MN Independence Party:”We Oppose the Proposed Minnesota Constitutional Amendment to Ban Same-Sex Marriage”

Mark Jenkins has posted this statement @ the website of the Minnesota Independence Party:

The Independence Party of Minnesota platform declares that “We support high standards of morality, family values and personal responsibility, but we oppose having the government impose state-sponsored morality or values on people of good conscience with differing views.” With this principle in mind, I ask members of the Independence Party, and all Minnesotans, to oppose and work to defeat an amendment to the Minnesota Constitution that outlaws same sex marriage.

Please read on to understand my personal reasons for defeating this proposed amendment.

Minnesota’s legislators recently passed a bill that puts the future of gay marriage on your ballot in November of 2012. The radical right is convinced that Minnesotans will approve the constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage. The liberal left is concerned that the right may be right.

As is often the case, it seems that Minnesota needs to look at divisive issues from a different angle. Believe it or not, it is possible to understand and support both sides of the issue.

In Defense of Marriage

While I oppose the proposed amendment, I do recognize that marriage is a religious sacrament that is governed by hundreds of years of tradition and religious law. Canon law, Halakha and Sharia all define marriage for their respective faiths. It would be appalling to allow our government to dictate to any religion how to administer their sacraments. Anti-gay marriage activists have used this vision of marriage to rally religious leaders to their cause. Unfortunately, the defenders of gay-marriage have also attached their message and their goals to this same word. I understand how conservatives can perceive those messages as attacks on their religious doctrines. We must recognize the religious communities’ rights to define the sacrament of marriage without political interference.

In Defense of Civil Rights

Where anti-gay marriage activists have used the sacrament of marriage to define the argument, the real issue for people who support gay marriage has not been the definition of a single word, but the collection of individual civil rights that accompany that religious sacrament. For this reason I would argue that gay marriage activists are more interested in civil rights than religious rights. When asked if the government should dictate who can visit them in the hospital, the majority of conservatives I spoke to declared absolutely not. When asked if an individual should have the right to choose their own beneficiary in the case of death, the majority said yes. Unfortunately, these decisions are predetermined when the state ties those rights to the sacrament of marriage. We must recognize that individual civil rights are much easier to defend than the definition of one divisive word.

In Defense of Reason

Instead of arguing over the definition of marriage, gay rights supporters should be advocating for equal individual access to the civil rights currently reserved for married couples. If we can focus our attention on the issues of civil rights instead of marriage, we may extend the rights all of our citizen’s deserve without threatening the sacrament of marriage. I’m pretty optimistic that this could work. I hear that individual rights have a big following in conservative circles. If conservatives stay true to their beliefs, gays may just find conservative allies in the pursuit of their individual rights.

“We oppose having the government impose state-sponsored morality or values on people of good conscience with differing views.” This is why I oppose legislation or a constitutional amendment that puts any government imposed definition on a religious sacrament. Individual civil rights are why I support providing every Minnesotan the same rights and opportunities provided to any other Minnesotan. Please join me and the Independence Party of Minnesota in protecting every Minnesotan’s individual rights.


37 thoughts on “MN Independence Party:”We Oppose the Proposed Minnesota Constitutional Amendment to Ban Same-Sex Marriage”

  1. Don Grundmann

    The ” civil rights ” that the homosexual movement really seeks to gain by this campaign is not marriage itself but what comes after its legalization – lawsuits to force all public schools to teach ALL grades, especially in kindergarten and pre-school, that all things homosexual are equal to, if not better than, all things heterosexual. As the perverts themselves now admit – “We want educators to teach future generations of children to accept queer sexuality. In fact, our very future depends on it…Recruiting children? You bet we are…Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach kids about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal?…I and a lot of other people want to indoctrinate, recruit, teach, and expose children to queer sexuality AND THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.” — homosexual activist Daniel Villarreal, day editor at”

    So what the MN Independence Party REALLY wants, despite their crocodile tears denials(s), is the state sponsored destruction of the morals of the children of Minnesota and the nation for generations to come. They only object to Christian values which they complain are promoted by the state. When the state promotes anti-Christian values they will be first in line to drive their anti-children values down the throats of the populace with zero complaints about ” government imposed morality.” The constitutional amendment to stop so-called ” same-sex marriage ” is a last line of defense for the children of that state. Otherwise they will be relentlessly and endlessly attacked in order to A) soften them up so that they have no opposition to anything homosexual/pervert; and B) destroy them via homosexual molestation. The homosexual movement first attacks the target with molestation of the mind so that they can move in for the kill with physical molestation. As their own organizations have so famously stated – ” Sex before 8 or its too late;” meaning that the earlier that they can attack children the less likely it is that they will ever recover. That is why my own ELEMENTARY school now has a ” GayLesbianBiSexualTransgenderQueer ” club. No child will be allowed to escape but the kindergarteners and pre-schoolers are their special targets. As Hitler said, to paraphrase – ” I don’t care what the parents think. I have their children. The parents will die and the children will obey what I have taught them;” in this case how to be sodomized. The MN Independence Party is hence ” out of the closet ” as sworn and the deadliest enemies of the families and children of Minnesota. As the Republican Party is now compromised and more than willing to also sell out the families and children of any state ( see here Romney, Huntsman, Gingrich, and all of the other RINOs ) only the Constitution Party of Minnesota is willing to stand in the gap and defend the moral values of that state from their imminent destruction in both supporting the initiative and protecting the citizens if it were to fail. The passage of this initiative is absolutely vital for the future of not only Minnesota but the nation as a whole.

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  2. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Knapp – You will notice that the recruitment comment comes from the homosexuals themselves and not from myself. I can only presume that you have absolutely no objection to their objectives and will not only not oppose them but will aid them in achieving their stated goals. It is part of the ongoing tragedy of our national collapse that so many citizens are willing to betray the children of our nation.

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  3. Thomas L. Knapp

    Mr. Grundmann,

    The idea that there’s any particular organized group can claim, or be claimed, to represent “the homosexuals” is delusional.

    Sorry to hear that your nation is collapsing.

  4. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Knapp – The very quote above comes from a homosexual magazine and its writer who refers multiple times to ” we.” So yours is not so much a situation of being delusional, by smearingly pawning that idea off on others who provide direct evidence of the existence of such a group, as it is an open case of denial, and being a shield for the attackers, despite the evidence right in front of you. Of course you will no doubt continue to exist in your fantasy world. Here in the real world we will continue to fight to protect the children of our nation and the future generations to come from those who work to mentally and then physically molest them in order to reproduce their own psychosis in those whom they attack. While you defend, and minimally protect if not promote, the attackers we will be busy stopping them.

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  5. Don Grundmann

    Stephen – You attack me for simply quoting from a homosexual publication. I can only presume that you are in total agreement with the objectives of these attackers of children. As I stated above there are many many citizens and even whole organizations; ADL, SPLC, and many others; who are dedicated to destroying the moral values of our nation and betraying the children of our nation. Since Social Engineering, instead of intellectual development, is already the purpose of our public school system it will be easy enough for the homosexual movement to, with the legalization of pervert marriage, expand their attack upon children since they have already established their ” beachhead ” within the institution. Of course you, Stephen, will be working with Mr. Knapp and all of the other defenders and supporters of sodomizing the children of the nation to achieve their objectives.

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  6. Jill Pyeatt

    Don, please keep your hate to yourself. We all know what you believe, so you don’t need to keep telling us. I’m still praying for your soul, BTW.

  7. Don Grundmann

    Jill – I can always expect you to defend the attackers of children. Even when I am quoting their own words, as I am in this case, you rush to their defense by using the standard pervert line that ANY opposition to their plans and attacks, even in quoting their own words, is ” hate.” I really don’t need your prayers to the Devil as I am aligned with his opponent.

    As an extra thought, especially relevant to your repeated commentaries over time, I realized lately after a discussion with a female supporter of the perverts, in this case a supporter of their indoctrinating children in the classroom that there are more than 2 genders ( Transgender lessons now in CA elementary school — starting in kindergarten! Young children are being taught that they can choose to be a boy or a girl — or both. Boys, for example, should be comfortable wearing girls’ clothes and nail polish, etc. And there aren’t just two genders, there can be a range. And, of course, the school does not allow parents to opt their kids out. ) that the feminist movement has such a deep internal disgust with and contempt of men that this is why they have no objection to and even end up supporting homosexuality and especially the teaching of it to children as they are quietly satisfied to see males and boys degraded and shamed. As the concept of real men is a threat to feminists they are happy to see boys morally destroyed. So I can understand far more clearly your repeated defense of teaching homosexuality; i.e.; sodomy; to children. It is a natural outgrowth of feminist theology; a religion that certainly far supercedes any paper thin and boutique Christianity which you profess to believe. A satisfaction with viewing the degradation and humiliation of men is a part of the real driving force at the core of any female who supports homosexuality. Of course the males who support homosexuality don’t ( don’t want to ) see what chumps their female companions see them as nor what way down deep contempt these females also feel for them. For their companions can never, despite their fantasy, escape the contempt which these females have for all men/males, including them.

    So my question for you, Jill, is what about your ” hate ” of men? You know what I am referring to. The way way down deep contempt that is there even if you are able to hide it so well. It will eventually come to the surface and expose itself as it does through your commentaries. It has to. You can’t hide it forever. Unfortunately you, as a cultural phenomenon, have many, far too many, ” sisters ” who totally agree with you. They, as with you, have a burning resentment of men way down at the blackened and charred core of their soul. That is why they are just fine with, and quite happy with, the mass degradation and humiliation of males which homosexuality produces and desires to accelerate via attacking the children, especially the boys, of our nation.

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  8. Michael Cavlan RN

    Out here in Minnesot-ah people with the most basic common decency applaud this.

    The reality of this thing is this. The Republicans had used this as a ploy to get their “base” out to vote in the next election. That is all this is. A cynical ploy by Republicans. Apparently the exact opposite seems to be happening.

    Opponents of bigotry and intolerance are “coming out” and organizing.

    Don Grundmann. Do not fret, ya ignorant bigoted fruitloop. Congresswoman and presidential candidate Michelle Bachman supports this. Along with a multi million dollar bridge in her district that is viewed as unneeded and a HUGE waste of taxpayer money.

    These idiots are the exact opposite of the ideals of the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty.

  9. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Jill Pyeatt // Jun 7, 2011:
    “What a sad little world of your own making you live in, Don.”

    [Lake: Grundmann, Grundmann, Grundmann …….. Jill, this is a nation of three or four names. Could you please get off of your lazy key board and use more than just the ubber familiar nick name or fore shortened First Name ……….. Doctor Don is a credentialed professional and deserves to be separate from others, like my self, also named in honor of the Disney Duck! What is next calling ‘paulie’ merely ‘p, p, p, p’? It’s Grundmann, Grundmann, Grundmann!]

  10. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    homas L. Knapp // Jun 7, 2011:
    “……… now nations have children? Do they do it through some kind of group sex thing or what? Where I come from it’s a two-person thing ……”

    [Lake: Drive down Natural Bridge Road, turn into UMSL, cruise to a parking space near the bus stop / tolley stop. Look diligently for the small sign near the under ground entrance to the ‘UM Genetics Laboratory’ ……….]

  11. Jill Pyeatt

    Mr. Lake: I could never dignify a hater such as Don Grundmann by calling him “Doctor”, credentialed or not. The uses of his first name only was deliberate.

  12. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    ‘Don G ???????????? I mean I did endorse / support him in the primaries in 2004, but why lump me with Grundmann, Quirk, Nightingale, Baldwin, if not completely necessary. Do you have any idea of the lies and manufactured ‘news’ these kkkreeps spread like steer manure behind our backs? 2011 is not 2004. Plz designate Don G. or Don L. Please.]

  13. paulie

    Lake was warned. He is now on the ignore list with Milnes – that is, I will not read their comments even if they use my name.

    Everyone else – I will still read your comments *only* if you address me by name.

    If you would like to join Milnes and Lake on the ignore list please make some comments using my name which have nothing to do with me.

  14. Michael Cavlan RN

    Jill Pyeatt

    Michael Cavlan Registered Nurse here. (As in real live practicing in hospital Registered Nurse)

    Dr Grundmann. There is a patient who has shown up that is exhibiting frank manifestations of deep psychosis. Oh wait Doctor. It is you.

    Quick, order up a psyche evaluation STAT. I will take a verbal order from the Doctor on that.

    Grin. What fun.

  15. Jill Pyeatt

    Mr. Lake: I understand your point now. From here on, Don Grundmann will be known as Donnie-Boy.

  16. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    [a] Germanic German but pronounced ‘vir’

    [b] Austrian German and Swiss German * as ‘Vir’

    * along width three other ‘Swiss’ languages ………


    Back in the in between days when the Sandwich Island were not yet culturally conquered by out side forces, a noted Linguist was visiting.

    The local chief ask the Professor about the correct pronunciation of the area.

    ‘Haw Vey Ee’ was the instant reply.

    ‘Thank, thank you so much, ‘ said the people.

    ‘You are Velcome ………….’

  17. Don Grundmann

    Jill P. – I have found that when anti-Christians, another term for liberals, are cornered in an argument and cannot logically explain and/or defend their position they automatically either A) change/ignore the subject; B) begin calling their opponent names; or C) just walk away. So your standard answer above ( a copy of all of your previous responses ) is par for the course for you. Unable to admit that you support the attacks on children which I present and not for a second being willing to oppose those attacks you instantly revert to form and fulfill A,B, and C above. A perfect demonstration of your character.

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  18. Jill Pyeatt

    Donnie-Boy at 26: Wrong again. I won’t continue this discussion because we’ve been over this a couple times. I’m too busy making a living, raising my UCLA-bound son and spreading the message of liberty to spend time with you.

  19. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Cavlan – I find that I must give credit to Mr. Villarreal, the homosexual activist whom I quoted above, for having the simple integrity, here using a demeaned term, of honestly admitting what the goals of his movement, and no doubt his own personal goals, are. He is not, like you, a coward who hides behind terms of ” bigotry ” and ” intolerance,” 2 conditions which you yourself have in orders of magnitude greater than those whom you falsely accuse, but instead honestly admits his objectives. Hence I ask you – why don’t you ” come out of the closet ” and admit that everything the homosexual movement wants, as expressed by Mr. Villarreal, is exactly what you want? Why not stop hiding in your miserable existence and, having Jill P. and Tom Knapp join you, admit – Yes, I want children to be trained to accept, endorse, and participate in homosexuality. Yes, I want little boys to be taught to engage in sodomy. Yes, if a child was being raped in front of me I would not interfere with their ” right(s) ” to be raped as such would be, in my belief system, a form of religious bigotry. Hence just be honest – for ONCE – instead of being a coward, like your other supporters on this thread, and hiding behind terms which you smear others with but which perfectly describe your own condition of bigoted intolerance of Christian moral values. You and your fellow rodents always accuse any opponent of homosexuality, even as in this thread when I am quoting the homosexuals in their own words, of ” hatred.” Why don’t you; as with Jill P. and Tom Knapp, cowards one and all; admit to your own hatred of Christian values and, when you boil it all down, God Himself? At least I can give credit to Mr. Villarreal for being, as the common term is used, ” real.” Sick, yes. But he must be given credit for being ” real ” and honest. This in total contrast to total fakes like you and your friends here who are too cowardly and pathetic to ” come out of the closet.”

    Don J. Grundmann,, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  20. Robert Milnes

    paulie @19, LOL!
    I don’t think I mention your name in matters that do not involve or concern you.
    Go ahead & ignore me. That includes don’t LOL me or screw with me etc, right?
    & I’ll ask everyone to ignore YOU! That is what -I- call an ignore list.

  21. Michael Cavlan RN


    10 mg Haldol IM (intramuscular) STAT
    Administer Q 15 minutes until patient is at least settled down a bit. The long term prognosis as grim though.

    This is how you deal w out of control psychosis in the hospitals folks.

    Grin. This has been fun.

    Just for you. From a “lefty” supporter of the Campaign For Liberty.

  22. Jill Pyeatt

    MC @ 30: Yes, it is rather fun, especially because I’m not taking his challenge to argue with him. As I said earlier, Donnie-Boy lives in a sad little world of his own making.

  23. Catholic Trotskyist

    Dr. Grundman is doing great work to protect the children of America, and he is completely correct on this issue. I have some policy and strategy differences with him on other matters, but he should not be attacked for protecting the children from the severe problems caused by feminist endoctrination.
    I would say that feminists are after not only manhood, but womanhood also. Read the radical feminist Mary Daley, who attacked the transsexual movement from a feminist perspective.
    Michael Kavlan is indeed a coward, and is aligned with the dark agenda which seeks to mislead the country.

    Robert Milnes, what do you think about all this?

  24. Catholic Trotskyist

    Thanks Robert. I’ve been busy with real life political, academic and religious activities. I still lurk on here sometimes, but I ahve scaled back my activities on IPR. And will continue to do so for the next month as I’m traveling to the east coast.
    Glad you are running for President again. Hope you get some support soon.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *