Virgil Goode On Video: He’s Both GOP and Constitution Party

IPR was the first outlet to announce that former United States Representative Virgil Goode had joined the Constitution Party as a “sustaining member”, a story which was quickly picked up on by the national media. However, there has been some level of confusion regarding whether Goode left the GOP–with some reporting he had and others reporting he had not. I reported here, just a few days after my initial report of his joining the CP, that Goode was still a member of the GOP too. The following video is confirmation of that.

59 thoughts on “Virgil Goode On Video: He’s Both GOP and Constitution Party

  1. Trent Hill Post author

    For anyone who is interested, here are some other videos/links.

    This video is of Goode’s speech to the Constitution Party National Committee in 2009 (i.e., not the most recent one)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbZDvWNtTM&feature=related
    That’s just part one. Part two and three are in the sidebar.

    When I first reported Goode joined the CP, a blogger in virginia posted this story.
    http://virginiafifthwatchdog.com/2010/05/false-breaking-news-virgil-goode-joins-constitution-party/
    If you read the comments you’ll find me defending my article and going after the blogger who wrote this. The blogger later wrote an apology/retraction that included the video above.
    http://virginiafifthwatchdog.com/2010/05/correction-yes-virgil-good-did-join-constitution-party/

  2. Sean Scallon

    There is a Congressional candidate in Wisconsin named Dan Mielke who is running for David Obey’s seat who is like this too, CP endorsed (he may be a member too but I am not sure) but also running for the GOP nomination. I think you’ll see more this in the future.

  3. Oh come on .......... Lake

    *spoiler alert* do not assume that the (so called) Constitution Party has a secure future during the current disgust with the Democans and the Republicrats. Only ‘Decline To State’ has gotten more popular with LP and GP having shrunk the least.

    With the loss of California and Texas, and the considerations of a half a dozen other states, the CP is following the reform (Deform ????) movement and the DOA Natural Law Party to the ‘dust bin of history’.

    All other ‘Loyal Opposition’ need to review THE FACTS and act accordingly. Y’all might want to (finally ?????????) get serious about fighting the establishment forces of evil.

  4. Don Grundmann

    ” With the loss of California and Texas, and the considerations of a half a dozen other states ”

    Response – 1) California is not ” lost.” The REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party is fighting back against the corruption faction of Alan Keyes which is attacking the AIP in order to destroy the CP and hence the 3rd party conservative movement in the nation. The REAL AIP will prevail. 2) There are no ” considerations ( of leaving the CP ) by other states. This is a disinformation lie put out by the corruption faction of the AIP and then dutifully spread by ” The Fool ” as their lackey/lap dog/poodle. 3) ” Loyal Opposition ” that reviews the facts will see A) that the Constitution Party is the true conservative party of the nation and B) that both Alan Keyes and his political party are fakes and tools of the enemies of the nation.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  5. paulie

    2) There are no ” considerations ( of leaving the CP ) by other states.

    False. I attended a meeting a few weeks ago where several state and county chairs of the CP, including some who are not recognized as such by national, and some who (as far as I know) still are, considered leaving the CP. While they decided not to do so at this time, they are still not happy with the national leadership and may end up leaving. I’m woefully late in providing my field report on this, but I’ll be housesitting without much else to do starting tomorrow for about a week or so, so it’ll be forthcoming.

  6. Trent Hill Post author

    Paulie, like I said–because of the sensitive nature of the story, make sure to run it by me before posting. I want to make sure certain information is in the story (I’ve been involved with a number of the people in the group you’re talking about).

  7. paulie

    Yes, I know. You’ll get the first copy.

    I’ll also run it by those who were there to make sure my notes/recollection are reasonably accurate.

  8. Trent Hill

    Cody,

    Yes. Basically the group includes a lot of states that have never had ballot access and a lot of states that haven’t done anything in years (Louisiana included)

  9. Cody Quirk

    I see, then its not too much of a big deal; I’m aware of who some of these people are, and they’re not exactly popular with the national party in general.

  10. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    Would you please post contact information for the people that saw that the CP “went North”,
    because the leadership of the American Independent Party would like to make contact
    with them.

    On June 27, 2008, the American Independent
    Party affliated with the America’s Indendent
    Party of Fenton, Michigan as a national affliation.

    That act by the AIP State Central Committee of
    affiliation caused a reaction by James King on
    June 28, 2008. He took the announcement paper of affiliation crushed it into a wad at through it at me. On May 17, 2010, Jim King’s
    depo will be take near the Ontario Airport, CA.
    It will take place at 9:00 a.m.

    Unlike these other state parties, the American Independent Party has ballot access (almost
    400 thousands strong). The AIP ticket in 2008
    was Alan Keyes for President and Wiley Drake
    for Vice President.

    Warning, both Don Grundmann and Jim King
    has not been on the AIP State Central Committee
    since September 2, 2008. Don Grundmann has
    never been Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party,
    affliated with the America’s Independent Party
    of Fenton, Michigan, since June 27, 2008

  11. paulie

    Would you please post contact information for the people that saw that the CP “went North”,
    because the leadership of the American Independent Party would like to make contact
    with them.

    I’m not sure that I’m at liberty to post their contact info. Their names and party titles will be included, and you should be able to find them easily enough. I have a lot of stuff to sort through as I’m finally on a decent internet connection, with no websites blocked and plenty of time, and a computer that plays sound today. I’ll try to get to it.

  12. paulie

    Let me guess, are some of these people in the southern CP affiliates?

    Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Texas. Meeting was in Alabama.

  13. Spin Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    paulie // May 12, 2010:
    2) There are no ” considerations ( of leaving the CP ) by other states …….
    “False. I attended a meeting a few weeks ago where several state and county chairs of the CP, including some who are not recognized as such by national, and some who (as far as I know) still are, considered leaving the CP. While they decided not to do so at this time, they are still not happy with the national leadership and may end up leaving …….”

    Bottom line: Cody lies, making it up as he goes along, with sneaky, unethical postings in Third Party Watch and Independent Political Report, he is caught and then spins his way away from the truth (even as he admits knowing of the false hood ‘a priori’! )

    Good Christian / Mormon values —– huh? And then you also slam west coast patriot Edward (LDS) Noonan.

    Lake is nearly 100% correct and then gets slammed by Quirk, Nightingale, Sgt L (from hell), Grundmann, Jim King and this jerk Murphy (whom ever he is). Hey Murphy, it is kinda funny isn’t it ????????

  14. Don Grundmann

    Good Christian / Mormon values —– huh? And then you also slam west coast patriot Edward (LDS) Noonan.

    Lake is nearly 100% correct

    Response – Don Lake, i.e.; ” The Fool, ” is a nitwit idiot who knows nothing except how to be ” The Fool.” Ed Noonan is the absolute reverse of a ” patriot.” He is an ultra corrupt liar who is a traitor to the nation via supporting agents of the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center in their attack upon the American Independent Party. Of course ” The Fool ” also supports such treason so it is no surprise that he declares an outright traitor like Noonan to be a ” patriot.” ” The Fool,” who claims he supports veterans, has hence come out openly on the same side as those who attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 resulting in the deaths of 34 sailors and the wounding of 171 more. I am sure those verterans and their families will appreciate the actions of ” The Fool ” in support of those who killed and wounded their fellow service members. Wherever you look regarding Alan Keyes, his criminal gang in California, and his lapdog poodle supporters you will find corruption, cowardice, betrayal, and treason. It is Standard Operating Procedure for these rodents.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  15. Don Grundmann

    ” lies, making it up as he goes along, with sneaky, unethical postings in Third Party Watch and Independent Political Report,”

    Response – Exactly the behavior of ” The Fool ” who has put up virtually countless postings with lies regarding Chelene Nightingale, Bill Lussenheide, and myself. Typical of a hypocritical rodent.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  16. Joe Murphy

    Hey Lake,

    Getting called a jerk by you is meaningless.. I dont know you and you dont know me. So whats this about me being on the darkside? You notice that I am not afraid to use my real name. What party has the pleasure of having you as a member?

  17. Spin, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    Liar, liar, liar, liar:

    “come out openly on the same side as those who attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 resulting in the deaths of 34 sailors and the wounding of 171 more ……..”

    I have been spot lighting these Israel First American Zionist traitors for decades! I was on the losing end of the fight over the Reform Party National Blog and print monthly viz a viz the Reform Party of California Zionists John Dennis Coffey, John Blare, John Bambey, and Valli Sharpe Geisler.

    The primary contention ???????? the USS Liberty!

    I have called out LP of California Israel First Zionists Bruce Cohen and Brian Holtz time and time again. You have not a feeble grasp of what you are talking about. (as usual ………)

  18. Don Grundmann

    ” I have been spot lighting these Israel First American Zionist traitors for decades!”

    Response to ” the Fool ” – And now you join them and sing their praises!!!! You defend them and attack the Constitution Party and the American Independent Party which are their enemies!!! You defend, support, and applaud their attacks upon the CP and the AIP!! You work to aid their attacks at EVERY opportunity!!!! You promote them at EVERY opportunity!!!!! And THEN you claim to OPPOSE them???? How sick is that?? What a crock!!!! You will attack them when it is politically expedient but then ( like a puppy dog/lap dog/parrot ) reverse course and reveal your true self by attacking those who are working to defend the nation against them. I just learned today that Robinson has openly declared himself as a Zionist. And yet YOU call him a ” patriot!!!!!” Incredible!!! The perfect demonstration of ” The Fool ” – claiming one thing ( to be against Israel Firsters ) and turning right around and stabbing anyone in the back who fights against their corruption!!! Typical of a hypocritical rodent!! Typical of ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  19. _

    CAN we discuss chelene nightingale’s bankruptcy?? I clearly would like to know how they will spin this blight on character and why she has not be upfront to discuss this. THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS OF CALIFORNIA deserve an answer and not from some a**hole named gruntman…who clearly is an imbecile ranting on these sights. Couls someone other that this jerk answer the questions about this “constitution aip candidate???

  20. Joe Murphy

    Lake,
    Are you calling me a liar? about what? With no disrespect to the USS Liberty crew, what does that have to do with me? I am not following you. Sorry you are so torn up about me saying “that was funny”, it was. I can joke about myself and not take it all personal. Why all the personal attacks?

  21. Spin, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    so you believe that Grundmann is the vp ?

    so you believe that there exist a California
    Constitution Party ?

    so you believe in the illogical non sense of
    the California KKKreeps, one of whom
    should be looking at Soladad or Leavenworth

  22. Cody Quirk

    Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Texas. Meeting was in Alabama.

    No Mississippi CP’ers? I’d expect Leslie Riley to be involved with this group.
    But again, this doesn’t surprise me. And its truly funny that Mark Seidenberg wants to get in touch with these people when I guarantee you that they’re not the ‘right kind of people’ for the A’i’P.

  23. Spin, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    Cody, you accuse Mark of misspelling your name when he in fact spelled it quite correctly. Lussenheide claims that the CP veterans out reach actually does some for former military other than devalue their sacrifices as a cynical dishonest partisan recruiting tool.

    And Grundmann, where to start, raving lunitic!

    Your comments about Seidenberg are just another example of ‘making it up as you go along’:

    [a] what will happen will happen

    [b] quit inserting your opinion as fact

    [c] quit calling truth tellers ‘liars’

    [e] you claim that the non existent
    California Constitution Party does
    exist

    [e] In 2008 you and Grundmann did
    ‘guaranteed’ me that it would be Pastor
    Chuck Baldwin on the California
    American Independent Party ballot

    [f] you are such an unethical, dishonest
    on going liar

  24. Don Grundmann

    ” – “/ Mark Seidenberg – Can we discuss your criminality and the criminality of Mark Robinson?? Thousands of people file for bankruptcy and it is not a criminal act to do so. ONLY THREE people; Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, and Ed Noonan; conspired to perform a criminal act of deliberately filing false documents with the state. Their criminality is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  25. Don Grundmann

    ” And of course Gruntman, King, Lauten, Quirk, Lussenhiede consider that she is sliced bread!”

    Response – On one side we have Chelene Nightingale – a honorable, intelligent, and extremely hard working lady who is fighting to save the state and nation from the countless attacks upon them. On the other hand we have ” The Fool ” – a walking turd who, above and beyond his continuous non-sensical lies against completely honorable people that he has no knowledge of in the slightest degree, claims to represent veterans but instead supports those who want to use them like cannon fodder. So we can support a true patriot or we can support ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  26. Cody Quirk

    Cody, you accuse Mark of misspelling your name when he in fact spelled it quite correctly.

    = My last name is not ‘Quark’ you retard! Maybe if you stop listening to the voices inside your head, you might actually make sense for once.

  27. Don Grundmann

    ” quit calling truth tellers ‘liars’”

    Response – Now yet again we have ” The Fool ” calling outright liars; the same people who deliberately filed false documents with the California Secretary of State office; ” truth tellers.” Incredible!!! Yet another in a galactically long line of absolutely nitwit blockhead bonehead moronic stupid idiotic statements. But what else can we expect from ” The Fool?”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  28. Don Grundmann

    ” devalue their sacrifices ”

    Response – 34 who died and 171 who were wounded in the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty have their sacrifices devalued by people who claim to defend them and then turn around and support those who unquestionably support their attackers against those who are working to defend the nation, and our veterans, against them. Typical of both the attackers and their defenders – claim to defend veterans and the nation while putting a knife in the back of both.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  29. Trent Hill Post author

    “Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Texas. Meeting was in Alabama.”

    I’ve got word that LA and Virginia aren’t really interested in any disaffiliation measures (Just one guy from LA, basically, the former chairman).

    Georgia has been threatening to disaffiliate ever since the Peroutka/Hansen controversy. They haven’t yet, though they might at some point in the future. The truth is that they’re a do nothing party that hasn’t ever been on the ballot, hasn’t ever put forward a decent candidate, hasn’t ever raised decent money, and is ALWAYS causing problems.

    North Carolina and Texas (or part of Texas, there is a dispute over leadership) have similarly not had ballot access since 1992. Neither group raises money or attracts significant activism or registration numbers/votes, so their disaffiliation really wouldn’t be that big of a deal either.

    The biggest deal to the National CP right now should be finding a 2012 Presidential candidate (and Goode seems to be on that shortlist) and getting back the California AIP.

  30. Kevin

    North Carolina was not represented at the southern states meeting. Someone from our party attended without permission and was fond out after they attended. If that person said they came on behalf of NC they lied. North Carolina is serious about getting on the ballot by 2012. We already have men willing to run for office and have never been this organized before.
    If anyone wants to donate for ballot access please do so at our website : http://constitutionpartync.com

    Personaly, I think its time to get a new Chairman. Clymer, hasnt grown the party a whole lot and I think the Constitution Party could really make a impact in 2010 and 2012.

  31. paulie

    Someone from our party attended without permission and was fond out after they attended.

    Are your members required to seek permission to attend public meetings?

    If that person said they came on behalf of NC they lied.

    I don’t remember her claiming to speak on behalf of your state party. I just mentioned what all states people were from is all.

  32. paulie

    And its truly funny that Mark Seidenberg wants to get in touch with these people when I guarantee you that they’re not the ‘right kind of people’ for the A’i’P.

    From what I can tell, there is some sympathy for the Keyes faction among the group I met with. So I wouldn’t rule that out.

  33. Gary Odom

    Kevin,

    If North Carolina never shows up at National Committee Meetings you all are going to have a tough time having any say about anything, including the next chairman, when the time comes in 2012. Please make sure your state is represented at the next meeting, scheduled in Dallas, in November.

    Yikes…Dallas…in November? Oh well.

    The North Carolina CP has made very impressive gains within the state over the past two years and deserves great credit for their efforts and their advances, including, but not limited to, their ballot access project for 2012. It hasn’t yet been possible for the national party to give financial assistance to this effort, but I hope that those in North Carolina will keep up the good work and that circumstancs will allow the national party and individual CP members from around the country to give meaningful support to this project over the coming couple of years.

    Gary Odom,
    Vice-Chairman, American Independent Party of
    California….(oops, that was in the 80’s–twice—never thought it would be such coveted title, way back then). And for the record and for what it is worth, Don Grundmann is the properly elected current Vice-Chairman of the AIP, recognized by 99% of the state AIP party members, activists and leaders and 100% of those who have built the party over the last 40 years.

  34. Spin, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    The incident again shows the
    lack of ethics among some of
    the bible beaters.

    donlake@ymail.com takes
    pains to find the truth and
    present a fact filled blog.
    What ever tiffs he has with
    minor party folks pales
    against the rage toward the
    Duopoly Establishment!

    Look at the FACTS.

    Lake, with his independent
    contacts and connections,
    declares that not only is
    big bad California and big
    bad Texas not in the CP
    orbit, but other entities
    are looking else where!

    Inspite of Odom’s and
    Grundmann’s and Quirk’s
    spinning, Lake’s state
    ments still stand!

    But on the other hand,
    the truth is resilient and
    resistant!

  35. Spin, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    ody Quirk // May 13, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Cody, you accuse Mark of misspelling your name when he in fact spelled it quite correctly.

    = My last name is not ‘Quark’ you retard!

    Cody, the physical facts are that he spelled your name correctly upon that occasion. It is there on the ether, in electronic concrete, for further examination.

    = Maybe if you stop listening to the voices inside your head, you might actually make sense for once.

    Are you directing the second comment to me or to yourself …………

  36. Spin, spin, spin, spin .......... Lake

    Grundmann: “Chelene Nightingale – a honorable, intelligent, and extremely hard working lady who is fighting to save the state and nation from the countless attacks upon them ……..”

    (a) not my experience

    (b) a half a dozen contacts agree with me

    (c) we voiced our concerns early and often

  37. Mark Seidenberg

    Gary Odom,

    Have you lost it. Jim Clymer at the Kansas City
    Convention ruled over the objection of Spirkoff
    and Deemer, that I was the head of the Caliifornia Delegation because I was Vice Chairman of the AIP.

    Don Grundmann and Jim King have not been on the State Central Committee of AIP since September 2, 2008. My term as Vice Chairman
    last day is September 2, 2010 if I am not reelected.

    You say that Don Grundmann is recognized as Vice Chairman by 99% of the State Party Member of the AIP. How would you know such
    a fact, viz., 99 persons of a every 100 person
    in the AIP recogize Don Grundmann as a Vice
    Chairman. On the other hand 100 % of Debra
    Bowen (the California Secretary of State) recogize Mark Seidenberg as the Vice Chairman.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affilated with the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.
    this plan is crazy

  38. Don Grundmann

    ” Gary Odom, a proud graduate of the Space Cadet Cody Quirk ‘making it up as you go along’
    school of dysinformation ”

    Response – Another extremely honorable man that ” The Fool ” knows nothing about and smears by doing exactly what he says Gary is doing – making it up as he goes along ( just like his fellow lying friends ).

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  39. Don Grundmann

    ” Lake’s statements still stand! ”

    Response – Because Lake is ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  40. Don Grundmann

    ” a half a dozen contacts agree with me ”

    Response – 7 fools that agree with each other. A parade of fools. Chelene has received the endorsement of Tom Tancredo; a man whose word is far more important and valuable than that of ” The Fool ” could ever be.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  41. Don Grundmann

    ” How would you know such a fact, viz., 99 persons of a every 100 person in the AIP recogize Don Grundmann as a Vice Chairman.”

    Response – Because 99%++ of the AIP recognize that Mark Seidenberg is an ultra corrupt lying rat coward traitor.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  42. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    (more proof that it is not just the ‘Four Horse Men’ whom are unhappy with Nightingale, Lussenhiede, Breazeale, King, Cody, Grundmann and the non existent California Constitution Party:)

    Robert Wilkins says:

    “I have read some troubling reports about Chelene Nightingale for governor 2010 AIP ……… its being reported and documents posted of her personal bankruptcy filing last year..her campaign wishes to conceal this..I do not feel this is wise Voters should know whom they are voting for ……….”

    Posted On: Wednesday, May. 19 2010

  43. Don Lake and the seeds for west coast scandal .....

    Trent Hill // May 12, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Cody,

    Yes. Basically the group includes a lot of states that have never had ballot access and a lot of states that haven’t done anything in years (Louisiana included)

    ******** so what, Don Lake said that out side of California and Texas other CP organization were thinking of bolting. You have said nothing that counter balances Lake’s information! So I guess you agree with Lake! ********

    12 Cody Quirk // May 13, 2010 at 12:
    “then its not too much of a big deal; I’m aware of who some of these people are, and they’re not exactly popular with the national party in general.”

    ******** so what, Don Lake said that out side of California and Texas other CP organization were thinking of bolting. You have said nothing that counter balances Lake’s information! So I guess you agree with Lake! ********

  44. Don Grundmann

    ” Robert Wilkins says:

    “I have read some troubling reports about Chelene Nightingale for governor 2010 AIP ……… its being reported and documents posted of her personal bankruptcy filing last year..her campaign wishes to conceal this..I do not feel this is wise Voters should know whom they are voting for ……….””

    Response – to ” The Fool ” – So you take the comments of a rodent which are just recycled comments of SeidenRat and claim that it is something new. Chelene has done nothing to ” conceal ” her bankruptcy. YOU, as the god dammed lying rat that you are, have, along with SeidenRat, worked to conceal the deliberate filing of fake papers by Robinson, a far more corrupt and truly criminal action than a common bankruptcy. There are far more, and all valid compared to the fake lies attacking Chelene, ” troubling reports ” regarding MarkRat Robinson. If ” Voters should know who they are voting for ” then why do you work to help SeidenRat conceal the total corruption of Robinson? Answer – Because you are a total rat yourself. What a stupid and revolting scumbag you are!!

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  45. Don Lake and the seeds for west coast scandal .....

    TWO MORE POSTERS UNHAPPY WITH TROUBLED AND TROUBLING AIP CANDIDATE CHELENE WARD NIGHTINGALE:

    ************dawn baldwin February 04, 2010 1:34 PM
    Chelene Nightingale for Governor campaign is rife with fraud. Please do not donate to this. The money donated is used to live on by these people. Read about Chelene Nightingales activities with the Minutemen and other radical groups. She is a slick con trying to dupe people that this is a real campaign. THE AIP American Independent party Does NOT want her to run under their title. She has bullied her way to get on the primary ballot. Charles manson would be a better candidate than her.

    ***********Jim McCoy February 23, 2010 9:10 PM
    Chelene Nightingale for governor has NO experience in running anything other than a Protest Group on street corners. She was with sos a quasi hate group against immigrants. Please, this is a joke candidate right? lol We need real solutions not TIME WASTERS> THANKS

  46. Don Grundmann

    Yet again we have ” The Fool ” in comment #58 above quoting Mark Seidenberg writing under yet more fake names. 2 lying rodents who totally support each other in their stupidity and corruption. Chelene Nightingale; a woman of honor, dignity, integrity, and class; will defeat her rodent opponent; Mark Robinson, an ultra corrupt lying traitor to the nation; in the June 8th primary. She will carry the banner of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party, to victory against the corruption faction of Robinson/Seidenberg which is supported by ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

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