Bob Barr to Aid Jean-Claude ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier in Haiti

CNN reports that

A former U.S. congressman was among a group of American attorneys accompanying former Haitian dictator Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier as he spoke in the country’s capital Friday.

Former Republican Congressman Bob Barr said he is not serving as Duvalier’s attorney, but is in Port-au-Prince to consult, assist and be Duvalier’s voice to the international community.

Barr represented Georgia’s 7th District in the U. S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003, and was the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee in 2008. He currently practices law and runs a consulting firm based in Atlanta.

According to Channel 11 in Atlanta,

Jean Claude “Baby Doc’ Duvalier has returned to the country after 25 years of exile.

The Duvalier family ruled Haiti as their own personal fiefdom for 30 years.

They did so with a secret police force and all the tools the dictatorship could muster against its impoverished citizens

Four days ago “Baby Doc”, the son of “Papa Doc”, returned to Port Au Prince from exile in France.

He is now facing human rights abuse charges and needs some good representation. Enter Marger and Barr.

Channel 11 further reports that Bob Barr’s business partner, Edwin Marger, has been a personal friend of the Duvalier family since the days of Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier in the 1960s.

A statement on Bob Barr’s website reads:

Haiti’s Former President Brings Message of Hope to People

Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, January 21, 2011 — Former Congressman Bob Barr, with Attorneys Ed Marger of Jasper, Georgia and Mike Puglise of Snellville, Georgia, joined former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, as Duvalier issued his first public statement upon returning to Haiti for the first time since he left the country in 1986.

Duvalier explained that the love for his country and the heartbreak he shared with all Haitians over the devastation wrought by last year’s massive earthquake, overcame the risks he knew he would face by returning to Haiti at this time. He also urged all Haitians, but especially the young people, to take leadership and raise the country from the ashes like a Phoenix.

Duvalier also stated that Barr, Marger and Puglise will be representing him in bringing his message of hope to the world.

For further information please contact 011-509-367-39063 or in Haiti through the weekend, on Monday 770-836-1776.

Barr, a former Member of Congress (1995-2003).

CNN notes that Duvalier faces charges of corruption and embezzlement on allegations he stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the national treasury.

Channel 11 notes that there are claims that 59-year-old “Baby Doc” is broke and a Swiss bank holds $6.5 million. To get the money, Duvalier must be exonerated of charges in Haiti.

H/T: Ballot Access News, Tom Knapp via IPR email group, and Steve Linnabary in IPR comments.

86 thoughts on “Bob Barr to Aid Jean-Claude ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier in Haiti

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  2. Conservative Tea Party Patriot

    Kudos to Bob Barr for standing up for the rightful President of Haiti.

    What I have to wonder is, if we have to have a foreign born negro as President, why does it have to be a Marxist Communist Muslim like Barack Obama, and not a good Godly man like Jean-Claude Duvalier?

    Do we really have to let Haiti have him back as their President, or can the US get first dibs?

    Would the Libertarian/Tea Party run Jean Claude Duvalier for President of the United States if he agrees to do it?

    This could be big!

  3. NewFederalist

    #8- I am confused by your comment. Do you support Barr offering assistance to Baby Doc Duvalier? I agree that Root is not particularly libertarian. That was my point. But Barr helping a dictator???

  4. Sane LP Member

    If Root associated with Ralph Nadar would he equally disgrace the LP? What if he had lunch with Jesse Ventura or Donald Trump?
    What if some people had lunch with #8? Would that be a disgrace to the restaurant or the family of the people with # 8?

  5. Maybe Not

    Which of those people do you think may have killed, imprisoned and tortured thousands of people and embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars?

  6. Cody Quirk

    Duvalier isn’t Libertarian oriented- quite the opposite.

    This seems very hypocritical.

  7. Maybe Not

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-rep-bob-barr-haiti-is-worse-now-than-under-his-client-baby-doc-duvalier/

    Speaking to CNN’s Fredricka Whitfield, Barr did his best to defend his client’s tainted legacy, noting that, while Duvalier “is very well aware of the personal risk that he faced coming back to Haiti,” that “paled in comparison to the needs of his people.”Barr was tight-lipped about the details of Duvalier’s return and what he wanted to accomplish, other than to say that he wanted to “see funds made available to help the relief effort which, by any reasonable estimate here, has not progressed well.”

    Then Whitfield hit Barr with a tough question on his integrity: after all the American government had done to clean up Duvalier’s mess, as a former Congressman, did he see any conflict of interest? Barr seemed to take offense, arguing that the American government had not helped much and, that, in fact, “the country is in worse shape now than it was at the time Mr. Duvalier was president.” Whitfield didn’t argue that point– who possibly could?– but has anyone notified Barr that Haiti’s condition today had much more to do with nature than nurture? Barr’s argument boasts a massive logic gap: the younger Duvalier’s tenure was not plagued with a devastating earthquake followed by a cholera epidemic, and many opponents of Duvalier’s who would cite a number of human rights abuses against him would probably argue that the only thing that would make Haiti worse today than under the old regime would be a series of tragic natural disasters.

  8. DK

    So is Barr there representing his “former” masters at CIA? Nominating this snake as the LP presidential candidate was a huge mistake.

  9. Chuck Moulton

    Lawyers sometimes defend bad people (e.g., John Adams defended the British soldiers involved in the Boston massacre). We have an adversarial legal system in which lawyers attempt to give their clients a fair shake. I don’t see what the big deal is here.

  10. Maybe Not

    It’s possible to serve as someone’s lawyer without making claims like that they are “bringing hope to the people”.

  11. Conservative Tea Party Patriot

    Do you have any proof that Duvalier ever embezzled any money or killed anyone that did not deserve to die? I don’t think so.

  12. Cody Quirk

    Duvalier is very libertarian. Like Pinochet!

    = Are we being funny? Because this statement has no real credibility.

  13. The Last Conservative

    What is your definition of someone that deserves to die?

    The British soldiers at the Bostom Massacre were the good guys. They were preserving the godly order that the British Empiuire stood for. Conservative Tea Party Patriot, you are probably just another liberal marxist communist; in order to be a true conservative you have to support absolutist monarchy. Perhaps when America returns to the British Empire and Prince william takes his rightful place as King of Great Britain, Ireland and America, maybe Duvalier could be brought in as a consultant for how to repress the population, and mistakes he made which resulted in the 1986 coup. He could also advocate for the British Empire to return to the Catholic church, ending the Reformation and finally reversing the policies of the marxist king Henry VIII.

  14. Cody Quirk

    LC, why don’t you just move to England if you’re going to crap out of your mouth like that.

  15. Jill Pyeatt

    @19 ‘Do you have any proof that Duvalier ever… or killed anyone that did not deserve to die?”

    It seems the Twilight Zone is already here.

  16. Conservative Tea Party Patriot

    Least Conservative.

    I’m a true red blooded American. My gun is firm, long, wide barreled, upright and ready, and my finger is always on the trigger.

    I hate gays and Mexicans with a passion. Nothing makes me madder with passion than a gay man or a Mexican, or especially a gay Mexican, with his shirt off and his muscles glistening with sweat. I hate them so much that my veins start bulging out, my nose flares, and I get all red in the neck and face. My gun gets just about ready to go off every time I see one, that’s how mad I get.

    I also hate the Islamic bastards, although I gotta say I kind of admire how they control their women.

    I support the troops and the police. In fact no one is a bigger fan of men in uniform than I am.

    I am also a Christian patriot. What I love the most about Jesus is His fervent nationalism, His support for the troops and wars of liberation, and His unabashed free market capitalist economic views. Like when He said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a poor Mexican to get into heaven. Jesus is my kind of teabagger!

    Another of my favorite Bible quotes: Go to war on your neighbor before he does it unto you. Couldn’t have said it any better!

    How can someone be a true Christian when they can’t even read the Bible in the original, English language, King James Version?

    Jesus spoke English Only, so why can’t the illegal Mexican invaders and all the other foreigners coming into this country to take away our jobs? Don’t they understand that in a free market these jobs rightfully belong to native born Americans?

  17. Mark Read Pickens

    Well said, Conservative Tea Party Patriot .

    I guess sometimes one must take vigorous measures to make sarcasm clear.

  18. The Last Conservative

    Fuck you Cody, you godless Fenian marxist. God will not be satisfied until the British Empire is restored to its former glory, and just for the so-called Conservative Tea Party Patriot, we can even add Latin America to it also. Women will return to the kitchen, and 99% of the population will be repressed servants. Such is how the world should be. We cannot just move to England; we must make some of the English move to other countries to administer them.

  19. Cody Quirk

    Right back at ya, you Loyalist faggot- stick your Orange sash up your ass.

    The UK is the most politically-correct, socialist oriented, and anti-Christian country in western Europe and getting worse by the year.

    The sun is setting on the British empire and in Britain, the economy is struggling and immigrants are destroying British culture, all of which makes me laugh, actually.
    It will also be a matter of time before Scotland and Wales become their own countries as well.

  20. Jill Pyeatt

    Conservative Tea Party Patriot @ 24 has to be a joke. No one who really feels that way admits it.
    Hahahahahaha! You almost got me believing you!

  21. j

    The LOLs here are epic, and the fails beyond the capacity of even Beetlejuice’s face in Manute Bol’s palm to express.

    It’s good to know there are some libertarians with a sense of humor, even if some others have burned theirs out on Rand.

  22. Tom Blanton

    Could it be that Baby Doc is actually assisting Barr stage a coup where Barr himself would take over Haiti with backing from the CIA? It would be the first libertarian dictatorship.

    There might even be a spot for Root as vice-dictator. Somebody would need to run the Tonton Macoute.

  23. Sane LP Member

    Again, why the Root comments? He is not even remotely associated with this. The rabid dislike for Root is hilarious. Does he really scare you that much?

  24. Hmmm ...

    Barr is a lawyer. He has the opportunity to represent an interesting client. It does not imply anything about his personal beliefs.

    Would you, as a food vendor, refuse to sell food for a criminal or an accused criminal to eat? Would you refuse to sell clothes or water? Should doctors refuse to treat criminals?

    There is nothing here to get your undies in a twist.

  25. The Last Conservative

    Cody, the only reason Britain is falling into such degenrecy, is because so many fine conservative men were killed in the past centuries by Irish, American, Indian and African revolutionaries fighting against the noble British empire; and also because God was punishing the British Empire for not returning to the Catholic church. Henry VIII was an Irish communist agent who started the world’s path towards degenerecy in the 16th century.

  26. The Last Conservative

    Haiti is welcome to join the British Empire, with the help of Bob Barr and Jean-Claude Duvalier. The Haitian Revolution was a good thing in the long run when they gained independence from France 200 years ago, because it weakened the marxist French empire of Napoleon, who was an enemy of the British Empire; Napoleon was also a secret Muslim, and led the world furhter towards degenerecy.

    Loyalism forever. Damn the soul of Henry VIII. Women back in the kitchen, including Chelene Nightengale, and the lady who is running for President of Haiti, hopefully to be defeated by Baby Doc, Bob Barr and the British-funded CIA.

  27. Cody Quirk

    Cody, the only reason Britain is falling into such degenrecy, is because so many fine conservative men were killed in the past centuries by Irish, American, Indian and African revolutionaries fighting against the noble British empire;

    = More should’ve been killed then, especially after what they did to the Afrikaner people 110 years ago.
    You guys were worse then the Nazis!

    and also because God was punishing the British Empire for not returning to the Catholic church. Henry VIII was an Irish communist agent who started the world’s path towards degenerecy in the 16th century.

    = Henry VIII was of English nobility with some Welsh in him- no Irish at all, you idiot!

    Do your damn research next time, and hallelujah for Britain getting served poetic justice!

  28. Cody Quirk

    Loyalism forever. Damn the soul of Henry VIII. Women back in the kitchen, including Chelene Nightengale, and the lady who is running for President of Haiti, hopefully to be defeated by Baby Doc, Bob Barr and the British-funded CIA.

    = Time to wake up to reality, moron.

  29. Timothy Yung

    I am willing to bet that James Oogle, The Last Conservative, The Tea Party Patriot, and Don Lake are the same person. Well technically because that man got serious split personality issues.

  30. paulie Post author

    Again, why the Root comments? He is not even remotely associated with this. The rabid dislike for Root is hilarious. Does he really scare you that much?

    I see no reason to bring Wayne into this.

    Barr is a lawyer. He has the opportunity to represent an interesting client. It does not imply anything about his personal beliefs.

    No one is blaming Barr for acting as a lawyer here, but why is he saying that Haiti was better off under Duvalier and that Duvalier is bringing a message of hope to the people? That seems a bit beyond the call of duty.

  31. paulie Post author

    I am willing to bet that James Oogle, The Last Conservative, The Tea Party Patriot, and Don Lake are the same person. Well technically because that man got serious split personality issues.

    I need to make some money. How much are you willing to bet?

  32. Robert Capozzi

    p40: No one is blaming Barr for acting as a lawyer here, but why is he saying that Haiti was better off under Duvalier and that Duvalier is bringing a message of hope to the people? That seems a bit beyond the call of duty.

    me: A lawyer’s job is to zealously defend his/her client. Barr could be evolving into a Kunstler/Cochran/Belli type of lawyer, sometimes defending unsavory characters. I can’t say I’d make the same choice, but he’s entitled to give that a shot.

    I’m not up on Haiti’s situation, but it might actually be that in some ways it was materially better when Baby Doc was in charge….dunno.

  33. Thomas L. Knapp

    It does not follow from the fact that Barr is an attorney that his employment with Duvalier is in that capacity as most people simplistically understand it (e.g. attempting to prove a charged defendant not guilty of an offense at trial).

    Facially, he seems to be acting more as a publicist/public relations agent.

    That said, I’m not going to slam him over it, at least just yet. that impression could be wrong, or there could be more than meets the eye going on here.

    On the other hand, let’s not be unrealistic about consequences — his association with Duvalier will be (in fact already has been by at least one reasonably prominent state-leftist blog) pressed into service as a way to negatively portray the LP and libertarianism.

  34. Cody Quirk

    I am willing to bet that James Oogle, The Last Conservative, The Tea Party Patriot, and Don Lake are the same person. Well technically because that man got serious split personality issues.

    = Its possible.

  35. Bruce Cohen

    George Phillies: “@2 Mr. Root willingly associates with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. Mr. Root disgraces our party.”

    Mister Phillies is jealous that Glenn and Sarah aren’t interested in talking to him.

    Are you a airtime socialist, George?
    Not fair that Wayne gets more than you?

    Should it be distributed evenly by law amongst Libertarians or something?

    Give me a break!

    Nobody has ever gotten the LP more PR, ever, have they?

    EVER?

    HEY GEORGE, IS THIS THING ON?

  36. Robert Capozzi

    tk, yes, Barr’s not serving technically as an attorney. And, yes, the association is not good PR for Ls, unless there’s some aspect to the Baby Doc story we’re unaware of. Based on my current knowledge, I would have advised Barr against this move on ideological/movement grounds.

    It may be that Barr has some OCD-type condition that makes him seek out opportunities to ride in limos 😉

  37. paulie Post author

    I’m not up on Haiti’s situation, but it might actually be that in some ways it was materially better when Baby Doc was in charge….dunno.

    Only if you consider acts of nature to be equivalent to acts of men.

    I am willing to bet that James Oogle, The Last Conservative, The Tea Party Patriot, and Don Lake are the same person. Well technically because that man got serious split personality issues.

    = Its possible.

    No, it isn’t. They are for a fact at least three different people. And probably all four.

    To my knowledge, Lake has never posted under a pseudonym that was not immediately recognizable. Ogle may have…but only once. They are both real people that other people have met. Last Conservative has several other pseudonyms, but I’ve corresponded with the real person behind them, and he’s not Ogle or Lake.

    On the other hand, let’s not be unrealistic about consequences — his association with Duvalier will be (in fact already has been by at least one reasonably prominent state-leftist blog) pressed into service as a way to negatively portray the LP and libertarianism.

    Yep.

    Mister Phillies is jealous that Glenn and Sarah aren’t interested in talking to him.

    No, he considers them to be reprehensible people that one should not associate with. And please let’s not yell.

    It may be that Barr has some OCD-type condition that makes him seek out opportunities to ride in limos

    It’s the smell of the Corinthian leather. More addictive than cocaine, champagne and strippers
    put together (as if anyone could not put strippers together with cocaine and champagne).

  38. Thomas L. Knapp

    Quoth Bruce Cohen,

    “Nobody has ever gotten the LP more PR, ever, have they?”

    Setting aside the piss-poor quality of Root’s PR “for” the LP, yes, a number of people have gotten “more.”

    Bob Barr, probably. Ed Clark and Harry Browne by a damn sight. Probably Badnarik, too.

  39. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 47,

    Interestingly, you are moving ahead of me in terms of reaching (not to say jumping to) conclusions.

    The only thing I’ve had to say about this thing so far is that it does in fact entail some negative publicity for the LP. That’s not speculation on my part; the articles are already appearing.

    At this point, I’m actually not willing to gainsay Barr. There may be more or less than meets the eye here. I’m sure it will resolve one way or the other, but I’m not going to assume which way that will be.

  40. George Phillies

    Mister Phillies is jealous that Glenn and Sarah aren’t interested in talking to him.

    One of them is for starters an antiSemite whose attacks on George Soros for being Jewish have been examined in great detail by the ADL. The other is an advocate of political assassination who is widely recognized by the American people as an idiot.

  41. Root LUUUUVED Barr!

    @ 33, it’s a stretch — but not a major stretch — to reference Root.

    Root effusively praised Barr at the 2008 LP convention, publicly sucking up to him, calling him “a master politician.”

    Of course, that was because Root wanted something from Barr — his support for Root’s VP run.

    And yes, by Dec 2008, Root had flip-flopped on Barr, calling himself a “radical” and while his lackeys began distancing Root from Barr.

    But since Root was praising, endorsing, and all-around sucking up to Barr at the LP convention, it’s not entirely unfair to remind people of Root’s past support of Barr (which was loud and effusive, even if insincere).

  42. Thane Eichenauer

    @51
    Mr. Phillies,
    I am disappointed with your repetition of the liberal smear that Sarah Palin is “widely recognized by the American people as an idiot”. There are plenty of issues for you or me to disagree with establishment Republicans on but I make every effort to avoid calling people names. I encourage you to avoid the practice as well. Sarah Palin was able to convince a sizable percentage of Alaska’s voters to elect her governor. I would assert that accomplishment is an indication of at least an average level of intelligence.

  43. Be Rational

    Barr and his partner have a client. Their client apparently needs to put his horrific past behind him in order to have a future and claim a small fortune that awaits him. Their client needs to stand and face charges in Haiti in order to clear his way to a future life.

    Now, perhaps you and I feel he doesn’t deserve to have this nice future life. He should be jailed for life. Maybe we are correct.

    But, what does this mean for the client’s attorneys. It means that their client has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. We have already judged Baby Doc a criminal, and so have most people who have heard of him. This means that to represent their client they must make their case in this same court.

    In this case, as occurs often in notorious cases, the actual legal case in a real court will largely be decided in advance, in the court of public opinion.

    Barr has a duty to his client, both moral and legal, to represent him and present his case. He seems to be doing his job as required. Sometimes being a good lawyer requires more PR acumen and showmanship that actual legal crafmanship. It will serve Barr’s career well if he represents this client well. Being intelligent, talented and good at your profession does not make you any less libertarian.

    We should applaud Barr for his quality work and success as an attorney.

    We should judge his political positions when they are expressed outside of work scenarios such as this one.

  44. SAM

    Is it not obvious Duvalier only returned to Haiti
    to pilfer the country again He is broke now and needs to get his hands on money to benefit himself
    and Rep. Bob Barr will gain receiving his legal fees .

  45. Andy

    “But, what does this mean for the client’s attorneys. It means that their client has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. We have already judged Baby Doc a criminal, and so have most people who have heard of him. This means that to represent their client they must make their case in this same court.”

    “Baby Doc” committed his crimes in full view of the public. There is nothing more to say to the guy beyond something like, “Hey, you are a real scumbag. Do the world a favor and kill yourself.”

    “It will serve Barr’s career well if he represents this client well. Being intelligent, talented and good at your profession does not make you any less libertarian.”

    I find it rather disturbing that a man who has called himself a Libertarian and was the Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 2008 would jump at the chance to defend a deposed dictator. There isn’t any chance that “Baby Doc” is not guilty. He doesn’t have any legitimate excuses to cover up his many crimes. “Baby Doc” is a statist slimeball of the highest order. He’s the opposite of the libertarian. It seems to me with all of the potential clients in this world that Bob Barr could have found somebody more worthy of support to represent.

  46. Ted Brown

    I thought Rev. Pat Robertson had the last word on Haiti, when he revealed that the 1790s-era Haitian revolutionary leaders (like Toussaint L’Ouverture) entered into a pact with Satan to gain independence, and that the Haitian people have been suffering from that decision ever since.

    The return of Baby Doc Duvalier is just another in a long line of events to show that Satan is still using the Haitian people as his demonic playthings.

    That being said in a light fashion, I think that anyone who will give an absolute dictator the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty) is sadly deluded. Of course Duvalier and his father (Papa Doc Duvalier) wrongly killed, imprisoned, tortured, and robbed countless Haitians over a 20 year plus period. He deserves the Ceausescu treatment ASAP, though those poor Haitians are probably too weak to load a pistol to shoot him, or create a hangman’s knot.

  47. Tom Blanton

    The reason Barr is representing Baby Doc, according to a link posted above from an Atlanta source, is because Barr’s law partner/boss has known the Duvalier family since the 60’s.

    Given that fact, the fact that the CIA and US Govt. once supported the Duvalier family’s leadership (ownership) of Haiti, and the fact that Barr once worked for the CIA, I think it all leads up to a situation ripe for ridicule and joking about Barr taking over Haiti himself. And who better to be Barr’s vice-dictator than Wayne Root.

    So, that is why I brought Wayne Root into it. Some of you will remember that he was Bob Barr’s running mate as VP candidate for the LP. Also, I brought Root into it because, as Sane LP Member guesses @ 33, I have a hilarious and rabid dislike for Root and he scares me very much. He scares me so much that I make jokes about him so I can cover-up my trembling with nervous laughter.

    All that being said, I wish Bob Barr and Wayne Root the best of luck regarding any aspirations they may have about taking over Haiti. Truly I do, honest.

  48. Tom Blanton

    Oh, and maybe if Baby Doc gets his cash back and pays Barr, Barr can pay his ghost writers, limo drivers, strippers, and whoever else he owes.

    I’d also like to remind people here that Baby Doc was anti-communist, which makes him an ally and much-loved friend of all Americans, and when such a man commits murder and theft in furtherance of governing, no crime is committed. Let’s just hope Barr can overcome these silly notions that Baby Doc and his Tonton Macoute were bad guys.

    We must also remember that it is OK for prominent libertarians to do things considered controversial by the general public as long as they are “true conservatives”. What is not OK is for purist libertarians to discuss ideas that the general public might consider controversial. That can’t be tolerated – not in the LP.

  49. paulie Post author

    @57 Well said.

    @58 Congratulations, you have taken the first step on your road to recovery from Rootophobia: admitting that you have a problem 🙂

  50. paulie Post author

    Only question, or two I have is, did Baby Doc ever make any money legally? If not then what kind of money will the legal people get paid with?

    The same can be asked in, e.g., any organized crime prosecution.

  51. Mark Seidenberg

    The “Conservative Tea Party Patriot” is the same as “The Mad Monk “.

    Next think Bob Barr will do is start talking Keryol.

    When will Haiti stop making bogus claims on
    United States territory.

    During World War I, the Haiti ambassador to the
    United States went to visit William Jennings Bryan then Secratary of State. Bryan was in shock that the ambassador (which Bryan used
    the N word to refer to) spoke fluent French and not Keryol.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

  52. paulie Post author

    The “Conservative Tea Party Patriot” is the same as “The Mad Monk “.

    I’m confused. Who’s “The Mad Monk”?

  53. RBouloute

    Baby Doc ‘s exile had damaged Haiti more than we possibly could immagine. It was less costly to keep him in power than forcing him out; Haiti was clean; Haiti was partly self-sufficient producing its electricity, sugar, cacao, cofee, aluminium, etc. Had he not taken money with him, we would not have anything to talk about now; all money would have desappeared with all the delinquents who came after he left. Haiti needs to be thankful that he had taken money. One thing to be noticed is that after more than 29 years in power, anyone would have gotten rich.

  54. longtime reader x-time alias

    It is my understanding that Barr’s legal representation involves some kind of suit vs the US govt, which has apparently hijacked several million dollars of Duvalier’s and is refusing it to give it to him.

    AFAIK, most libertarians are against the US government engaging in asset forfeiture without the benefit of the trial.

    In fact, Barr made many of his libertarian bona fides fighting such actions by the US govt when he was a Congressman in the 1990s.

    Duvalier has said he would like o use the embargoed funds to help the people of Haiti. I see no reason why Duvalier should be denied this right while the Bushes and Clintons are allowed to freely move millions upon millions of dollars to Haiti for who-knows-what nefarious purposes.

  55. Andy

    “It is my understanding that Barr’s legal representation involves some kind of suit vs the US govt, which has apparently hijacked several million dollars of Duvalier’s and is refusing it to give it to him.”

    You must mean money that Duvalier stole from the people of Hati.

  56. Andy

    “Duvalier has said he would like o use the embargoed funds to help the people of Haiti.”

    You mean the the people of the same country in which Duvalier committed thousands of human rights violations.

  57. langa

    “The reason Barr is representing Baby Doc, according to a link posted above from an Atlanta source, is because Barr’s law partner/boss has known the Duvalier family since the 60?s.”

    That doesn’t really surprise me. Ed Marger’s firm is located in the town where I grew up. It’s a very small town where “everybody knows everybody”, and while I’ve never personally met Marger, he has always had a fairly shady reputation, as a guy who would sell his soul for a quick buck. If Papa Doc was into voodoo, he might have been in the market for a used soul.

  58. Robert Capozzi

    tb59: We must also remember that it is OK for prominent libertarians to do things considered controversial by the general public as long as they are “true conservatives”. What is not OK is for purist libertarians to discuss ideas that the general public might consider controversial. That can’t be tolerated – not in the LP.

    me: You bring up a good point, although I don’t know anyone who’d say that using the term “true conservatives” is a condition. I believe I get the term’s use, but in my case I’d not suggest its usage.

    It is a strange world where providing counsel to a reputed dictator is less controversial than, say, abolishing the age of majority and laws designed to protect children from sexual predators, for ex. I consider the latter more controversial, even though the former dictator was likely responsible for multiple murders. I fully admit that murder seems worse than taking advantage of children, or even just abolishing laws against the latter.

    Why one seems less offensive than another is hard to say. Brother Blantonesque theories most welcome.

    I’d suggest it might be a matter of expectations. A foreign dictator of a third-world nation might be expected to be cruel, even murderous. Laws protecting children seems de rigueur in a nation where the citizens intend to have a more evolved, civilized social order.

    Absolutism does not allow for the consideration of context. Relativism does. This may explain why an absolutist and a relativist often do not understand one another…their frame of reference is quite different.

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  60. Starchild

    “SaneLPMember” @33 asks, “Again, why the Root comments? He is not even remotely associated with this.”

    Even if it was simply bad judgement for W.A.R. to associate himself with Barr by endorsing him and becoming his running mate, then where is Root’s apology to the party and admission that he screwed up in helping Barr get the nomination?

  61. Starchild

    Paulie @48 writes, regarding the suggestion that Bob Barr might have some OCD-type condition that makes him seek out opportunities to ride in limos,

    “It’s the smell of the Corinthian leather. More addictive than cocaine, champagne and strippers.”

    What kind of sick religion would cause any sane human being to prefer the odor of a dead cow over cocaine, champagne, or strippers? Don’t let the Prohibitionists hear that cocaine, champagne and strippers are the “gateway drugs” to the heinous act of cow-sniffing. 🙂

  62. Robert Capozzi

    sc74: ….where is Root’s apology to the party and admission that he screwed up in helping Barr get the nomination?

    me: I’m all for public apologies when there is responsibility. Root could not have known that Barr would make this mistake 2 years later, even Sipos could not have foreseen this one.

    I voted for Barr, and I don’t regret it, even though he’s doing this (at this time, with scant information) inexplicable act. Defending the undefendable may be necessary, but unless he’s really, really hurting for money, I can’t say this is a smooth move by Barr. To the contrary.

  63. paulie Post author

    What kind of sick religion would cause any sane human being to prefer the odor of a dead cow over cocaine, champagne, or strippers?

    Dunno. Some deviant people get a taste of the Back Orifice from the Cult of the Dead Cow,
    and from then on they walk the earth like Anonymous Zombies, endlessly in search of their insatiable fix like Ahab.

    Verily, as their addiction grows to monstrous proportions, they infiltrate the corridors of power until they find themselves looking through the eye on top of the pyramid of Mount Doom. As they fall into the burning ring of fire, the flames rise higher…

    Ring, ring…

    Don’t let the Prohibitionists hear that cocaine, champagne and strippers are the “gateway drugs” to the heinous act of cow-sniffing.

    The prohibitionists are meeting up in Cullman County. Up there, cow tipping, cow sipping, cow dipping and cow sniffing needs no gateway drug: people there seem to just be naturally drawn to it, and they go straight for the whole hog. Like Neal Horseley of the Creators Rights party said, when you grow up on a farm, your first girlfriend is a mule 😛

  64. paulie Post author

    On another matter:

    Please email SF Egypt demonstration photos to me for an IPR article.

    The images are not visible on Grassroots, only the names.

    Radicals has Batches 1-2 and 4 but not 3.

    Also, it would be a lot easier if I got an email with all the attachments in one place.

    Better yet if they have been already posted on any other websites, I can just link them…

  65. Thomas M. Sipos

    Robert Capozzi: “Root could not have known that Barr would make this mistake 2 years later, even Sipos could not have foreseen this one.”

    Considering how often Capozzi has bragged about his own mind reading skills, I’m surprised that he didn’t foresee it.

  66. Gains

    Barr is an attorney. If you ever find yourself in need of one under accusations that are difficult to fend against, you may be eating your words for criticizing him or anyone else when defending the indefensible or representing the unrepresentable.

    Making people afraid of serving justice, providing adequate representation or administering due process is simply not healthy in a free society.

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