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LPCA Convention Convenes Saturday!

9:00 a.m. Convene/ Credentials Report/
  Adopt Program  
9:05 a.m. Officers and Working Committee Reports: Chair , Northern Vice Chair, Southern California Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer, Committees
10:15 a.m. Consent Calendar  
10:20 a.m. Keynote Speaker Steven Greenhut – How the GOP is
Heading Toward Irrelevancy
11:30 a.m. Bylaws Committee Report   
Lunch, Speaker Judge Jim Gray (ret.) – It’s About Time: Owning the Marijuana Tax and Regulate Initiative of 2012
1:25 p.m. Reconvene, Credentials Report, Bylaws Committee Report  
2:55 p.m. Saturday Afternoon Speakers Tad Lumpkin and Harold Uhl
The American Drea
3:25 p.m. Reconvene, Credentials Report , Bylaws Committee Report  
5:30 p.m. Recess  

6:30 p.m. Saturday Evening Banquet: Speaker John Stagliano – My Triumph in Court: a First Amendment Victory
9:00 p.m. Poker Tournament

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  1. Starchild Starchild April 12, 2011

    On the positive side (regarding Seebeck’s report), I thought his slide show giving registration and membership numbers and goals county by county was terrific, and set a good standard for Vice Chair reports.

    Naturally, some of that praise is contingent upon the data being accurate.

    Outgoing LPC Secretary Gale Morgan said during the Executive Committee meeting following the convention that the Libertarian Party of California has 977 paid members. When I asked whether that number included life members, he said yes, but when I asked how many were life members, he said he didn’t know.

    If Mike Seebeck is correct that the southern region of CA has 477 party members, and Gale Morgan (who as Secretary should be the source of the information and have the most accurate data) is correct that the California LP has a total of 977 members, then by subtraction the northern region would have 500.

    Although this is possible, it would be somewhat odd, since southern California has a significantly larger population than northern California.

    The line between the northern and southern Vice Chair regions is set at the northern boundaries of San Luis Obispo, Kern, and San Bernardino counties, and conveniently this is the same division (10 counties in the south, 48 counties in the north) used by Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_California

    That site lists southern California’s population as 22,422,614, and California’s total population as 36,756,666 , indicating that the southern 10 counties comprise about 61% of the state’s total population. While it is possible that these southern counties nevertheless have only 49% of California LP members, some additional confirmation of that fact would make it more credible.

    Adding to the confusion, when you go to the California LP’s website and click on the “Connect” tab and then the “Members” sub-tab, you find a “Members Directory” which lists only 102 members ( http://ca.lp.org/members/ ). My guess however is that these “members” are simply whoever signed up to use the website, and some of these people may not be LPC members at all, while many other LPC members are not listed.

    Under the “Members Directory” heading on this page is a button labeled “Members Map”, which sounded promising in terms of at least showing a geographical pattern of distribution, but the button appears to be a non-functional one that simply redirects you to the home page.

    I will copy this post via email to members of the California LP Executive Committee and seek clarification on the membership numbers, as well as recommending that the party’s website not use a different definition of “member” than the one used in the party’s bylaws.

  2. Starchild Starchild April 12, 2011

    @32 – “One weird thing I have never seen in an officer report before was using the position to endorse his replacement.”

    Yeah, I noticed that while listening to Mike Seebeck’s Southern Vice Chair report too, and thought it was not only unusual but inappropriate.

    In the end it didn’t affect the outcome however, since the guy he didn’t endorse won the election.

  3. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    Kevin has disowned a whole huge long list of people.

    Don’t feel bad, TJ and welcome to the club.

  4. TJ Campbell TJ Campbell April 10, 2011

    Mike, so you made something to give to the next administration… plus there will be holdovers… our party will not fall apart if Pickens is chair. He is very capable, not much different ideas than Kevin but he returns my calls and I have talked to Kevin once since I left the XC. I put in a lot of work both on and off the XC for Kevin and he has no use for me now… hmmm… Mike Pickens had a meeting with me the other day and reinspired me to be active and he is going to help us put up a better website for SILICON VALLEY’s LP cause the LPSCC one sucks! He has tons of ideas, I hope he doesn’t lose his fire like Takenaga. And Mike, what are we doing about Prop. 14? What can we do? Our registration is climbing, Mike’s ideas will only increase it at a faster rate, and no matter what happens in June primaries, the AIP, Greens and us will not lose ballot access. Peace and Freedom might but they are so very irrelevant and just a SF political party anyway.

  5. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    I lied about who won the tournament?
    LOL

    Hardly

  6. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt April 10, 2011

    TCampbell @ 145: Brian Darby had numbers available yesterday at the appropriate time. Did you hear otherwise?

  7. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    Bruce is a chronic liar.

    Mrs. Holtz won the tournament.

  8. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    TJ,

    “Operational Continuity is an overblown bunch of bull shit anyway Mike. It’s just another way to say, see, I had the title before so I know what I am doing.”

    Not true, says my managerial experience. When you spend time developing the necessary process and infrastructure to make things operate and then chuck it all away via reorgs because someone new comes in and wants to do it their way instead, it makes the previous efforts a complete waste. In the case of this administration, we’ve been cleaning up previous messes and trying to make things work and build up. A new administration right now, in the middle of doing that plus fighting the Prop 14 ballot access battle, will simply doom the Party. As I clearly pointed out in my report yesterday, to survive we need to grow, not tear down and reinvent everything for the umpteenth time in the past 40 years. If a new administration is willing to build on what the old one started, fine, but I don’t see that happening, from pure egos more than anything else. What I built as SVC–the continuity binder, the training classes, the LAC work, are all designed to be passed off to someone else to pick up from scratch, read it, and run with it. It is a system that is proven to work in the real world, which is why I adapted it here. What is hard to replace is the personal contact and chemistry between individuals that makes it work as well.

  9. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    We are all waiting for the Conventioneers to wake up from their horrible hangovers.

    Will start a new thread soon

  10. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 10, 2011

    MS_As far as (state) convention delegates go:

    – they have to be State Central Committee delegates for any 90 days prior to the convention, with the exception that each member of the XC may seat one SCC member who doesn’t fit that requirement.
    – A SCC member must apply, pay the dues, and sign the Pledge, or get elected to office while being at least a registered Lib.
    – A SCC member may be a registered Lib or Decline to State (CA) or Unaffiliated or Independent (NOT AIP!) in other states.
    – There is no residency requirement for a SCC member.

    That’s the long and short of it right there.

    me_ that makes a little more sense ……thank you

  11. TJ Campbell TJ Campbell April 10, 2011

    As far as Operational Continunity goes,

    if Gale Morgan is NVC, McLorn SVC, I am somehow in absentia elected Treasurer that is plenty of XC experience (with current administration) not to mention Beau Cain, the damn brains behind our party anyway… will continue on (I hope) as our office manager and continue his fine job or organization. Our new secretary could be former XC and FIVE of the at large will be holdovers plus new FIVE may be previous experience XC.

    Operational Continuity is an overblown bunch of bull shit anyway Mike. It’s just another way to say, see, I had the title before so I know what I am doing. I love you and Kevin, Mike. I really support you in your endeavors in the party and outside of it. But every 4 years is good timing to change things up. How long should Kevin stay on? 10, 20 more years? Give me a break! I took 2 years off to get my personal life back on track, I did it, I am ready for another challenge. Brian Darby doesn’t impress me as our county chair and certainly is an embarrasment as our State Treasurer if he doesn’t even have any numbers to share with the delegates who spent their hard earned money and their weekend to drive to BFE/Nevada (some thru the snow) for a convention.

  12. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt April 10, 2011

    Aaron Starr told me at dinner tonight that he isn’t running for chair, and didn’t know where the rumors came from. I kinda believed him.

    We’re having a great time, but the Seebecks are missed. I’ll try to send some more photos over the next few days.

  13. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    When you come out of the desert and get a clue as to what’s really going on, feel free to get back to us. Until then, be productive at something by taking care of Ginger.

  14. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    That’s because you’re out of the loop and have no idea what is going on save your delusions and false allegations.

  15. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    Anyone that disagrees with Michael Seebeck is obviously clueless.

    And along with the clues I am less, I am also at a loss to know what you guys did in the last four years except feed the dog your homework.

  16. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    So, Bruce, you favor tearing the past 4 years down AGAIN and laving us to rebuild while in the middle of fighting for our political lives from Prop 14?

    Are you that clueless?

  17. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    Operational Continunity is the best and only reason you can think of to relect the Kevinator?

    I’ll say we could use some non-continuity and start up the Monthly Magazine again and the weekly opinion pieces going out to all the Press and all the other good stuff a Membership Organization ought do.

    Or we could re-elect the ‘West Wing’ Fantasy Chair one more time.

  18. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    David @124, Dana is already on the XC. He’s in mid-term.

    Bruce @126, read the Bylaws, it’s in there. Yes, I agree it’s a problem, and it should be fixed. I could have done it myself, but I had the ethos to no do so.

  19. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    Anybody But Kevin.

    I hope to see a lot of ABK buttons on Delegates tomorrow. LOL

    No more Dungeons and Dragons LPCA!

  20. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 10, 2011

    Why does Pickens need experience on the XC? To make motions?

    To call people on the phone and ask them to join?

    Gee, Bruce, it’s called “operational continuity”. One of those management concepts that ensures that we don’t have to reinvent the fucking wheel every time the leadership changes, like we had to do in 2007. Pickens has no idea how the office operates, what procedures are in play and why, who the players are and what they do and where they are. He has no clue about ANY of that stuff, and he expects to come right in and run things?

    Sorry, but Management 101 states that the best managers and leaders are home-grown and not brought in from the outside. Not only have I lived that, but had the Gatorade bath to validate it.

  21. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    TJ Campbell for Treasurer!

    Hopefully the dog won’t eat his homework.

  22. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    Pickens did not knock out Kevin.

    Word from the table is Kevin got lucky on the River.

    But both Takenoogie and the next Chair of the LPCA, Mister Pickens are at the final table.

  23. TJ Campbell TJ Campbell April 10, 2011

    Wayne Root did live in Cali for awhile so it wasnt EXACTLY carpet bagging, also in 2008, I almost credentialed with Michigan (my home state) for LP Nat. Con. in Denver to make room for another delegate for Cali but we didn’t need the extra spot and Michigan filled theirs (I think).

  24. TJ Campbell TJ Campbell April 10, 2011

    Pickens knocked out Kevin he just texted me that he did. Is this a pre cursor for tomorrow?

  25. TJ Campbell TJ Campbell April 10, 2011

    And I can add and report correct numbers and I won’t rest if the numbers don’t add up. Brian Darby needs to get busy being our county chair and has tons of work at his job, right now, I have loads of time on my hands.

  26. TJ Campbell TJ Campbell April 10, 2011

    I like Mike Pickens for Northern Vice Chair or Chair. Somone can throw my name in for Treasurer (if bylaws allow for someone to run in absentia). I am not a CPA or treasurer now but have done treasurer for LP in Michigan and treasurer for 2 years with a high school students against drunk driving group. I have great organization skills and think I would do Aaron Starr and Bruce Cohen proud :p !!

  27. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson April 10, 2011

    LG how many postcards were sent out for that $1500?

  28. Ted Brown Ted Brown April 10, 2011

    FYI, anyone is eligible to be a full-voting LPC member, if he or she signs the pledge, and is not a registered member of another party. Hence, minors and those not eligible to vote in elections for other reasons (citizenship, felony convictions, etc.) can be members and hence convention delegates.

    Someone mentioned the 14 year old girl who ran for LNC chair many years ago. I remember voting for her as a protest on the 1st ballot. I don’t know what happened to her.

  29. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 10, 2011

    Both announced Chair Candidates are in the Poker Tournament as we speak.

    We may have a showdown before tomorrow’s election, it does seem.

  30. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    I don’t see how that is POSSIBLY legal.

    You are a Member in ONE County and one only.

    Voting in more than one County or affiliating with more than one is nothing more or less than stuffing the ballot box.

  31. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    I tried to talk with the guy pre-Con, but was unable.

    Aaron Starr, usually a good judge of character says that Dana is a good sort and a worker, too.

    Something rarely present, either two things, in the last four years worth of Board Members and Officers.

  32. David Colborne David Colborne April 9, 2011

    Dana’s been a visitor to some of our Nevada events up here – based on my admittedly limited experience with him, I believe he would be a fantastic addition to the LPCA Ex Comm.

  33. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Why does Pickens need experience on the XC? To make motions?

    To call people on the phone and ask them to join?

    I think not.

    The day ought go to the person who can best represent and promote the Membership of the LPCA.

    Might I add that the Southern California base of the LPCA usually is 2/3 of the Membership, but gets no respect.

  34. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    As far as (state) convention delegates go:

    – they have to be State Central Committee delegates for any 90 days prior to the convention, with the exception that each member of the XC may seat one SCC member who doesn’t fit that requirement.
    – A SCC member must apply, pay the dues, and sign the Pledge, or get elected to office while being at least a registered Lib.
    – A SCC member may be a registered Lib or Decline to State (CA) or Unaffiliated or Independent (NOT AIP!) in other states.
    – There is no residency requirement for a SCC member.

    That’s the long and short of it right there.

  35. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Pickens? He has ZERO experience on the XC, so how in the world could he even possibly be Chair? I have a better chance of being LNC Chair in Las Vegas in 2012 than that, and I’m not stupid enough to run!

  36. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Of course, there are some notable people who have voted in the Los Angeles and San Bernardino Counties in the same Month, we hear.

    We hear that’s Gains/Live on Location, by the way, but we have no proof, just an ugly rumor.

    No rumor. It’s truth, and I’m a witness. I’ve also seen Boomer Shannon vote in SBD and Riverside over the course of 3 days.

    Unfortunately, as the Bylaws are now worded (and not fixed yet in this regard) it’s perfectly legal carpetbagging.

    As SVC I have made it a point to caucus with none of the counties in the region as a sign of impartiality. I would hope that my successor would have the ethics and professionalism to so likewise. The exception being if that SVC also happens to be a county chair where tie-breaking votes are necessary, which did not apply to me.

  37. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Poker tournament begins soon.

    12 Registrants so we will see who is the poker King or Queen of the day!

    I hear Brian Holtz and his Bride are entered. I would expect the Chairperson to also be entered as he fancies himself as a poker player.

    And, Rick Bronstein is in, watch out for the man’s good luck in poker, we heard he had a good day yesterday in the casino, but it’s just another ugly rumor.

  38. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Gene @106: Thanks, my friend, I appreciate that a lot!

  39. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    I just got back from a meeting of the Southern California Libertarian Party Loyal Opposition.

    Kate O’Brien was there, and it was fun to see her, as not too long ago, I was her Campaign Manager for her winning election effort.

    We discussed the Convention and the election and took multiple calls from Convention Delegates and had the callers on speaker for the meeting to be able to hear what was going on.

  40. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Gale Morgan is the declared Candidate for Northern Vice Chair and there seems to be no opposition.

  41. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Michael Pickens has announced he will run for Chair.

    Michael has a small business in Sacramento and is very involved in his community and his Chamber of Commerce.

    I don’t know a lot more about the guy, or if he’s pro-war, or anti-war or pro-life or pro-choice, I just know he’s pr0-Libertarian, and so far everyone I know who has met him at the Convention says they like him and he shakes hands very well.

    We shall see.

  42. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    It appears that Dana McClorn will be running for Southern Vice Chair.

    The rumors that someone will step up to run against Kevin seem to have gelled in the last hour or so and please see the next post for their name.

  43. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Norm Westwell, a huge Takenaga supporter used to bring his two pre-teen children to LPCA Conventions and they voted there. This is not new. We don’t even require citizenship.

    My girlfriend who was a Japanese citizen got LPCA Membership and voted in a few things, even.

    There was no carpetbagging going on.
    I do believe Kevin wanted him to be or asked him to be seated with California.

    Just like in California, you can affiliate with any one County you want to.

    Of course, there are some notable people who have voted in the Los Angeles and San Bernardino Counties in the same Month, we hear.

    We hear that’s Gains/Live on Location, by the way, but we have no proof, just an ugly rumor.

    Oh, and back to Wayne Root.
    He did not credential his other children, just Dakota, and me, I hope she becomes a Libertarian because of the positive experience and example we all create for her to see.

    Right?

    Why is that a sin when Wayne has his daughter involved? But when a ‘radical’ does it, it’s just looked aside at. Even the cheating, literally cheating that radicals do, is blown off, but dare Wayne Root have a daughter that can give a rousing knock-your-socks-off Speech at the National Convention and it’s evil?

    Give us a breath of air, please.

  44. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    DR_ im not talking about being a delegate to Nat Con , just a delegate to the Cali Conv. Trying to formulate my own hypothesis as to why the LPN made such an expenditure with seemingly no return…

  45. Gene Trosper Gene Trosper April 9, 2011

    Dakota Root isn’t the only example of a non-voting age delegate in the LP. Back in 1993 at the Salt Lake City convention, a 14 year old girl was planning to run for national chair.

  46. Delegate Requirements Delegate Requirements April 9, 2011

    I meant: (They may even have been delegates to the state convention, though I’m NOT sure of that.)

  47. Delegate Requirements Delegate Requirements April 9, 2011

    LG: what does it take to be credentialed as a delegate ? you do have to reside in Cali correct?

    I think not.

    In 2008, Root carpetbagged his entire family to the LPCA convention to get them credentialed as delegates to the national convention. (They may even have been delegates to the state convention, though I’m sure of that.)

    Even Dakota, then under voting age, was credentialed as a delegate to the national convention.

    So it doesn’t appear that one must be a CA resident, or even of voting age, to be registered to be a delegate.

    (Although if you’re “of age,” I think you must be either a registered Libertarian or Independent.)

  48. Gene Trosper Gene Trosper April 9, 2011

    LG: I think the convention rules are posted on the LPCA website. I’m not positive since I haven’t even peeked at the LPCA website in a couple years. Give it a shot though.

  49. Gene Trosper Gene Trosper April 9, 2011

    Mike: You’ve done an excellent job as SVC and if there were more people like you involved, there might be hope for the LPCA. My words probably don’t hold much water since I’ve ran far away from the LPCA, but I offer them regardless.

  50. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    question: what does it take to be credentialed as a delegate ? you do have to reside in Cali correct? (prob a stupid question)

  51. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    theres no back room deal , just a bad fucking idea and a poorly worded postcard saying for $100 you can attend a VIP dinner at the eatery of your choice , still doesnt make sense . If I could post photos here Id post a copy. What does NV get out of this , well , nothing id bet , absolutely fucking nothing. Im certain LPN wont make their money back and if it did , Id chew my own arm off before the CCLP ever got a penny back im certain

  52. David Colborne David Colborne April 9, 2011

    Well, if your Ex Comm and my Ex Comm know nothing about that, then I’m thinking it didn’t happen.

  53. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Most likely true, Jill.

  54. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt April 9, 2011

    Bruce @ 90 and Mike @ 92: Of course, there’s always the possibility that Kevin doesn’t return Bruce’s phone calls because he considers Mr. Cohen irrelevant to the party.

  55. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    I am not aware of any arrangements to purchase access to California’s fundraising list.

    That’s because there wasn’t any. If there were, it requires a vote of our XC, and we haven’t had even a motion on it.

  56. David Colborne David Colborne April 9, 2011

    As for the $1500, it was authorized for post cards to Libertarian-registered voters in Northern Nevada to tell them about the upcoming LPCA convention and to advertise State’s new web site at LPNevada.org. I am not aware of any arrangements to purchase access to California’s fundraising list.

  57. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Hey I don’t call Kevin.

    No, you simply call him names.

  58. David Colborne David Colborne April 9, 2011

    I am not hosting a fundraiser at the LPCA convention. We at the local level thought of hosting an event on Friday but discovered Beau had other, better plans. At the State level, there was an announcement on our Meetup page by our Clark County Chair and State Secretary indicating a possible event this weekend in Incline Village, which is on the opposite shore from the LPCA convention on Tahoe, for high-end fundraisers. Sadly, I am short of details on that one. I will be attending the banquet tonight, however.

  59. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Hey I don’t call Kevin.
    I wasn’t referring to me or to you.

    That ‘you’ I used when I was talking about ‘you’ was the ‘royal’ you, or an in general you.

    You have access, but do Members?
    I don’t think so.

    Aaron posted his direct email and phone.
    Kevin hides behind Beau’s skirt.

  60. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    I was specifically told by person or persons on the LPCA Board, serving with you, that Matthew had to specifically apologize to a parent in Visalia for smoking weed with their son.

    News to me.

    I was further told it was common knowledge on the Board. I have no way of verifying it, but it does fit the Mister Barnes I know.

    Also news to me but at that point I wasn’t on the XC either. I got elected to it that convention. I have no idea who knew what there.

  61. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    “What is a C.S. degree? ”

    Look it up.

  62. Lidia Seebeck Lidia Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Computer Science.

  63. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Mister T can’t answer phone calls, can’t return phone calls and hides from interviews.

    Funny, he answers and returns my calls (but not yours), and I have yet to see him hide from any interview.

    He’s not an organizer, he’s not a recruiter, he’s not a leader, he’s not a fundraiser.

    He’s an administrator, which is what the Chair does. Organizing, recruiting, and fundraising are local jobs, and for the Executive Director when we have one.

    I’m thinking he’s a bit success challenged at this point and it’s time for a rest, you know how you were saying he’s so busy with his job and TV set and polishing his expensive car and all that time with the girlfriend and the kids from his previous two marriages and Kiwanis Club, choir, violin with the San Jose City Orchestra and his organic garden and apiary.

    I’m thinking you’re just factually challenged and it’s time for you to give it a rest with all your gripes and bullshit.

    Kevin just is spread to thin to call you back.

    Funny, we’ve been swapping RRONR texts for the past few minutes.

    Could it be that maybe he doesn’t call you back because A. He has better party things to do? and B. He doesn’t like you?

  64. John Galt John Galt April 9, 2011

    Pardon my ignorance, but as I said, I’m here to learn.

    What is a C.S. degree?

    Sounds pretty impressive and would qualify for a very high salary. Employment would likely never be a problem.

    If I’m not being too nosy, nor forward, how much would a person with such qualifications expect to make a year?

    Thank you in advance for this information.

  65. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    It seems not that Kevin either can, or is ‘doing the job’.

    Mister T can’t answer phone calls, can’t return phone calls and hides from interviews.

    He’s not an organizer, he’s not a recruiter, he’s not a leader, he’s not a fundraiser.

    And for the job he has, he ought to be at least reasonable at all of those.

    I’m thinking he’s a bit success challenged at this point and it’s time for a rest, you know how you were saying he’s so busy with his job and TV set and polishing his expensive car and all that time with the girlfriend and the kids from his previous two marriages and Kiwanis Club, choir, violin with the San Jose City Orchestra and his organic garden and apiary.

    Kevin just is spread to thin to call you back.
    Sorry.

  66. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    None of those scenarios are going to happen today

    Primarily because elections are tomorrow.

    Secondarily because nobody else is up to the job.

  67. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Hey Mike, what about the financials?

    Not my department. When it comes to the books, that’s other people.

  68. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    You sir, embraced the man and allowed him into your home.

    That is true. It’s also true that at that time I had no idea that he was a serial pedophile, and also that he took no steps to inform me of that risk around my son, which to me as a parent is unconscionable. Had I known that, he would not have been allowed. He also showed up uninvited.

    You knew about him giving marijuana to children and looked the other way, some have said, I never was there, so that’s all I know is what people said about it…

    Incorrect. I know he uses the stuff for medical reasons. I have never been aware of or seen him give any to minors. Any such claim is a lie.

    But certainly he WAS your friend and was NEVER mine.

    I was deceived at that point, but not now. So were a lot of people.

    And the pot connection, well rumor has it that Matt gave pot to the son of a very highly place LP Officer at the national level at an LPCA Convention?

    That is a rumor to which I have no knowledge. Ask that specific LP officer, who coincidentally, was one of the JC members who reinstated him *and you*.

    I sure have no clue if that’s true or not, but if you knew that about Matthew too, and didn’t tell anyone about it, well gee…

    Again, you’re implying falsehoods. Knock it off.

  69. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Speculation is in the air about who, if anyone, might run against Kevin.

    So far everyone I have talked to has not said they will.

    Everyone I have asked to has said they won’t.

    And frankly, several of Kevin’s close friends, surprisingly enough, recently asked me to run.

    None of those scenarios are going to happen today, and time will only tell if Kevin will get his wish/plan for all officers to be elected by acclamation/unanimously.

  70. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Hey Mike, what about the financials?

    Did the dog eat that homework for a year too, err I mean the server? Can we get some good numbers about how broke the LPCA is here, puhleeze?

  71. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    You know, Bruce, if you had a clue, you’d realize something rather obvious:

    I’M NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION!

    That simple fact is enough to make all these lame-assed photoshops bogus on their face.

    I have no intention or desire to be the “face” of the LPCA. I never have, and if you or anyone else thinks that’s the case, then you’ve been sharing too much weed with Mr. Gains.

  72. Lidia Seebeck Lidia Seebeck April 9, 2011

    I see, so the “grown-up caucus” failed to remember some fairly simple Statistics while the person you imply is a child has a math degree (AND a CS degree) and can solve equations that would make your head spin.

    I think I see who the grown-up is, here.

  73. What else can you expect from an ‘American’ whom bows to Jerusalem as soon as three stars appear in the evening sky? A United States ‘patriot’ whom sees no problem in dead and dying American sailors as victims of Israeli armaments on the non combatant USS Liberty in international waters.

  74. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    In simple terms, Bruce, it was mismanagement of the previous administrations that blew the budget and drove people away, and it was Kevin’s administration that has picked up the pieces and put it back together again, reversing the bad trends on expired memberships and also increasing our registrations. Not to mention making sense out of the office, which was a mess before Angela tried to do it.

  75. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    I’ll have to have Aaron explain all that to me, sorry, but I’m not catching on.

    I guess I’m a feel guy and not a math guy.

  76. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    If you want to know what LPNV did, ask LPNV. I have no idea.

    But implying a payoff when there wasn’t one, yeah, that’s libelous.

    Yeah, it is hard for you to get the facts, because you’re so outside the loop you can’t even see the amusement park. That’s why your continued crap is bullshit and why so many people despise you.

    The Regional membership number was in my report and posted above. The 20-year expiration number was 5,225. The 2000-2007 number was 4,775, trending all over the place. The 2008-10 number was 201, trending down. The 1991-9 number was 247, trending up.

    IOW, 96% of the 20-year expireds came before Kevin became chair, 91% in 2000-7, and that’s on the heads of the previous administrations of Starr and Hinkle–the so-called “grownups” who also blew the budget.

  77. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt April 9, 2011

    Mr. Cohen probably just can’t handle the fact that the CA LP does just fine without him. In fact, we’re doing very well at the convention without him.

  78. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Look I have zero idea why the LPNV would spend $1500 to do what was it, I don’t exactly know what they got for the $1500

    For me to ask a question is in no way libelous and I am honestly trying to figure out what the heck is going on, so keep talking Mikey and tell us what’s going on…

    WHY did the LPNV ‘write a check’ for $1500?
    WHAT did they get for the $1500?

    Ad space?
    Access?

    Inquiring Liberhooligans want to know!

  79. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Hey I bet Seebeck and I both had a better lunch than at the Convention.

    And thanks for sharing the numbers, buddy, it’s been so hard to find out the facts.

    Just the facts, man, let’s see the facts.

    Could we see the actual Membership numbers as well as the Expireds?

    Or is it selective ‘openness and transparencizing’?

  80. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    BTW, Bruce is not funny. He’s just an out-of-touch curmudgeon who makes himself out to be a waste of food and oxygen save caring for his dog.

  81. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    “So the $1500 he paid to Kevin is a payoff so he has access to LPCA Givers?

    I’m so confused, I mean, I really am.”

    I’ll take “Blatantly Obvious” for $100, Alex.

    There was no payoff, and any accusations of such are libelous. As I stated before on the other thread, whatever LPNV did with this is their own business, not LPCA’s, so Bruce can quit with that lie as well.

  82. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    BTW, the idea that each convention since 2007 has been harder to get to is baloney. 2006 was the cruise convention, which was a fiasco. 2007 in San Ramon was easy to get to. So was 2008 in San Diego and 2010 in Long Beach. 2009 in Visalia was out of the way, but not hard to get to unless you can’t read a map or have no car. This one isn’t hard to get to either, unless people want to blame us for the weather.

    Again, more Bruce sour grapes.

  83. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Sorry, Bruce, but your “grownup” caucus was responsible for a huge spike in membership expirations, and only when Kevin took over in 2007 were we able to reverse that down to the current number, which in my region is exactly 5.

    Here’s the real numbers on expired memberships for the past 20 years:

    1991:3
    1992:0
    1993:2
    1994:1
    1995:14
    1996:19
    1997:35
    1998:72
    1999:103
    2000:249
    2001:771
    2002:791
    2003:614
    2004:505
    2005:774
    2006:822
    2007:249
    2008:113
    2009:83
    2010:5

    As you can see, and as the graph of this in my report showed, the improved numbers started in 2007.

    Sorry to destroy your rants with facts. It’s been 4 years cleaning up the mess your “grownup” caucus left behind.

  84. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Oh you mean David is going to do a fundraiser at the LPCA Convention ‘Event’?

    Does that mean David will be hitting the same group of Donors Kevin will be, or does it mean that he will be hitting the Nevada people that went to the Convention?

    So the $1500 he paid to Kevin is a payoff so he has access to LPCA Givers?

    I’m so confused, I mean, I really am.

    Libertarians are supposed to be about getting ahead. All that free market prosperity and innovation. Why all this strange sneaky passing money back and forth, anyway?

  85. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    David , please let me know how many people our postcard brought in to the conv and how many attende the super-special-vip thing-a-ma-jig. Id bet we lose money for sure

  86. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Hey, I never claimed to KNOW the Membership numbers. I was strictly teasing you’all, the ‘open and transparent’ administration, for having the dog eat your homework and hiding your report card.

    I mean, come on.

    Let’s see youse guyses report cardses, ok?

  87. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Correction: 700 is the goal for the Southern Region, up from the current 477. But it’s still way above 200.

  88. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    There are almost 700 dues-paying members in the Southern Region alone. That was in my report. claiming 200 is idiocy.

    What Bruce knows about the web server is a gnat above zero. If you want the real scoop, talk to Flavio since it’s his thing.

    What Bruce knows about Party operations at all is at the same level, and is merely sour grapes because he’s on the outside looking in, justifiably so.

    In that vein, treat his allegations with less than a grain of salt.

    David, to answer your question, ask Beau at registration.

  89. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    One of IPR’s on the ground sources tells us attendance is at 80.

    That’s really pretty dang good!

  90. David Colborne David Colborne April 9, 2011

    Quick question: Will you guys accept credit cards at the banquet? I’ve got a guest coming with me and I wasn’t sure she’d be coming along until today.

  91. John Galt John Galt April 9, 2011

    I’ve heard that California used have hundreds of people at their conventions.

    What happened? What’s the cause?
    and only 200 members?
    Is that true?

  92. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    any word on how many others , from Nevada , made it? id like to know what our $1,500 postcard accomplished

  93. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    52 is pretty darn good and more than I personally expected to be there.

    Folks I knew were saying 40ish was what Kevin thought would come, but again, that’s third hand, as Mikey C Beck has been saying.

    Considering that dues paying membership is what, around 200, that’s actually quite a feat.

    And the minutes being lost are a coverup.
    Of which any Member of the Board should have 100 different copies of some version of them or another as they have been passed around.

    Kevin magically turns people’s passwords off and access off and things just magically dissapear in his immature little Dungeons and Dragons world of politics.

    That’s even worse than I though.

    I’ve been pointing out that the ‘Open and Transparent’ (Kevin’s Campaign Platform) administration of the current chair was anything but.

    And I’ve been pointing out he’s what, a year behind in financial and minutes and membership accounting, or something like that.

    ‘The Dog Ate My Homework’ and ‘The Server Crashed and ate the Minutes’ just don’t cut it.

    How long did it take for them to come up with that lie. I imagine there is some kind of tiny grain of truth in there, but I guarantee you that in plenty of people’s email archives, everything is there.

    What the heck?!!???

    Gale Morgan is an honest man, if nothing else.
    He absolutely must have the Minutes in his email archives 100 ways to Saturday.

    Gail should walk to his hotel room this minute, get on his laptop and find those minutes as best as he can.

    Then he should email them to the Lake Tahoe Kinko’s and ask for 55 complete copies to be printed, collated and delivered tomorrow morning.

    Come on, people, get with the program or get off of the LPCA!!!

    OMG is it only me?

  94. John Galt John Galt April 9, 2011

    I’ll admit to knowing very little. That’s why I’m here, to learn and ask lots of questions.

    Is politeness and decorum important to Libertarians?

  95. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Well Mikey, I was there long before you were there. I’ve been involved at all different levels of the LP one way or another for far longer than you.

    And I produced a lot more deliverables than you have in your life in a year, so if you want to make that assertion, I can volley one right back atcha, m’boy.

    On the other hand, we could just talk about the merits of the proposal (or people) as I was when you so rudely interuppted me.

    The last time you told me to STFU, I wasn’t even paying attention. It was the Matthew Barnes whole thing. And you drew me into it.

    That was a real thorn in your side.
    Did Kevin ever thank you for drawing me into that whole mess?

    I think you might want to learn some gentlemanly manners as are suggested in Robert’s and not tell people to STFU.

    It’s just a matter of decorum.

  96. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    delegate count at 52 , that sucks bad , Nevada had more than that

  97. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    John Galt, don’t you have two parts of a movie to make?

    I can certainly tell Bruce to STFU, just as I can tell you to STFU. Being a Libertarian does not mean that one gives up their right to bitch at people for their slandering of others. If you think it does, then perhaps you have no real understanding of libertarianism.

  98. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    One weird thing I have never seen in an officer report before was using the position to endorse his replacement.

    It’s called a bully pulpit.

  99. John Galt John Galt April 9, 2011

    Bruce, you have been told to shut up.

    Does that sound Libertarian to you??

  100. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Breaking for lunch.

  101. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Susan Marie Weber giving financial standards report. Says that she is impressed with Beau Cain’s work and says that the processes fit the bylaws. Changes since last year are impressive she says

  102. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Dan Weiner offers his archive.

  103. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Gale Morgan delivered his report. Not a lot there. Starchild asking about lack of minutes on website. Minutes were lost in crash. Don’t know how too much traffic can destroy data. Claims that minutes were sent to web people.Dan Weiner also grilling on missing minutes.

  104. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Ted, the whole idea is to get our candidates into a working relationship with their local affiliates to run good campaigns, and to have it done *before* the filing of papers, gathering of sigs, etc. instead of the current method of *after* they do that, by which they are already behind the curve. IOW, it helps us to line up our candidates and support properly to move forward at the starting gun instead of recruiting candidates nobody knows of by phone and thrusting them upon affiliates if they are anything beyond paper candidates.

  105. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt April 9, 2011

    Perhaps Live on Location doesn’t have family obligations to a spouse and child or children.

  106. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    More questions about dues and raw numbers of members. Aaron tried to make a motion to ask for a better formatted report. Ruled out of order. Point of information for when that when would be appropriate was unanswered.

  107. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Live on Location, if I was going up there, I would have drove up myself. If you’re going to pander bullshit, then try to make it credible instead of sounding like an imbecile.

  108. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt April 9, 2011

    Deran 2@ 27; Actually, the group isn’t bickering here. There’s one person who has such tremendously low self-esteem due to his lack of personal accomplishments, that he’s resorted to grade-school-level name-calling and cartoon drawing. Most of us, who have a real life, try to ignore him as much as possible.

  109. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Problem with Bruce’s misinterpertation of the proposal is that it doesn’t limit candidates at all. Other candidates can still run as L, but if they don’t pass muster with the membership, they don’t get support from the Party. It’s about getting the Party behind its candidates and all on the same page, so that we have people actually making the ballot and getting support for their races to be more than paper candidates.

    As for the schedule, well, that’s nothing unusual. Why do you think we tried to make it time-certain?

    It ticks me off that delegates can’t tell time. When I’m there, I’m there early.

    Can’t speak to the registration issues as I don’t know what’s going on there.

  110. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Delegate count at 52.

  111. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Brian Darby delivered treasurers report. Getting grilled by Aaron Starr on gross membership dues and donations. The numbers are not prepared to be presented.

  112. Ted Brown Ted Brown April 9, 2011

    A major problem with the party selecting candidates by convention or caucus — the state won’t accept them unless they actually file and run in the primary election. And, under the old system and under Prop. 14, anyone who is legally eligible can file and call themselves a Libertarian. The Seebeck proposal is a version of what the Republicans just adopted at their state convention, i.e. to have an endorsed party candidate before the primary and provide party support to that person, versus some upstart who happens to file. Alas, with the LP, neither the endorsed candidate nor the upstart can depend on much support. Moral support, yes, but financial and volunteer support, doubtful.

  113. Live on Location Live on Location April 9, 2011

    Michael Seebeck is delivering his report by phone. Carpools were available from his town but I think he may not have a lot of positive relationships with the people in his county. Which explains why he didn’t have a lot to say there despite their amazing performance.

    Riverside and San Bernardino registrations are way up. Membership up nearly 60% in the later.

    One weird thing I have never seen in an officer report before was using the position to endorse his replacement.

  114. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    BTW, Kevin has not sold me out at all. I’m stepping down on my own personal terms. Only a fool looking to sow discord where it isn’t needed or wanted would play shit like that.

    BTW, Darr is deploying overseas soon, so the likelihood of him running for anything is low to nil.

  115. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Bruce, when you actually learn what it takes to do the job, get back to us. Until then, STFU about Kevin, and me, because you have NO idea what’s involved.

  116. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    And now you know…

  117. John Galt John Galt April 9, 2011

    Shlemiel? What does that mean?

  118. Deran Deran April 9, 2011

    I’m not a libertarian capitalist, but enjoy reading abt all third party goings-on. But I have to say, you all bicker as much as a room full of Troskyites from different sectlettes haranging each other abt the true nature of the Fourth International! lol.

    It’s still interesting to me though, and I thank IPR and such for the reporting.

  119. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Rumor has it that Aaron Starr would accept the job if drafted, but that he’s not interested in running.

    Rumor also has it there is another person, besides Paul Darr, considering standing up for Chair and running against Kevie.

    The best planned plans might not go as planned?

  120. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Kevin’s Apologists say: “As for Kevin being unprepared, when he’s busy with his real job and a kazillion convention details all at once, he’s quite busy…”

    That’s pretty funny.

    Didn’t Kevie know he had a real job when he signed up to be Chair of the LPCA?

    Didn’t every Chair before him have the same kazillion details?

    Aaron Starr works over 70 hours a week at his ‘real’ job, but he managed to be prepared at all time.

    And not ramble.

    Poor Kevin.
    All those pesky details, and that darn real job getting in the way of his political life.

    Fortunately he has no personal life, right?

    Hey Mike, thanks for all the softballs and I hope I can return the favor someday.

  121. John Galt John Galt April 9, 2011

    Sure sounds like King Naga is far too busy to be chair of the California LP.

    Is there an adult candidate out there?

  122. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Libertarian Standard Time?

    Question just posed to Aaron Starr by Convention Attendees: “didn’t these guys know they had a Convention today?”

    Seems they keep drifting further and further off Agenda and Schedule.

  123. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    The big problem with Michael’s proposal is that it will discourage participation and reduce the number of Candidates.

    Period.

    Otherwise, it’s a great idea.

    Except for that whole control freak, central planning problem thingie, that is.

  124. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Well, here I go…

  125. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Not this year.

  126. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    is there any Presidential candidate event planned?

  127. David Colborne David Colborne April 9, 2011

    Nevada’s membership is responsible for picking their candidates, and it works fine over here. It’s a rare event when someone wants to run but can’t (Jim Burns being a notable exception). Then again, we don’t have access to a public primary, so that has something to do with it.

  128. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    As for Kevin being unprepared, when he’s busy with his real job and a kazillion convention details all at once, he’s quite busy. Your definition of unprepared is his delivery style. He’s not reading a prepared speech, that’s not his style anyway.

  129. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Who’s livestreaming it?

  130. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl April 9, 2011

    Bruce , you are the king of silly name changing insults , its not nice and appears immature, now notice that everytime some asshole spells Cohen , Cohan I call them on it , and now Im calling you on it. The antics take away from the substance your posts may indeed have …BTW you are my favorite high Priest , so I hope you put in a good word for me:)

  131. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    CAN SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A TELEPROMPTER?

    As Chairman Kookenaga rambles on about nothing much in particular, one is reminded how woefully unprepared this man is.

    One of my favorite comparisons to the LPCA Chair is to our President.

    Barak Hussein Takenaga?

    Well, at least Barak has a teleprompter to keep him on script.

    Can someone get Kevin a script, please?

  132. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Thanks for the offer, please do. I think I just had the HTML as “ul” instead of “u” for underline. I make that mistake a lot.

    As for control, what’s wrong with the membership nominating their candidates and the state providing a vehicle to do so? If anything, that’s the state *helping* the membership do one of the things they should be doing anyway.

  133. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Control Freak Motion!
    LOL

    Michael, despite me disagreeing with you on this one, I’d be happy to recode your post #3 with the underlining if you wish.

  134. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Inserts should have been underlined.

  135. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck April 9, 2011

    Since Bruce is getting his info third-hand, and therefore getting it wrong, here’s the proposal he’s complaining about. It moves nominations to be made by the membership and ahead of the primaries to help the process work better.

    Yes, I wrote it. Note the strikeouts and inserts have been delineated because I’m not sure all of the HTML will take.

    Proposal: Move to Convention and Caucus Nomination of Partisan Candidates
    (Debate Item)
    Location: Bylaw 22, Sections 1 and 5 (2/3 to amend)
    Changes:
    1. Amend Section 1 to make all statewide nominations for partisan office to be done at convention, and for districted offices at district caucus, by delegates, with exceptions being for special elections where it logistically cannot be accomplished, at which point it would be delegated to the Party leadership (the Executive Committee for statewide, or the county officers within the district as determined by the regional Vice-Chair of the most populous part of the district, respectively).
    2. Amend Section 5 to remove the obsolete language regarding notifying the Secretary of State of nominees and to indicate that the Executive Committee is limited to supporting nominated partisan candidates.
    Reasons:
    • With the new election rules under Prop 14, including a questionable increase in the number of petition signatures required to get onto the primary ballot, combined with insufficient vetting of Party candidates by membership, it makes sense to put the nomination process back into the hands of the delegates, where it properly belongs anyway.
    o Bylaw 2-G indicates that one purpose of the Party is for “Nominating, endorsing and promoting registered Libertarians who pledge to proclaim and implement the Statement of Principles of the Libertarian Party of California as candidates for public office in California”. By placing the nomination process back into the hands of the membership after having it taken away by Prop 14, this proposal satisfies that purpose.
    o The new Prop 14 rules make the primary not an elimination round for each political party, but a jungle elimination for all candidates down to the top two. It makes more sense for the Party and its members to focus its efforts on vetted candidates for that primary, with the benefit of having candidates and members who can support them meet and collaborate in person to generate proper campaigns and support, and to get an essential initial boost on signatures and funding to get on the ballot.
    o The previous and current systems leave some candidates relatively isolated from the rest of the Party, and this proposal would bridge that gap, with the intended result being more awareness and support between active, quality candidates and their local members, and vice versa. It also places the candidate recruitment efforts back into the local affiliates for most races, encourages more local activity, and should encourage convention turnout.
    o Should Prop 14 be repealed or invalidated and the state returns to the previous primary method, Section 6 remains unamended to address that issue, and the nominations in advance of the primary may still be conducted, making the primary an effective secondary rubber stamp.
    • It should also be noted that this would lead to making conventions focus more on candidates, their campaigns, and the necessary machinations associated with them.
    • There is no restriction on district caucuses occurring at the convention, either, subject to the terms of unamended Section 4.
    • This proposal also removes the Party from being dependent upon state election machinations to determine its candidates and instead places the decisions in the hands of the private Party and its members, in an as-decentralized-as-is-possible method, which is the preferable libertarian method.
    • The drawback is that the convention scheduling becomes dependent upon the election calendar published by the Secretary of State, and may require a further Bylaws amendment to reflect that in the future. The details of that implication are TBD.
    NOTE: The provisions of this Bylaw do not apply to non-partisan nominations, candidates, or races.

    Bylaw 22: NOMINATION FOR PARTISAN PUBLIC OFFICE
    Section 1
    (Strikeout)Unless otherwise necessitated by the laws of the state of California, or by decision of the Executive Committee, nominations (end Strikeout) (Insert) Nominations (end Insert) for partisan office shall be made by statewide nominating convention (Strikeout)and (end Strikeout) (Insert) or (end Insert) by district caucus.
    A. Nomination for statewide office shall be made by a statewide nominating convention.
    B. Nomination for U.S. House of Representatives, California State Legislature, and California State Board of Equalization shall be made by district caucus.
    (Insert)
    C. In cases of a special election for a statewide office, if nomination by statewide nominating convention is not feasible due to constraints of the laws of the state of California or these Bylaws, then the Executive Committee shall determine those nominations.
    D. In cases of a special election for a district office, if nomination by district caucus is not feasible due to constraints of the laws of the state of California or these Bylaws, then the regional Vice Chair representing the largest registered voter bloc in the district office shall determine which county Party organizations shall be responsible for determining those nominations.
    (end Insert)

    Section 2
    The Executive Committee shall set the date of the statewide nominating convention. The convention shall be governed by Bylaw 19, Sections 2 and 4, and by Bylaw 28. Unless a statewide nominating convention is held at the regular state convention, no other business shall be conducted at the statewide nominating convention.
    Section 3
    The Executive Committee shall be responsible for determining which county Party organizations shall be responsible for organizing the caucus nominations for particular House of Representatives, State Legislature, and Board of Equalization seats.
    Section 4
    The Executive Committee shall set the dates of the district caucuses. County organizations shall be responsible for preparing their own rules governing nominations for House of Representatives, State Legislature, and Board of Equalization seats, but such rules shall provide for advance notice of at least thirty days to all County Central Committee members in the districts of the time and place of their nominating caucuses.
    Section 5
    (Strikeout)The Chair shall forward a list of all candidates nominated in convention and caucuses to the Secretary of State no later than thirty days after the convention or caucuses. (end Strikeout) (Insert) A partisan candidate must win nomination in order to be eligible to receive endorsement from the Executive Committee or campaign funding from the Campaigns Support Committee. (end Insert)
    Section 6
    In the event the Party is legally required to participate in primary elections, only Party members shall be eligible to vote in the primary.

  136. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    Bylaws change from the floor proposal about how Candidates are chosen.

    The control freaks in the LPCA want to pre-approve anyone who might deign to run and are even discussing changing the Convention timing so the body can vote on who they will ‘allow’ to run as a Libertarian.

    This of course, from the Chair who when he first run told people his vision for the LPCA was ‘to let Counties (and activists, candidates, etc…) do what they want to do’.

    It’s sort of like Fidel Castro bringing freedom, democracy and prosperity to Cuba.

    Chair Takenaga brings openness, transparency, honor, honesty and individuality to the LPCA just like Fidel kept all his promises.

    Actually, I’d rather compare Kevin to Barak, but in this case, his campaign promise to be ‘open and transparent’ deserves the Castro analogy.

  137. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen Post author | April 9, 2011

    As of 9:30 PM the Convention had not Convened.

    Credentials folks have a line of people 15+ supposedly, and it seems that credentialing was not available yesterday, so they are wayyyyy behind.

    Word is there were roughly 40 Delegates there, with 80 to see the movies.

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