LP Blog Takes Swipe at “Birther Fringe”

Austin Petersen, the Libertarian Party’s Director of Outreach and Affiliate Relations, who is leaving the LP in three weeks to take a position with the Atlas Economic Research Foundation, blogs at LP.org about the “Obama birth certificate issue”. This was first raised during the campaign, but has gained some interesting momentum in the past few weeks. A selection:

Libertarians understand that the entire issue does not even matter in a larger sense. …
Socialized healthcare is on the horizon. The DHS, NSA, TSA police state is expanding, the Drug War is still being pursued by an arrogant, ignorant government and Obama is expanding the war in Afghanistan! Frankly we have got bigger problems to pursue than blogging endlessly about where the President was born. Being President these days is the power to ignore the Constitution. People who claim to care about the rule of law should be focusing on more important issues and join the Libertarian Party in fighting expanding government.

The entire piece can be found at LP.org.

64 thoughts on “LP Blog Takes Swipe at “Birther Fringe”

  1. sunshinebatman

    This is no surprise. “Atlas” is a hardcore globalist anti-American faction. They love the foreign nonindigenous usurper-in-chief.

    The anti-American Atlas faction was behind the RONPAULRACIST campaign during the 2008 primary, working closely with the anti-American Soros left.

    Hopefully Wes Benedict is purging the LP of these anti-American fanatics. The new webmaster should erase this anti-American garbage from Peterson as soon as he signs on.

  2. Thomas L. Knapp

    The best approach would probably have been for LPHQ to not have commented on it at all, for the same reasons that they don’t comment on 9/11 “Truth,” Raelian cloning, David Icke’s theory that we’re being secretly colonized by reptilian aliens, etc. It’s just more trouble than it’s worth, you end up having to deal with every cockamamie idea out there.

    That kind of stuff risks displeasing the LP’s invisible inner circle and maybe even bringing them down from the secret moonbase to put some boots up some LPHQ asses, and we wouldn’t want that.

    But, if LPHQ was going to address the “birther” nonsense, at least they did so in a reasonable way. Job well done.

  3. sunshinebatman

    Knapp is officially the first 2012 candidate to take the anti-American position.

    Where’s Root? Is he next?

    Hey, were Root’s parents naturalized before he was born? Is he ineligible also?

  4. John C

    The LP blog has recently managed to speak on the birthers , call Obama a weird name coined by “libertarian” Neal Boortz, and also praise Confederates.

  5. sunshinebtman

    BTW — Root’s brief autobio gives the impression both his parents were more likely than not naturalized at the time he was born, but he isn’t entirely clear.

    It’s on page “xxv” of his masterpiece The Conscience of a Libertarian.

  6. sunshine batman

    BTW — Root’s brief autobio gives the impression both his parents were more likely than not naturalized at the time he was born, but he isn’t entirely clear.

    It’s on page “xxv” of his masterpiece The Conscience of a Libertarian.

  7. sunshine batman

    … BTW — Root’s brief autobio gives the impression both his parents were more likely than not naturalized at the time he was born, but he isn’t entirely clear.

    It’s on page “xxv” of his masterpiece The Conscience of a Libertarian.

  8. Robert Milnes

    In my opinion the Ron Paul counterrevolution is by far a larger problem for libertarians than DEA, DHS, NSA, TSA etc. We need a revolutionary inclusive libertarian progressive movement in the EXACT OPPOSITE direction of Ron Paul & Chuck Baldwin et al. That actually has a chance to win by the way. In the meantime I have no problem with Obama birthers. “Being president these days is the power to ignore the Constitution.” is a cute soundbite. I wouldn’t have said that.

  9. Michael Seebeck

    The stupid thing about it that if President If Ya Smell What Barack is Cookin’ simply had put out the long form BC for all to see in the first place, it would be a non-issue. Yet he didn’t, showing either political naivete or that he’s hiding something.

    Milnes, I’ve been to Camden–MSG capital of the world in the Campbell Soup factory there–you can have Camden, assuming they’ll claim you. Camden makes LA Skid Row look like Beverly Hills and the Philadelphia Projects look like Upper Manhattan. They’d need to Superfund the place just to get it up to blight level.

  10. Jack

    Here’s Obama’s dilemma in a nutshell (READ VERY CAREFULLY AND DIGEST):

    If BHO shows his original long form birth certificate, indeed showing he was born in Hawaii, it will also show his father was American citizen, Frank Marshall Davis, not the Kenyan/British citizen, Barack Obama Sr. While that would allow Barack Jr. to be POTUS eligible as BOTH a “citizen”/“native born citizen” AND an Article 2 “natural born citizen” — that is, born to two American citizens on American soil — it would simultaneously show he is a fraud hiding his real father — an unacceptable political debacle.

    If, on the other hand, BHO keeps hiding his original long form birth certificate — while simply repeating, without showing, he was born in Hawaii — he can still CLAIM BOTH he was born in Hawaii AND his father was the Kenyan/British Barack Obama Sr. This would enable Barack Jr. to claim he’s a “citizen”/“native born citizen” but it would mean (if a federal court would ever get around to declaring and thus far no one has standing to bring the suit) that he’s NOT an Article 2 “natural born citizen” and thus not eligible to be POTUS — a legal/constitutional debacle since all acts under an illegal POTUS are void.

    So it seems, BHO has elected option one until forced to go option two because for now it looks like no federal court will ever find a plaintiff with standing. (Of course, there’s the additional issue of BHO losing American citizen status if/when he became an Indonesian citizen — that is, IF he returned and was naturalized he would be a legal citizen, but would lose both native and natural born status, and, IF he returned and was not naturalized, he would be an illegal immigrant unlawfully in this country — but we’ll leave that for another day.)

  11. Thomas L. Knapp

    Michael and Jack,

    You’re operating under a very fundamental misimpression here — the misimpression that Obama faces an “issue” or is in a “dilemma.”

    In point of fact, the major thing he’s probably hiding is the grin on his face as he watches the GOP tear itself apart and make itself look like The Party of Retards over the whole thing.

    Keep in mind that there’s no reasonable doubt whatsoever that Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. He produced his birth certificate in mid-2008, the Hawaiian bureaucrats in charge of public records have attested to its veracity and authenticity numerous times, and the contemporaneous newspaper birth announcements confirm it.

    Jack’s assertion that Obama’s father is someone other than the man he’s held out as his father is interesting — I’ve heard that theory before — and might, I suppose, be part of the reason that Obama hasn’t shifted himself to assist the “birthers.”

    Even if it’s true though, I don’t think it’s something that would hurt Obama to reveal. All he’d have to do is say “I was brought up believing that Barack Obama, Sr. was my biological father, and I choose to continue regarding him as my father. It was only when I decided to run for president that my grandmother sat me down for a talk and told me that in fact my biological father was [insert name here]. I consider myself the sum of my actions and my personal relationships, not the product of my DNA, and so should you.” He’d have America eating out of his hand, like he always does.

    The main reason I think he’s sitting back and enjoying the show, though, is that the “birthers” hurt the GOP far more than they will ever hurt him.

  12. mick dorris

    Knapp 2012 looking to expand beyond anti-American votes to disingenuous bureaucrat votes…. interesting coalition.

  13. paulie

    good ole Sunshine Batman , leader of the tinfoil hat brigade

    Yep. I’d post a cat in a tinfoil hat pic but it is no longer innovative. Austin Petersen is spot on with his commentary here, and Tom Knapp is mostly right too, except perhaps about 9/11.

  14. paulie

    Anti-American?

    (re-reads)

    Anti-American?

    /blinks/

    It’s like Joe McCarthy and David Icke had a love child on a secret moon base!

  15. paulie

    Where’s Root? Is he next?

    Hey, were Root’s parents naturalized before he was born? Is he ineligible also?

    How would that follow, even if true? Wayne was born and raised in the US.

  16. paulie

    Camden makes LA Skid Row look like Beverly Hills and the Philadelphia Projects look like Upper Manhattan.

    I don’t know what you consider upper manhattan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Heights,_Manhattan#Crime_epidemic

    Washington Heights was severely affected by the crack cocaine epidemic of the early/mid-1980s. This was due, in part, to the neighborhood crack gang, known as the Wild Cowboys or the Red Top Gang, who were associated with Yayo. The Wild Cowboys were responsible for the higher number of crimes, especially murders, during the late 80s and early 90s. Robert Jackall wrote a book, Wild Cowboys: Urban Marauders and the Forces of Order,[24] describing the events that took place during that period of lawlessness. Homelessness was rampant. Washington Heights had become the largest drug distribution center in the Northeastern United States during that time.[25] A housing project in the neighborhood was nicknamed “Crack City,”[26] an epithet commonly bestowed upon rough areas at the time.

    …..

    Crime subsequently fell due to aggressive police tactics. Police presence increased, and building landlords allowed police to patrol in apartment buildings, which led to the arrests of thousands of drug dealers a year in Washington Heights. The arrest of police officers involved in drug dealing changed the neighborhood dramatically.[24].People were also being stopped for quality of life crimes. A new police precinct was also added in the area.[25] Today, its crime rate, along with that of neighboring Harlem, is much lower[27]

    http://www.wellesley.edu/Chemistry/Chem101/war/html%20pages/ny-heights-crime.html

    from 1998

    “In Washington Heights, until recently one of New York’s most murderous communities, a disturbing truth reveals itself in the empty stoops on West 162nd Street in late afternoon, in the thinly peopled parks overlooking the Harlem River, in the greetings not exchanged by lifelong neighbors on Audubon Avenue:

    The gunfire may recede into memory, but the fear hangs on.

    In 1991, there were 119 killings north of 155th Street in Manhattan. So far this year, the body count stands at just five. Yet while people in Times Square and other far less violent neighborhoods have greeted far less dramatic drops in crime with responses bordering on euphoria, hardly anybody is ready to celebrate in Washington Heights.

    Slowly, haltingly, after a decade and a half in a war zone, the survivors are beginning to emerge from their bunkers into the plain light of day. ”

    My old neighborhood where I grew up (1981-89)

  17. Jim Davidson

    Wow. Reading that blog in its original one might get the impression that the LP was formally against the war in Afghanistan. I remember distinctly Susan Hogarth wrote an excellent resolution against that war, and the LNC passed said resolution. I also remember it took weeks to get the LP to put it on their web site, since I gather it disagreed with Bob Barr’s preconceived notions.

    But it is good to see Austin’s blog. I think he does an excellent job of pushing the issue off onto the further fringes of conservative GOP nutters and Constitution Party extremists. Making the LP look “moderate” in comparison without damaging the platform or diluting any of its important stands is a good idea.

    After all, that’s what the Boston Tea Party has been doing for years. -smile-

  18. A Girl Who Knows

    I also think it was Austin Peterson who originated the resolution against the war in Afghanistan that was eventually passed by the LNC.

  19. paulie

    I also think it was Austin Peterson who originated the resolution against the war in Afghanistan that was eventually passed by the LNC.

    I seem to recall that being the case as well.

  20. paulie

    o/t

    I do not have time to write these up until late tonight at the very early earliest. If anyone can get to them first that would be awesome!

    http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2009/07/29/reverend-billy-talen-coverage/

    http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2009/07/28/greens-wrap-up-2009-natl-meeting-in-durham-nc-video-clips-of-highlights/

    http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/07/28/u-s-court-of-appeals-wont-re-hear-nader-case-against-democratic-national-committee/

    http://polidoc.blogspot.com/2009/07/in-pickle-of-greenwash.html

    —————————————–

    I just got an update from Wayne Allyn Root.

    He is now scheduled to be on Hannity tonight, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, on Fox News Channel.

    Time: 9pm Eastern

    6pm Pacific

    (This show used to be called Hannity and Colmes)

    If I remember correctly, this is the first time Wayne has been on Hannity, and Hannity is FNC’s second highest rated TV show after The O’Reilly Factor.

    Scott Lieberman

    ————————————————–

    ROOT on Fox News on Tuesday

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS_BDxTxR6M

    Wayne Allyn Root
    2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee

    ———————————

    http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-warn-judiciary-vote-may-have-consequences

  21. citizen1

    Being President these days is the power to ignore the Constitution.
    So we should allow him to do this? In any area?
    According to BHO’s grandma he was born in Kenya. She is the only living person to say that she was present at his birth. Even though BHO was there I am sure he does not remember first hand where he was born.
    Even if he was born in Hawaii he became an Indonesian citizen and I am actually willing to over look this when he was a child. But he used his Indonesian citizenship as an adult to get a passport to go to a country that Americans were not allowed to go to. He choose to not be an American.

  22. sunshinebatman

    Thanks for the link, paulie. We get to see knappy expand on the depths of his ignorance/hatred of the Constitution.

    And, no surprise, anti-liberty pro-establishment pagan crank George Phillies weighs in, also favoring foreign dictators in the White House.

    We also see here on this thread the “radical” splinter tea party also agitating in favor of foreign dictators ruling over America.

  23. Thomas L. Knapp

    citizen1,

    You write:

    “According to BHO’s grandma he was born in Kenya.”

    Nope.

    First of all, the woman in question is not his grandmother. She’s one of his grandfather’s wives.

    Secondly, what happened is in an interview, something she said was mis-translated as alluding to Obama having been born in Kenya — and she corrected that moments later when it was brought to her attention that that’s how what she said had been interpreted.

    Thanks for playing, though.

  24. Michael Seebeck

    Tom @16:

    There is plenty of doubt as to him being born in HI. A COLB–which he did release– is not the long from BC. Nor is it the hospital-issued BC either that some state issue (I have both of those, but not the LFBC). Bureaucrats saying they’ve seen it but won’t show it is simply hearsay, and could be induced by simple cash infusion as campaign expense–and given the nature of BCRA, probably legal in letter if not spirit of the law.

    The best evidence and the conclusive evidence is to release the LFBC.

    Newspaper birth announcements, like obituaries, don’t mean squat. When my grandmother died in CO the obituary appeared in IN where she’s buried, and that’s how I found out about it after the fact. My own birth announcement, in the same area, also showed up in newspapers in Iowa and California.

    It also doesn’t really matter who his father is, either. The real character damage here is not in his bloodlines but in his actions, and those, quite frankly, suck.

    I’m no fan of the idea of “President Biden”, either–which is what would happen if B.O. is shown to be ineligible and disqualified.

    I’m no birther, folks, and I sure as hell ain’t GOP. I was the one who showed conclusively that John McCain wasn’t eligible either.

    I just want the constitutional issue resolved conclusively, plain and simple.

    Producing a single piece of paper, the most important piece of paper in a person’s entire existence, should not be this difficult or inconvenient.

    Shoot, I’ve got mine–if B.O. doesn’t have his, then I’m more qualified to be President than he is (but then again, most libertarians are anyway!). 😀

  25. Gene Trosper

    I frankly do not see this as being a “libertarian” issue at all. Let the Dems and Repubs argue amongst themselves about which one is the most worthy and legitimate property of the state.

  26. Susan Hogarth

    MS about birth cert:

    …the most important piece of paper in a person’s entire existence…

    Eh? Hardly! I can think of a LOT more important ‘pieces of paper’:

    *First love note. Or -any- love note.
    *Greeting card from a loved one. Or greeting card from the dentist.
    *High school journal with embarrassingly bad poetry and “Polonius is God” scribbled on the front.

    As GWB so famously (and perhaps apocryphally) said about the Constitution, a birth cert is ‘just a god-damned piece of paper’.

    I think we should avoid, as libertarians, fetishizing state documents.

  27. libertariangirl

    to add to susans list

    pics of your ultrasound , diplomas , anything your kids make you , divorce decrees , etc etc

  28. Gene Berkman

    Tom Knapp: so you don’t believe David Icke’s theory that we have been invaded by alien reptiles.

    So how do you explain Eric Dondero, Sunshine Batman and Robert Milnes?

  29. NewFederalist

    …”Gee our old LaSalle ran great, those were the days!” (With apologies to Archie and Edith)

  30. Michael Seebeck

    Nope, Susan and LG, while those are important, proof of existence in this world is the most important. Without a BC you can’t even get a passport to GTFO.

  31. libertariangirl

    you cant get a passport to GTFO thru legal government approved channels or in your legally approved publicly known name.

    there are ways though ,

    funny

  32. Susan Hogarth

    “…proof of existence in this world is the most important…”

    Paper is hardly proof of existence (well, except for the existence of paper, which I suspect no one doubts).

    Anyway, the birth cert is -their- (the state’s) responsibility to maintain on record, not -yours-. They are the ones with an interest in it – and if I could get the state of MD to destroy mine, I gladly would.

    There are always workarounds for paperless peeps:

    http://studenttravel.about.com/od/planyourtrip/f/nocertificate.htm

  33. Steven R Linnabary

    But he used his Indonesian citizenship as an adult to get a passport to go to a country that Americans were not allowed to go to. He choose to not be an American.

    No, it is AMERICAN to do what the fuck you want, not what the government says you can.

    There is NOTHING unAmerican about having multiple passports. Everybody should have at least one from a different country.

    PEACE

  34. Michael Seebeck

    LG, so if you’re not there, then you don’t exist? 🙂

    Susan, if it is the state responsibility to maintain a BC for an individual then why is it always inherent on the individual to produce it when needed for such things like employment, school enrollment, and security clearances? Why can’t the organizations that require it simply get it from the state? The answer is the same reason why Joe the Plumber can’t get B.O.’s BC–it’s not his to get–it belongs to someone else.

    That’s right, your birth record is part of your personal information that belongs to YOU and no one else–making it also your responsibility. Sorry, but you can’t claim maintaining your BC isn’t your responsibility when it clearly is–the state vital statistics is simply that–a recording agency. Next time you’re asked for it for a job, tell them to get it themselves from the state and see how fast you get unemployed by them. It doesn’t work that way, and not liking it won’t change it.

    The same is true for all documents and records pertaining to your unique identity. People go bananas about their credit record and identity theft and take great pains to protect that information and keep it accurate. Remember “Your Permanent Record” from elementary school? Whatever happened to that, anyway? Ditto for employment and medical records. People do so out of responsibility and protection for oneself and their posterity–and the same is true for the document that starts it all, the BC. when the end of the day is done, one’s first personal responsibility is to themselves. I think we all agree on that, and abdicating part of that responsibility to the state in terms of a BC just doesn’t make any sense at all.

    So I disagree–your personal information is your own responsibility, from BC onward.

  35. robert capozzi

    why do I fear that some will try to add a plank to the platform about either the legitimacy or statism of birth certificates? 😉

  36. Thomas L. Knapp

    Gene @ 38: Touche.

    Mike @33: You obviously place much more importance on state/bureaucratic paperwork than I do.

    However did the first, oh, 18 or so presidents get away with being elected to the office without birth certificates?

  37. Michael H. Wilson

    As I recall Andrew Jackson had to put up with the same rumor, but I don’t know if it was the alien one Gene mentions @ 38. or the birth certificate one. Maybe both.

  38. JT

    Tom: “You’re operating under a very fundamental misimpression here — the misimpression that Obama faces an “issue” or is in a “dilemma.””

    I agree with Tom on that. Except I don’t think this issue is truly tearing the GOP apart. Other things are doing that, like Republican officials paying lip service to economic liberty and then continually expanding the federal government.

    To the vast majority of Americans–at least 4 out of 5 I’m sure–the birthers don’t seem like loyal defenders of the Constitution; they just seem like VERY sore losers. That doesn’t hurt the president too much, as far as I can tell.

  39. George Phillies

    The birther fruitcakes are making the Republicans look like idiots, a positive income. The Democrats appear to have worked out that there is nothing going on except Republican crackpot ranting, and are happy to force Republican politicians to say they are crackpots or say they their constituents are nuts.

  40. paulie

    We also see here on this thread the “radical” splinter tea party also agitating in favor of foreign dictators ruling over America.

    Perhaps the batman would start a new ParaNutter party?

  41. paulie

    you don’t believe David Icke’s theory that we have been invaded by alien reptiles.

    So how do you explain Eric Dondero, Sunshine Batman and Robert Milnes?

  42. citizen1

    Knapp
    I’ll check into that first part if you will send me the source. But what about the second part it stands even if the first is not true?

    Even if he was born in Hawaii he became an Indonesian citizen and I am actually willing to over look this when he was a child. But he used his Indonesian citizenship as an adult to get a passport to go to a country that Americans were not allowed to go to. He choose to not be an American.

    I am starting to think there might be something to the Marshall thing. Maybe I am going crazy.

  43. JT

    Jim: “Odd, I don’t remember agitating for a foreign dictator.”

    Would you prefer a domestic one who releases a long-form birth certificate? That’s the alternative with this issue.

    A smart strategist picks battles carefully. This isn’t a good one, unless you like the very widespread perception of being an extremely sore loser.

  44. libertariangirl

    my mama always said ‘pick and choose your battles’

    VERY sound advice

  45. Michael Seebeck

    Tom @50:

    Birth certificates didn’t exist then, and the family bible record was considered sufficient. So that question really is irrelevant to the present time.

    Sorry, but the right of being secure in your person and your property starts with securing WHO you are, period.

    Unless you *want* people to steal your identity and destroy your life, ruin your reputation, and get all your property taken? I sure don’t.

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