LPCA Con 2011 Nevada – Sunday Elections

Officer elections will be held today as well as some number of seats on the Board.

9:05 AM is the scheduled time for the Chair’s election and then the other officers right behind that  until

11:30 when the non-Officer Board seats come up.

Lunch speaker: Steve Kubby

All action after lunch, fairly anti-climactic.

Official schedule hard to find on the LPCA Website but here it is: http://ca.lp.org/2011-convention/2011-convention-schedule/

127 thoughts on “LPCA Con 2011 Nevada – Sunday Elections

  1. Bruce Cohen Post author

    On has to feel bad for the wonderful and hard working Richard Winger, to be stuck with a Sunday breakfast crowd to speak to.

    Crickets?

  2. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Operational Continunity is a joke.

    When Kevin was elected he had as much experience at the job as Obama had to be President.

    About zero.

    But everyone said ‘give him a chance’ etc…

    Now the same group argues the opposite?
    What are you, Democrats?

  3. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Mike Seebeck, you claim to have left a legacy that someone can just slip into.

    I’d sure love to see it.

    And how about sharing this ‘system’ with the Northern Vice Chair, aye?

    Yeah, let’s not tear down LPCA Institutions that are so precious.

    Like?

    California Freedom Magazine?
    WHOOPS we spent the money.

    Regular email outreach.
    Didn’t you know we have jobs and we are busy?

    Returning phone calls?
    See answer to #2 above.

    Seebeck having email tantrums and Takenaga having phone and in person meltdowns.
    Priceless.

    Everything else takes BullshirtCard.

  4. Bruce Cohen Post author

    I can think of an institution that needs to be torn down… Inside the LPCA…

    It’s the lack of work ethic or deliverables or ability to meet the most generous deadlines.

    Yeah the dog ate my homework and the server ate the minutes.

    I am 100% sure that it’s impossible to erase signs of the minutes and they are available.

    With 15 people and two alternates getting emailed copies of the proposed minutes and then voting on the approved version, for sure they are in everone’s archives, no?

    Yeah sure the dog/server ate my homework/minutes!

    BWAHAHAHA!!

    Maybe someone with a CS Degree can explain to Kevin how to get the minutes to us.

    Wow, it’s like Kevin ran the LPCA for a year, but has nothing to show for it.

    Errr… Even with the minutes, I guess that’s the case.

  5. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Live feed link very spotty right now and our webcam operator is trying to get a better shot without being too obvious.

    Something strange about the wireless she says.

  6. David Colborne

    Casino wireless is always hit and miss. It’s almost like every casino in Nevada intentionally deploys one fewer wireless access points than they need to properly cover an area. Then again, it doesn’t help that wireless access points are hubs, so, if you get more than 20 people hitting the same one simultaneously, your bandwidth will go into the toilet.

  7. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Nominating speeches are happening a few hours late now.

    Steve Kubby just nominated Kevin ‘Mister’ T.
    His speech was described as ‘begging’ people to vote for him.

    Applause is lukewarm at best.

    Several folks have speculated on why Steve would make said speech, I’m staying out of it.

  8. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Kevin’s reception by the audience was considered less enthusiastic than that recieved by Mister Kubby, and was described as ‘polite’ at best.

  9. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Word has it that Michael Pickens got a lukewarm reception as well.

    Arron Starr asked for a 15 Minute Q&A and got it.

    Surprisingly it wasn’t ruled out of order.
    Probably because Kevin isn’t presiding now.

  10. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Discussion about the new website is a topic for Chair Candidates.

    Rumor has it Kevin wanted to help Flavio out and hence hired him for $4000 or so.

    I have no way of substantiating said rumor, but it certainy would be one possible answer to the huge waste of money.

    Looks good, but for that much money?

    And these guys ran on the concept that they are superduper propellerhead grandwebmaster flash guys and could do all that stuff for almost FREE and save us all money..

    Hmmm..

    If Kevin would ever talk to anyone but his inside Castro Circle, we might know more.

  11. Bruce Cohen Post author

    At this point, it appears that NOTA may have an edge.

    Michael and Kevin are giving basically the same answers.

    So, if people are dissapointed and turned off enough by Kevin and Michale doesn’t light a fire, then NOTA could actually win.

    It would be an improvement.

  12. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Takenaga is now discussing his imaginary accomplishments and needs to learn how act on a stage.

    [Disclaimer, I am a wonderful observer, but not so wonderful with a microphone or lectern myself.]

    Tweets from the floor say Kevin is bragging. LOL

  13. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Jill Pyatt just basically accused Michael of running for Chair to promote Wayne Root.

    Posed as a question, of course.

    My guess is that Wayne would just like to see anyone who can do a good job.

    Wayne gets accused of a lot of things by Pyattarians, but it’s all lies and hate.

  14. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Takenaga is rambling away on the floor.

    Yeah, Seebeck, I know ‘that’s his style’.
    And yeah, Jill, I know he’s just so very productive like you, so his lack of poise or speaking skills don’t matter, right?
    And yeah, we know he didn’t have to prepare because he has a job. Ouch, darn that….

    Work getting in the way of your personal life.

    I HATE THAT!

  15. TJ Campbell

    I just want to see if I am actually nominated for Treasurer while being absent from convention, I doubt I will be. I hope Pickens will run for NVC if Kevin wins reelection. I don’t really know how capabale Gale Morgan is. Gale is a great guy, but the whole minutes thing and all the other missing info online…. I think it’s time to change the dirty laundry….

  16. David Colborne

    I’ll note that creating a high quality, beautiful web site is not easy, quick, or cheap. Though you can get a “let’s take a template and modify it slightly” site for about $500, a custom one like the one California can frequently cost well in excess of $5000. Then, once you get it up, you still need someone around to maintain it – install security updates, keep content populated, and so on. For a web site like the one you guys have, it can be a real pain.

    Out here (“here” being Reno), we tried the “let’s build a custom web site” avenue, then quickly learned it wasn’t worth the effort. We eventually settled on a quick and dirty Google Apps site, which isn’t anywhere near as pretty as it could be but is stupid simple to administer and add content to. As an added bonus, if our resident web guy (me) disappears, it’s not the end of the world – since it has the same interface as Gmail, everyone else on the Ex Comm can feed in content as they see fit (and they do!). I’d be lying if I said our approach would be appropriate for a state party, though – local parties can be excused for having visually unimpressive web sites. Most people expect state parties to be better presented, especially in a tech-forward state like California.

  17. Michael Seebeck

    Takenaga 49, Pickens 17. 3-1 blowout.

    READ IT AND WEEP, COHEN, YOU PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!

  18. Michael Seebeck

    TJ,

    “Gale is a great guy, but the whole minutes thing and all the other missing info online….”

    The minutes thing is because Gale deals with bad health issues that tend to slow things up. People only see him when he’s healthy, not sick. As for the missing info, that’s not Gale’s issue. That one should be discussed with Flavio, who BTW, despite the blatant lies of Cohen to the contrary, has not been paid one red cent for the Freebook work.

  19. TJ Campbell

    Pickens will run for NVC. Pickens will find a place in the XC if he is willing to run for something else. Like I said before, Kevin is my friend and I supported him until just recently when I began to feel I was being thrown away. I do not hate Kevin like Cohen does, I just have a few similar questions. I didn’t want Kevin to lose for the same reasons Bruce did, I just thought maybe it was time for change if he was too busy for his friends and libertarian activists. With a confidence vote like that, I hope it doesn’t go to his (Kevin’s) head and he keeps things going up (as he has according to retention and reglib numbers) but also reaches out to folks like me who seem to be, or at least feel, left behind. Either way, Pickens has a great idea for county websites and fundraising, I have some ideas he wants to utilize and, if nothing more, we are going to build Sacramento and Santa Clara counties into two strong affiliates (again? or for the first time I am not sure… I heard Santa Clara was good for awhile then Kevin left chair to go to state and we kinda fell off, despite my efforts as vice chair to keep doing all the stuff Kevin did). My goal is to see our party shatter the 100,000 reglib total and get thousands of dues paid members a week. If Takenaga is on board with that than I can deal with another term of his. I am even willing to work as a link between Takenaga and Pickens (if necessary) because of my relationships with both to avoid silly kindergarten fighting and keep both on track to improving our party.

  20. Michael Seebeck

    “Mike Seebeck, you claim to have left a legacy that someone can just slip into.

    I’d sure love to see it.

    And how about sharing this ‘system’ with the Northern Vice Chair, aye?”

    For your information, the only way you get to see it is if you come out of your desert cave, make nice to people for once in your life, and actually run for the spot and win. It’s not confidential, but otherwise you just ain’t worthy.

    And the Vice-Chairs continuity binder has the physical binder for the SVC, AND 2 CDs with the digital files on them–one for each Vice-Chair. I’m not as stupid as you act, Bruce (that would be impossible!), and it’s designed to work in either region. Why? Because I am a builder and you are a destroyer.

    As for operational continuity, it works, whether YOU think so or not. Helluvalot of F500 companies out there use those techniques successfully daily, and you don’t even realize it! It sure beats tearing everything down the way YOU advocate and destroying the LPCA in the process.

    You see why nobody likes you, Bruce? You make up lies, you slander people, and you act like a general asshole. That’s why you’ve been ignored by everyone. Sorry about the blunt language, but that’s the truth of it whether you like it or not. when you quit being a bitter child and grow up instead of holding personal grudges because people are doing things not your way. maybe, just maybe you’ll be welcomed back.

  21. TJ Campbell

    Pickens got NVC… the delegates just agreed like Mike he needed XC experience. That’s fine, cause that was Pickens initial goal was NVC.

  22. Bruce Cohen Post author

    I hear Pickens won Northern Vice Chair, the home of the ‘radicals’ and code pink Libertarians quite handily.

    I guess that’s an obstacle in your plan and theory now, isn’t it?

  23. Michael Seebeck

    TJ,

    “Either way, Pickens has a great idea for county websites and fundraising, I have some ideas he wants to utilize and, if nothing more, we are going to build Sacramento and Santa Clara counties into two strong affiliates (again? or for the first time I am not sure… I heard Santa Clara was good for awhile then Kevin left chair to go to state and we kinda fell off, despite my efforts as vice chair to keep doing all the stuff Kevin did). My goal is to see our party shatter the 100,000 reglib total and get thousands of dues paid members a week. If Takenaga is on board with that than I can deal with another term of his. I am even willing to work as a link between Takenaga and Pickens (if necessary) because of my relationships with both to avoid silly kindergarten fighting and keep both on track to improving our party.”

    County websites are doable already through Freebook. If Pickens (who has been elected NVC, according to my own sources) is good at fundraising, then let him have at it, because that fills a need. However, he also as NVC has the job of getting all the NR counties active as well, and that’s a steep order. It’s hard enough in the SR with 7/10 active.

    We all want to break that 100K level. 101K keeps our ballot line after 2014, based on the current numbers (will change in 2014, but it’s what we have for now). I presented that in my own report. Yes, Kevin is on board with that, and has been since before Prop 14 passed.

    Animosity between Kevin and Pickens? No idea. The vote going to his head? Unlikely. I know him well enough to say that.

  24. Michael Seebeck

    Bruce, why don’t you go eat those worms. The eat some more. At least that way you’ll be useful for something.

  25. TJ Campbell

    “Animosity between Kevin and Pickens? No idea. The vote going to his head? Unlikely. I know him well enough to say that.”

    I agree and just offered to be a link if necessary. I think Pickens will do well to inspire inactive counties, he re-inspired me. He is NO JESUS type and doesn’t need to be, I will help him as Bay Area counties (except for San Benito) are pretty active. We also need to work on Santa Cruz and Monterrey Co. can help with them. I just want to see my county get going again and he can help me get a new website up because LPSCC is horrid!

  26. Michael Seebeck

    See, folks, the difference here is that TJ and I are having a civil discussion, while Cohen is getting back the assinine crap he dishes out. I give as I get.

    Plus, TJ is respectable and a good guy. Cohen, not.

  27. TJ Campbell

    Careful Mike, I just don’t have a creative art department in my house to slam you with… LOL!

  28. Michael Seebeck

    TJ,

    I readily admit my NR knowledge sucks. It comes from being focused on the SR. I just hope he’s up for it and be an asset, and I wish him luck on it. Hopefully the VC binder info will help him, but he’s gotta build the physical 1-3 to do so, but the SVC one is the prototype to follow. And if he wants to take it a different way, then that’s fine, too. The VC binder is a tool to use, is all.

  29. TJ Campbell

    Mike, I will do my best to give Pickens some tips on XC having been there as an at-large and I am sure Kevin and Pickens can work fine together. I am ready to help either one of them if they just ask!

  30. Michael Seebeck

    Pagans don’t believe in the devil. That’s a Christian perversion for their own gains.

    Besides, I don’t think you’re the devil. An ass, yes, a jerk, yes, a fool, yes, but not the devil.

  31. David Colborne

    Any chance we in Nevada can get a hold of this binder? I’m always up for suggestions on how to build up party activities close to home. PDF or some other electronic format is fine.

  32. Michael Seebeck

    Well, for once you actually asked instead of spouting stuff as true.

    So, since you asked, here’s the real story.

    I had declared for re-election back at the beginning of the year, and was quietly campaigning into February when personal circumstances ran it all into the ditch. So I suspended the campaign, but never dropped out, with the idea that if the personal circumstances resolved that I would resume the campaign. They did not. So I did not seek re-election as SVC.

    Any statements that Kevin told me to drop out are entirely false. The decision was mine and mine alone, and based on my circumstances. Certain people that needed to know about the situation were kept in the loop throughout. During that time I scaled back my SVC in-person role for obvious and necessary reasons, but I was still involved in a lot of operations.

    These are the things that happen behind the scenes that people spread false rumors about because they have no idea what is rally going on. But rather than being the adult and simply asking the people that the rumors are about what the truth is, instead they be the child and spread the rumors without having any clue about the truth.

  33. TJ Campbell

    You know it may be an asset to have an asian american chair and an asian american vice chair (Pickens is Vietamese I believe) as I am running into so many fiscal conservative and libertarian asian americans in the bay area… many were reglib when I went looking for signatures to get on the ballot! There are plenty of Asian american democrats serving in bay area assembly and congressional seats, but hopefully this will show the changing face of our party from crusty old white guys to everyday people from all sorts of backgrounds!

  34. Pam Brown

    Hi Ted, Michael, Bruce! Thanks for all the updates. And the humor! I’ve been reading all the posts. Prop 14 is obviously a big problem, for all of us.

  35. Michael Seebeck

    Barnes controlling Kevin?

    What drugs are you on, anyway? Kevin despises Barnes, has for a long while, like since before Barnes’ past surfaced, and I’m pretty sure the feeling is mutual.

    Besides, Shannon is in way over his head. The membership will see that very soon.

  36. Michael Seebeck

    As far as expelling Barnes, the evidence is in the Executive Committee’s lap. What they do with it is up to them now, since I’m not on there anymore.

  37. JT

    What the hell is going on here?? This is embarrassing.

    Oh, and writing out “Mister” is annoying.

  38. John Galt

    I heard a rumor that Barnes may be soon controlling the IPR art department.

    Is there any truth to that rumor?

  39. Michael Seebeck

    From what I gather, here is the new XC:

    Chair: Kevin Takenaga (Santa Clara)
    NVC: C Michael Pickens (Sacramento)
    SVC: Matthew Shannon (San Bernardino)
    Sec: Lauren Hilton (Ventura)
    Treasurer: Brian Darby (Santa Clara)

    At-Large, up 2012:
    Dana McLorn (Ventura)
    Flavio Fiumerodo (Ventura)
    Alan Pyeatt (Los Angeles)
    Paul Darr (San Bernardino)
    TBD (See below)

    At-Large, up 2013:
    Armando Romero (Los Angeles)
    Carlos Rodriguez (Los Angeles)
    Nancy Zardeneta (Los Angeles)
    TBD (See below)
    TBD (See below)

    Alternates:
    1. TBD (See below)
    2. TBD (See below)

    At-Large or alternate, I don’t know which:
    Gale Morgan (Sacramento)
    Rich Vanier (?)
    Mike Paster (San Diego)
    Starchild (San Francisco)
    Brian Andressen (San Bernardino)

  40. LibertarianGirl

    is Brian Darby any relation to Nevada Libertarians Mike and Sandy Darby I wonder…
    I hope Starchild got it! and my homeboy tells me Dana is awesome too. looks like a good team:)

  41. Michael Seebeck

    Correction:

    Starchild, Gale Morgan, Rich Vanier confirmed as At-large, Mike Paster and Brian Andressen confirmed at alternates, order unknown.

  42. Michael Seebeck

    Final update:

    2-year At-Larges are Gale Morgan and Starchild.
    1-year At-large is Rich Vanier
    First Alternate is Brian Andressen
    Second Alternate is Mike Paster.

  43. Ted Brown

    Starchild has been trying to win election to the ExCom for many years. It looks like persistence counts. Congratulations to him and to the other new committee members. I’m pleased to say that 4 of the 15 committee members regularly attend our Pasadena supper club meeting, so the locals here should be well-informed about goings on in the LPC.

  44. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Oh and I asked them what the direction of the goat’s head star points mean and they said they would put it the right way this time?

    Whatever! Aren’t there a lot of different directions that thing could point?

    We could even put a big one up at a Convention and have it be a wheel of fortune that Member Donors could bet on and the LPCA could be the Casino.

    The LPCA Banks on it, and Members can bet on the different ways it can come up.

    Good Witch
    Bad Witch
    Left Handed Witch
    Right Handed Witch
    Leaning Left Witch
    Leaning Right Witch.

    There are ten different ways you could bet on it the way I imagine things.

    What if it comes up 6 on one spin and 9 on the next? Could we give the player a ‘Starchild Bonus’?

  45. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Hey, they owe me a Beck.
    An imported Beck’s Dark.

    Where is Michael’s Beck in the poster.

    Those guys must be smoking something over there at the Graphic Design Studio.

  46. TJ Campbell

    I am gonna love hearing how Kevin and others deal with Starchild … he was hard to handle when he was a guest to the meetings!! It will also be interesting how Boomer deals with a Vice Chair position and deals with Kevin and Pickens. Right now, not counting alternates, I see Kevin and 8 others with the ability to get along (but a few are not guaranteed at this time), Boomer, Starchild, and Darr (but if Darr is deployed that means Andresen from SBLP so probably a wash) will be the anti-Takenagas (I have no idea of Paster’s affiliation, but I know we had a good relationship built via emails during our campaigns in 2010 and he seemed to be into the ideas I had which are very much the same ideas Kevin, Pickens and others have for the LP of CA, but as 2nd alternate he may never get to vote at a meeting). The other 3 are wild cards. I have no idea of their affiliation as I don’t know them. So it looks as if the LP of CA will move in a more correct direction than they did in the past, hopefully we continue growing paid memberships with Picken’s ideas, hopefully reglibs continue to go up and hopefully our expired memberships dont go up. I also hope Starchild doesn’t embarrass us too much as a party now that he is unleashed from his assylum in San Francisco to wreak havock on the LP of CA XC. Since he has (at most) only 5 allies on the XC I hardly think we have anything to worry about from Starchild and his zaniness! I would worry about the South region keeping up with the rest of the party now that Seebeck got replaced by Shannon. Shannon may be able to recruit 30 pot smoking teenagers and early 20somethings to show up to meetings and donate the change they have left after their dime bag and munchie purchases to the party, but that “activism” that I know Starchild will be so proud of will be dwarfed by Pickens’s work, at least I hope so! I want to see Pickens lining up hundreds of party donors and hundreds of new members in the North Country every month or so. We shall see. Maybe Starchild and Shannon will do a 180 and actually start to realize that to make changes in our laws we need to win elections and gain credibility with the masses. And to do that we need folks of sound mind and good work ethics to go out and recruit members, volunteers, candidates, and donors. I may have interest in recruiting candidates this year after learning some things about that from Ted Brown last year and attempting to recruit some of my own candidates and volunteers last year!

  47. LibertarianGirl

    TJ_ I also hope Starchild doesn’t embarrass us too much as a party now that he is unleashed from his assylum in San Francisco to wreak havock on the LP of CA XC. Since he has (at most) only 5 allies on the XC I hardly think we have anything to worry about from Starchild and his zaniness!

    me_ that sounds a little rude , belive it or not theres a whole world of lefties out there that Starchild may be THE BEST PERSON AVAILABLE to reach out to them.

  48. TJ Campbell

    Maybe so, but Starchild has said he does not support the LP running candidates for office and gets scared every time we do ANYTHING like the major parties (like, for instance, use Robert’s rules of order at meetings) and he has no idea really what a political party is and should be doing. If he helps grow the party, great, but every time I go to a SF party meeting it’s the same group of 4 people so I don’t see any chance for growth out of that liberal bastion of a town. Ron Paul spoke there to support John Dennis… he (and Libertarian Phil Berg) combined got less than 20 percent of the total election for congress against Pelosi. San Francisco is a hopeless cause for the LP at this point. He has publicly stated that sex with children is okay, he is a sex worker himself (no probs with that myself but it’s not the most professional thing to have a prostitute on your board of directors) and really can detract from marketing this party to the mainstream which is the only way to win elections and the only real way to every change policy.

  49. TJ Campbell

    I know my views are very unpopular with the “libertarian left” if there even is one, but if you knew my personal politics I AM THE LIBERTARIAN LEFT… but even as an atheist, who is totally in favor of open marriages, lowering voting age and age of consent to 16 (or lower maybe) totally in favor of ending wars on drugs and prostitutes.. I never, NEVER talk about that stuff to the voter I am seeking a vote from unless THEY Bring it up because it is much easier to talk about the real issues on everyone’s mind these day – economy, education, jobs, military, foreign policy and wars – than throw a bomb on it and lose their vote, dollar support, and volunteer hours by making them think I want to have sex with a 10 year old. Starchild gives that impression to almost everyone living outside of San Francisco, CA!

  50. LibertarianGirl

    the mainstream never accomplished anything…we need to peck off the fringe , both left and right , the mainstream (of both)are too tone deaf to hear what we say …. Starchild would be supreme in bringing in the fringe left

  51. Bruce Cohen Post author

    The Mainstream has never had a chance at running any part of the LP without the ‘radicals’ messing things up.

    Hence the birth of Cato.
    Hence the birth of Reason.

    Hence Glenn Beck and Judge Napolitano and John Stossel and others stay away from the party.

    Hence the Objectivists and Ayn Rand hating us.

    No, the ‘radicals’ with all their nastiness and Machiavellian games have always chased the nice people away and kept us from growing.

    I love you LG, but that’s pure BULL.

    Mainstream Libertarians are actually the ONLY ones who ever HAVE done anything.

    Only Wayne Root gets on TV.
    In California, I get on live radio, local and national in a year more than the CA Chair and Party to in four years.

    Radical as in what?
    Being rude to people?
    Telling people how to think?

    Those are trademarks of the ‘radicals’ and not tolerated among the mainstreamers.

  52. LibertarianGirl

    JT_ I never, NEVER talk about that stuff to the voter I am seeking a vote from unless THEY Bring it up because it is much easier to talk about the real issues on everyone’s mind these day – economy, education, jobs, military, foreign policy and wars –

    me_ duh , and I dont talk about loving guns , doing away with the school system , welfare and taxes to the left… and your wrong ,you dont know what the ‘real issues’ are for everyone , those are unique to the individual . Among the lefties, ending war , also ending the drug war , gay issues , sex worker rights etc ARE big issues

  53. Bruce's Boyfriend

    Three days, three threads, and one thing is very clear. Bruce is very jealous of the success of Barnes.

    Maybe the two should double date.

  54. TJ Campbell

    It’s kinda like “know your role” too many times libertarians take on too many roles. Do what you are good at, don’t throw monkey wrenches in what anyone else is doing unless it would be harmful to the party. Problem is, to someone like starchild, me talking to a Christian group (even if I am atheist) means I am trying to turn our party into a right wing conservative party… Starchild needs to do what he is good at, recruiting sex workers and the two liberals in SF that will shut their yap about Obama long enough to understand a thing or two about civil liberties and small government. I sounded a bit harsh, it’s time for us LPers to work together and stop hurting each other’s efforts. Starchild and many “radicals” seem to try to force each Libertarian into a purity test of sorts to determine if they are a “real” Libertarian. I say, if you want smaller government (minarchists and anarchists can get behind that) then you are a libertarian of sorts and once you are in our party you will grow. I used to be anti gay, pro war, pro life and pro some gun control… I was a pot smoking liberal GOPer… but ever since 1996 I have grown into a much “truer” Libertarian. Starchild and others should be happy Wayne Root is on TV getting the LP and the word libertarian some fucking press! Just be happy that everyone you hear about (except matt barnes) is trying to build this party in some way so we can become a force to be reckoned with.

  55. Jill Pyeatt

    It was a great,productive weekend! It was wonderful to see my good friends. I`m so glad = spent the money and took the time to go!

  56. AroundtheblockAFT

    Reminds me of the time I was staying in a hotel where the state chapter of the “Order of Eagles” was holding their annual state convention.
    Not too hard to attend a hospitality suite and hear the conversation- rivals running for chair,
    angry stuff and denunciations, people trying to get laid, wrangling over who is violating the rules or packing delegations. At the end of the day, who ever heard of the Eagles – except for the kids back home who had their day brightened by one of their charitable activities or the parents whose huge medical bills were lightened by a local Eagles charitable endeavor.
    I wonder sometimes what the LP actually advances with their – I don’t really want to say meaningless – little state conventions?

  57. LibertarianGirl

    tj_ I sounded a bit harsh, it’s time for us LPers to work together and stop hurting each other’s efforts. Starchild and many “radicals” seem to try to force each Libertarian into a purity test of sorts to determine if they are a “real” Libertarian.

    me_ then stop doing it yourself ..the hurting effort-purity test mean-ness goes both ways and your flinging it. Id defend anyone saying Wayne is hurting the party and Ill do it for Starchild….

  58. Bruce Cohen Post author

    AFT @99 it’s just become a Machiavelliean little game.

    Dungeons and Dragons politics…

    West Wing Politics (The TV Show.)

    It’s become a game of virtually zero deliverables and has degenerated into the code pink weed party of child molesters.

    There are no deliverables like the Order of Eagles or Kiwanis Club.

    Kevin is ‘too busy’ or whatever, to return calls from Members or Candidates and lives in a dark fantasy world of his own making.

    Good for him!

    In the meantime, when people, Members and Candidates get cast aside (or thrown under the bus) by Kevin, they call me for help.

    I spent more time helping Candidates this last election than his entire 17 Member Board of Directors did.

    Combined.

  59. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Starchild doesn’t hurt the party by dressing up.

    He hurts the party be doing nothing but being a Robert’s Rules cowboy.

    He holds meetings attended by three people and recruits and fundraises not at all.

    There is no measure that you can call Starchild a political success by.

    He’s certainly colorful and fun to talk to, but seems to outsiders to have an acid permabuzz.

  60. Gene Trosper

    @102 True political success is held by very few Libertarians. It seems to me that registering a few voters and recruiting new dues paid memberships count as success in an otherwise unsuccessful organization. Why point out Starchild (who is a wonderful person, BTW) if you are going to rag on a perceived lack of success? Why not hold up a mirror to the organization as a whole?

    I understand that it’s easy to be a big fish in the LP’s small pond. Bruce, you are no longer anywhere near close to being a big fish like you once were. What is your motivation with these lame schoolyard attacks? To purge the LP of everyone you politically disagree with so you can try and reclaim something you once had: a position of limited influence in a go-nowhere organization? I think these posts by you are a reflection of your sad, post LPCA existence. Believe me: there is a good life…a better life outside of the LPCA. Go smell the flowers and try to make some friends in the real world instead of making everyone believe you are off your meds.

    I don’t have a horse in this rodeo anymore. The LPCA is ancient history for me anymore. However, since leaving, I have retained friendships with some genuinely good people I have met during my 20 years in the party. I respect their differences with me in terms of the LP, but beneath it, they are good human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

  61. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Hey Gene, you have no clue as to any of the back story.

    So stop guessing at it, young man.

    And yes, Starchild is super smart.
    What a waste of talent.

  62. JT

    I agree with Gene, Bruce. What the hell is your motivation here? What are you trying to achieve? To an outsider of the LPCA, you’re coming across like an obsessed lunatic.

  63. Gene Trosper

    @105 Well, give us ignorant types the back story. I’ll judge whether it has merit or not. Remember: I defended you (as did the Seebecks) when you were being blamed for sending out those anonymous emails regarding Barnes back in 2009, so I have no inherent biases for or against you.

  64. JT

    Bruce: “What outsider are you talking about JT?”

    I’m talking about myself. I don’t live in Calif. and I’m not aware of all the internal squabbles of the LPCA. But whatever they are, I know you’re coming across as an obsessed lunatic.

  65. Gene Trosper

    @108 if you have these “lost” minutes, then cough them up and explain why they are relevant to your attacks. If you cannot do that, then I will have no other choice but to chalk it up to “all talk, no action”.

    You’re being provided a public opportunity to demonstrate that you’re not as batshit crazy as some would like to believe.

  66. John Galt

    Does Trosper remind anyone else of Jason in a Friday The 13th movie??

    Just when you think he’s gone (having said so himself) he pops back up not only in these forums but even re-incarnated his Libertarian self to attend the LPC convention last year.

  67. Gene Trosper

    @111

    My main interest in this thread is my friends. I may have left the organization, but I retain friends and acquaintances who are still in the LPCA and other LP affiliates. Not a day goes by that I don’t hear something about the LP.

    Big deal. I have no interest in telling you all how to run your org, nor do I much care how it’s ran. Sometimes, I’m asked a question about something LP related by someone still involved and I will answer the question to the best of my abilities. Sometimes, I hear about good people (such as the Seebecks and the Pyeatts) being hounded by folk like Bruce Cohen. I refuse to sit by and let the good names of good people be sullied. I wouldn’t be much of a friend if I stood idly by.

    As for the convention last year: I had been talked into rejoining the LP by a contingent of (ironically) SBCLP members two years prior. At the time of last year’s convention, I was the chair of Riverside County (again, because I was asked), but due to the controversy, I got out because the entire situation sickened me. Anyhow, I was encouraged to attend the convention by a number of people, which I did because they wanted me there.

    I will admit that walking away was difficult and because I still have friends and acquaintances in the party, to some degree the LP will remain a part of my life. To that end, I may occasionally say something about the LP.

  68. Lionel Mandrake

    Boomer Shannon vs. Michael Pickens for LPC Chair in 2013.

    They are both allies in Anti-Takanaga Faction of the California ExCom.

    They both want to be chair in 2013,

    Pickens is from the Aaron Starr/Wayne Root/Bruce Cohen wing of the Party.

    Boomer is a classic Radical Libertarian.

    How long will their alliance of convenience last?

    Who will throw the other under the bus first?

    It will be fun to watch!

  69. Marc Montoni

    Reminds me of the time I was staying in a hotel where the state chapter of the “Order of Eagles” was holding their annual state convention. Not too hard to attend a hospitality suite and hear the conversation- rivals running for chair, angry stuff and denunciations, people trying to get laid, wrangling over who is violating the rules or packing delegations. At the end of the day, who ever heard of the Eagles – except for the kids back home who had their day brightened by one of their charitable activities or the parents whose huge medical bills were lightened by a local Eagles charitable endeavor. I wonder sometimes what the LP actually advances with their – I don’t really want to say meaningless – little state conventions?

    To some extent I agree — what does all the sound and fury accomplish?

    But then, just like with your Eagles example, we have to remember our bright spots:

    “Who ever heard of the Libertarians – except for the taxpayers back home who had their day brightened by the local Libertarians who were responsible for publicizing what had been thought a ‘fait accompli’ tax increase — and led the charge to defeat it?”

    “Who ever heard of the Libertarians – except for Tom Slonaker, the owner of an Arby’s in Charlottesville, Virginia, who was “under attack by his local zoning board”?”

    There are thousands of stories like that across the country.

    So take heart.

    As far as I’m concerned, LP conventions should be looked upon as a time to enjoy the company of the only people in politics who “don’t want to take your money”, “who won’t steal your children”, and “who won’t send cops to get in bed between you and your partner”.

    Of course, there are some exceptions to these generalizations — there are some people in the LP who are warmongerers, who favor expanding federal bureaucracies like the FBI, or who think there is no alternative to government police. However, I do not believe most of them are a majority, either in the LP or in the libertarian movement as a whole.

  70. AroundtheblockAFT

    Thanks, Marc, for the reminders of good things that can be accomplished. Though I still feel that many state conventions are actually counter-productive to local “good things happening” as is, to a large extent, the time, effort and money spent on running a candidate for president. We need ten thousand LPers actively educating the public on the value of liberty, not one guy (or gal) trying to run around the country and attract the attention of media outlets who are covering races where the candidates can actually win. As one burnt-out
    LPer put it to me, “Time for the LP, as a political party, to be put up on blocks in the garage. We can roll it out sometime in the future if it becomes a ‘classic.’ In the meantime, libertarians have to seek out every venue possible – primary campaigns, writing, speaking,
    becoming officers in community organizations –
    where they can influence opinion and give liberty some kind of future.”

  71. Michael H. Wilson

    I’m going to piggyback on Marc’s comments.

    Get your organization involved in a petition drive. I managed to collect 230 signatures on Friday in a five hour period. If this old fart can do it so can some of the younger people.

    Have your local people work at opening the urban transportation for hire business to private companies. Opening the market will save tax dollars, reduce emissions, and help low income people.

    Work at reducing the licensing fees and regulations that midwives have to pay. Doing so will give mothers a choice, and reduce infant and maternal mortality rates and save tax dollars spent on Medicaid.

    It isn’t difficult and I manage all three, so have at it.

  72. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Kudos to Wilson doing real work and not sitting around pretending.

    Thank goodness for the very few people left in the LP who do real retail politicking!

  73. Jill Pyeatt

    A few FACTS: Alan and I did not start the attacks on Bruce. After we saw the evidence of this type of deliberate, hateful, and destructive behavior, we agreed that he should have been purged from the party. He wasn’t, so we’re on to other, productive things. Curiously, I’ve never met Bruce, nor spoken to him on the phone. I truly don’t know the source of his hatred for me. Could it be that I’m a successful businesswoman, with a talented son and a smart husband? I dunno, but, I admit it’s creepy. He’s like a stalker to us.

    Alan and I NEVER supported Matt Bares, and still don’t. To all you readers: Bruce alludes to the fact that people call him and tell him what’s going on, but the sad truth is that he makes stuff up.

    Another thing that might surprise Bruce is that hew as the topic of conversation by many people over the weekend.
    He would be undoubtedly surprised at the long-time, respected Libertarians who had an opinion of why he has fallen to such a sad, friendless state. Someone’s words were: “stark raving mad’.

    I’m really glad WAR likes Bruce, but no one else seems to.

    It was very difficult for us to come up with the funds to attend the convention, and it’s a problem that I left my business for a few days. Alan and I still believe in the LP, however, and are continuing to try to get things going in the right direction.

    Thanks to those of you who see past the childish behavior of a lonely man. Alan and I will succeed in what we do, with or without Bruce’s attacks. You see, the convention did very well without him.

  74. Gene Trosper

    @117 Brucie darling, the Pyeatts did NOT support Barnes. I was involved in face-to-face discussions with Jill and Alan (among others) regarding the Barnes controversy and they were appropriately concerned. To their credit, they approached the issue in a much kindler, gentler manner than many would have, which may have given a mistaken impression of support.

    You have now been informed by individuals that the support for Barnes was not there. I would hope you take this information and adjust your arguments to properly drop this false accusation.

  75. Jill Pyeatt

    To all of you reading this: While those of us at the convention were busy working toward the common goal of liberty, Mr. Cohen stayed at home and provided three threads about the Convention for the possible amusement of all of you. So, read Bruces’s three threads–and he has the nerve to say we’ve attacked him? I’m done here. I’ve off to enjoy a day in Lake Tahoe with my handsome husband before we head for home.

    Yeah, right.

  76. Jill Pyeatt

    Thanks, Gene. It’s a shame the convention wasn’t close enough for you and Shannon to have at least come for drinks on one of the evenings. Maybe next year!

  77. Richard Winger

    Thank you very much to the people who attended the Sunday morning breakfast and responded to my request for donations to help the lawsuit pending against California’s Prop. 14 implementation. Individuals contributed $675, which is very generous and very much appreciated.

  78. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Richard, this is something the LPCA should have been doing a long, long time ago.

    The Chair is afraid of anything or anyone new and refuses all interview requests as well.

    I say here and now, the LPCA Board of Directors, all 17 of ’em ought to recruit a legal team to SUE.

    Doh!

    That’s what I would have done.
    That’s what I have been saying all along, too.

    And you know what?
    I bet a lot of Democrats and Republicans and Independents and Greens would help.

    But Kevin doesn’t like coalitions.

    Just ask Saava Vassilyev!

    Hey Richard, THANK YOU!

  79. Bruce Cohen Post author

    And just a capper from the Art Dept.
    They were asking me what ever happened to the California LP’s Monthly Periodical/Magazine…

    I told them it died a sad and painful death and there you go – BOOM! Another cartoon.

  80. David Colborne

    A monthly magazine won’t be missed. For profit ones like Newsweek have been circling the drain for years. You’re better off saving trees, postage, and distribution hassles and publishing exclusively online.

  81. Michael H. Wilson

    re #134 Done right you can make money with them. They are also good for outreach to new people. Drop them off at the library, a coffee shop or mail 300 to lib voters.

  82. Bruce Cohen Post author

    We had a lot of County people and Candidates that loved California Freedom.

    Candidates who we did articles about sometimes would get extra, though we really should have capitalized on that a lot more.

    County people would leave them at their Starbucks, give the to friends and neighbors, we would get a lot of nibbles, frankly, a whole different respons curve and profile.

    We did have a nice election mailer that had a slate page on it with all of the Candidates names, ranks and Serial Number.

    No regard to if they were pro-life or pro-choice.

    ‘Pro-War’ or ‘anti-war’, we didn’t ask.
    We just promoted the Candidates with the resources available, the email list I built and handed over to Richard Newell.

    [Anyone listening know why the guy resigned? That’s both Northern and Southern Vice Chairs in under a year, right?]

    Candidates are the now of the party and students are the future of the party.

    I’d love to see Mister Takenaga succeed with that. Nothing I say is preventing him from doing one of a thousand things to promote the party and build a success train.

    If me complaining about his lack of charisma or integrity is all that’s stopping him from being a successful Chair, than he’s not very determined.

    Anyway, when I was Executive Editor of CF, people would scream bloody murder if we had a combined month or were late or anything at all went wrong with the regular drip irrigation of CF.

    I’m sure someday, someone will figure out the secret of making the Magazine come back to life.

    But for now, the Editorial Cartooning Department is right.

    RIP CA Freedom.

  83. John Galt

    When so many of us supported the overthrow of the Yacht Convention administration we had no idea that we would be destroying the monthly paper, the fundraising efforts and registration drives.

    Sometimes the devil you know is better and we have seen proof positive.

    We’ve had a chairman, who is a nice guy and projects a good image at the conventions, but we’ve also had one of the rudest people on earth serving as our southern vice chair, whom has no doubt had people exiting the party in droves and if not so, at least avoiding his venomous tongue by not showing up at lp meetings.

    The new southern vice chair may be young, but what he lacks in administrative experience he more than makes up for in enthusiasm, and most of all he’s polite.

    I can only assume that the prior southern vice chair was abandoned or molested as a child or he had alcoholic parents who taught him no manners.

  84. Kimberly Wilder

    Richard Winger is at this convention. Cool!

    I think I might have seen mention of his program, before. But, I am not sure.

    Is there someone from IPR to do a quick story or report on Richard Winger’s presentation? I would be very interested. That would be interesting news, and great content for IPR.

  85. Starchild

    TJ Campbell @82, 84, 85, and 97 —

    TJ, you and I obviously disagree on many points when it comes to how to best advance the libertarian cause, but I’ve never had an impression of you as being mean-spirited. Your posting style, as far as I have observed it on various email lists that we’ve been on together, has generally been civil and constructive, and I have not had an impression of you as someone who plays fast and loose with the truth.

    So I was quite disappointed to read a number of inaccurate, misleading, and/or just plain rude statements that you made about me, the LPSF, and others in the comments referenced above:

    @82 – “I also hope Starchild doesn’t embarrass us too much as a party now that he is unleashed from his assylum in San Francisco to wreak havock on the LP of CA XC.”

    Since you also misspelled “havoc”, and since I don’t recall ever hearing anything from you to make me think you are homophobic, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt about “asylum” becoming “assylum”. But I still consider the insinuation of insanity against both myself and the Libertarian Party of San Francisco to be totally uncalled for.

    @82 – “Shannon may be able to recruit 30 pot smoking teenagers and early 20somethings to show up to meetings and donate the change they have left after their dime bag and munchie purchases to the party, but that “activism” that I know Starchild will be so proud of…”

    This wasn’t a jab at me as much as at Boomer Shannon and his fellow young “Alive/Free/Happy” activists, but — what the hell, TJ? I know you understand the importance of getting more young people involved in our party. Like myself, you’re a supporter of the National Youth Rights Association, and like me you’ve worked to legalize cannabis. I was amazed to see you being so implicitly disparaging to young people who choose to use marijuana, and even more amazed to see you put the word “activism” in quotes when referring to Boomer getting large numbers of teenagers and 20-somethings to attend LP meetings and contribute to the party, as if this were not real activism.

    @84 – “Starchild has said he does not support the LP running candidates for office…”

    I’ve never said any such thing! For me to have said that would be totally at odds with my actions, since I’ve donated to numerous Libertarian Party candidates (certainly in the double digits, although I haven’t been counting), helped numerous other LP candidates seeking office, and run for public office myself *five times* since 2000! Although only one of those races was for a partisan office, I have always proudly proclaimed my Libertarian Party affiliation.

    What I have often written and said — and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt again that you were not intentionally putting words in my mouth, but simply misunderstood me — are comments along the lines of the following:

    • Emphasizing and valuing “success” and “winning” more than “doing the right thing” is leading the LP down the path that has made the Republican and Democrat parties what they are today — organizations dominated by statist, elitist, integrity-lacking politicians dedicated to maximizing their own power and money.

    • Whether a politician has an “L” next to his or her name is not what really matters — what really matters is whether he or she supports freedom. If we “win” by electing Libertarians who do not end up supporting freedom (perhaps because LP members cared more about a candidate’s ability to get elected than what he/she really believed), we lose.

    • There are no rules requiring that a political party must run candidates as its sole or primary activity. Indeed we do many other things now, and there are many more things we potentially could do which might be more effective in spreading our message and attracting new people to the LP than what we are doing now. The key is to be flexible in our tactics and willing to think outside the box, so as to be able to seize opportunities when they arise.

    @84- “Every time I go to a SF party meeting it’s the same group of 4 people…”

    When was the last time you were at an LPSF meeting? Although I don’t make every single meeting myself and it’s possible you attended one in my absence, I can’t recall you being at any of our meetings in years.

    I also can’t recall a regular monthly LPSF meeting that had only four people in attendance. At a guess I’d say average attendance is at least double that. But don’t take my word for it, feel free to look for yourself, since recent minutes including the names of attendees are published on our website (http://www.lpsf.org/component/search/minutes%2Btj.html?ordering=newest&searchphrase=any).

    By the way, when I did a site search on LPSF.org for “minutes”, 48 results came up, but zero results came up for “tj”, “campbell”, or “tj campbell”.

    @84 – “He has publicly stated that sex with children is okay…”

    Misleading and out of context. Opposing laws that discriminate on the basis of age is not the same thing as saying sex with children is okay, any more than opposing drug laws is the same thing as saying that smoking meth is okay. Surely you’ve been around as a Libertarian long enough to understand this distinction.

    @85 – “…even as an atheist, who is totally in favor of open marriages, lowering voting age and age of consent to 16 (or lower maybe) totally in favor of ending wars on drugs and prostitutes.. I never, NEVER talk about that stuff to the voter I am seeking a vote from unless THEY Bring it up because it is much easier to talk about the real issues on everyone’s mind these day – economy, education, jobs, military, foreign policy and wars – than throw a bomb on it and lose their vote, dollar support, and volunteer hours by making them think I want to have sex with a 10 year old. Starchild gives that impression to almost everyone living outside of San Francisco, CA!”

    Well, guess what? By talking about your liberal beliefs here while posting under your real name, you just did bring up all that stuff to any voter (or reporter) who Scroogles* your name and happens to come across this web page. That wouldn’t be much of a problem for a radical candidate who is open and forthright about his or her beliefs, but it could be a real problem for a candidate who is trying to “market himself to the mainstream”.

    If there’s one thing voters probably dislike most in a candidate it’s dishonesty, and if they pick up on an effort to deliberately conceal stuff from them, it’s not likely to go over well.

    *I encourage anyone using the Google search engine for their web searches to use Scroogle ( http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm ) instead, as a more privacy-secure web search (Scroogle does your Google search for you, so that Google can’t see where the search is ultimately coming from or leave you any cookies).

    I don’t know anybody who thinks I want to have sex with a 10 year old, let alone “almost everyone living outside of San Francisco”. But if you keep saying I’m giving everyone that impression, perhaps some people will start to believe it. Is that what you want? Your comment about hoping I don’t “embarrass” the party would seem to indicate otherwise.

    @97 – “Problem is, to someone like starchild, me talking to a Christian group (even if I am atheist) means I am trying to turn our party into a right wing conservative party…”

    Once again totally false (I will not presume intentionally so). I have never said Libertarians should not talk to Christians or conservatives. I’ve talked to them myself, for instance when I spoke at a Tea Party rally in San Francisco last year. I think the closest thing I’ve said to that is to criticize Wayne Allyn Root for going on the Michael Savage show and talking about Savage, an aptly-named shock-jock who engages in rabid hatemongering (see e.g. http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200703210018), in positive terms.

    Libertarian outreach to the right is not the problem. The problem is that our outreach and messaging is often geared more toward the right than toward the left, and there needs to be more balance.

    * * *

    As I said at the beginning of this post TJ, your comments above seem out of character for you. Perhaps you were just having a bad day or something. But since the comments were made, I needed to set the record straight on a few points.

  86. Michael H. Wilson

    What impression is that Bruce? That Starchild, who is one of the hardest working Libertarians in the State of California, is dedicated to the principles of the movement and is unwilling to compromise those values simply to get a bigger vote total.

  87. Richard Winger

    I think Starchild is one of the clearest thinkers in the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement and I am delighted that he was elected to the State Committee at the recent state convention.

  88. Alan Pyeatt

    Those of you who were actually at the convention (as opposed to one individual who has taken infantile pot-shots from hundreds of miles away, but did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to resolve the problems he complains about) know that I brought up the problem of the newsletter and communications between the CALP Executive Committee and the general membership. This happened during the question-and-answer session with the Southern Vice Chair candidates. Starchild also addressed the issue during our Executive Committee meeting after the convention.

    While I wouldn’t expect any Pulitzer Prize-winning publications immediately, this problem WILL be resolved. But we have a lot on our plate, so please continue to be patient.

  89. Jill Pyeatt

    I’d also like to say how pleased I am to have Starchild on the Ex Com. I find him to be consistent in his principles, fair and welcoming to others, and I hope perhaps he and I can work together on the ExCom in another year.

  90. Michael H. Wilson

    Alan I am assuming you are on the ExComm. I edit the news letter for the Washington State party and would like to create a forum, for lack of a better term, to exchange articles with other state parties that also put out a news letter. Something like a Libertarian wire service.

    Any thoughts? My computer skill are not much beyond turning the machine on so I am at a loss at to how to proceed.

  91. JT

    I must say I’m very impressed with Starchild’s even-handed, intelligent response to such hostility. The fact he was able to be so composed while respectfully explaining himself is something some other Libertarians would be wise to emulate.

  92. Gains

    Starchild is an active, honest, deliberate, centered, compassionate, thoughtful, imaginative, and energetic person who lives his life according to his own wishes. I have never seen him do anything that came close to using force or fraud to get his way and have seen him stand strong in the face of onslaughts that would have knocked most men, women (or undeclared) down.

    He has an individual style and some seemingly ambitious goals that may not get popular consideration very quickly. But that individuality will very likely add some positive contrast to the “same ol’, same ol'” and variety to the marketplace of ideas on the ExCom.

    The ExCom meeting seems to have gone very smoothly after the convention. Starchild did his thing which was a little dilitory, but I think that it was a freshman mistake that is very common. No one took offense, though there are certainly some old guard that are concerned that the meetings could be dominated if Starchild does not let others have their turns more.

    He seems reasonable to me and once he learns the ropes, I think he will be a very positive influence. I don’t expect any problems with this years ExCom in terms of in-fighting, and considering who is on there, many hard working activists, I think we might see some real progress.

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