Libertarian Party: ‘Make your reservations for the 2009 LSLA Conference in Charleston, SC’

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Dear Libertarian Leader,

The Libertarian State Leadership Alliance (formerly LP State Chairs) will be holding its annual conference from February 27 to March 1, 2009, in Charleston, SC – and you don’t have to be a state chair to attend. The conference is open to anyone who has an interest in the future and direction of the Libertarian Party.

In addition to the LSLA Conference, the Libertarian National Committee and the LP’s Bylaws Committee will be meeting over the weekend, as well. Both meetings are open to conference attendees.

The conference will be held at the Francis Marion Hotel, which is billed as “Charleston’s Grand Hotel.” Attendees can expect to enjoy one of the South’s finest hotels at a very reasonable price. Named for Revolutionary War Hero General Francis Marion (the “Swamp Fox”), the hotel has a long history of providing gracious service and elegant accommodations.

Located in Historic Charleston, the Francis Marion Hotel offers spectacular views of Charleston’s church steeples, antebellum mansions and the famous harbor. Historic Marion Square, magnificent gardens, museums, antique shops, boutiques, restaurants and nightlife are all within an easy walk from the hotel. Or better yet, take one of the horse drawn carriages for which Charleston is famous.

We’ve managed to negotiate lower rates for your hotel stay for those who make reservations before January 27, so please be sure to follow the provided link (and enter the group code “LIBERTARIAN”) to receive a savings of between $30 and $100 per night. Additionally, all hotel rooms come with free Internet access. Simply follow this link to make your reservations today.

The Low Country Libertarians will be providing ground transportation to and from Charleston International Airport and local rail stations. We’ll be announcing additional details about your free ground transportation as these details become available.

The complete conference agenda hasn’t yet been finalized, but as speakers and panelists change their statuses from tentative to confirmed, we will be announcing the complete schedule. In addition to the LNC Meeting, LSLA Business Meeting and Bylaws Committee Meeting, expect panels and discussions on topics ranging from Race and Politics to Parliamentary Procedure to a Critique of the 2008 Presidential Race to Campus Organizing to updates from the national office. We’ll be adding additions to the agenda over the next couple of weeks.

Be sure to attend Saturday’s Dinner Panel, entitled “The Future and Direction of the Libertarian Party.” Tentative panelists include LP co-founder David Nolan, 2008 vice presidential candidate Wayne Allyn Root, and a representative from both the LP Reform and the LP Radical Caucus.

Additionally, the LSLA Conference is an ideal opportunity for state Libertarian Party leaders to network. New leaders can learn about what works, and doesn’t work, from people in other states. It’s also a great opportunity to socialize with old friends and make new ones.

The venue provides excellent opportunities for both fun and socializing. Whether you prefer an elegant local cigar bar or Sunday morning socializing at the hotel’s Bloody Mary and Mimosa breakfast, there is a lot to enjoy in the immediate area. Additionally, golf, fishing, dinner cruises, boat tours, and other activities can be easily arranged. Or simply take a walk down the street to enjoy the many wonderful shops and eating establishments downtown Charleston has to offer.

There are two registration packages for conference attendees. The Silver Package covers registration and event costs. It includes a Classic Continental Breakfast on Saturday as well as snacks and drinks throughout the day. Attendees will receive a binder filled with conference information and other information helpful to people holding leadership positions within the LP. The Silver Package costs $75 and can be ordered online here.

The Gold Package contains everything the Silver Package does, and it also entitles the attendee to participate in Saturday evening activities. We plan to open the bar around 6:30 for a pre-dinner reception. Expect an elegant multi-course dinner filled with local culinary delights. To round out the evening, panelists will debate their views about the future and direction of the Libertarian Party – and audience members will be able to directly ask panelists the questions they would most like answered. The Gold Package costs $150. To reserve your Gold Package today, simply click here.

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We’ll be announcing additional details as they become available. Additionally, we have a website designed specifically for this conference at http://www.StateChairsConference.org, and we will be updating it frequently.

I sincerely hope to see you in Charleston.

In Liberty,

Stephen Gordon

Chair, Libertarian State Leadership Alliance

P.S. If your organization is interested in co-sponsoring the LSLA Conference (prices start as low as $65), please contact me at stephen@gordonemail.com.

Posted to IPR by Paulie

45 thoughts on “Libertarian Party: ‘Make your reservations for the 2009 LSLA Conference in Charleston, SC’

  1. George Phillies

    Resolution of the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts State Committee with regards to the Libertarian State Leadership Alliance and its state chairs email list, as passed last fall

    Whereas, State Chair George Phillies received an apparently legitimate advertisement: “We’re giving away 100,000 signs to support every campaign in America.”, and

    Whereas, State Chair Phillies out of the generosity of his heart took time out of his busy schedule to forward this opportunity to as fellow state chairs via the LSLA ( Libertarian State Leadership Alliance) state chairs e-mail list, assuming that the average libertarian candidate could figure out how to divert this opportunity to her his own benefit, and

    Whereas, without giving Phillies an opportunity to defend himself, LSLA Chair Stephen Gordon took punitive action against Phillies, and

    Whereas, the nature of the complaint and the identity of the complaint have been kept secret, so there was no opportunity for Phillies to defend himself against the unknown complaint or complaintant, and,

    Whereas, contrary to the false claim of Gordon, a claim that would have been refuted if Phillies had been given a chance to defend himself, Phillies is as of this writing as a result of Libertarian National Committee action the National Party’s choice of candidate in Massachusetts, then

    Be it resolved, that the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts State Committee in accord with its authority under Party Bylaws orders and directs that all ties of LPMass with the LSLA are severed, and, furthermore,

    Orders and directs that its officers under their ex officio as may not invoke their ex officio as to join or participate in the LSLA, and

    While recognizing that each individual libertarian is free to do what they see as best for the Libertarian Party, nonetheless encourages individual state party members to seek activism opportunities other where than the Libertarian State Leadership Alliance, and,

    Finally, encourages the state chairs remaining in the Libertarian State Leadership Alliance to seek, forthwith, the removal of Steven Gordon as their head, and,

    To the extent it is useful, the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts will operate a forum for state chairs and other party leaders to discuss their issues at no cost to participate, so they will not lose by not being able to discuss through the LSLA mailing list.

  2. DaRestOfDaStory

    “Coming on the back” is just plain nutso.

    Phillies is crying because Gordon placed his e-mail on the state chairs list in MODERATION status because Phillies was using LP property to promote his campaign against Barr after Barr was nominated. The signs he’s talking about said Phillies for President.

    The rumors that Phillies was banned from the list are just as false as his the rest of his claim.

  3. Stephen Gordon

    NOTE:

    If you are trying to reserve a hotel room, make sure you use the group code “LIBERTARIAN.”

    Some people (it worked fine for me) are having difficulties getting the discounted rate of $159 when reserving rooms for additional nights. We will be calling the hotel first thing in the morning to correct the problem.

    Sorry for the tech inconvenience.

  4. George Phillies

    Those of you who are going may have a chance to discuss admissions of guilt from the people who gave us the Barr campaign. Lest we forget, those people include
    Bill Redpath — recruited Barr
    Rob Kampia — nominated Barr
    Mike Ferguson — seconded the Barr nomination
    Steve Dasbach — seconded the Barr nomination (says Barr in his acceptance speech)
    Russ Verney — Barr campaign manager
    and folks thanked by Barr for helping get Barr the nomination
    Stuart Flood (also drove Angela Keaton from the LNC)
    Steve Gordon (also stopped making LibertarianLists available to competing L Presidential candidates)
    Mark Rutherford
    and, lest we forget
    Shane Cory — who also campaigned aginst alternative candidates while he was the National Executive Director

  5. Karole Noymann

    I can’t help the analogy, but just to make it technologically more relevant this really is like arguing over email-list arrangements on the Titanic.

  6. Coming on the back of the LP

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    Phillies is crying because Gordon placed his e-mail on the state chairs list in MODERATION status because Phillies was using LP property to promote his campaign against Barr after Barr was nominated. The signs he’s talking about said Phillies for President.

    What do I have to do with it? I don’t give a shit about taking sides in the LP’s internal squabbles. I just hope they have them more and tear each other apart harder and faster, it’s entertaining to watch the worthless anti-liberty Loser Putty destroy itself.

  7. Coming on the back of the LP

    I can’t help the analogy, but just to make it technologically more relevant this really is like arguing over email-list arrangements on the Titanic.

    After it’s already most of the way sunk, too.

  8. George Phillies

    DaRestofTheStory claims the LSLA is LP Property.

    That’s a lie. The LP has been scrupulous about making clear that the LSLA is an independent organization. You have but to note that LSLA finances do not appear on LNC FEC reports.

    Gordon claimed that I was promoting my campaign. This is baloney from the guy who did all the fundraising for LibertyMix, on which we are still waiting to hear. I had a source for free signs for any campaign — they said — and thought other campaigns would find the free signs of interest for their campaigns.

    The resolution does not say I was banned, it says ‘punitive action’ and that’s what Gordon did.

    Also, the implied claim that it was my campaign that put me on the MA ballot (until we won the lawsuit) is completely false. It was the LNC that chose to do it, and overpaid substantially for their effort.

    Karole: iirc The Titanic did have up to date email arrangements, namely it had a wireless telegraph capable of perhaps 5 baud. In contrast the 2010 national convention hotel has no email above the public floors, though this may change.

  9. George Phillies

    Of course, if you are enough of an idiot you can believe that putting up signs with my name on them, in states in which I was not on the ballot, would usefully promote my campaign–but that’s what Gordon’s anonymous complaintant claimed.

  10. DaRestOfDaStory

    When I was a State Chairman, the State Chairs list was run on an LP server on the lp.org domain. I assume it still is. Which means LP property was used.

    About anonymous complaints, one of them may have been me, prenom, at least. I got sick and tired of George slamming other candidates on a list where they couldn’t post, so I called Gordon and gave him a piece of my mind.

    I just called Gordon again. He said the signs read Phillies for President and it was after the convention. He said he wished this had been a quiet matter between you and him, but it somehow leaked to the blogs. He also said he isn’t going to waste his time to go online and debate you over such a silly matter.

    George, I voted for you for natcom chair in 2004, but never again will I vote for you for anything. Wayne Allyn Root has far more credibility than you do.

  11. Ruwarchy

    George, let’s not forget the LP communications director who left DC for the Barr campaign, all the while getting a promotion!

  12. Alternate Running Mate

    The huckster finally shows his face up on IPR after months of silence. Hey Steve Gordon what happened to the money from LibertyMix or did you and VanDyke spend it on cars and booze you raving alcoholic. The only good thing Gordon ever did for me was introduce me to a few good libertarians who now have seen the light and left that irrelevant wasteland.

  13. Alternate Running Mate

    I hope very few people attend this neo-libertarian event run by conservatives in libertarian clothing. We know which side Gordon’s bread was buttered and how he bent over for Barr,Cory and Verney. Did they use some Vaseline for ya Gordon or does yer ass still hurt?

  14. VirtualGalt

    Oh goodness. Just when I was thinking “gee this sounds like a good event and a chance to meet some people (especially since I kinda doubt anyone from my state will be there),” there has to be a backstory and Drama.

    Is it always like this, or am I being overly sensitive?

  15. George Donnelly

    VirtualGalt: the LP is a huge frickin’ mess and painfully few people have any interest at all in doing constructive things in it. It’s really quite depressing.

    A lot of negative things are said about Dr Phillies but my impression of him so far leans positive.

  16. Ruwarchy

    @16

    Yes, that would be Mr. Davis. Someone at the D.C. board meeting said that he got a promotion, while he was working in Atlanta (supposedly for the LP).

  17. derkel

    VirtualGalt,

    It isn’t always like this. There are some idiots like the ones who post on here, but by and large the regular people in the LP are more interested in helping the party grow.

    I can’t say the same for some who are more interested in their personal agendas such as Phillies and some whiny anarchists.

    You have to look past all the national squabbling because most of them are morons anyways.

  18. Robert Milnes

    Once again I agree with Prof. Phillies. I also was initially considering attending but then Steven Gordon’s name came up. I quickly went from attend to boycott. But that doesn’t solve the problem of the chokehold the conservatives including RP/RP has on the LP. Clearly they would not be inclined to join BTP & if they did they’d be quickly recognized & their influence thwarted. But that still leaves the LP having a better wherewithall particularlt ballot access. This is a very difficult problem. Conservatives- we welcome a big tent that includes you but we reject the push/pull to the right. We want/need push/pull to the left.

  19. Vindex

    On a personal note Robert, how could you have possibly afforded a trip to Charleston? Would it then be followed by a series of “campaign” emails asking for personal donations to help you out of your current jam?

  20. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I just called Gordon again. He said the signs read Phillies for President and it was after the convention.”

    If Gordon actually said that, then Gordon doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    The link that George Phillies forwarded was from a sign company that was offering “free” signs featuring ANY candidate to anyone who cared to order them.

    Scare quotes around “free” as my recollection is that there was a shipping and handling charge which, if I recall correctly, seemed rather more than a reasonable cost of packing and mailing the thing — this is a common thing nowadays).

    I am occasionally one of Phillies’s detractors, but the fact is that he was on the ballot in Massachusetts because the LNC decided to have him on the ballot in Massachusetts until such time as their substitution suit (which Phillies supported) was resolved.

    Regards,
    Tom Knapp

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    Jim,

    You write:

    “So, Ruwarchy, Andrew Davis was actually working for the Barr campaign in Atlanta while he was a paid staffer for the LP? That seems highly unethical, at best, and potentially illegal.”

    Neither. The LP’s bylaws require the LP to support the presidential campaign, and the presidential campaign was where much of the LP’s news, such as it was, emanated from in the post-nomination period. Davis continued his position with the LNC — and worked out of the presidential campaign’s headquarters to be closer to the action.

  22. paulie cannoli Post author

    The link that George Phillies forwarded was from a sign company that was offering “free” signs featuring ANY candidate to anyone who cared to order them.

    This is true. However, it also happened to be displaying a Phillies for President sign as an example, and it was after the Denver convention, so some people on the list took objection to what they interpreted as advertising for Phillies for President on the list.

    In George’s defense, he says he had images turned off on his computer and did not realize that the Phillies for President signs would be displaying as part of his message. In Steve’s defense, all he did was put George on moderation status, and never actually rejected any messages that George tried to post. This is according to what they both told me. If either one told me something untrue, I have no way of knowing so, and I am not on the list myself.


    I am occasionally one of Phillies’s detractors, but the fact is that he was on the ballot in Massachusetts because the LNC decided to have him on the ballot in Massachusetts until such time as their substitution suit (which Phillies supported) was resolved.

    This is absolutely true. However, there was also the NH situation, which was another can of worms going on at the same time which different people have different views on. Also, I think that most people expected the Massachusetts substitution to succeed. There were a number of state chairs who believed that Phillies should not have continued to pursue his NH campaign after Barr qualified for the ballot there, and they perceived the signs that displayed as part of the message as an example of what kind of signs the sign company offered as Phillies promoting his campaign.

    I think I understand both sides of this, and have no particular reason to believe anyone is being dishonest. As such, it seems like a misunderstanding over something very minor that is being used as a proxy for many larger concerns.

  23. paulie cannoli Post author

    The Liberty Mix thing is also blown out of proportion. I have no particular reason to believe that Gordon knew that Van Dyke would not deliver.

    For that matter, I have no reason to believe that Van Dyke acted in bad faith, either. For all I know, it might still happen one day, but I’m not holding my breath. For whatever it’s worth, Gordon did offer to refund people’s money – I no longer remember where and when, but I remember him doing so. I did not ask for a refund because the amount is fairly trivial, I can’t find the records of me having donated it, I got lots of use out of HoT and other sites that grew out of people I met there, and because LibertyMix might still happen some day – not that it will much matter if it doesn’t.

  24. paulie cannoli Post author

    Oh goodness. Just when I was thinking “gee this sounds like a good event and a chance to meet some people (especially since I kinda doubt anyone from my state will be there),” there has to be a backstory and Drama.

    Is it always like this, or am I being overly sensitive?

    There always seems to be someone making a big deal out of some “backstory” on an email list or web forum somewhere.

    I suggest coming down to Charleston if you have the time/money and making up your own mind.

  25. paulie cannoli Post author

    VirtualGalt: the LP is a huge frickin’ mess and painfully few people have any interest at all in doing constructive things in it. It’s really quite depressing.

    I think there are more people willing to do constructive things – and actually doing some – than might be readily apparent from these types of discussions. For whatever reasons, people who prefer griping to getting things done tend to be attracted to the LP, and online discussions create a perfect medium to vent frustrations. Thus, people who don’t have time or inclination to get involved in such pervasive wet-noodle-lashings tend to avoid online libertarian discussions entirely or at least mostly.


    A lot of negative things are said about Dr Phillies but my impression of him so far leans positive.

    Dr. Phillies puts his money and time where his mouth is, and supports liberty on most issues, thus I tend to agree.

    Unfortunately, he has a very contentious relationship at the moment with several other hard working party activists, and has said various things over the years to alienate large and separate (although overlapping) groups of LP members. He is far from being alone in doing so.

    Overall, I think the good outweighs the bad with George Phillies, as it does with Steve Gordon, Tom Knapp and many others who are right most of the time and wrong some of the time – and I wish they would all tolerate each other more so we could spend less time disagreeing among ourselves and more time doing productive work for liberty together.

  26. paulie cannoli Post author

    I can’t say the same for some who are more interested in their personal agendas such as Phillies and some whiny anarchists.

    I don’t think singling out anarchists or minarchists is productive here. Both have done plenty of good work, and both have contributed to the problems.

  27. Michael Seebeck

    $159 is a DISCOUNT? Somebody needs to learn what “discount” means–$49.95!

    If I’m spending $159 for a hotel room there better be a French Maid masseuse with a Happy Ending included!

    So the big question, since I’m not going to be in Charleston (for other reasons, to the great relief of the Starr Chamber, but now Starr has to try to mess with someone else’s computer when they’re not in the room, attempting to initiate force on someone else’s property!), is who can be there to broadcast the meeting to the rest of us?

  28. Rocky Eades

    Mike @35 and Paulie @36, yes I have someone to do the video for the LNC; we had not planned on doing the LSLA.

    On another point, does anyone who has booked a room (or plans to) have an extra bed – or space on the floor? We had planned on “commuting” from Augusta both Saturday and Sunday, but it would be nice to crash in Charleston and party a bit. Let me know at: augustalibertarian@yahoo.com

  29. paulie cannoli Post author

    Rocky,

    I’m not sure I’m going yet, but if I am, I’m up for sharing space. We need to get up on the tech end of whatever you are going to do video broadcast wise sooner rather than later.

  30. Michael Seebeck

    Hi Rocky,

    Yes, LNC is what I meant, and thanks for covering it. Any way I can help on the remote end, let me know. 🙂

  31. Rocky Eades

    Paulie, @41 Thanks for the link. I have set up an account and will figure out how to use it. I think my media guy may already know how, but I’m real good at reinventing the wheel. 🙂

  32. Andy

    “For that matter, I have no reason to believe that Van Dyke acted in bad faith, either. For all I know, it might still happen one day, but I’m not holding my breath.”

    I think that people who donated to LibertyMix have a legitimate gripe. It was been what, 2-3 years now and still no site. Come on, this is pathetic.

  33. Alternative Running Mate

    Liberty Mix has NOT been blown out of proportion Paulie and you know it. Those who contributed, like myself, have been frauded by Van Dyke and Gordon even though Gordon denies even knowing where that money went. He probably split the donations with Van Dyke and bought alcohol and paid off his own debts off with it. Never trust Stephen Gordon folks he is one heckuva fake, fraud and con-artist.

    So, when is LibertyMix going to come to existence? Probably the day after NEVER!

  34. paulie cannoli Post author

    Liberty Mix has NOT been blown out of proportion Paulie and you know it.

    I stand by what I said.

    Those who contributed, like myself, have been frauded by Van Dyke and Gordon even though Gordon denies even knowing where that money went.

    Do you have any reason to believe he is lying?

    Have you tried asking him for your money back, if that is the issue?

    He probably split the donations with Van Dyke and bought alcohol

    Speculation.

    and paid off his own debts off with it.

    Unlikely. I’ve been to his house. His wife is a medical doctor.

    Never trust Stephen Gordon folks he is one heckuva fake, fraud and con-artist.

    I’ve seen no evidence of this.

    So, when is LibertyMix going to come to existence? Probably the day after NEVER!

    Quite possibly you are correct. Then again, maybe it will. And if it doesn’t, what’s the big deal?

    How much money did you invest? How long does it take you to earn that much? My answers are $25 and about 30 minutes on average.

    If the money is a huge big deal, try asking to get it back if you have not already.

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