Stone-Connected Mailer Attacks Warren Redlich

This may be one of the most vicious attack ads of the season.

redlich mailer.jpg

The NY Daily News reports:

This grossly false and damaging flier, accusing Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Warren Redlich of being a dangerous “sexual predator” and credited to “People For A Safer New York,” is being circulated in the Capitol Region and perhaps beyond. Redlich, as you can read below, has naturally condemned the material…

The backstory is that this seems to come out of a comment Redlich made on his “Stop Wasting Money” blog about the “hubbub” over racy pictures of Miley Cyrus, which reads, in part, ” If you look at literature like Shakespeare, and at some historical figures like Sir William Johnson (a prominent pre-revolutionary leader in New York), you get the impression that it used to be normal for men, even much older men, to be interested in teenage girls.”

The political angle: Roger Stone, top advisor to Anti-Prohibition Party gubernatorial candidate Kristin Davis, told CapCon he encouraged this group to send out the material.

When I asked him why, he said: “Everything they say appears to me to 100% accurate. As a grandfather with two grandaughters I find his comments regarding sex with underage girls
offensive and disgusting… The public needs to be educated as to what kind of man Warren Redlich is.” (Stone specified, I should say, that the lit was not distributed by the Davis campaign.)

It’s interesting to me to note that at the big Hofstra gubernatorial debate, more than a few people came away thinking that while Andrew Cuomo appeared most governor-like and the Rent Is Too Damn High candidate, Jimmy McMillan, was most entertaining, Redlich actually put in a performance that was both substantive and showed a healthy sense of humor.

Stone, as you know, has worked not only with Davis, but with Carl Paladino, who did not get great reviews after the event.

I see two motives for Stone’s move.

1) Redlich is likely to split votes with the ideologically similar (although distinct on some issues) Kristin Davis. Destroying Redlich’s credibility could encourage his supporters into the Davis camp. The Albany Times-Union provides some suppport of this conclusion:

Everyone who has contacted me about the flyer has been disgusted by it, and one reader noted it landed in his mail box the same day as a flyer supporting Kristen Davis, the Anti-Prohibition Party candidate. The two mailers share the same postal permit.

2) Stone is still angry about the emails Redlich leaked to the press. The emails contained many revelations about the strategies behind the Davis and Paladino campaigns, including Stone’s idea that Davis could indirectly help Paladino by pulling votes from Cuomo via socially liberal positions.

54 thoughts on “Stone-Connected Mailer Attacks Warren Redlich

  1. paulie

    Motive #3: Paladino is tanking, and Redlich is starting to look like a no-cost vote to many libertarians and conservatives who don’t usually vote Libertarian.

    The Cuomo-Paladino race looks about as suspenseful as a Globetrotters game.

  2. RedPhillips

    This is outrageous. It implies that Redlich is a convicted sex offender instead of someone who was voicing an opinion however controversial. Telling people to call the police if they simply see Redlich near a school or in their neighborhood is grossly irresponsible.

    Is it potentially criminal to instruct people to call the police for an invalid reason?

  3. paulie

    Response from Redlich at http://wredlich.com/ny/

    Warren Redlich for New York Governor
    Warren Redlich is the only candidate who will:

    * Cut spending
    * Eliminate several state agencies including corporate welfare
    * Cap bureaucrat pay and pensions

    Watch our Videos and listen to Radio Interviews.

    Find out more: About Warren, the Issues, and opponents Andrew Cuomo and Carl Paladino.

    Offensive Mailer
    28 October 2010, 3:56 pm

    We would like to thank the many people who have contacted us about an offensive mailer they received. The mailer, which attacks Warren, is obviously false. We are taking appropriate measures to deal with it and can’t say more about that.

    We will not let this distract us from the campaign. It is obvious that certain people, particularly in the Paladino campaign, would like to take us off our message. We won’t let that happen.

  4. paulie

    And via facebook

    We would like to thank the many people who have contacted us about an offensive mailer they received. The mailer makes outrageously false and shocking statements about me (such as “Call the police if you see him in your neighborhood”). The most disturbing part is that it includes my home address, which creates a threat to my family. We are taking appropriate measures to deal with it and can’t say more about that.

    We will not let this distract us from the campaign. It is obvious that certain people would like to take us off our message. That won’t happen.

    Please keep spreading the word – that New York needs to stop wasting money.

    Thanks again,
    Warren

  5. paulie

    Although obviously no one wants a flier put out in the area they live that tells people they are a sexual predator, in a way this is a “good thing” for Redlich, as it shows the bigger, dirtier players in politics take him seriously enough to attack him with low blows. Such a “privilege” is usually reserved for serious players.

  6. Thomas L. Knapp

    As a “public figure,” Redlich probably can’t sue for libel.

    On the other hand, the flier incites people to sic armed abductors on Redlich under false pretenses, so if he broke Stone’s jaw and then dragged him to the toiled to give him a swirlie, I’d be inclined to regard it as retaliatory rather than initiated force. And I’d buy Redlich a beer.

  7. paulie

    From

    http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/33677/stone-i-pushed-for-redlich-mailer/


    Everyone who has contacted me about the flyer has been disgusted by it, and one reader noted it landed in his mail box the same day as a flyer supporting Kristen (sic) Davis, the Anti-Prohibition Party candidate. The two mailers share the same postal permit. Redlich was not seeking coverage of this, and we abided by his request to redact his home address.

    “It’s an absolute disgrace,” he said. “Nothing I’ve ever written would qualify me as a sexual predator more than it would qualify William Shakespeare as a sexual predator…I think discussing what I wrote is attacking the victim. The fact that I think the Miley Cyrus story was overblown does not make me a predator, and it’s not even close.”

    “Being a candidate, shouldn’t subject a candidate’s children to this kind of abuse,” he added.

    I asked Roger Stone, a self-avowed political dirty trickster and Davis’ campaign manager, if he knew about the mailer. (The sex predator flier came from a group called “People for a Safer New York” that I can’t find a record for.)

    “I’ve seen both mailers, I think that they’re both accurate. People for a Safer New York is called a first amendment group,” Stone told me by phone. “I’m in touch with them. Who are they? They’re a first amendment organization I urged them to do this, this is a first amendment issue.”

    He defended the flier, even though he declined to claim credit for it when I asked him. (Or otherwise characterize how heavily involved with this he is.)

    “Let’s be very clear: everything here is 100 percent legal, everything here is 100 percent accurate,” Stone said. “As somebody who has two granddaughters, I really find Redlich’s advocacy and defense of sex with underrate girls disgusting and repugnant, and voters need to know about it prior to voting on Tuesday.”

    The exact circulation is not known; Redlich estimates a few hundred went out, and he’s gotten calls from around the state. Redlich said “no comment” about taking legal action.

    “I don’t want this story spread because I have children,” Redlich said on the radio. “Let’s be clear about my sick alternative lifestyle: I’ve been married for 15 years, I have two children, I live in suburbia on a cul de sac and my kids go to public school.”

    “It’s a horrific smear and it’s designed to take the discussion away from the change we need in Albany,” Redlich said. “This is a prime example of why we need change in Albany. Politics is full of sewer rats like Stone and Michael Caputo,” Paladino’s campaign manager and a Stone protege.

  8. Kimberly Wilder

    I truly believe that this flier was an attempt to silence Redlich and to torpedo his campaign done as a nearly direct response to Warren Redlich’s success at the Hofstra Governor debate.

    It is sad that this vicious, overblown, dangerous flier was put out.

    I do hope that after the election, for the sake of our democracy, and to make sure a precedent of safety and decency is set, that the police and/or courts go after everyone responsible for the flier.

    I also hope that Libertarians realize that they should rally behind Warren Redlich even more now.

  9. George Phillies

    The next time some Republican blowhard asks one of your fellow Libertarians to withdraw, shove this in his face as an explanation of why cooperation with Republicans is impossible and unacceptable.

  10. silly putty

    This shows how juvenile and sophomoric Roger Stone truly is. Stone regularly engages in all facets of gay sex, sex with transvestites, and S&M, so he is completely disqualified from having any opinion about anyone’s sexual predilictions. Stone is the source for this mailer and Safer NY group is one of his fronts.

  11. paulie

    Stone regularly engages in all facets of gay sex, sex with transvestites, and S&M, so he is completely disqualified from having any opinion about anyone’s sexual predilictions.

    Is any of Stone’s sexual behavior not with consenting adults?

    I’ve seen no evidence that any of Redlich’s sexual behavior is not with consenting adults, or for that matter even not with his wife. And, he raises completely valid points in the essay that apparently set Stone off. Stone’s attack is obviously a low blow.

    But, there’s nothing logically inconsistent in having sex with gay men, concensual S&M and sex with transvestites and yet opposing sex with children. If Stone has non-concensual sex or sex with anyone who is unable to give informed consent, that would be inconsistent. If he condemns gay sex and sadomasochism yet practices them, that would also be inconsistent. Thus far I have no evidence of any such inconsistency.


    Stone is the source for this mailer and Safer NY group is one of his fronts.

    That seems pretty obvious, yes.

  12. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    George Shrub Senior, may he rot in hell: parolee guidelines and dirty Boston Bay, P1988 ——- both FEDERAL, not state, bailey wickes.

    Lying, cheating, deception works! (And you wonder why so many of us find Nightmare Nightingale off putting?)

  13. George Tatevosyan

    Roger Stone! Ladies and gentlemen, Roger Stone, oh yes! Let’s have another round of applause, and another round ! L-o-o-o-o-v-e you, you are New York politics personified!
    You’re a class act, babe and so are the candidates you are consulting! I think that your clients should shop a cable tv ‘reality show’ called ‘the madam and the mad man’. “Rent too damn high guy” can be the show’s host, Warren Redlich and Howie Hawking ‘can’t even showboat into a camera’, that’s why political pundits on cable tv can’t mention either of their names on the air in coverage of the NY gov election. Seriously, it sounds like a money maker to me Roger. I’m just an ‘idea guy’, you’re the man who can make it happen, so feel free to ‘take all the credit’!

  14. Dr. Tom Stevens

    Re: 19

    Of course you are correct. The flyer is not old news but the issue is. Davis raised this issue and put out a flyer prior to the NYLP State Convention in April. Sam Sloan distributed a flyer on the issue at the convention and I report on it in July.

    This issue has been alive for a long time and this latest flyer is just the last manifestation of it.

  15. paulie

    I’d say it’s more than just a manifestation. Circulating fake sex offender leaflets takes it to a whole new level.

    An equivalent attack might accuse the two candidates Mr. Stone is working with, Mr. Paladino and Ms. Davis, of bestiality – Davis said she had nothing against it in principle during the course of a light hearted interview, and Paladino mass-forwarded an email that featured a woman having sex with a horse.

    However, there is no evidence that they are personally involved in practicing bestiality, and it would be just as wrong to suggest such a thing as to falsely accuse Mr. Redlich of being a child molester.

  16. Be Rational

    Warren Redlich can actually sue over this flier. After the election, he should take action against its authors and producers.

    Although it is generally harder for pulic officials and candidates to sue, this flier rises beyond the level of allowed attacks. As I see it: 1) the information contained in the flier is a lie, 2) the lie was obviously known to be a lie by the person producing the flier, 3) the lie was deliberately malicious in intent, 4) the lie was intended to deceive voters and harm its victim. There should be a number of legal avenues to pursue against those involved.

  17. paulie

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/31/AR2010103101954.html

    The Associated Press
    Sunday, October 31, 2010; 12:05 PM

    ALBANY, N.Y. — The wife of a Libertarian running for New York governor race is speaking out against an anonymous mailer that depicted her husband as the subject of a “sexual predator alert.”

    No one has claimed responsibility for the mailer that is estimated to have gone to a few hundred addresses in New York. It calls Libertarian candidate Warren Redlich a danger to children and neighborhoods, and it gives his home address.

    On Sunday Redlich’s wife, Heather Redlich, issued a lengthy statement saying the political hit caused her to fear for the safety of her children.

    She says her friends and neighbors in the Albany area received the mailer.

    She says her husband never committed a crime and families have no reason to fear.

  18. Daniel Surman

    I am not sure why the AP article claims nobody knows who sent it. The group was a front group, and Stone has already admitted he encouraged the ‘group’ to send it. Coupled with the fact it came at the same time as a Davis mailer, it would take a pretty daft reporter to be unable to figure out who did it.

  19. paulie

    Actually looking at that again their statement is literally correct: “No one has claimed responsibility for the mailer.” Stone has not admitted it, although he also has not denied it either, and the evidence is pretty strong.

  20. Dr. Tom Stevens

    Warren Redlich’s wife Heather is the same person who Warren Redlich said “wouldn’t allow him to spend a dime of his own money on his campaign”. In addition, after saying he would not respond to the mailer, he ends up having his wife respond.

    My analysis. The obvious appeal to emotion, namely mentioning how Redlich stood behind her when she had thyroid cancer and how he supported her career, merely means he may be a supportive spouse. It doesn’t constitute an argument for why she believes he is not a sexual predator in his spare time.

    In fact, her revelation that he likes to address “high school students” and enjoys being a “mentor” to “interns” may actually undermine her entire argument.

    That being said, just because Warren Redlich has made statements that could be construed as being supportive of adults having sex with teens doesn’t mean he engages in the practice himself but it also doesn’t mean he doesn’t engage in the practice either.

  21. Be Rational

    Actually, it will be fairly easy to establish who sent this illegal mailer. The perps used the same mailing permit as the one for Ms Davis. When doing such a mailing, the sender has to fill out paperwork, arrange for payment, and sign their name, and drop off the mail in person. So, they can be apprehended.

    This is an illegal attack. It goes beyond the level allowed. It accuses Warren Redlich of being a convicted sex offender. This an illegal false statement. Legal charges and civil action should follow.

    Individuals above making dishonest arguments such as this:

    “In fact, her revelation that he likes to address “high school students” and enjoys being a “mentor” to “interns” may actually undermine her entire argument.”

    show that they are low, reprehensible pond scum at best.

    Hundreds of thousands of teachers enjoy talking to and mentoring their students of various ages. That is a good thing. This statement shows that its author is a low, disgusting less-than-human being.

  22. paulie

    It accuses Warren Redlich of being a convicted sex offender.

    While it is designed to convey that impression, I don’t believe it says anything about anyone having been convicted. Stone is slimy, not stupid.

  23. Eric Sundwall

    The lout Stevens adds his worthless take.

    Turning on the dime that he considers Redlich’s words, he initially distorts an innocuous comment made during initial discussion of the candidacy. Warren has spend thousands of his money and time.

    His wretched assertion concerning students and mentors belies a deeper internal disturbance on Mr. Stevens shoulders.

    Furthering the slander effort, Mr. Stevens asserts contrapositives in ally with Mr. Redlich’s other attackers.

    As usual, pathetic.

  24. Dr. Tom Stevens

    I expressed my opinion. As a result, I am called “a lout”, “low, reprehensible pond scum” and said to have a “deeper internal disturbance”.

    That is all my detractors have. No reason. No logic. Just personal attacks.

  25. Dr. Tom Stevens

    Unfortunately, Redlich has not only run a poor campaign, focusing on the theme of “Stop Wasting Money” instead of more libertarian issues but he has also alienated half the Libertarian Party in New York State. As I have stated, I believe the best he can lead the LP to is 7th place (possibly worse) and I am pretty certain he will not come close to getting the 50,000 votes required to obtain minor party status.

    The true “libertarian” in the race for Governor in New York State is Kristin Davis, who has focused her campaign on the Anti-Prohibition Party line toward arguing for the legalization of casino gambling, prostitution and marijuana.

    As someone who is not a member of the New York State Libertarian Party, I can speak the truth and Ms. Davis is the true libertarian in the race.

  26. paulie

    OK, this is starting to approach spam territory, having been posted in 4 threads and counting. Once again, Kristin Davis opposes property rights for Muslims. That means libertarians should not vote for her.

  27. Dr. Tom Stevens

    I posted my views on the relevant threads. I have seen real spam where someone posts completely off-topic issues. Is it really spam or “spam territory” if a post a relevant comment to 4 articles dealing with the gubernatorial race in New York State.

    I am sincerely interested in your true opinion.

  28. Be Rational

    No, Dr. Tom, it’s you who made personal attacks that revealed your true nature for all of us to see.

    Yes, Dr. Tom, reposting the same thing over and over is called spamming.

    This also reveals that you are in the territory of Milnes and Oogle – possibly in need of similar treatment.

  29. Dr. Tom Stevens

    Mr. Anonynous Be Rational: You say the anti-Redlich flyer is “illegal” and “defamation”. I would love to confront you again when Redlich fails to sue (giving some excuse) or sues and loses but, of course, I have no idea who you really are, so you can defame people at will and hide behind your Be Rational user name.

  30. Thomas L. Knapp

    As a “public figure,” Redlich would probably have a very high barrier to get over with a libel/defamation suit.

    That sucks — I’m a fan of hardball politics, but this makes even me blanch — but that’s the way it is.

    I’d say he at least has the consolation of knowing he’s a better man than Stone, but he probably knew that already as it would be difficult to be a worse man than Stone.

  31. paulie

    Is it really spam or “spam territory” if a post a relevant comment to 4 articles dealing with the gubernatorial race in New York State.

    I said approaching, not crossing into. One post would have been sufficient.

    There are now about 90 threads that include Redlich in the subject matter, and several more that include Davis. If you posted that comment on all 100 or so of them one after the other, that would definitely be spam. I don’t know when exactly it becomes spam, but I’ll take a cue from the supreme kort and say I’ll know it when I see it.

  32. paulie

    You say the anti-Redlich flyer is “illegal” and “defamation”.

    I think they worded it cleverly to come just as close to the line of illegal defamation as they could without crossing. It is certainly defamation, but probably just short of illegal.

  33. Be Rational

    What Is Libel?
    Libel is published defamation of character, as opposed to spoken defamation of character, which is slander.

    Libel:

    Exposes a person to hatred, shame, disgrace, contempt or ridicule.
    Injures a person’s reputation or causes the person to be shunned or avoided.
    Injures the person in his or her occupation.
    Examples might include accusing someone of having committed a heinous crime, or of having a disease that might cause them to be shunned.

    Two other important points:

    Libel is by definition false. Anything that is provably true cannot be libelous.
    “Published” in this context simply means that the libelous statement is communicated to someone other than the person being libeled. That can mean anything from an article that’s photocopied and distributed to just a few people to a story that appears in a newspaper with millions of subscribers.

    Public Officials vs. Private Individuals
    In order to win a libel lawsuit, private individuals need only prove that an article about them was libelous, and that it was published.

    But public officials – people who work in government at the local, state or federal level – have a tougher time winning libel lawsuits than private individuals.

    Public officials must not only prove that an article was libelous and that it was published; they must also prove it was published with something called “actual malice.”

    Actual malice means that:

    The story was published with the knowledge that it was false.
    The story was published with reckless disregard of whether or not it was false.

  34. Be Rational

    Above we have the legal standards that need to be meet to prove a case for libel.

    Did the Stone group libel Warren Redlich? Can he sue and win?

    Yes to both.

    The flier is clearly accusing Warren Redlich of having been convicted of a crime as a “sexual preditor” so that his presence would allow you to “call the police” and report him.

    The lies are proven on its face.

    The lies clearly damage the electoral prospects of Warren Redlich.

    It is also quite clear that Warren Redlich was never convicted of any crime and the publishers were aware of it.

    It is also quite clear that the publishers published their lies in reckless disregard to the fact that these were known to be falsehoods.

    All the standards have been met, even the strictness of proof required in the case of public officials.

    The Stone cabal involved in this flier has clearly committed an act of libel that demands civil and possible criminal action to be taken.

  35. paulie

    The flier is clearly accusing Warren Redlich of having been convicted of a crime as a “sexual preditor”

    Actually, it doesn’t say he has been convicted of anything, although it certainly gives that impression. Note Stone’s response at the bottom of Celeste Katz’s column here:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/10/a-message-from-mrs-warren-redl.html

    Among other things he says: “I careful reading of the notice in question calls Mr. Redlich a Sexual Predator, a fair charge, not a sex offender, a legal term”

    And “A First Amendment organization has taken responsibility for this informative mail piece. It appears to have been written by a clever lawyer with a good understanding of Libel law. It is clearly free speech. I find it all accurate. Their mailing is quite legal. I urge people to go to the website and see what this former Green Party Candidate Redlich actually wrote.”

    Again, as I said, Stone is slimy, not stupid.

  36. Andrew Miller

    You all seem to forgotten that Redlich called Davis a “whore” in the Albany Times Union last summer.
    Davis never worked as a call girl. Actionable and clear cut.

    There is no doubt whastsoever that she sues Redlich the instant this election is over. Redlich attacks on a real libertarian who has stressed libertarian issues and ignored his personal attacks cried out for pay-back.

    Redlich also attacked her in the debate with his snotty ” I’ve never been convicted of a felony” jibe.

    Davis did her time. This is America. Redlich’s attack on the REAL libertarian in the race shows what an ass he is.

    Warren loves to cyber-squat, send anonymous e-mails and name call but cant take his own medicine.

    What he wrote about sex with teens is creepy- this egomania will lead the LP to defeat again.

    He wants to sue? He ought to be more worried about Davis’s suit over the “whore ‘ comment.

    Was Heather upset when he called Ms. Davis a whore?

    What about Davis family ?

    Stop the phony posturing.

    Davis outpolls Redlich today !

  37. paulie

    You all seem to forgotten that Redlich called Davis a ?whore? in the Albany Times Union last summer.

    Nope, I did not forget that.

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/04/warren-redlich-carl-paladino-and-roger-stone-stone-calls-on-redlich-to-apologize-for-calling-davis-a-whore/

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/04/kristin-davis-says-she-will-sue-warren-redlich-for-calling-her-a-whore-redlich-defends-statement/

    In IPR comments, Redlich defended calling Davis a ?whore?:

    Paulie,
    She?s been called a whore by Wonkette, the NY Post (?Ho?) and many more.

    E.g.:

    http://wonkette.com/413606/one-of-eliot-spitzers-whores-by-proxy-the-kristin-one-would-like-to-be-governor-of-new-york-now-please

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_CyqHd4xiytfzXFCMSGCo5J

    ? A source said Davis personally serviced Spitzer.

    ?She personally interfaced with Spitzer a number of times? since 2003 before she became a madam, a source close to Davis said.?

    Why are they suddenly offended?

    As for the use of the term as applied to her, ask regular people. How many think the word ?whore? is inappropriate as applied to someone who advertises herself as a madam.

    As part of the discussion, show them some of the images she?s put out of herself on the web:

    http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=kristin davis madam

    Try this blog post for an example:

    http://fisherwy.blogspot.com/2008/03/kristin-billie-davis-pictures.html

    She?s described as a prostitute. Strangely there are no comments objecting.

  38. paulie

    Davis a real libertarian who has stressed libertarian issues

    For the most part, but there is nothing libertarian about collective punishment of a religious minority by attempting to deprive them of property rights. It just doesn’t get any less libertarian that until you actually start rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps.

  39. paulie

    At

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/04/kristin-davis-says-she-will-sue-warren-redlich-for-calling-her-a-whore-redlich-defends-statement/#comment-189698

    I said,

    Warren,

    She?s been called a whore by Wonkette, the NY Post (?Ho?) and many more.
    E.g.: http://wonkette.com/413606/one-of-eliot-spitzers-whores-by-proxy-the-kristin-one-would-like-to-be-governor-of-new-york-now-please

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_CyqHd4xiytfzXFCMSGCo5J
    ? A source said Davis personally serviced Spitzer.
    ?She personally interfaced with Spitzer a number of times? since 2003 before she became a madam, a source close to Davis said.?

    There?s a qualitative difference between what press says and what you, as a candidate running against her, say. Wonkette is an opinion blog(ger), and doesn?t pretend to be anything else. The Post cites an anonymous source. She/Stone would get nowhere trying to sue them, although I suppose they can claim media bias, and have?

    The DC: Any disappointments so far in your campaign?

    KD: Yes, the New York Post.

    The Daily News has been fair and reported my announcement as did Fox, CBS, AP, UPI, Reuters, the Philadephia News, Chicago Tribune, Reason.com, High Times ? but not the New York Post. The editors constantly spike stories on my campaign. I have e-mail from reporters to prove it.

    Even Andrea Peyser scheduled an interview and canceled it. I was disappointed. I like her writing and her willingness to take on the politically correct.

    I guess they are invested financially with Ashley Dupree ? their new ?relationship advice? columnist. Too bad the b**** can?t write ? or talk.

    Or is Rupert just anti-woman? Do I need to organize 20 Penthouse Pets to picket Murdoch?s apartment to protest the Stalinist-like refusal of the Post to acknowledge my existence. Do I need to chain myself in Col Allan?s office and call the TV stations? Stay tuned.

    I was on the [New York Post?s] Fred Dicker radio show in Albany. He was very sweet. Sounds kinda cute. He invited me to visit the studio and do the show live when I visit Albany. Hasn?t written my name once. But if Andrew Cuomo burped ?

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/09/spitzer-madam-kristin-davis-busts-into-new-york-governors-race/3/

    Not that I think they?ll actually sue you either, or that they would win if they do, but I?m not surprised to see them try to make something of it. That?s politics.

    As for the use of the term as applied to her, ask regular people. How many think the word ?whore? is inappropriate as applied to someone who advertises herself as a madam.

    As part of the discussion, show them some of the images she?s put out of herself on the web:

    http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=kristin davis madam

    I suspect that if you would have called the owner of a cotton-producing plantation a ?cotton picker? he may have taken offense. Especially so if, at some point in his life, he had in fact had to make his living by getting his hands dirty picking cotton. I suspect that, as a recent madam/pimp who made millions, Davis may see herself as socially and/or intellectually superior to women who have to get their various body parts dirty by working as prostitutes, whether or not she was ever one herself. As Davis says in the same interview quoted above,

    The Daily Caller: So you?re running for governor of New York. How is this different than the stripper Stormy Daniels running for the Senate in Louisiana or Mary Carey running for governor of California?

    Kristin Davis: Those girls are porn stars and I am a businesswoman. They ran as a publicity stunts and I am running to make an important point and to further a reform, Libertarian-based agenda that is common sense and in which I think any New Yorkers privately agree.

    I?m not sure what the images are supposed to prove here. They show that she uses her sexuality to get attention, as do many women who are not actually sex workers.

    Warren Redlich’s response,

    When the Post called her a “Ho” it was a huge headline. The Post has far more readers than the Times Union, and my TU comment appeared on a blog post, not in the paper.

    My use of the term “whore” was an opinion, not a statement of fact. It was also said in jest. My real target was Stone, not Davis, as should be obvious from the context.

    And then there’s the old dictionary:

    1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
    2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money

    3 : a venal or unscrupulous person

    We can probably rule out #2, but for #1 and #3, there’s at least an argument.

  40. Be Rational

    Sorry, Paulie, but it is clear that the flier was not written by a clever lawyer as Stone has asserted. No lawyer would allow this obviously libelous piece to be published.

    The term “sexual predator” is synonymous with “sex offender” in the public mind, which is what counts. Read the legal standards again that are posted above. There is no requirement that the words used be exactly as statutorially defined, but only as publicly understood.

    Furthermore, “sexual preditor” is a legally defined term in numerous state laws, and possibly in New York. A real lawyer would have been aware of these things.

    This time, Stone was not only slimy, he was clearly stupid. The responsible group will lose in court, although Stone may escape being directly tied to the flier if others take the fall.

  41. paulie

    Unfortunately, Redlich has not only run a poor campaign, focusing on the theme of “Stop Wasting Money” instead of more libertarian issues

    What’s unlibertarian about the Stop Wasting Money theme?

    but he has also alienated half the Libertarian Party in New York State. As I have stated, I believe the best he can lead the LP to is 7th place (possibly worse) and I am pretty certain he will not come close to getting the 50,000 votes required to obtain minor party status.

    It looks like he’s in 4th, and very close to 50,000. Richard Winger thinks he still may make it when all the votes are counted.

  42. Don Lake, strategically ..........

    paulie // Nov 2, 2010 : It just doesn’t get any less libertarian that until you actually start rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps.

    [Lake: including US misbehavior in WWII, smattering of Huns and Eye Ties, and the shameful, shameful round up some of our best citizens and residents, those of Japanese back ground! Shame on us; we could have done sooooooooo much better ………..]

    Wyoming: the sheep spend all day asking the sex tourists to ‘come b a a a a ck!’ ……

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