Florida “Tea Party” Republicans Prohibit Constitution Party Senate Candidate from Setting Up at Constitution Rally

From Ocala.com via TPID:

The U.S. Senate candidate from the Constitution Party [Bernie DeCastro] had hoped to speak to a bunch of people who swear fealty to the U.S. Constitution and who will gather today in St. Augustine to celebrate the nation’s founding charter at an event held under the headline “Forward With the Constitution.” But that candidate is not going to deliver his speech.

In fact, he was rejected from even having a booth to meet the crowd that will gather at Francis Field, where a coalition of Tea Party activists from North Central Florida, including some from Ocala and Gainesville, will rally to celebrate the Constitution.

41 thoughts on “Florida “Tea Party” Republicans Prohibit Constitution Party Senate Candidate from Setting Up at Constitution Rally

  1. Because

    Because.. he is a 3rd party candidate.

    When are you going to learn that 3rd party candidates are spoilers…

    Just because he is a “constitution party” candidate means nothing, he is a 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE

  2. paulie Post author

    When are you going to learn that 3rd party candidates are spoilers…

    Democrats and Republicans (sorry for repeating myself) are the spoilers. You can’t spoil what’s already rotten.

  3. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Having just taken in some sun tea / green tea for my little posse in sunny (finally) southern california, it occurred to me that anti establishment environmentally award activists might want to separate from the GOP moles of the TEA Parties fuax movement and form the Coffee Party.

    Oh, they might just be Dem moles! Hmmmmmm, the Green Tea Party, may be?

  4. Cody Quirk

    When are you going to learn that 3rd party candidates are spoilers…

    = Because they spoil the way of life for the fascist two-party system.

    This doesn’t surprise me, either major party throws out the first amendment when the little guy tries to make a statement.

  5. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    could not agree with cody and paulie more ………

    thugs, thugs, thugs

    Quirk: “This doesn’t surprise me, either major party throws out the first amendment when the little guy tries to make a statement.”

    Lake: or beleaguered government agencies

    [a] especially when the little guy is telling the truth

    [b] especially when the little guy has documentation

    [c] especially when crush comes to crunch ——- spend some bucks, have an independent court reporter!

  6. Keith R Deschler

    Look what the GOP has done in Wisconsin.Kept CP Senate candidate Rob Taylor out of the Johnson-Feingold debates. Just like this guy in Florida…the only one running who will REPEAL 1913 (Income tax, Federal Reserve especially), and move us toward a constitutional federal government.Johnson is full of stock, vague GOP “talking points”, but REDUCING GOVERNMENT is not one of them.

  7. Dennis

    @Don Lake;

    Here in NJ there is both a liberal “COFFEE PARTY” movement, and a candidate running on the self-formed “GREEN TEA PARTY” ticket.

    -DENNIS

  8. Raul

    At one point in history, the republicans were the 3rd party. Maybe “Because” should study some history before making comments like that. And what the heck does it matter if he’s a 3rd party candidate or not? He simply wanted to set-up a booth and be able to interact with the people at this rally. What’s wrong with that? He has the right to do so, just as much as the republicans! That was a dirty move, where’s the media outcry for freedom of speech!

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  10. Mark Seidenberg

    In California, the American Independent Party
    has a problem with a RINO (registered Republican in name only in 2009) re-registering
    as an AIPINO (registered as American Independent in name only) and runs for Governor as AIP while being a paid member of
    the Constiution Party.

    My mistake, I forgot to state she is an airhead. She spell Republican In Name Only as Rhino
    on many posts.

    She gets 24,000 votes in the primary out of a
    total registration of well over 397,000 voters.
    The 2010 convention of the AIP votes to not
    have a candidate for Governor, because she is
    such an airhead. In fact she published that illegal
    aliens cost the people of the State of California each year 12 million dollars, viz., less than 34 and one half cents a year for every person living
    in California.

    Can any poster guess who that person is? She just spent 8 days on a trek from Fresno to Sacramento without being interviewed by any
    local member of the press in route.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.

  11. Hint: Not The Brain

    Mr. Seidenberg:

    “She gets 24,000 votes in the primary out of a
    total registration of well over 397,000 voters.
    The 2010 convention of the AIP votes to not
    have a candidate for Governor, ”

    How many voters at that convention?

    How many voted in your previous primary for governor? How about the one before that? Last 5?

  12. Red Phillips

    I’m not sure why Mark S. decided to post that on this thread, but H:NTB asks a good question. How many poeple were at the convention of the Keyes faction AIP?

    An actual number would be appreciated. Not some evasion on how you can’t answer my question because you don’t concede there are factions blah, blah, blah…

  13. Mark Seidenberg

    Red Phillips,

    I know of no Keyes faction in the AIP. The only
    faction I heard any talk about on the web is the
    “KING FACTION”. Back in Kansas City in 2008,
    Jim King was backing Alan Keyes, and his vote was recorded for Alan Keyes.

    I am not in a faction or gang. I am the Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan since June 27, 2008.

    P.S. The Constitution Party is past history of the
    American Independent Party.

  14. Red Phillips

    I said: “An actual number would be appreciated. Not some evasion on how you can’t answer my question because you don’t concede there are factions blah, blah, blah…”

    Mark S said: #14 above.

    Dude, I’ve got you so pegged. It seems to me though that you would at least make an effort to muster up an actual answer if for no other reason than to prove me wrong. Come on Mark. You can do it. I believe you have it in you. For your sake I will remove the faction reference. How many people attended the convention of the Real Authentic Genuine national A’sIP affiliated CA AIP?

  15. Cody Quirk

    My mistake, I forgot to state she is an airhead. She spell Republican In Name Only as Rhino
    on many posts.

    = Very nice Mark, I like the grammar, its almost like Mr. Lake’s.

    She gets 24,000 votes in the primary out of a
    total registration of well over 397,000 voters.
    The 2010 convention of the AIP votes to not
    have a candidate for Governor, because she is
    such an airhead. In fact she published that illegal
    aliens cost the people of the State of California each year 12 million dollars, viz., less than 34 and one half cents a year for every person living
    in California.

    = Yet only 17,000+ people voted for Robinson, lets not be a hypocrite, Mark.

    How much did the GOP pay you guys?

  16. Cody Quirk

    I know of no Keyes faction in the AIP.

    = Then you obviously don’t know yourself very well, LOL!

    The only
    faction I heard any talk about on the web is the
    “KING FACTION”. Back in Kansas City in 2008,
    Jim King was backing Alan Keyes, and his vote was recorded for Alan Keyes.

    = That’s right, but he sure changed his mind after what Ed Noonan and the rest of your gang did.

  17. Cody Quirk

    Red,

    I’ve already come to the conclusion that Seidenberg, Robinson, and possibly Noonan are GOP agents working to suppress their own party and help the GOP in the elections. Seidenberg is good friends with Gary Creep, a lawyer and a GOP activist, for one. Markham Robinson also has a ton of GOP links on his ‘Christian Political Theory’ website for another.

    http://christianpoliticaltheory.com/Links/PartisanSites.htm

    And after all, they insist in not having the majority of the AIP winners of the Primary running for office so they can help Meg Whitman and other Republican candidates win races in California.
    Of course, the state election laws prevents them from doing just that to the winners of the AIP primary.

    They deny AIP members who have been with the party for many, many years the right to vote, or even to attend their ‘meetings’ they have, and even ‘banned’ them from the state committee over petty, minor things.

    Seidenberg will never give you a straight answer because there are certain things he and his GOP comrades in the AIP cannot make excuses for.

  18. paulie Post author

    MS

    How many voters at your convention?
    How many voted in your previous 5 gov primaries?
    How many voted in your primary for any other state office?

  19. Cody Quirk

    Plus Seidenberg keeps on avoiding the fact that Markham Robinson did poorly in the AIP Gubernatorial Primary compared to Chelene Nightingale. Robinson only got little over 17,000 votes compared to Nightingale getting 24,000 plus votes.

    All Seidenberg can do is whine about how the majority of AIP registered voters didn’t vote for Nightingale to cover up how an even larger majority of AIP registered voters didn’t vote for Robinson either.

    Then again, Seidenberg won’t own up it to because he is obviously a GOP agent and as long as he and his associates keep the AIP down, fractured, and looking ridiculous to Californians, then they are all set and can ignore our questions and criticisms.

  20. Mark Seidenberg

    News on Dr. Don Grundmann’s Constitution Party of California As of September 3, 2010
    the total statewide registration is 72.

    Here is the list by counties:

    Amador………………..3
    Contra Costa…………10
    El Dorado………………7
    Nevada………………….7
    San Mateo……………..2
    Santa Barbara…………5
    Santa Clara……………24
    Santa Cruz………………7
    Solano……………………1
    Tulare……………………1
    Yolo………………………5

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008,

  21. Mark Seidenberg

    On September 3, 2010, the American Independent Pary registration is up to a total of
    399,152 for the State of California. Sierra County AIP Registration gave the party a 4.96%
    registration, viz., almost 5 percent of total rgistration.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan since June 27, 2008.

  22. Don Grundmann

    Red – I was told that 17 people attended the ” convention ” of the Robinson/Seidenberg criminal enterprise. There would have been many more at their ” convention ” but they had to limit the vote; i.e.; deny the vote to at least twice their number of attendees; so that they could save their criminal enterprise from destruction – for now.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  23. Don Grundmann

    A) American Independent Party registration is up because of Chelene Nightingale. B) The Constitution Party has grown without any marketing of any type. C) People will shortly begin to fall away from the AIP and go to the CP because they will come to realize ever more clearly that the state recognized portion of it; i.e; the Robinson/Seidenberg criminal enterprise; is just that – a criminal organization and a complete fake which is composed of traitors to the nation and enemies of humanity. I will continue to expose Robinson and Seidenberg as the traitors to the nation that they are. The CP will replace the AIP because it is founded on American principles and not on lies as with the Robinson gang.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  24. JT

    Mark: “On September 3, 2010, the American Independent Pary registration is up to a total of
    399,152 for the State of California.”

    I’d wager money that very few people actually attend an AIP convention, Paulie. Many AIP registrants aren’t *really* party members; they’re just people who checked off a box on a voter registration form mistakenly thinking they’re registering as “independents”. If the AIP called itself the Ultra-Conservative Party or the Right-Wing Reactionary Party–which at least wouldn’t be deceptive–I bet most of those voter registrations would disappear in short order.

    I read a while back that the Libertarian Party has fewer registered voters nationwide than the number the ultra-conservative AIP claims it has in just California, which isn’t exactly a bastion of social conservatism. Sound plausible to you?

  25. paulie Post author

    JT,

    I’m well aware of who actually makes up the bulk of AIP registered voters in CA…I personally registered tens of thousands of voters there (no exaggeration…I’ve had weeks when I did over a thousand, and my best day was over 250).

    But rather than argue about it, I just want some questions answered.

    I think we got an answer to one of the questions from Mr. Grundmann – I’ll take that as the correct answer unless Mr. Seidenberg has a different answer: seventeen (17) voters at the convention.

    The remaining questions again:

    1. How many voters in each of the last 5 CA AIP primaries for Governor?

    2. I believe the CA AIP is running some other candidates for state office, yes? How many votes did they get in the primary?

    3. What is the most votes any candidate for any state office got in the AIP primary in the last 20 years? 2nd most? 3rd most?

    kthx

  26. Cody Quirk

    On September 3, 2010, the American Independent Pary registration is up to a total of
    399,152 for the State of California. Sierra County AIP Registration gave the party a 4.96%
    registration, viz., almost 5 percent of total rgistration.

    = Funny, IAP voter registration in Esmeralda County is at 8.05%

    You guys suck compared to us!

  27. JT

    Paulie: “I’m well aware of who actually makes up the bulk of AIP registered voters in CA…I personally registered tens of thousands of voters there (no exaggeration…I’ve had weeks when I did over a thousand, and my best day was over 250).

    But rather than argue about it, I just want some questions answered. ”

    Well, I didn’t expect that post to evoke what seems like an annoyed response from you, lol. But I guess if you spent a lot of time registering people with the AIP, then you’d be annoyed if I said many don’t know what they’re really doing.

    I’m honestly curious though about how one registers all of those people. Did you give them copies of a platform, ask them to read it, and then ask if they wanted to register with that party or something like that? What was the process? I’ve never done that, and I’d sincerely like to know.

    Regardless, most people who fill out a voter register form and just check a party box aren’t active with that party in any way. And if what Don said is accurate about the convention attendees, I was right on at least that count.

  28. paulie Post author

    But I guess if you spent a lot of time registering people with the AIP, then you’d be annoyed if I said many don’t know what they’re really doing.

    LOL. I see how my statement was open to misinterpretation. I never registered AIP voters as part of any deal with AIP. I did have deals with the Republican and Peace and Freedom parties in CA, which was the bulk of those registrations, as well as did a lot of general non-partisan registration in conjunction with initiatives, referenda, recalls, etc.

    And, I was not annoyed, in fact the vast overwhelming majority of people that registered AIP with me did so thinking they were registering independent. Unlike many other people, I took the time to explain to them that it was actually a political party started to support Alabama segregationist Gov. George Wallace. Some people then thanked me and filled out a new form as Decline to State a political party voters, but many said it didn’t really matter how they are registered and turned those forms in as AIP voters.

    I’m honestly curious though about how one registers all of those people. Did you give them copies of a platform, ask them to read it, and then ask if they wanted to register with that party or something like that? What was the process? I’ve never done that, and I’d sincerely like to know.

    Typically the easiest way is to stop them with a petition, then start registering them or updating their registration while they are signing the petition(s), then ask them to register with whichever party is paying so as to do you a favor, and making sure they understand that they still get a secret ballot and vote any way they want and are free to change their party later at any time. There are a lot of variations to that.

    In AZ I did some for the Libertarians, and handed out Libertarian pamphlets and bumper stickers while registering people, but I did not do that for the Rs or P&Fs in CA since I don’t really support those parties.

  29. JT

    Paulie: “And, I was not annoyed, in fact the vast overwhelming majority of people that registered AIP with me did so thinking they were registering independent. Unlike many other people, I took the time to explain to them that it was actually a political party started to support Alabama segregationist Gov. George Wallace. Some people then thanked me and filled out a new form as Decline to State a political party voters, but many said it didn’t really matter how they are registered and turned those forms in as AIP voters.”

    I’m glad I misunderstood, Paulie, and you weren’t rankled by my comments. What you said supports my view of AIP registrations. I’m sure the AIP has many registered voters who do in fact subscribe to the party’s overall agenda, but it’s not the majority of AIP registered voters.

    Given that many people have no idea what the AIP really is and think it’s just the independent option, I think it’s very dishonest for AIP officials to pretend as though all of the people who register are actually ultra-conservative reactionaries. Just change the name to the Christian Ultra-Conservative Party, and then brag about the voter registrations you’ve got.

  30. paulie Post author

    I’m sure the AIP has many registered voters who do in fact subscribe to the party’s overall agenda,

    About 1.3-1.4% in my experience. Although, I’m told a substantial number of the original AIP registrants from the 1960s and early 1970s are still alive and still registered AIP, so perhaps those are far more in tune with the AIP message than the new AIP registrants I encountered in the field.

  31. Cody Quirk

    At least in our state, the voters here are better educated on politics and are knowingly giving up the two-party ghost for us.

  32. Frank

    Just another example of the failure of the two party system. the republicans are pulling this same crap with members of the Florida Tea Party. Both parties aren’t concerned with freedom anymore. They just want to keep the power they have accumulated. We really need something new, like the Tea Party. In November vote for REAL change we can believe in, vote TEA.

  33. Cody Quirk

    We really need something new, like the Tea Party. In November vote for REAL change we can believe in, vote TEA.

    = No, you need to vote for something that’s already there as a alternative- the Constitution Party!

  34. Jimmy Tran

    I think the Tea Party in Florida has it right, the only way the Tea Party can remain a force for good is to stay outside the republican party. The democrats are trying to destroy them, and the republicans are trying to co-opt them, they must be doing something right.

  35. Shirley

    Peg Dunmire is the Tea Party candidate for Alan Grayson’s seat. Check her out at: Dunmireforcongress.com. Vote all the bums out! Go Tea.

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