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3rd Party activists meet in Minneapolis

Report sent to by Michael Calvan RN. No changes have been made to the text.

Last week there was a meeting of Third Party activists in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The purpose of the meeting was to discuss and strategize on building an effective electoral resistance to the current pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system.

Activists invited and present included former supporters of Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney’s presidential campaigns, local anti-war activists, Socialists, Communists, and people who had previously been active in the Independence Party of Minnesota.

We had all been drawn together because of our common understanding of the need for a serious and organized response to the two party system. We had kept it small on purpose with about 30 activists invited and present.

The meeting had been set up with the main topics of the bi-partisan complicity with the Financial Crisis, Ecological Crisis and support of the war machine and illegal, racist and immoral wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Later, we also touched on the Bi-partisan opposition to Single payer Healthcare and their support for corporate friendly HMO Healthcare.

The first speaker was local activist Karen Redleaf who explained just how both parties were directly responsible for the current economic meltdown. Karen has degres in economic thinking and describes herself as a People’s Economist.

The next speaker was former Green Party candidate for Governor Ken Pentel. Mr Pentel, who is no longer a member of the Green Party spoke on the corporate corruption of the two party system and how that is adding to the ecological crisis that this planet faces.

Our next speaker, who had to bow out at the last minute was to speak on the two party system and it’s direct continueing complicity in the war and support for the war machine.

So I stepped up and spoke on this. I was the Green Party candidate for US Senate in 2006.

Also present were activists for Single Payer Healthcare who had been active in the Minnesota Independence Party. Afterwards the conversatio was exciting and productive.

The people invited and the message itself was crystal clear. Only people who were serious about building a solid, effective response to the two party system were invited and welcomed.

We are in the very early stages of building and organizing. A number of proposals and ideas have been brought to the table, including starting a Minnesota Chapter of the Peace and Freedom Party (put forward by myself and seemed very popular with the group) and other equally interesting and thought provoking ideas.

When those of us who were former Greens and Independence party folks were asked as to why we had left our respective political parties, we answered the question honestly and openly. The similarities in the answers from activists in both parties were duely noted.

Remember now this is Minnesota where we elected Jessie Ventura for Governor and where we have had a long history of third party activism. We also have IRV for the upcoming Minneapolis City election and where IRV will be on the ballot in St Paul.

I strongly suggest that all Third Party activists keep their sights on Minnesota.

For what we have done right as well as how Third parties can be infiltrated and/or compromized. (sic)

Michael Cavlan RN

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  1. Donald Raymond Lake Donald Raymond Lake April 13, 2009

    Footnote of a footnote. Oh well, more candidates, more democracy! But I would take a BIG hint at the anti war stand of the Irish ‘Troubles” by real live American AND IRISH voters.

  2. Gregg Jocoy Gregg Jocoy April 13, 2009

    I owe Michael a correction. His name is not Calvan, but rather is Cavlan.

    His wikipedia entry can be found here.

    While Wikipedia is certainly not the final word on much of anything, Michael, if the Wikipedia account is accurate, lost the Green Party nomination for state senate in 2002 in part because he refused to disavow IRA terrorism.

    He did secure the Minnesota Green Party nomination for US Senate in 2006, bringing in .5% of the vote. In 2008 he was denied the Minnesota Green Party US Senate nomination at the state convention.

    I also point to his positions at On the Issues. On almost all of them I would take positions close to his. The only glaring exception is that, according to OTI, he supports teaching values in public schools. (Aug 2006). On that one we disagree indeed.

  3. John C Jackson John C Jackson April 12, 2009

    It appears this meeting was only for “anti-war” groups that support state violence at home, and I see an obvious absence of any principled anti-war folks that are also pro-liberty.

  4. Green Ferret Green Ferret April 12, 2009

    “When those of us who were former Greens and Independence party folks were asked as to why we had left our respective political parties, we answered the question honestly and openly. The similarities in the answers from activists in both parties were duely noted.”

    What did you tell them? No veiled answers, please… just the full text of your remarks.

  5. Melty Melty April 11, 2009

    It’s unwise for any budding party to support the needlessly elaborate and glitchy “Instant Runoff” voting, or any other elimination & reallocation method. Best bet for better voting today is the world’s simplest, namely Approval Voting.

  6. Melty Melty April 11, 2009

    Since late summer last year, when solar wind reached record low and there were yet no sunspots strangely, I’ve been predicting a solar minimum, “mini-ice age”. The last one was the Dalton Minimum two centuries ago. Now a half year later and STILL it’s weak solar wind and no sunspots. Climatologists note that the planet was colder last year than the year before. It’s looking very likely that we are heading for two or more decades of colder weather than anybody remembers. Buff up your nordic skis. If 2009 ends without sunspot activity, you can be sure of chill throughout the two thousand tens.

  7. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan April 11, 2009

    For the record Gregg Jocoy and his comments show why those of us who actually do the hard work and organizing have left the GP.

    Because it has been our experience that it is those who actually do the work are attacked and smeared.
    That has been the case with the folks who left the Minnesota Independence Party also.

    They are called sabotouers

  8. mdh mdh April 11, 2009

    Paulie’s scenario is exactly correct. In fact, it happens in real life. How does the government in your ideal society deal with people who do not initiate force or coercion against anyone else, but who simply refuse to participate in government-mandated activities such as the surrendering of earned wealth?

    Above and beyond that, you oppose governments using lethal force, but what about when non-lethal force leads to death due to pre-existing health problems? Above and beyond that, is assaulting a citizen who has never committed violence against another an OK thing in your ideal society? It isn’t in mine.

  9. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes April 11, 2009

    If participation in government programs was voluntary…

  10. Gregg Jocoy Gregg Jocoy April 11, 2009

    Michael wrote:

    We had kept it small on purpose with about 30 activists invited and present.

    Very democratic of you. What would you have done if someone came who was not invited?

    Michael also wrote:

    Only people who were serious about building a solid, effective response to the two party system were invited and welcomed.

    I can’t help but wonder what criteria were used to determine who was “serious”. Did one have to be a “former” member of a third party? Did one have to be an armchair activist, spending most of their energy behind a keyboard?

    Michael also wrote:

    When those of us who were former Greens and Independence party folks were asked as to why we had left our respective political parties, we answered the question honestly and openly. The similarities in the answers from activists in both parties were duely noted.

    I imagine that this same set of excuses would be used by those who left the Reform Party, Working Families Party, Labor Party, or any other alternative party. Some folks just don’t get the concept of not always getting their way. Politics is hard, and some don’t care to do the real work, preferring instead to complain about those who do want to do the real work.

    ~Carefully steps down from his soap box~

  11. Gregg Jocoy Gregg Jocoy April 11, 2009

    Actually paulie, I kinda wonder what *would* happen if a tax were made voluntary. One way to give that idea a try would be to begin by allowing taxpayers a chance to direct at least *some* of their taxes towards or away from programs they liked or opposed.

    We can’t keep on doing things the same way we have in the past if we want different outcomes.

  12. paulie paulie April 11, 2009

    OK, I’m sure you are familiar with this one, but for discussion:

    Suppose someone does not agree to pay a tax.

    Do you send agents to arrest them?

    If they resist arrest, would those agents use force – up to deadly force if they have to – to execute the arreest?

  13. Woof! Woof! April 11, 2009

    “…collect and spend some money for group projects such as roadways. ”

    Spending money on roadways and highways has been one of the major socialist failures of the US government. And a greater tragedy as the world has chosen to follow.

    It has caused the building of too many roads and highways, too many cars, too much air pollution, urban sprawl, congestion and traffic problems, reliance on imports, disasterous foreign policy in obtaining imports, plots and assassinations and coups by the CIA to obtain supplies and war.

    The free market would use walking, elevators and people moving technologies which are much cheaper to construct and maintain, energy efficient, cleaner, and healthier alternatives in the absence of the socialist transportation system.

    But, the government should provide more cute, little red fire-hydrants.


  14. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder April 11, 2009


    Interesting perspective.

    And, as a former Libertarian and “Advocate for Self-Government”, I get what you are saying, and agree part way.

    I just think that if government was fair, and ran very democratically (ie: something deeper than just a winner-take-all voting system), that there would be agreements among people that the government set some guidelines for group behavior, and collect and spend some money for group projects such as roadways.

    I do believe that the government should not be allowed to execute/murder anyone. So, I am demanding non-violence of the government in that respect.

  15. mdh mdh April 11, 2009

    Kimberly, isn’t the libertarian anarchist ideology the only one that actually purports true non-violence? It seems that the Green Party still advocates the existence of a government which would take enforcement actions which would entail the initiation of force and coercion.

  16. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder April 11, 2009

    I believe I have expressed this to some of the parties involved. But, one of my basic, political premises is non-violence and absolute rejection of war.

    If one of these groups could articulate that, I could join.

    I do not think that is expressly pointed out in the platform of the Peace and Freedom Party (trust me, I studied in, looking for a home.)

    But, I don’t think it is oppositional to the Peace and Freedom Party, if I understand.

    So, if the folks coalitioning came up with “non-violence” as a spelled out value or platform item, I might be “in”.

    (Ummm…maybe I should not warn people!)


  17. Donald Raymond Lake Donald Raymond Lake April 11, 2009

    A step in the correct direction. Any one else got energy after 2008? All the hype sure wore me down!

  18. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes April 11, 2009

    The progressive alliance strategy is the correct
    strategy. In 4 years most of dems & reps could be voted out culminating with election of progressive/libertarian executive ticket in 2012. That ticket could have a Green & Libertarian majority Congress. Even if Nader/Gonzales or Barr/Root or McKinney/Clemente had been elected they still would have had a dem/rep Congress.

  19. Jerry Shoc+** ** Jerry Shoc+** ** April 10, 2009

    MN LP & CP members should join in on the areas they can agree. The Military Industrial Complex and their controlled media is certainly hindering third party progress and want WARS and more WARS!

    Now if our friends would only wake up to the FRAUD of their lives…
    Climate Chaos? Don’t Believe it! (U.K. Sunday Telegraph Nov. 5, 2006)
    …the “climate-change” scare is less about saving the planet than, in Jacques Chirac’s chilling phrase,
    “creating world government” ~ Christopher Monckton

    Is Global Warming on the Wane? (2009)
    Some scientists believe that an extreme cooling episode, potentially a mini-ice age, is imminent. Others think that it may already be under way.
    We at the Almanac are among those who believe that sunspot cycles and their effects on oceans correlate with climate changes. Studying these and other factors suggests that a cold, not warm, climate may be in our future.
    -By Joseph D’Aleo, From The 2009 Old Farmer’s Almanac

    In a report titled The First Global Revolution, pg. 115, (1991) published by the CLUB of ROME, a globalist think tank, we find the following statement: ‘In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself’.”

    WEATHER CHANNEL Founder -John Coleman slams global warming HOAX (1 of 4):

    John Coleman slams global warming (2 of 4):

    John Coleman slams global warming (3 of 4):

    John Coleman slams global warming (4 of 4):

    WEATHER CHANNEL Founder – Al Gore is a FRAUD:

    Glenn Beck: Global Warming greatest scam in history:
    “The underlying reason indeed why both parties have failed to take the people’s side in the present crisis is that neither party can openly attack the real evils which are undermining representative government without convicting themselves of treachery to the voters during their recent tenure in office.” Robert Marion La Follette, Sr.
    “Decades of compromise has left us with “two” political parties that have become so similar, it is nearly impossible to distinguish one from the other. With virtually no opposing power left in Washington, we are continually victimized by a lawless, one-party system that is driving us into moral and fiscal bankruptcy.” ~ Mary Starrett

    “This country is a one-party country. Half of that party is called Republican and half is called Democrat. It doesn’t make any difference. All the really good ideas belong to the Libertarians.”
    — (former long time ABC’s 20/20 host) Hugh Downs as a guest on Politically Incorrect 3/31/97

  20. PTK PTK April 10, 2009

    I wish something like this would happen down here in Florida, I would so attend it.

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