general transparency and proceed to render verdict or judgment without reasonable due process, I would consider such resolutions as necessary for potential secession of affiliates as reasonable and with proper cause. If a duly elected official from a body at large is castigated, maligned and subsequently removed without proper recourse or representation, perhaps the real injury and purpose of such ‘political’ alignment, merits deep review and consideration by all those involved.

H/T: George Donnelly

See also:

Massachusetts LP passes resolution supporting Keaton

Florida LP passes resolution to LNC to remove Keaton discipline discussion from meeting agenda

Outright Libertarians: ‘The only openly LGBT member of Libertarian National Committee needs your help’

Tennessee LP passes resolution against LNC’s proposed Keaton suspension

Mike Seebeck: Georgia LP passes resolution against LNC’s proposed Keaton suspension

LNC resolution of discipline for Angela Keaton

Stephen Meier: Open letter to the LNC

LNC meeting agenda

Next Free Voice: Video montage for LNC in Sandy Eggo

LNC resolution for the suspension of Bill Redpath

Professional parliamentarians interpret rules on suspending and removing LNC members

LNC Meeting agenda change

LNC attorney Bill Hall is tired of in-fighting and second guessing of his opinions

Brian Miller dishes Libertarian Party dirt

George Phillies: In Defense of Angela Keaton

Nevada LP passes resolution against LNC’s proposed Keaton suspension

Stewart Flood: Supporting evidence for LNC resolution of discipline for Angela Keaton

LNC Live Video

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  1. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 8, 2008

    Or as my ex (who is considerably smaller than Angela, and grew up physically fighting off big burly outlaw bikers and packs thereof) told me, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

    I survived two of her attempts to end my existence in this corporal sphere, however – one by car, one by broken whiskey bottle 😛

  2. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 8, 2008

    Well, LOL. Stewart was/is not concerned about Angela personally beating his ass. Although a small woman can be quite effective with a weapon, some martial arts training, or even an old fashioned sucker punch.

    I think he was (or is) more afraid of a contract hit.

  3. JimDavidson JimDavidson December 8, 2008

    @24 Flood has Peter Griffin’s IQ.

  4. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck December 8, 2008

    Flood’s only personal safety concern is him coming close to busting a vein when he almost lost it yesterday in his presentation. The LP’s answer to Peter Griffin is about 6’4″, 300#, and he’s threatened by 5′ 1″ 110# (guessed) of The Keaton? I believe a four-letter word for Flood is appropriate: WUSS.

    And I say that having been the keeper of the Keaton flogger yesterday! 🙂

  5. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 6, 2008

    In some states that would mean having to do a lot of work to get on the ballot from scratch.

  6. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson December 6, 2008

    If the state parties dissafliate thay can keep the name Libertarian with only a minor change necessary. Perhaps the addition of the word Democracy as in the Libertarian Democracy Party, or some such revision. It is a free speech issue and there is more than one socialist party in the country.

    MW

  7. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 6, 2008

    As I understood it, “further supported” refers to Stewart going through the evidence in the form of a presentation and answering questions. He did not make any indication in our phone conversations that he is going to present anything other than what is in his report.

  8. Steve M Steve M December 6, 2008

    From Stewart’s email which included hie evidence:

    “It will be further supported by the presentation on Saturday.”

    the complete paragraph:

    “Attached you will find a revised resolution of discipline, along with a companion document containing evidence to support the resolution. It will be further supported by the presentation on Saturday. I have also included the portion of the policy manual covering harassment.”

  9. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 6, 2008

    National may claim that their “trademark” in the LP name means that (1) disaffiliated parties must give up the name, and (2) cede their Libertarian ballot access to whichever new state party affiliates with national.

    Yes, but will they have enough money to pay their attorney to enforce the claim?

  10. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 6, 2008

    So far we know not who is accusing Angela,

    Unless you meant now rather than not, we do; Stewart Flood.

    We have learned only some of the
    supporting evidence less then 1 day before the hearing with more surprise evidence to be shown at the hearing.

    I haven’t seen anything about surprise evidence. Where did you get that?

    As far as why this is coming so late, Stewart told me that he had personal safety concerns. Apparently he is taking the alleged “could have things done to him” threat very seriously.

  11. JimDavidson JimDavidson December 6, 2008

    Yes, as Tom Knapp certainly could have guessed in 2006. But, sometimes, Douglass, it has its rewards.

  12. inDglass inDglass December 6, 2008

    I am just recalling all the work I have done and still have to do to get the BTP of Indiana fully functioning. It’s not easy starting from scratch.

  13. JimDavidson JimDavidson December 6, 2008

    @14 “Down boy!” Good one, though.

  14. Steve M Steve M December 6, 2008

    From a due process stand point I would like to see that the accusations against an individual be levied in a timely manner along with all evidence so that the accused can prepare a defense.

    So far we know not who is accusing Angela, we have learned the charges less then 5 days before the hearing. We have learned only some of the
    supporting evidence less then 1 day before the hearing with more surprise evidence to be shown at the hearing.

    I know that this level of prosecutorial misconduct must bother you as it does me.

    At the very least, to be fair to the accused those on the prosecution side must present all the evidence and give a reasonable time period to prepare a defense.

    This hasn’t happened in the accusations against Angela.

    The LNC should dismiss the charges and must at a minimum post pone this
    action.

  15. coming on the back of the LP coming on the back of the LP December 6, 2008

    Burn, motherfucker, burn.

    Hell yes!

  16. Thomas M. Sipos Thomas M. Sipos December 6, 2008

    If state parties disaffiliate, I hope they fight and win in keeping their names.

    National may claim that their “trademark” in the LP name means that (1) disaffiliated parties must give up the name, and (2) cede their Libertarian ballot access to whichever new state party affiliates with national.

  17. G.E. G.E. December 6, 2008

    If other states secede, don’t count Michigan out. I think leadership is timid about acting first, but there are a lot of strongly opinionated members who might join in if it becomes a movement.

    Burn, motherfucker, burn.

  18. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 6, 2008

    OTOH that was eight years ago and it’s not all the same people.

  19. Trent Hill Trent Hill December 6, 2008

    “Well, there *is* precedent there.”

    My point exactly.

  20. Steve M Steve M December 6, 2008

    Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Nevada and Massachusetts have all passed resolutions against using the time at the LNC Meeting. I understand that New Hampshire has said don’t use us as a reason. The New York Libertarian Party Chair has warned that state parties might break with the Libertarian National Committee if

    “If a duly elected official from a body at large is castigated, maligned and subsequently removed without proper recourse or representation”

    I have been sending donations to state parties that have passed resolutions against the persecution or at least wasting time with this action against Angela Keaton.

    I am happy to be collecting memberships from quality Libertarian State Party Organizations.

    So ask your selves, if you had planed to make a donation to the national committee, and you think they aren’t doing their job. Why not help the state parties that are doing the job? I plan to frame all the membership cards that I receive from this period. And If I get to see some of the party activists from these states I will ask them to sign the cards.

    These are the people that I believe will lead us forward. These are the people that will be at least foot notes in history. Their signature on a state party card will be a collectible!

  21. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 6, 2008

    Well, there *is* precedent there.

  22. Trent Hill Trent Hill December 6, 2008

    I dont think Arizona needs to….its implicitly understood,lol.

  23. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | December 5, 2008

    Have they passed one of those state resolutions?

  24. Gene Trosper Gene Trosper December 5, 2008

    Definitely Arizona. You don’t mess with them!

  25. Trent Hill Trent Hill December 5, 2008

    Id bet the LP could say goodbye to Arizona, Tennessee, Nevada, and New York—at the very least.

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