June 2012 Open Thread

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236 thoughts on “June 2012 Open Thread

  1. paulie Post author

    The weakly substandard covers the LP convention….

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/un-conventional_646419.html

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    According to party rules, if “none of the above” won more votes than the two candidates on the first ballot, those names would be dropped and nominations would be taken from the party floor. It took two days and countless votes to resolve the party leadership question. Organizers had to go to the casino and ask to extend their stay in the ballroom long enough to resolve the matter. Near as anyone can tell, the “none of the above” vote was a coup staged by the radical grassroots—it was an organized campaign, replete with preprinted signs reading “Re-Elect No One.” From that point on, there was much infighting and contesting of every bit of procedure, as relayed by the increasing and comic frustration of Bill Redpath, the Libertarian party’s able and respected treasurer and the hapless fellow stuck with trying to apply the party’s rulebook. At various points his only recourse for maintaining order was hectoring delegates from the dais: “Quit being a pain in the ass…’

  2. Jill Pyeatt

    P @ 3: what a bunch of nonsense. The NOTA vote was a spontaneous reaction and was not a planned event by the radicals. That’s a myth from the Crybaby Sore Losers.

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    I just checked into IPR to report that I’m currently attending the Los Angeles County LP Convention. I’ll write something up about it tonight to post here.

  4. Jill Pyeatt

    Curiously, Mark Rutherford, the man who lost to NOTA, has just addressed the convention.

  5. Jill Pyeatt

    Currently, Judd Weiss is speaking. Previously, Brett Punjonis, Scott Lieberman , and Kevin Takenaga have spoken to us.

  6. Jill Pyeatt

    GP @ 7: The signs were planned by an individual from Texas but I ‘m unaware of any alliance between him and Nick Sarwark from Colorado, who made the speech on behalf of NOTA. I believe that Nick’s speech was the reason many of us voted for NOTA. I went into the meeting planning to vote for Mark Hinkle, but Nick’s speech changed my mind.

  7. Jill Pyeatt

    Lol–a competitor of Steve Collett’s put out a negative campaigning piece that calls Steve a “marijuana legalizer” ( as if it’s a bad thing).

  8. Nick Kruse

    Paulie @3, you should post the The Weekly Standard article on IPR as a news story.

  9. Jill Pyeatt

    Nk @ 14: I think it warrants its own article, also. If PAulie doesn’t have time, I’ll do it tonight.

  10. Paulie

    I’m going to try to get some sleep hopefully soon so I can get an earlier start tomorrow. I’ve been screwing around on IPR too much and need to focus on work more. Making my own schedule plus an addictive personality makes for a bad combination. If Jill posts it that would be great. Too bad I can’t make a living posting articles here, I’d probably work at least a hundred hours a week.

  11. Jill Pyeatt

    It’s been done, Paulie. Get some sleep! I’ll send you an email re: the convention in Los Angeles today.

  12. just saying

    Roseanne has apparently scored wins for the Oregon and Georgia Green delegations.

  13. Nick Kruse

    I just sent a news story about Gary Johnson and the Fair Tax to IPR’s e-mail.

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  15. George Phillies

    Mewanwhile, back at the ranch, some number of economic libertarians of particular flavors — probably not, mine, but I am uninterested in watching a 30 minute video to find out — are whining that our Presidential candidate doesn’t support some number of particular ideas about economics or the like.

    You can read and watch much more than you may find worthwhile here http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=206769 or here
    http://www.facebook.com/groups/2497146127/
    or several other places.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp

    GP@24,

    It’s not actually a video — it’s audio plugged into video format.

    Johnson takes only a few minutes to stomp really hard on his own crank in terms of history, not necessarily economic theory.

    He talks about how Milton Friedman was the big guy making the case against income tax withholding. Wenzel has to point out — more gently than I would — that Friedman was the guy who DESIGNED the income tax withholding system.

    Haven’t listened to the whole thing yet, but it seems to go downhill from there.

  17. Andy

    “Johnson takes only a few minutes to stomp really hard on his own crank in terms of history, not necessarily economic theory.

    He talks about how Milton Friedman was the big guy making the case against income tax withholding.”

    Uuugggggggg!

  18. paulie Post author

    He talks about how Milton Friedman was the big guy making the case against income tax withholding. Wenzel has to point out — more gently than I would — that Friedman was the guy who DESIGNED the income tax withholding system.

    I’ve read that he regretted it later, but can’t remember where. Anyone know more about that?

  19. Austin Battenberg

    I like Gary Johnson and will vote for him in the general (assuming something magical doesn’t happen and Ron Paul is not on the ballot).

    Here is the link to the youtube of that interview you guys are talking about. Suffice it to say, people on the Daily Paul are critizing him for not ever reading Mises, Hazlit, or Rothbard.

  20. Common Tater

    The Austrian Economics/Rockwell approach is not the only kind of libertarianism out there, and the host was pompous, condescending and IMO inappropriate.

    While I applaud the Mises folks for educational activities, their bitter venom towards those with different approaches to liberty is detrimental.

    The CATO/Reason people, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, the LP and Rockwell and friends all reach different people in different ways and while there are some differences between them they are relatively minor from the perspective of the general public debate at large.

    They should treat each other as allies, not enemies.

    Attitudes like those displayed by the host in this interview are what drive many people away from the movement and why we are not further along in advancing our agenda against those who disagree with us far more than we disagree with each other.

    I do hope that Gary Johnson finds time to read at least the introductory texts from the authors Wenzel mentions, although it’s not the best use of his time in the middle of a campaign. If he runs in 2016 he will be a better candidate if he is more familiar with those arguments, even if he continues to disagree with some of them.

    The end result of Johnson’s campaign will in fact be more people reading those texts; don’t knock him for having a different approach.

  21. Common Tater

    Last one for now: it’s especially amusing to see George Phillies, himself far from a fan of Austrian Economists and the Rockwell-Paul side of the movement, trumpet this interview.

    I guess for some people, the enemy of their internal enemies is their ally.

  22. Austin Battenberg

    This feud between the Friedman/Mises factions have been going on for a long time. This is part of an interview where Tom Woods and Lew Rockwell discuss the fued in detail.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mer09FiICow

    Personally, anybody who advocates freedom and liberty can be an ally, and I don’t think the venom is only limited to the Rockwell side. The Friedman, CATO, Reason side never even talks about alternatives, and I think that is what fires up the Rothbardians.

  23. paulie Post author

    I don’t think the venom is only limited to the Rockwell side.

    True enough. They should both knock it off.

    We have real enemies and it is not each other.

  24. Michael H. Wilson

    It would help if the party had better promotional material that explained many of these issues better. Whether it is banking or fire departments a short brochure might get people started off on the right track and looking at the alternatives. This is where the LP has fallen down in the last few years.

  25. paulie Post author

    I think they are looking for help. Send whatever suggestions for text, images, layout etc you have to Jim Lark, Carla Howell, etc.

  26. just saying

    There is no reason for the national LP to be producing literature on fire departments. That is strictly a local issue.

  27. Chuck Moulton

    Common Tater wrote (@30):

    The Austrian Economics/Rockwell approach is not the only kind of libertarianism out there, and the host was pompous, condescending and IMO inappropriate.

    Very true. I don’t care much that Gary Johnson hasn’t read Rothbard or that he takes a utilitarian / consequentialist approach to libertarianism rather than a natural rights approach. Nor do I agree with Wenzel that Friedman was not a libertarian.

    That said, I was concerned that Johnson was not familiar with Friedman’s history proposing withholding, that he didn’t have a rudimentary understanding of Austrian business cycle theory, and that he didn’t understand the concerns with government fiat money (whether it be from the Fed or Treasury). All of those concepts should have been in the knowledge sphere of a candidate criticizing the income tax and courting Ron Paul anti-Fed activists.

  28. Michael H. Wilson

    re 37: Once upon a time the LP had a book on local issues titled “Libertarian Solutions for Local Problems”.

    That approach helps local candidates which is where most lp candidates are running understand what the alternatives are without having to do all the research themselves.

  29. paulie Post author

    Chuck,

    That said, I was concerned that Johnson was not familiar with Friedman’s history proposing withholding, that he didn’t have a rudimentary understanding of Austrian business cycle theory, and that he didn’t understand the concerns with government fiat money (whether it be from the Fed or Treasury). All of those concepts should have been in the knowledge sphere of a candidate criticizing the income tax and courting Ron Paul anti-Fed activists.

    That’s a good point you raise.

    Even though I would generally not suggest that a candidate in the middle of a campaign spend a lot of time reading theoretical books, this is pretty short, easy to read, readily available and would further his ability to talk to Ron Paul supporters intelligently in language they relate to, even if he has to explain some differences:

    http://mises.org/money.asp

    If anyone who talks to him is reading – please share.

  30. paulie Post author

    That approach helps local candidates which is where most lp candidates are running understand what the alternatives are without having to do all the research themselves.

    A well publicized and frequently promoted open source solution to creating such materials would be best, imo

  31. Eric Blitz

    A robust libertarianism wiki perhaps, though the debates on content would be difficult to resolve at times without someone being in control enough to say “stop defining people out of the debate, just explain your position and let them explain theirs”

  32. George Phillies

    @32 I think you may want to consider my choice of the word “whining”. What I found amusing was not the opinions of the candidate, but instead the advocates of different economic ideas frothing at the mouth.

    It may be of historical interest to ask who invented the withholding tax or the modern lottery (Casanova, I gather), but it is of more interest to ask whether the candidate is in favor of or against the tax. It might also be of some interest to some people to ask whether the candidate thinks that paper fiat money is better or worse than metal fiat money, but for most people who might consider supporting us this issue is a complete snorer.

  33. Mike Kane

    I have quite a few thoughts about this interview, but here’s the short

    1. Gary Johnson should have ended the interview minutes in.
    2. The interviewer didn’t accomplish much, other than making Johnson look awful. If this interview was done months before the convention I think it would have been a great listen. After the convention though, it made me cringe. The interviewer didn’t do much to promote libertarianism though, in fact I think his attitude and questioning was counterproductive.
    3. Read the comments – many people there discuss how having a truly “Radical” candidate/message is what they respect about the LP, NOT a watered down version.
    4. Gary Johnson is still our presidential nominee, and while he’s not perfect, he’s still better than anyone else.

  34. Andy

    Paulie: “That’s a good point you raise.

    Even though I would generally not suggest that a candidate in the middle of a campaign spend a lot of time reading theoretical books, this is pretty short, easy to read, readily available and would further his ability to talk to Ron Paul supporters intelligently in language they relate to, even if he has to explain some difference.”

    The candidate should have already done their homework before they received the nomination. If they haven’t, then perhaps they shouldn’t have gotten the nomination.

    I’m not saying that a candidate has to know everything, but come on, this is pretty basic stuff that I knew years ago.

  35. Steven Berson

    Regarding the Robert Wenzel interview of GJ:
    Wenzel is obviously just trying to just run an adversarial litmus purity test. These types of things being done by Wenzel here push the vast majority of people away from libertarianism – not towards it.

    To me it seems Wenzel doesn’t understand that libertarianism is in fact way more about understanding and agreeing to a few very easy to grasp principles – self-ownership, the supremacy of individual rights, personal responsibility, the non-initiation of force – than how many books on Austrian economics you read.

    For myself Wenzel puts on a truly asinine air of steak swinging on the fact that he’s the biggest geek in the house – when to me it seems he just only reads within a bubble – seems to me a dose of Chris Martenson, Kenneth Deffeyes, Colin Campbell, Matt Simmons, Albert Bartlett, Dmitry Orlov, and Richard Heinberg might be in order to expand his perspective. Wenzel, in blaming business cycles solely on currency and monetary policy manipulations by central authorities, points out clearly where the Austrians (along with the Keynesians) are missing the boat to me, in believing that man made abstractions (such as monetary policy) are in fact the initial factor responsible for ups and downs in economic activity – when it is in fact variations in present geo-physical realities, along with human’s rational and emotional reactions and proclivities to these geo-physical realities – that are in fact the initial causing factors – with attempts at manipulations of the abstractions we place above these geo-physical realities are often the initial response. But Wenzel (and way too many libertarians as well as spend-atarians) seem completely blind to this fact.

    Anyway – GJ might not be “book smart” but I’d say he has infinitely more business instincts and street smarts than Wenzel does – with actual pragmatic experience creating and running a multi-million dollar business with a 1000 employees from scratch, as well as governing a State from 8 years and taking it from a budget deficit to a surplus. Obviously you don’t need to have read the “right” articles from Mises in order to do this!

    Looking on the bright side of this – I’d say interviews with putzes like Wenzel are actually good for GJ to go through now as it will toughen him up for higher profile ones in the near future – i.e. someone like Bill O’Reilly or Thom Hartman would be equally scathing and adversarial – but GJ would likely not be as surprised to encounter that as I think he likely was in this case. I’d say actually GJ acquitted himself really well by remaining calm, non-plussed, continuing to give food answers in topics he was more comfortable in when he was not being lectured at by Wenzel.

  36. Robert Capozzi

    Had to stop listening. Poor staff work here. GJ should not have consented to this interview. IF he did it, he should have been briefed with ways to dismiss these sorts of narrow, theoretical questions and gotten on the message he wanted to deliver.

  37. Steven Berson

    typo above – “food answers” should read “good answers” 😛

    I REALLY WISH there was a way to EDIT POSTS to correct for typos and grammar after posting on this forum!! I post on tons of forums and this is the only one where editing is completely unsupported.

  38. Steven Berson

    @48 – yeah – I think that the GJ campaign has been seeking every opportunity to get the message out – including lower profile podcasts such as Wenzel’s – and that they didn’t realize Wenzel would be completely adversarial based on the fact that it was a “libertarian” site. Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for them to do better screening and better prep-work for interviews that are consented to.

  39. ralph

    Look like we’re again getting folks upset. The convention is being smeared in the UK and Canada?

    Hey-ho.

  40. Paulie

    The candidate should have already done their homework before they received the nomination. If they haven’t, then perhaps they shouldn’t have gotten the nomination.

    I’m not saying that a candidate has to know everything, but come on, this is pretty basic stuff that I knew years ago.

    It’s not his homework and different people have different knowledge bases.

  41. Paulie

    @53 We were discussing flyers and trifolds, not book clubs, specifically materials promoting the Libertarian Party as such that can be printed fairly cheaply and handed out to the public in large quantities at booths, fairs, while walking around and petitioning, and so on.

  42. Paulie

    I REALLY WISH there was a way to EDIT POSTS to correct for typos and grammar after posting on this forum!!

    Sorry, I know of no way to do it unless you sign up to post articles as well, then you can fix comments and a few other things.

  43. Steven Berson

    Paulie – understood – and I actually greatly appreciate the ability to comment freely here. There are indeed a number of php based forum softwares out there that do offer comprehensive editing (with ability for mods to control time period a post is still editable) out there though – so maybe migrating the site to one of these might be something IPR could consider doing in the future at a point when other more matters aren’t way more pressing.

  44. Andy

    Chuck Moulton said: “That said, I was concerned that Johnson was not familiar with Friedman’s history proposing withholding, that he didn’t have a rudimentary understanding of Austrian business cycle theory, and that he didn’t understand the concerns with government fiat money (whether it be from the Fed or Treasury). All of those concepts should have been in the knowledge sphere of a candidate criticizing the income tax and courting Ron Paul anti-Fed activists.”

    There were clues pointing to this before Gary Johnson got the nomination, such as that Gary Johnson never bothered to address the open letter that you sent his campaign over your concerns about Johnson’s support of the Fair Tax, yet you voted for him anyway, Chuck.

  45. Andy

    Paulie said: “It’s not his homework and different people have different knowledge bases.”

    Gary Johnson is representing the Libertarian Party as the Libertarian Party’s candidate for President, so yes, this IS a part of his homework.

    Again, I’m not saying that a candidate has to know everything. They should however be familiar with the basics of the Libertarian Party and movement, and be familiar with its history.

  46. paulie Post author

    Andy it’s after 3. Please don’t spend your time at the library responding to my comments here. Just print out what you need to print out and get that account set up TODAY.

    It would mean a lot to me.

    I’ll reply to you later, but since you can’t answer your phone I needed to put this here.

  47. paulie Post author

    Also, since this is a big topic of conversation, I’m going to put this up as a separate thread.

    Please everyone hold off on using the open thread for further discussion of this and continue in the new one that’s coming up.

  48. paulie Post author

    There are indeed a number of php based forum softwares out there that do offer comprehensive editing (with ability for mods to control time period a post is still editable) out there though

    Maybe, but actually it could be fixed in wordpress, which I actually prefer and which we are using here – I just don’t have server access to be able to do that kind of stuff, just dashboard access.

    I would like to be able to preserve the archived threads and leave them open for future comments, regardless of what else we may or may not do.

  49. Pingback: Gary Johnson on Robert Wenzel Show | Independent Political Report

  50. Nick Kruse

    Paulie @27, I didn’t get an error message saying it didn’t go through, but I shall try again.

  51. Nick Kruse

    I just sent it again. What it is is an e-mail I was sent from the FairTax organization showing their support for Gary Johnson.

  52. paulie Post author

    Nick

    Still not receiving

    Did you copy and paste the address? contact.ipr@gmail.com

    Otherwise may be a typo – or – I don’t know what the problem is.

    Steve

    Unfortunately a lot of things don’t get posted unless I’m around to do it and I’m way over my head with stuff to do. I’ll try to get to it but no guarantees, hopefully someone beats me to it

  53. Nick Kruse

    The Illinois Libertarian Party’s website is extremely out of date from even before the national convention. http://www.il.lp.org/ There needs to be some Gary Johnson information added to that website. If anyone knows of anyone from the Illinois Libertarian Party, please get them to update their website. It still list the following presidential candidates for the party’s nomination:

    Gary Johnson (NM)

    RJ Harris (OK)

    Carl Person (NY)

    Lee Wrights (TX)

    Bill Still (VA)

    Dave Redick (WI)

  54. just saying

    I seem to remember IPR taking liar Obama’s denials of his (Communist-controlled) New Party membership at face value in 2008. There was almost nothing about it here, but plenty of stuff about Palin’s ties to third parties.

    Anyway, there’s been another wave of news & commentary this week about Obama’s connections to this pinko outfit:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/07/Obama-Caught-Lying-Again-He-WAS-Member-of-New-Party-Says-Kurtz

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz

  55. Paulie

    Going offline for probably a day or two. 415-690-6352 if anyone needs to talk to me sooner than that.

  56. NewFederalist

    @75… I saw that on another site. It appears the Baldwins moved to Montana to become Republicans! I think they could have done that in Florida and been warmer in the process.

  57. Timothy Yung

    Well I was the one who posted it on the other site. Anyways I believe that Tim Baldwin had no choice since Montana appears to have lost their ballot access. Chuck Baldwin has come out clearly in support of Virgil Goode. And Chuck Baldwin has written several articles about why he moved.

  58. Austin Battenberg

    Is anyone else going to Sacramento, CA to the meet and greet with VP Candidate Judge Jim Gray today at 6pm?

  59. Austin Battenberg

    So I just finished recording my “Top 8 reasons to support Gary Johnson” for a video I’m making. I still have to edit the audio and put in the images that I will be using that people will see when listening to the video. Before I post it publicly on youtube, is there anyone here who would like to check it out and give some constructive criticism so I can make it the best video possible? So many people here point out the flaws with Johnson’s videos, and I want to make sure what few grassroots style videos I post are of high quality, and represent him well.

    Please let me know, and when I get a chance I will upload it to my youtube page so only private people can view it, and you can let me know what I can do better.

    Thank you.

  60. Austin Battenberg

    This is the open thread board, so I thought we can talk about whatever we want here.

    And I didn’t want to clog up discussions on particular Gary Johnson posts with my request for assistance. Where should I post it? On the post where Johnson endorsed more candidates? How about the post on his Jon Stewart interview?

    I figured that since a lot of the users of IPR are libertarians, I could ask some here for their opinion. I know I won’t get that kind of support over at the Daily Paul.

  61. Deran

    Independent Voters of America.

    Some sort of new something start by Bill Hillsman of North Woods Asscoiates the marketing firm that has done work for various indie and third party candidates.

    http://independentvotersofamerica.org/

    It says it was formed by Hillsman and self funded (Hillsman?) and is not a new poltical party. It seems to have gone live in March of this year?

    Other than Hillsman, I can’t find out who is running it. It seems sort of in reaction to Americans Elect flase promise and increasing fails by March of this year?

    IVA has some Facebook presence, several thousand fans. On FB and the wensite they are critical of both Dems and Reps, and they do make positive talk abt ongoing third party presidential campaigns.

    Does anyone know anythig more? Any ties to the IP of NY folks or those former Fulanities who were trying to claim the mantle of “Independent Voters”?

    Or is it all a cleaver marketing plan by Hillsman to drum up work in 2012!

  62. Joe Buchman

    @83

    “check it out and give some constructive criticism ”

    Sure I’ll be glad to give some feedback.

    Joe

    drbuchman @ gmail . com

  63. paulie

    Austin:

    Thanks for making the effort and I hope to see more people do the same.

    Please do not be afraid of criticism. It will be inevitable whenever you put something out. Learn from the better points made and ignore the rest, realizing that unlike them you have actually made something they can criticize, which is worth more than their words all combined.

    I understand why you are not eager to subject your work to being cut apart, but I recommend that you learn to embrace that criticism. Take it for what it is worth, not more and not less.

    Challenge the critics to do better than you.

    My advice is worth whatever it’s wort too, since I have not made a video myself.

    Everyone: I will not have much time online the next few days but I welcome phone calls.

  64. paulie

    Lake’s repeated criticims notwithstanding, both Libertarian and non-Libertarian comments are welcome in the open threads.

    Mr. Lake is likewise welcome to go to a better site, or start one.

  65. paulie

    operator will be standing by at 415-690-6352

    35th caller wins a gold star!

  66. Austin Battenberg

    Thanks Paulie. You may not have made a video but the great work you do here at IPR is much more important and long lasting then a youtube video in a sea of videos.

    That being said, I am not afraid of being criticized. I WANT to be criticized. I just want it to be among like minded peers BEFORE I make it public. Because once its on youtube, its pretty much too late to make any changes.

    I think Ron Paul was so unique because of the multitude of grassroots work promoting his candidacy. It’s a shame that Johnson doesn’t have the same….yet. But I want to help be a part of that grassroots. Unlike Barr, I don’t have to defend Johnsons past record. I’m excited about his candidacy and I know I can get people to cross over to vote for him.

  67. Steven Berson

    Austin –
    You can send a link of your vid to [i]steve at totalsonic dot net[/i] and I’d be glad to check it out and give you some feedback on it.

  68. New Hampshire State Convention

    Today.

    This was the State nominating convention.

    John Babiarz was chosen as candidate for governor. This is the key race. 4% for Governor allows the party to nominate by convention in two years. Hardy Macia was nominated for Congress. There was a long series of other nominations. Assuming that the party organizing petition gets enough signatures, these people can be placed on the ballot in November by filing paperwork. There was then a vote for the state Party’s choices of Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates. Lee Wrights and Gary Johnson were nominated. Following this were nominations for Vice President. You may rest assured I had absolutely no expectation until it happened that anyone would stand up and place my name in nomination before the convention.

    Some shuffling of nominations and offices then went on. We have someone running for County registrar of Deeds. A vigorous investigation of false filings and failure to file changes of mortgage ownership was promised.

    The most important race in NH is the race for Governor. Seth Cohn, who is a sitting state legislator, will not run for re-election to the state legislature. There was significant discussion of running someone for Secretary of State. That person is elected by the 400 members of the State House.

  69. Austin Battenberg

    Guys that interview that Chuck Todd from MSNBC had of Gary Johnson was one of his BEST interviews to date! Front page material if you ask me. (not to mention I want much more articles to tag Gary Johnson so Bob Barr’s name isn’t so damn large.

  70. Steven Berson

    Just got this email from the Modern Whig Party:

    Modern Whig Party June 2012 & Convention Update
    2012 Whig National Convention-Bloomington, MN August 3rd-5th.
    Convention Agenda & Times
    Friday August 3rd- Check in and registration 12pm-1pm. Convention begins at 1:05pm and will go to 6pm on Friday.
    Saturday August 4th- Check in and registration from 8am-9am. Convention begins at 9:05am and will go to 6pm with breaks for lunch.
    Sunday August 5th- Check in and registration from 8am-9am. Convention begins at 9:05am and will close at 4pm.
    The convention will be streamed live and archived, as well as recorded for podcasting.
    ** The specific itinerary is still being decided upon, however we will be participating in the following at the convention**
    We will be reviewing the text of the Whig website and possibly changing it
    Review and expanding of National Bylaws
    Election of National Officers
    Reports and Speeches from National and State Officers
    Presentations and classes on Whig Philosophy, State Chapter Building and Maintaining, Whig Roundtables, Campaigning for office, A budget presentation from the Committee for a Fiscally Responsible Budget.
    Whig Candidate speeches and Q&A
    Governing Role Playing Training Scenarios with Whig members and candidates
    Guest Speakers
    Nomination of a Presidential candidate for 2012
    Being a Delegate- You can be a delegate who attends the convention or participates online. Either way as a delegate you are part of the Whig National Council which directs the Whig Party during convention years. You will be able to expand on bylaws, vote on a presidential candidate, participate in Whig Education and Training, vote on Whig National Officers, participate in the launching of the Whig Roundtables, and participate in Governing Role Playing Training Scenarios with other Whig members and candidates. Of course you will also be able to socialize with fellow Whigs, enjoy the Mall of America, downtown Minneapolis, and nearby nature parks.
    To be a delegate all you have to answer the following questions:
    Are you a registered Whig member?
    Are you a U.S. Citizen?
    Are you 18 years old as of August 3rd2012?
    Are you a registered voter as of August 3rd2012?
    If you attend the convention in Minnesota are you willing to submit a government issued ID to the Convention Registrar to verify your identity?
    ** The above questions are the only questions you have to answer if you are part of an inactive state chapter. If you are in an active state chapter, your state chapter may have other questions or processes for you to become a delegate in addition to these questions. **
    ** Any active duty or veteran military Whig members are encouraged to wear a military uniform to the convention if they desire too. **
    ** There is a onetime $20 registration fee for each delegate attending the national convention this can either be paid in cash or via a check made to the Modern Whig Party of America.**
    ** There will be no child care provided by the party during the convention. Depending on space requirements spouses and partners who are non Whigs may attend the convention and sit in on convention proceedings. They must register as well with the Convention Registrar but do not need to pay a registration fee. We are still in the process of determining if we will allow children above the age of 14 to sit in on convention proceedings. **
    If you are interested in being a 2012 Whig National Delegate please email convention2012@modernwhig.orgwith your answer to the above questions. Check http://www.modernwhig.orgfor your state chapter contact. If you have any question about your state chapter contact email convention2012@modernwhig.org If you have already contacted Andrew Evans about your desire to serve as a delegate please contact your state chapter if appropriate and also email convention2012@modernwhig.org.
    The maximum numbers of delegates per state are listed on http://www.modernwhig.orgunder the Convention navigation tab. If you have any questions regarding this please contact your appropriate state chapter contact or convention2012@modernwhig.org
    Attending the Convention in Minnesota
    The meeting room for the national convention is going to be being booked within the next week or two. The party is still trying to raise money to pay for delegate rooms but that is not guaranteed that rooms will be paid for by the party so please consider that in your travelling plans.
    W e are going to be booking the Fontainebleau meeting room at the Sofitel Minneapolis Hotel http://www.sofitel.com/gb/hotel-0539-sofitel-minneapolis/index.shtml
    What the National Convention Planning Committee needs to know is how many delegates are ready to RSVP at this point to the national convention or are seriously considering attending the convention in Minnesota. Please email convention2012@modernwhig.orgif you are RSVP or if you are seriously considering attending the convention. Please let us know ASAP if you are coming to the convention or are seriously considering it. The last day to RSVP to attend the convention in Minnesota is July 20, 2012. If you have
    Bylaw amendments and website text change
    In preparation of the National Convention in August, there are forums dedicated to bylaw amendment proposals and website text proposals. You can find these at the Modern Whig Forum. You must be a Whig member to post in these forums and you must have a free website account set up at http://www.modernwhig.org You can set up an account by registering in the top right hand corner of the homepage. Please see the forum for the rules and final dates to you have your proposals in. You will not see the forums at http://www.modernwhig.org/forumunless you are a Whig member with a website account.
    Donations
    The Modern Whigs are proud to support Whig members, Pat Martin, Joe Brown, and Glen Menze for U.S. Congress. We are also endorsing Bill Cimbrelo for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts. We also have a Whig member running for city council in Nevada. These candidates need your donation and actions of support. If you have donated and are donating to the Whigs, thank you for your support. If you have not yet donated please seriously consider doing so. The Whigs cannot continue to grow without financial support. All of our officers are volunteers and we work to keep the organization going with as little money as possible, but money is still needed to function and to grow. Please consider donating at least 1, 3, or 5 dollars for June. Please also consider setting up a month to month donation (that you can cancel anytime via PayPal) of any amount you choose.
    Your donations help keep the organization going and enable us to engage in more activities which will bring in more people and then lead to more donations and action. With your help this can become a cycle that continues on and grows. You can donate at http://www.modernwhig.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=3
    Welcome aboard
    The Whigs welcome Michael Burger as the new Northern Regional Coordinator. This position is a National Vice Chair position. Michael Burger can be reached at northwhigs@modernwhig.org
    Congratulations to John Vinjie who was elected as the new Minnesota State Chair by the Minnesota Whigs.
    Congratulations to Greg Schlitt who is the new Michigan State Chair of the Michigan Whigs. Greg can be reached at michigan@modernwhig.org
    Congratulations to Doug Olson, the new Nebraska Whigs chair. Doug can be reached at Nebraska@modernwhig.org
    Congratulations to Joshua Stanfield the new Washington Whigs chair. Joshua can be reached at Washington@modernwhig.org

    Whig Social Media
    The Whig Facebook group will be closing soon and the official Modern Whig Party Facebook page will be the only official Facebook presence of the Modern Whigs. Make sure you have liked the Facebook page so you can stay connected. http://www.facebook.com/groups/16692232269/#!/ModernWhigs

    All the best,
    Andrew Evans
    National Chairman
    Modern Whig Party
    andrewevans@modernwhig.org

  71. R. D. Holland

    I checked out the Whig website, and wondered if it were possible that “the Modern Whigs” might nominate someone already nominated by another party [I thought Goode might fit] or would they go with yet another presidential choice? It would seem to me an alliance of some type between these various independents, agreeing to back a common candidate, would make sense…. Of course, I know there are a variety of agendas but an “Independent Coalition” of some shape or form seems to me to be the only way to win in November, unless of course, the motive is not to really win, but rather promote “an image or idea.” Feedback?

  72. Steven R Linnabary

    Just wondering what others thought of this:

    Received this a few minutes ago from Starchild.

    “NOTE: This message was sent to me and I assume to other LNC members, and as it obviously pertains to LNC matters, I am posting it here.

    Love & Liberty,
    ((( starchild )))
    At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

    Begin forwarded message:

    > From: Daniel Wiener
    > Date: June 9, 2012 9:06:34 PM PDT
    > To: variouspeople@myfatherwrote.com
    > Subject: Reflector utility
    >
    > For the convenience of any LNC members and alternates (and Carla Howell if she chooses) who wish to communicate with each other outside of the official LNC-Discuss list, I am setting up an email reflector utility. This will perform the same function as sending an email to a set of addresses in the CC line, but without having to cut and paste a collection of addresses each time. Note that the set of email addresses I am using are people’s personal addresses, and not their LP.ORG addresses.
    >
    > I am establishing the following conditions for those who wish to be included: You must agree that you will not disseminate any email distributed via this reflector utility to anyone who is not a participant, unless you first receive the explicit permission of the author of that particular email. And if an email includes quotes or referenced comments or other emails being replied to, you may not include those quotes or referenced comments or other emails unless you have also first received the explicit permission of their authors.
    >
    > I consider this a good “free market” solution to the controversy we’ve been having over the LNC-Discuss list. I have no idea to what extent I or anyone else will choose to employ this new reflector utility, but it will be available for those who want it.
    >
    > If you desire to be a participant, please let me know and indicate that you agree to the above conditions. If at any point you wish to cease participating or you do not want to be bound by the above conditions going forward, just let me know and I will then delete you from the set of email addresses.
    >
    > Those who choose to participate will be sent further information in the near future.
    >
    > Dan Wiener
    >
    > P.S. I do not intend to debate the merits of this reflector utility, and I especially will NOT comment on it on the official LNC-Discuss list. If you disagree with its value, you are free not to participate.

    PEACE

  73. Jill Pyeatt

    This is very disturbing. I won’t be voting for Mr. Wiener next time, for sure. Has he forgotten that he represents people who deserve to know what’s going on? Things wouldn’t have been so bad the last two years if more people had been aware of what bad behavior was going on.

  74. Steven Berson

    @ 102 – apparently the candidates who have expressed interest in gaining the Modern Whig nomination are Michealene Risley (formerly in the top 5 of Americans Elect declared candidates), Andre Barnett (also seeking the Reform Party nomination), and T.J. O’Hara. Links to all these candidates websites are at http://www.modernwhig.org/candidates

    Buddy Roemer was formerly seeking the nomination as well (as well as the nomination of Americans Elect and the Reform Party) but he has dropped out from all campaigns.

    Apparently the Modern Whigs have had some communications with both the Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson campaigns towards whether they would be interested in seeking it as well.

    I do not know whether the Modern Whigs actually possess any ballot access at this point – but if they do I can’t imagine it being more than 5 States or so.

  75. Austin Battenberg

    For those who want to see the Johnson interview, it is at the top of the page here: http://rundown.msnbc.msn.com/

    Because its not a youtube, I don’t have the exact link to the player. maybe someone else can figure it out?

  76. just saying

    Gov. Ventura has a new book coming out this week — “DemoCrips and ReBloodlicans”

  77. bruuno

    Any word on who the Socialist Workers Party nominated for President? I know they said they would choose someone this weekend. Of course they said they would choose someone in March also.

  78. Jill Pyeatt

    Found in my email . I think the issue of transparency on the LNC is an urgent matter. Apparently, some people are quite disturbed to have us know what they’re talking about. If you have an opinion on this, you may wish to weigh in with certain members:

    Grassroots Libertarians Caucus
    Messages In This Digest (1 Message)

    1.
    IMPORTANT – Fwd: [Lnc-discuss] Question about confidentiality of LNC From: Starchild

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    Message

    1.
    IMPORTANT – Fwd: [Lnc-discuss] Question about confidentiality of LNC
    Posted by: “Starchild” sfdreamer@earthlink.net intoliberty
    Sat Jun 9, 2012 4:24 pm (PDT)

    NOTE: This is the first time I have directly referred to this LNC reflector list on the LNC-Discuss list (although I believe a number of other LNC members know about it), so given the discussion that has already taken place there, I anticipate there may be some attempt to either shut this list down, or keep me from being able to continue to post LNC messages here for ordinary LP members to be able to read. I have always intended to be fully open about the existence of this list and have made no attempt to keep it secret, but thought it best to get caught up on forwarding messages first, which I have now done in the past day or so, before making it virtually impossible for the secrecy faction on the LNC to ignore, in case they make some attempt at censorship.

    Therefore, if you value having the ability to follow what the LNC is doing, NOW is the time to let all party members know about this list — the more members vote with their feet by subscribing, the more loathe others will be to shut it down, I think — and to lobby your LNC members for openness and transparency. Let them know that you will oppose their reelection if they attempt to enforce secrecy!

    List of LNC members who seem to be committed advocates of secrecy:

    Scott Lieberman (Alternate, Region 4 – AR, CA, NV, NM, NY) – scott73@earthlink.net
    Sam Goldstein (Alternate, Region 3 – IN, KY, OH, MI) – sam.goldstein@lp.org
    David Blau (Alternate, Region 5n – CT, MA, ME, NH, NJ, RI, VT) – chair@lpmass.org
    Daniel Wiener (Regional Rep., Region 4 – AR, CA, NV, NM, NY) – wiener@alum.mit.edu

    List of LNC members who have indicated some willingness to embrace secrecy (please don’t be too hard on them, they may be open to reason):

    Geoff Neale (LP Chair) – chair@lp.org
    Norm Olsen (Regional Rep., Region 1 – AK, AZ, CO, HI, ID, KS, MT, UT, WA, WY) – region4rep@doneDad.com

    I am likely forgetting one or two folks here, but don’t have time to go back and check now. If anyone else has names to add to this list based on the message archives, please do so.

    Love & Liberty,
    ((( starchild )))
    At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
    (415) 625-FREE

    Begin forwarded message:

    > From: Starchild
    > Date: June 9, 2012 3:55:57 PM PDT
    > To: region4rep@doneDad.com, lnc-discuss@hq.lp.org
    > Subject: Re: [Lnc-discuss] Question about confidentiality of LNC discuss (non-confidential)
    > Reply-To: lnc-discuss@hq.lp.org
    >
    > Norm,
    >
    > I’ve been using email lists for years, and am aware that “it (is) often difficult to discern sarcasm from fact, forked tongue from tongue in cheek, etc.” That goes with the territory, and it is true regardless of the number of people to which one is communicating. As you illustrate in referring to the previous release of LNC-Discuss messages by George Phillies, you will never know when you write something whether you are writing to a small or a large audience anyway.
    >
    > But I don’t think one person sending emails to George Phillies was the only means by which LNC discussions were being made public. I have seen no evidence that there was ever a time when all LNC members considered this list to be confidential. It appears there were many things going on behind the scenes. According to former LNC member Stewart Flood, “there are secret meetings where a majority of the LNC decide in advance how to vote and where motions are written and given to members on cue cards.” He added that “(Aaron) Starr was usually the chair of the meetings that I attended. He continued to do this (over my objection) after he was defeated in his re-election bid for office.” (see https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/05/lnc-elections-thread/#comment-745794 ).
    >
    > What all was discussed at those meetings? To which emails or information from this list were Aaron Starr or other non-LNC members at those meetings privy? Perhaps one of the LNC members from last term who attended these meetings will comment and let us know more about what protocols, if any, were in place?
    >
    > We have a proper procedure to vote and make a topic secret when there is a sufficient legal basis for doing so. People who want a particular topic kept secret should use that procedure and publicly present their rationale for secrecy. They should not attempt to deny ordinary party members the ability to follow the group discussions of their elected representatives, nor hold secret meetings with a quorum of other LNC members!
    >
    > It is unfair to our members when some LP members not on the LNC — whether it’s George Phillies, Aaron Starr, or anyone else — have more access to what representatives on this body discuss in our official capacities than other ordinary party members do. As I have said, I believe all LP members have the right to see what their party representatives are discussing and doing in our official capacities, because voters cannot make informed decisions when they are kept in the dark. That means this list should be visible to any interested party member to sign up and read. And we need to have opportunity for public comment, just as we are mandated to do by the Policy Manual when we meet in person.
    >
    > With these considerations in mind, until such time as we collectively embrace open and transparent standards of governance to which we should be adhering, I will do my best to ensure that ordinary members of the LP are able to read our discussions elsewhere, since they cannot subscribe here. These messages are currently available for viewing at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LNCDiscussPublic/ , perhaps elsewhere. I believe I have exercised and will exercise reasonable discretion in choosing what to make public, and that the main substantive difference from previous practice is that this is happening in an open and aboveboard manner accessible to all, rather than piecemeal with people knowing that messages were not being kept confidential but choosing to ignore the situation. I am doing this as a courtesy as well as an obligation to the 12,923 people, since in my judgement as a representative committed to transparency and a bottom-up party is, with all due consideration and no disrespect intended, more important than what you refer to as a courtesy to the handful of individuals on this list who have expressed a desire that some or all writings here be kept secret unless specifically authorized by the sender.
    >
    > As I also have said previously, if we are straightforward and honest in our communications, put what we believe is right rather ahead of what we believe is popular, and express ourselves substantially the same way publicly that we do privately when discussing Libertarian Party business, there is no reason to worry about what members may think of what you write here. If we say something in error or change our minds, we can send out corrections and clarifications. If you ever wish to do something of that nature, I will do everything I can to ensure that anyone who may have heard your initial comments hears your correction or clarification.
    >
    > Love & Liberty,
    > ((( starchild )))

  79. Jill Pyeatt

    This was sent out yesterday:

    > From: Daniel Wiener
    > Date: June 9, 2012 9:06:34 PM PDT
    > To: variouspeople@myfatherwrote.com
    > Subject: Reflector utility
    >
    > For the convenience of any LNC members and alternates (and Carla Howell if she chooses) who wish to communicate with each other outside of the official LNC-Discuss list, I am setting up an email reflector utility. This will perform the same function as sending an email to a set of addresses in the CC line, but without having to cut and paste a collection of addresses each time. Note that the set of email addresses I am using are people’s personal addresses, and not their LP.ORG addresses.
    >
    > I am establishing the following conditions for those who wish to be included: You must agree that you will not disseminate any email distributed via this reflector utility to anyone who is not a participant, unless you first receive the explicit permission of the author of that particular email. And if an email includes quotes or referenced comments or other emails being replied to, you may not include those quotes or referenced comments or other emails unless you have also first received the explicit permission of their authors.
    >
    > I consider this a good “free market” solution to the controversy we’ve been having over the LNC-Discuss list. I have no idea to what extent I or anyone else will choose to employ this new reflector utility, but it will be available for those who want it.
    >
    > If you desire to be a participant, please let me know and indicate that you agree to the above conditions. If at any point you wish to cease participating or you do not want to be bound by the above conditions going forward, just let me know and I will then delete you from the set of email addresses.
    >
    > Those who choose to participate will be sent further information in the near future.
    >
    > Dan Wiener
    >
    > P.S. I do not intend to debate the merits of this reflector utility, and I especially will NOT comment on it on the official LNC-Discuss list. If you disagree with its value, you are free not to participate.

  80. NewFederalist

    Jill- are you suggesting there is never a time or place for discreet discussions among/between LNC members?

  81. Alan Pyeatt

    I’m not an expert on the subject, but if we were talking about Council members in a California city rather than LNC members, wouldn’t Dan Wiener’s new email list violate the Brown Act? (See pages 13-14 here: http://www.cacities.org/openandpublic.) And whether it does or not, don’t we want our party to run its business in an open, transparent manner that sets an example for the other parties, instead of doing things in secrecy?

    Our elected representatives should be doing everything possible to inform LP members and solicit our input whenever possible. Doing things in secret (other than legitimate closed sessions) is NOT the libertarian way!

    It might be a good idea to remember the words of a newspaper editor from the Revolutionary War era:

    “Without this check [freedom of the press], we should be liable to oppression, whenever a tyrant was in power; nay, an ambitious designing ruler, I dare to say, fears more the correction of the Press, than any other controul whatever; and it is to the freedom with which the conduct of the Great is scanned in England, that we are principally indebted for our glorious constitution.” (Quoted in “The Political Thought of the American Revolution” by Clinton Rossiter)

    If these people, supposedly our elected representatives, are allowed to operate in secrecy, our party will be left with the system of governance advocated by Joseph Schumpeter in “Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy.” In that system, people simply elect rulers every so often, who then proceed to do whatever the hell they feel like doing. Please note that as Schumpeter pointed out, this system is ANTITHETICAL to the classical liberal system of government that the Founding Fathers developed.

    I will not vote for anyone who opposes transparency and accountability to our members. Anybody who does that needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror and ask him/herself what they hell they’re in our party for.

  82. Seebeck

    Turning Technologies offers rentable, scalable, NRT e-voting technology that can greatly reduce voting time at LP conventions. Sent this on to Lee Wrights as well. I suggest all state officers check it out as well and decide if this is something useful for you or not. E-voting at national conventions? That wheel is already invented and is readily available.

    (Disclosure: I have no ties to this company. I just happened to see and use it in action at my electric co-op’s convention and was impressed by it’s quick voting process for the 250 members in attendance.)

    The company URL is http://www.turningtechnologies.com

  83. Rob Banks

    Nice to see Constitution Party activists talking about voting for the LP nominee, rather than the other way around as was the case 4 years ago.

  84. Austin Battenberg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKg2I_2-9E

    This is a speech by Tom Woods to the Texas Libertarian Convention just recently.

    The last 20 minutes is important as he talks to the LP, and his own suggestions for us and other encouraging things. The whole speech is worth watching, but if you are a LP member, the last 20 minutes is the most important.

  85. zapper

    ..North Dakota Measure To Eliminate Property Taxes Just the Beginning, Advocates Say
    By SUSANNA KIM | Good Morning America – 22 hrs ago..

    This is a hot issue spreading around the country. It’s more popular than the Fair Tax – although the recent ballot measure to repeal all taxes on property lost 76 to 24 in ND.

    The movement to end all taxes on property is a pure libertarian issue – taxes on property, especially on land, are the greatest violation of individual liberty of all taxes and cause the most damage to the economy.

    The LP should jump on this bandwagon …

    – We should be leading it –

    … and include it as one of our leading edge issues, along with legalizing marijuana, marriage equality, ending the empire, a non-interventionist foreign policy of peace, balanced budgets, Johnson’s 43% cut in Federal Spending, and replacing the income tax with a single consumption tax.

    We should include this as a keystone in building a winning coalition for liberty. This appeals to homeowners, retirees, farmers, and other landowners … many of whom will already agree on other issues and will join us totally when we press ahead to repeal all taxes on land and property.

  86. Ad Hoc

    Jesse Ventura wants you to vote for Gary Johnson; CNN edits it out

    By Stephen Elliott – The Daily Caller

    In a segment Tuesday on CNN’s ‘Starting Point’ with Christine Romans, former wrestler and governor Jesse Ventura urged voters to consider Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson — but CNN edited that piece of the interview out of the internet coverage of the story.

    At the conclusion of the interview, Ventura encourages people who “really want to rebel” against the tyranny of the two party system to vote for Johnson, a former governor and Republican candidate who won the Libertarian nomination in May.

    In the CNN write-up and accompanying video posted on CNN’s website, which can be seen below, there is no mention of Johnson.

    Ventura was promoting his new book ‘DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans: No More Gangs in Government,’ which is Ventura’s manifesto about the two-party system and its obstruction of political progress.

    The book by the former “Predator” star calls for more political freedom, arguing that candidates should be forced to run on their own platforms instead of a party’,s and that voters should educate themselves on individual candidates rather than parties.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/14/jesse-ventura-wants-you-to-vote-for-gary-johnson-cnn-edits-it-out/

  87. just asking

    Too bad the caller who wanted to ask Gov. Johnson about governments force-drugging people with sodium fluoride didn’t speak up.

  88. Austin Battenberg

    What’s with the lack of updates?

    Gary Johnson with Chuck Todd on MSNBC 6/8/12
    http://rundown.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/08/12124891-twos-a-partythrees-a-national-ballot?lite

    Gary Johnson on CBS’s On the Hot Seat 06/12/12
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57451703-503544/11-questions-with-gary-johnson/
    and
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57449768-503544/gary-johnson-compares-u.s-to-greece-laughs-at-obamas-economic-plan/

    Jesse Ventura endorses Gary Johnson too. He mentions Johnson in every interview he is in. On CNN, Current TV, Alex Jones, etc. I could post multiple links but you could pick and choose any of them. Here is the one the Johnson campaign used in their email.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jesse-ventura-tells-cnn-morning-crew-why-politicians-should-wear-nascar-outfits/

    Gary Johnson on IVN
    http://ivn.us/2012/06/13/gary-johnson-message-voters-axe-grind/

    Gary Johnson on Examiner
    http://www.examiner.com/article/gary-johnson-takes-on-romney-and-obama-as-viable-candidate

    Gary Johnson on Cafe Mom
    http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/138860/5_facts_about_gary_johnson

    Gary Johnson on the Alex Jones show
    http://rss.infowars.com/20120614_Thu_Alex.mp3
    This is the whole show, so you have to skip ahead, but if you want to see the youtube, the links can be found here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i2yQGR2Gnk&feature=plcp (starts at 10:40)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUQD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCGWocDKzoU&feature=plcp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811pnoLLzn8&feature=plcp

    The videos were in parts, but worth a watch if your a Johnson supporter.

    Any of these or all should perhaps be linked to the front page if you ask me.

  89. paulie Post author

    What’s with the lack of updates?

    b

    Busy with work. This is not my job, it’s a hobby.

    I’ve signed up a lot of other people to post here. I guess they are busy too.

    Would you like to be signed up?

  90. Austin Battenberg

    I’ve never considered it. I’m interested. I just don’t exactly know what’s involved.

  91. Austin Battenberg

    And just to be fair, here is some news on other candidates:

    Jill Stein on CNN 05/27/12
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/05/27/nr-intv-stein.cnn

    Jill Stein on SF Bay Guardian 05/16/12
    http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2012/05/16/green-presidential-candidate-seeks-energize-disenfranchised

    Jill Stein on the Washington Post 06/06/12
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/massachusetts-physician-jill-stein-says-she-has-enough-delegates-for-green-party-nomination/2012/06/06/gJQA8NCIJV_story.html

    Roseanne Barr on USA Today 06/14/12 (She isn’t quitting even though Jill Stein has enough delegates to win the nomination)
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/06/roseanne-barr-green-party-president/1#.T9tm7JhNt8E

    Sorry, no new Virgil Goode articles that I could find.

  92. Austin Battenberg

    Thanks for signing me up. I’m going to work now, but I have been playing around with the site a little, updating tags, etc., and will post a few news links later today or tomorrow.

    Thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this website.

  93. Jill Pyeatt

    Is anyone else experiencing weirdness on this site? Comments are being posted in the left column, but the comments themselves don’t seen to be under the articles. For, example, I see there’s a comment for the new Darcy Richardson article, but it says”No comments”. It is also happening on the LNC Minutes thread. Does anyone know how to fix it?

  94. Jill Pyeatt

    Nevermind. In the time it took me to type the above comment, the articles have appeared. Hmmm.

  95. Jill Pyeatt

    I found this on Facebook. Deborah Tharp is an acquaintance of mine. I met her at a debate about marijuana featuring Judge Jim Gray in 2010. She was running for Assembly District 30 as a Libertarian at the time. Here’s her statement about an event last week.

    “My official statement regarding my false arrest at Mother’s Market re: marijuana petition
    .

    “Please help spread the word about this incident. This issue affects all of us, and all of our rights.

    I have been asked to make a statement about my arrest. Rather than focus on myself, I would prefer to focus on the matter at hand—namely, the right to petition our government and the qualification of the issue at hand. But background facts will be necessary for this statement.

    For those who wish to know why I am so passionate about this issue, a statement from my husband can be read here: http://www.facebook.com/notes/deborah-tharp/my-husbands-response-to-my-false-arrest-i-love-you-donny/379763475413142

    Last Friday, I was arrested while circulating a medical marijuana petition in front of Mother’s Market on 19th st. in Costa Mesa. (714-549-6400 email: customerservice@mothersmarket.com)

    In my opinion this was an unlawful arrest because I was in an area that had been designated as a free speech area. This is an area where there were community billboards on multiple occasions that included political flyers and also a store where petitions have been circulated in the recent past with their blessings. It is my contention, for these reasons and more, that the store was attempting to squelch free speech based on the issue and that the Costa Mesa police department aided and abetted my unlawful arrest.

    California criminal code states clearly that in the case of a misdemeanor, a citizen’s arrest can only be carried out if the citizen has actually witnessed a crime in their presence.

    I contend that the police did not press charges of trespass themselves because they had sound reason to believe that I had a right to be petitioning at that location. My arrest is on video, including the fact that they were not pressing charges of trespass themselves, but were facilitating Mother’s Market in pressing those charges.

    As a matter of fact, during every step of the proceedings, the officer who answered my pleas said “I am not the one responsible for this arrest.”

    I also suspect that they failed to advise Mother’s Market of the severity of the crime they would be committing should they be found guilty of false arrest.

    Furthermore, while the police are required to accept a LAWFUL citizen’s arrest, what they do with the arrestee following the arrest is a matter of their discretion. I suspect that because the arresting officer had told me the day before (on camera) that any legal actions arising as a result of the arrest would be the responsibility of the arresting citizen (namely the manager of Mother’s Market) that they felt they could “have a field day with me” and face no consequences for their actions. Their advice to the fact that they would not be responsible for their actions came from the city attorney, Tom Duarte.

    Rather than merely citing me, and releasing me with a court date to resolve the dispute, the police chose to book me to the maximum security jail in Santa Ana where I was forced to strip naked in front of a guard, denied asthma medication which I had on my person at the time of my arrest thus endangering my life, denied my phone calls to arrange my release with bail, and forced to endure cold with very little clothing for several hours while being subjected to extreme verbal and mental abuse. Some of the abusive statements were actually threatening, including “maybe you should leave town and not come back,” and “what petition were you working on? Well maybe that is why you are in here.” This is a mere snippet of the abuse and intimidation that I was subjected to once the cameras were not there to protect me. This abuse continued for more than 20 hours before my eventual release, several hours after my bail was posted.

    Again, no actions can be excused regardless of percieved letter of the law. This was a false arrest.

    Let me state for the record that I have absolutely no criminal record, nor have I ever been in prison. In fact, I am an active member of the community, recent graduate from UCI, journalist, and former political candidate. Hardly a hardened criminal.

    So what led to this extremely intimidating behavior? I believe the city’s and store’s actions are an effort to squelch our free speech rights based on the issue—medical marijuana– even to the breaking of law and violation of other constitutional rights.

    This suspicion is further supported by the fact that this city asked for the feds to come to Costa Mesa and raid collectives. Prop 215 states that it is a violation of law to involve the federal government in these matters. It would appear that they chose those who were most politically active to be the target of those federal raids. It is also possible that they flagrantly violated the Brown Act when they initiated these proceedings during a closed session.

    I am not the only petitioner who has been arrested during this campaign. One of my colleagues was arrested while circulating this petition as well and had his car towed.

    I have also heard many say that Mother’s is private property and that I should have just left. This is not the case in California, and it is not the merely the Pruneyard decision that gives me the right to petition at a private property that welcomes the public, it is our state constitution. I have been working at other areas, but the demographics of the rest of the city do not produce a volume of signatures adequate to qualify the issue in time. I was getting 5 stops an hour at other locations and about ten signatures an hour by district walking during evening hours. I have video of myself getting more than 20 stops in 40 minutes at Mother’s.

    We face the problem of an ever shrinking area to petition the public, and this limits our ability to facilitate the process of direct democracy in California, which is our last resort to deal with a legislature and local government that no longer caters to the needs of the general public, but instead panders to special interest and big money.

    I made several pleas to the city attorney to demand help with access, including the fact that I was allowed to petition on private property. My pleas were met with the argument that Mother’s was a private property and that I would be arrested if I did not leave. It was clear to me that he had not read my grievance. My unlawful arrest came after more than a week’s delay on a petition with only 6 weeks left to qualify and many requests for reasonable action.

    Let me be clear that this issue applies to ALL FREE SPEECH ACTIVITIES, not just medical marijuana rights, so your rights are at risk as well whether you care about medical marijuana or not.

    Now for the important matter at hand. The real issue is right to petition. Should any city government be able to show even the appearance of interfering with a petition that would directly affect them?

    This issue needs to qualify if for no other reason than the government needs to be shown that our first amendment rights cannot be suppressed by even the slightest interference and especially not by heavy handed and dangerous tactics such as these.

    I am asking for your help. I am not asking for donations for myself or my legal fees. This is something that I can handle. I am a big girl. I am asking for help to qualify this initiative so that we can show the city that “we the people” are in charge. We have a mere 20 days left to accomplish this goal.

    There are several ways you can help.

    1) Call the city and tell them that the community is watching their actions closely for the remainder of this drive.

    (714) 754-5000

    2) Volunteer to gather signatures. In fact, the proponents of this issue have offered to pay all volunteers $3 per valid signature to get this issue on the ballot because they recognize that so many people are struggling financially and can barely afford to pay their own bills, let alone give away their valuable free time. That should make it worth your time if nothing else. You can reach me by my Facebook page or by email at votedebbie@yahoo.com. You can also contact http://www.bythepeopleproject.com

    3) Donate to the initiative’s PAC at http://www.bythepeopleproject.com so that they can afford to pay the expenses of qualifying this issue with such short time and so many hurdles. Any amount, even one dollar, will help.

    And one more very important matter. I believe that positive reinforcement is every bit as effective, in not more so, than negative. State Brothers on Harbor Blvd. has rolled out the welcome mat for this petition because they respect free speech and our right to petition our government. We have garnered many signatures from this location thanks to concerned citizens such as your selves. Please thank them for supporting the initiative process in our city.

    Sincerely,

    Debbie Tharp

    .

  96. Austin Battenberg

    Hey guys, I don’t know how to do this, but I suggest we link to the facebook page from this site. Facebook is so big and important now, it is silly NOT to be connected to facebook.

    Just a thought.

  97. Austin Battenberg

    And would anyone care if I went through all the “ballot access news” tags and change them all into “ballot access” tags? It seems somewhat repetitive to have both on the popular tags section. I don’t mind doing it.

  98. Jill Pyeatt

    Austin, there’s a spot at the end of each article where you can share the article on Facebook. I almost always post my articles that way, and sometimes there’s good conversation there as well as here.

  99. Austin Battenberg

    Oh I know that. But if you go to other websites that use wordpress, they have on the sidebar an actual LINK to their facebook page with a listing of some of their friends. The larger the presence we have on facebook, the more views we could potentially get to this site.

  100. New Liberty For America Up!

    The new issue of Liberty for America, the May/June issue beginning coverage of the National Convention, is up at

    http://libertyforamerica.com/201206.pdf

    Articles include:

    National Convention Meets
    Editor’s Note
    Starchild Launches Reflector List
    A Conspiracy Unmasked
    Starchild Explains His List
    Wiener Launches Counterlist
    Goldstein Discusses Expulsion from LNC
    Johnson Endorses Republican Candidate
    Johnson Suit Dismissed
    Johnson Campaign Claims Huge Debts
    Controversy over Johnson Staffer
    NatCon Seats Reeves Faction
    Is Oregon Ballot Access Gone?
    National Convention to Orlando
    Chuck Moulton Analyzes LNC Votes
    Floor Fees
    New York Translocated by Capozzi
    Cloud LNC Election Challenged
    Trying to Rig the National Convention Outcome
    Why I Ran for Vice Chair
    LNC Membership and Income in 2012
    Electronic Edition Only: Chuck Moulton’s Brilliant Statement Opposing Floor Fees

    … George Phillies

  101. paulie Post author

    And would anyone care if I went through all the “ballot access news” tags and change them all into “ballot access” tags? It seems somewhat repetitive to have both on the popular tags section. I don’t mind doing it.

    That’s a reference to http://www.ballot-access.org/ which is the source of many of the stories here.

  102. paulie Post author

    Hey guys, I don’t know how to do this, but I suggest we link to the facebook page from this site. Facebook is so big and important now, it is silly NOT to be connected to facebook.

    Just a thought.

    It’s already in the links, but if you figure out a way to link it better that may be good. Also I have seen it suggested that we should have a facebook page as well as a group. Maybe set that up if you have the time.

  103. paulie Post author

    I found this on Facebook. Deborah Tharp is an acquaintance of mine. I met her at a debate about marijuana featuring Judge Jim Gray in 2010. She was running for Assembly District 30 as a Libertarian at the time. Here’s her statement about an event last week.

    If she is a former LP candidate that’s good enough cover to post it as an article IMO, as long as you mention that in the intro and perhaps in the headline as well.

    BTW, I’ve also been falsely arrested for petitioning in public in Orange County, in my case in Anaheim, back in 2002 or 2003. They held me for several days. I’ll tell the story some other time.

  104. paulie Post author

    Thanks for signing me up. I’m going to work now, but I have been playing around with the site a little, updating tags, etc., and will post a few news links later today or tomorrow.

    Thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this website.

    Thanks for helping out!

    Still pretty slammed with work over here…gotta make a few bucks while I can, in my business it’s not always nearly this good.

  105. NewFederalist

    Paulie… assuming you are petitioning right now are you at liberty to say how well things look for various states’ ballot status? I would be interested in your view of how many states (and DC, of course) the LP, GP and CP will make it onto this year. Thanks!

  106. Paulie

    It’s always hard to predict.

    I think the LP will do better than in 2008 and possibly, but not necessarily, better than 2004 in number of states covered. Oklahoma is probably a long shot with the lawsuit (too bad they didn’t return our calls). There are possible pitfalls in quite a few states, so a lot of it will depend on – not exactly luck – but how things “break”.

    While I have had my differences with Bill Redpath on ballot access management – please don’t ask me to type out what all they are, there’s the whole “need time to actually work” thing – he’s much better at managing it himself than in delegating it, as in 2008, to possibly the two worst people on the planet at managing ballot access. I may be exaggerating, but not by much.

    I heard that Roger Stone is starting a new Johnson Superpac with money from pro-marijuana legalization billionaires. If that actually happens, and if some of that goes to ballot access, no state is completely out of the question yet – not even Oklahoma, which could still have an independent candidate petition, but at this late stage in the game that would probably cost somewhere between 500k and a million $ to succeed.

    The Greens are not returning calls – other than a couple of state parties here and there that have been recurring clients – word is they are waiting for matching funds. Assuming that happens, I’ll guesstimate 40. Stein’s campaign seems much better run than McKinney’s.

    Goode has been the biggest disappointment so far. I’m reasonably sure he has a not insignificant amount of money, but he doesn’t seem to be very eager to spend a lot of it. I should probably not harp too much, as he is also a current client, but right now he has us working a deal with not enough money committed to finish it. If he decides to finish it after I’m done with the other clients here, I would have to charge a lot more or go elsewhere. Why do that if he has enough money to have the full amount allocated right off the bat? It won’t save him anything and will quite possibly cost him more, or cost him states, if the same pattern holds elsewhere, and it usually does.

    I’m not projecting above 40 for the CP, and it could be less, again as with the others depending on how things break.

  107. Austin Battenberg

    @143 I simply mean in the tags section the tag “ballot access” and “ballot access news” are side by side, and I’m sure they both represent the same sort of ballot access news stories. My whole point is I would like to go through all 180 “ballot access news” tags, and consolidate it to “ballot access” so we don’t have two of basically the same tag. I don’t want to delete any stories or anything like that.

    I already went through and added tags to a LOT of stories that didn’t have tags, and am trying to build up johnson, stein, and goode as much as possible to get them on the popular tags on the left side of the website. Virgil should be up soon hopefully, but it isn’t helping that he isn’t having any NEW news stories. LOL

  108. Mike Jones

    The tag “ballot access news” refers to stories having to do with, or sourced from, Ballot Access News, which is a print publication as well as a blog.

    The tag “ballot access” has to do with the subject of ballot access which is often the same stories, but not always. Some of the stories about ballot access don’;t come from Ballot Access News and not all stories in Ballot Access News are directly about ballot access.

    I already went through and added tags to a LOT of stories that didn’t have tags, and am trying to build up johnson, stein, and goode as much as possible to get them on the popular tags on the left side of the website.

    Thanks!

  109. Austin Battenberg

    Okay, I have to go to work now. I just created the page and put up a temporary facebook cover. It doesn’t look bad. I haven’t invited anyone to the facebook page yet because I need to fix it up some more. Once the page is fully up to date I’ll start inviting people, making admins, etc. After that is done, I’ll do some research on wordpress to see how to embed the new facebook page to the website.

    For those who want to see what has been done so far, it can be found at http://www.facebook.com/independentpoliticalreport

  110. Jill Pyeatt

    By the way, Austin, I think I found you on Facebook, but I can’t add anyone new. If that is you I found, you certainly have a cute baby.

  111. dennis

    June 13th: Two Reform Party Candidates Qualify for Spot on Ballot

    The leadership of the Reform Party of New Jersey has announced that two of their Congressional candidates have achieved spots on the November ballot. Margaret Chapman, an army veteran and breast cancer survivor, hopes to unseat Rep. Rob Andrews in the First District. Herbert L. Tarbous, a long-time third party activist, will take on Rep. Frank Pallone in the Sixth District. Both campaigns have met the signature threshold to appear on the General Election ballot.

    “This is a great moment for the Reform Party,” said Chairman Jacob Zychick. “Voters in two of New Jersey’s Congressional Districts will finally have viable alternative choices, courageous voices that will once again focus on the issues that matter to the average voter.”

    Student activists founded the Reform Party of New Jersey (RPNJ) in 2009 as a successor to the defunct New Jersey Reform Party of the 1990s. The RPNJ already has an elected official—Belleville Councilman Kevin Kennedy—and has made great strides with respect to party building and media exposure.

    “Margaret Chapman and Herbert L. Tarbous represent the first RPNJ Congressional candidates,” said . “Their ability to become ballot qualified is a testament not only to the hard work Reformers have put in during the recent months, but also the high demand for an alternative to the lackluster Republican and Democratic candidates.”

    Margaret Chapman’s campaign website can be found online at http://www.vote4margaret.info.

    More information about the Reform Party is available atwww.ReformPartyNJ.org.

  112. Austin Battenberg

    I don’t know if I don’t have access to it or not, but I tried adding the facebook page to the sidebar of IPR, however after doing a lot of research, it has to be done using a “widget”, and the “widgets” are under the “appearance” tab on the left hand side of wordpress, yet it isn’t there. Maybe I don’t have access, or maybe I’m an idiot. Help please?

    I’m going to bed, but hopefully in the morning I’ll figure this out so I can add the new IPR facebook page to IPR.

  113. paulie Post author

    Austin, I don’t think you need to email anyone to add them as a facebook admin.

    And emailing me as far as I know would not help, as that would require me to log into facebook, which I haven’t done since October and would like to keep avoiding, at least for the time being.

    If you can add me without me logging in, I can be on there for if/when I decide to start logging in to FB again.

    If you are back up, or up soon, I can try to help figure out the widget thing over the phone.

  114. Austin Battenberg

    Paulie, so in order to add someone as an admin, a person either has to be friends OR “like” the page that they are going to be an admin too.

    In addition, an email is needed because there are many people with the same name, so to make sure you don’t accidentally make someone an admin who isn’t supposed to be, you need to type in the email. It’s basically the same email you use to log yourself into facebook.

    Right now Jill, Mark, and Trent are all admins, but the only way I can add you is once you DO log into facebook, like the page, or accept my friend request (or both), then I can key in your email, and you will be an admin with complete control of the site.

  115. paulie Post author

    Ah. ok. It’ll have to wait then.

    But as far as people with same name, I think there are only two and they are both me.

  116. Jill Pyeatt

    Please do, Austin. I posted the one that got attention yesterday. I don’t want to make enemies for life (although it’s probably too late for that), so it would be great to have you post it instead of me. 😉

  117. wolfefan

    That is an excellent article, Jill @175. Snitker makes the point precisely – you can’t be a party official and a pundit. When Howard Dean or Michael Steele were on talk shows not terribly long ago (back when we knew who the party chairs were) they were on as representatives of their party. Everyone knows that George Stephanopolous or Joe Scarborough are affiliated with a particular party, but they can say what they want because they are not officials of that party.

    If someone wanted to really push it, I wonder if giving Wayne a column could not be considered an in-kind contribution to the LNCC. This was something of an issue for Steven Colbert and the Comedy Network, but I frankly don’t remember how it all shook out.

  118. Austin Battenberg

    I’ll do it when I get off of work today if someone doesn’t already post it. What about the Reason article? It’s pretty interesting, but is less about parties and more about philosophy, so it might not be a valid post. Thoughts?

  119. Total LNC Opacity

    Phillies writes:

    To advance national Libertarian Party positions, the LNC must act. But if you look at the latest (6/19) messages on the Starchild reflector site, you will find that the National Chair is saying he may shut down LNC-Discuss, just at the point at which people have started to settle down and discuss business.

  120. Wayne Root's Press Release

    June 20, 2012
    12:05 am

    I took the world’s greatest poo, it’s huge and smells like roses. Everyone else is jealous of my poo and wishes their poo was as huge as mine and smelled like mine.

    In fact, my poo was so wonderful Obama tried to tax it, but I don’t even let socialists look at my poo.

    I wiped three times using five squares of toilet paper with each wipe. My butt is now clean enough so that everyone who is jealous of my poo can kiss my rich butt.

  121. William Saturn

    On the right side of the screen under “recent entries” there is a a link that reads, “visit the archive for more.” https://independentpoliticalreport.com/archives When this is clicked a very rude message pops up saying: “Easy, tiger. This is a 404 page.
    You are totally in the wrong place. Do not pass GO; do not collect $200.”

    Could somebody fix this?

  122. Humongous Fungus

    #184 One of the funniest things I have seen in a long time! Literally LOL.

  123. Humongous Fungus

    Maybe @184 should be its own IPR article…you know, to keep things “fair and balanced”

  124. paulie Post author

    If anyone does post it, just make sure you make it clear it is not a real Root press release, lol

  125. Darryl W Perry

    I began my campaign for Register of Deeds on May 27. In the three weeks since my campaign began, I have been nominated by the Libertarian party and received 7 endorsements, including the endorsement of a current Presidential candidate. I expect to have more endorsements in the coming weeks and months leading up to the election.
    I’ve been asked if will only accept a portion of my salary, if I were to win. I originally intended to announce a plan to return a portion of the salary to the tax-payers, though doing so would violate New Hampshire law. Instead, I am announcing my intentions to return half of the salary to the County Treasury on the condition that the Treasurer either refund the money to the tax-payers or donate the money to charities ofmy choice.
    I am planning to have either a mass mailing or robocall to registered voters in August. To do this, I will need funding. All donations will be put to good use to promote not only my campaign, but the ideas of liberty.You can donate to the Darryl W. Perry for Register of Deeds campaign via
    If you prefer to make a donation via check or money order, please contact editor (at) freepatriot-press (dot) com for the mailing address

  126. paulie Post author

    h/t Starchild

    http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/06/21/egyptians-dismayed-to-learn-they-imported-democracy-from-florida/

    Egyptians Dismayed to Learn They Imported Democracy from Florida

    In Cairo, Mounting Calls of Return to Sender

    CAIRO (The Borowitz Report) – Just days after they savored their chance to vote in their first-ever democratic election, Egyptians awoke today to the brutal realization that their long-awaited democracy had been imported from Florida.

    “When the United States started exporting democracy to the Middle East, we were naturally very excited,” said University of Cairo political science professor Amgad Nasrallah. “I guess we should have checked to see exactly which part of the United States our democracy was exported from.”

    Dr. Nasrallah said that when the voting in Egypt was over and no clear winner was declared, “I began to fear the worst: that our democracy had come from Florida.”

    “Both sides started claiming victory, and then the government said it wasn’t ready to announce a final result,” he said. “If we find out that this thing is going to the Supreme Court, to borrow an American phrase, we’re fucked.”

    In Cairo today, protesters filled Tahrir Square, demanding that Egypt’s new democracy be returned to sender.

    But in Florida, Governor Rick Scott requested that the Coast Guard create a naval blockade around the state to prevent the Egyptians from returning its democracy to its place of origin.

    “We exported democracy to Egypt because we wanted less of it in Florida, not more,” Gov. Scott. “I’ll be damned if we’re going to take democracy back. Not on my watch. Not on my watch.”

  127. Ad Hoc

    Darryl

    Sounds like you are off to a good start. Door to door may be good for a race that size, especially if you don’t have money for ads off the bat.

  128. George Phillies

    It is difficult to campaign with a vacuum.

    The LNC has some financial issues to consider.

    First, consider the last two National Conventions (source – Starchild Reflector)

    The 2012 Las Vegas convention had:
    Total revenue: $185,226 (doesn’t include banquet fundraising of $39k which went to ballot access)
    Total estimated costs: $158,558
    Total estimated surplus returned to general funds: $26,668

    The 2010 St. Louis convention had
    Total revenue: $110,662 (doesn’t include $68k in banquet fundraising)
    Total costs: $102,896
    Total surplus: $7,766

    Observe that banquet fundraising crashed $29K in a Presidential election year.

    Now we turn to party income. The FEC report for June, covering January-May LNC income and outgo, showed 690,981 of cash raised to date. The National Convention happened at the start of May, so more or less all expenses and revenue for that convention have now been booked, so of that income #224,000 is National convention income, which only happens once a year. at most. Also, rounded, the LNC received $31,000 from the bequest, which also happens only once a year.

    Subtracting the two special events, General fundraising over five months by the LNC was about $436,000. This amount is $87,000/month, or 1.04 million for the year as expected LNC income. (For the two most recent months, general income was more like $75,000 for the month, as seen in the most recent Treasurer reports, which would lead to $0.96 million in general income.)

    To these should be added the bequest, a one-time event, and the convention profit, which between them are ca. $97,000, so the LNC income for this year absent the National Convention is as an estimate about $1.06-1.14 million. That’s well under plan, and this is a Presidential election year. In addition, LPUS membership is still falling, and is now under 13,000.

  129. Ray Pistone

    @205 “Obama denies Kenya and expects us to take him at his word.”

    Very nice!

  130. paulie Post author

    Well, he says it’s his advice to anyone running against Obama, which I guess means Johnson, right?

    …Still working to resolve phone issues, will try to call today.

  131. Darryl W. Perry

    The US Congress has been considering tougher sanctions against Iran in “response” to Iran’s nuclear program; a nuclear program designed to produce energy, not to produce bombs. Though even IF Iran were attempting to build a nuclear weapon, do they have a “right” to nuclear weapons? And who gets to decide?

    This question is much more in depth than it may appear; thus giving an answer is much more difficult than may be expected.

    Libertarians (and anarchs) generally believe that no groups of people have any more right than any individual. For instance, I do not have the right to steal your car. Thus, no group – regardless of size – has a right to steal your car; though groups known as government claim such an illegitimate right. In a similar fashion, every individual has an inherent right to defend themselves (including their friends, family and others from imminent attack) in any manner they see fit. That includes the right to own any weapon they believe is necessary to defend themselves.

    Whether or not this right includes the right to own a nuclear weapon has been the subject of many debates. I believe that, as stated above, no group has more rights than any individual. Therefore, if any group claims the right to own a nuclear weapon, every individual has the same right to own said weapon. Though, I do not believe that anyone could legitimately use a nuclear weapon in a manner purely consistent with self-defense. Any discharge of a nuclear weapon would, no doubt, kill or injure someone not involved in any attack leading up to the supposed self-defense discharge of said weapon.

    I realize this doesn’t exactly answer the question, but the subject needs a bit more explanation and historical perspective. Before the “Civil War” began in 1861, James Buchanan was criticized for not doing anything to prevent the southern States from seceding. Buchanan believed that while no State had a right to secede from the Union, the federal government had no right to prevent the State(s) from doing so. I take a similar approach in regards to nuclear weapons. While I believe that every person and group of persons have a right to own any weapon they believe is necessary to defend themselves, and I do not believe that any nuclear weapon can be used in legitimate self defense, I also do not believe that any person or group has the right to prevent anyone else from creating, building or owning such weapons unless the person or group attempts to use the weapon.

    One final question that I will not answer: since the U.S. is the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon in war; why should that government be responsible for deciding who gets to own such a weapon?

  132. Jill Pyeatt

    Root has said something on the LNC Discuss list again that indicates he may be leaving the party. Does anyone have more knowledge on this???

    PLEASE, please?

  133. Rob Banks

    Press Release

    For Immediate Release
    Thursday, June 28, 2012
    Supreme Court Obamacare Decision Highlights Why a President Romney Would be More Dangerous than President Obama

    A President Mitt Romney would not undo ObamaCare. He’d make it permanent.

    The National Libertarian Party issued the following statement today:

    The Supreme Court Ruling on ObamaCare does not matter. It will make little difference to America in the short run, and no difference in the long run.

    Why? Because almost all elected Republicans and Democrats are Big Government politicians – in all things – including health care. After this Supreme Court decision, they will get back to work expanding government involvement in all things – especially health care.

    One thing could make things worse. Electing Republican Mitt Romney President.

    Why?

    Republicans fiercely oppose, and often defeat Democratic Party attempts to massively expand government involvement in Health Care – such as HillaryCare.

    But Democrats usually vote for Republican Party legislation to massively expand government’s role in Health Care.

    Republican President George Bush’s $1.1 Trillion Government Prescription Drug Program was voted into law by Republicans and Democrats.

    Republican Governor Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts state government expansion into Massachusetts health care – RomneyCare – was voted into law by both Republicans and Democrats. With virtually no resistance.

    A Republican-controlled House of Representatives and US Senate would oppose Democratic President Barack Obama’s health care proposals.

    But a Republican majority House of Representatives and US Senate would support and vote for a Republican President Mitt Romney’s Big Government health care proposals. And most Democrats in the House and Senate would, too.

    What Republican Governor Romney did to Massachusetts’ health care, a Republican President Romney would do to America’s health care.

    A President Mitt Romney would not undo ObamaCare. He’ll make it permanent.

    A first-term President Mitt Romney would be far more dangerous to small business, the private sector, and taxpayers than a lame-duck President Obama – no matter what the Supreme Court decided.

  134. Rob Banks

    lp.org

    Two Marijuana Decrim Measures Signed Into Law This Month
    posted by Staff on Jun 27, 2012

    Today the City of Chicago passed an ordinance to reduce penalties for possession of marijuana. Instead of being arrested or saddled with a criminal record, adults who merely possess 15 grams or less can be fined $250-$500 and may be required to perform up to 10 hours of community service. Additional penalties may apply in certain situations.

    This comes on the heels a marijuana decrim bill passed on June 13 in Rhode Island. Instead of a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail and/or a fine of $200-$500, possession of up to one ounce of marijuana will be penalized with a civil fine of $150 in most cases.

    To date, fifteen states and numerous local jurisdictions nationwide have removed criminal penalties for low-level marijuana possession.

    “It’s heartening that there’s at least one area of Big Government in America – the Marijuana Prohibition – that is shrinking rather than expanding,” said Geoffrey Neale, Chair of the National Libertarian Party. “This will spare thousands of non-violent offenders from having a criminal record, from losing their jobs, and from being swept away from their loved ones to go to jail or prison. It will also reduce crime in the United States and in countries like Mexico which is suffering under a siege of violence resulting from America’s Drug Prohibition.”

    Formed in 1971, the Libertarian Party is the only political party in America that has consistently and unapologetically opposed the War on Marijuana and the War on Drugs.

    Libertarian presidential nominee Governor Gary Johnson, along with Libertarian candidates across the country, call for immediately ending the Marijuana Prohibition.

    “We’re two steps closer to the day when American politicians must end the failed and dangerous Drug Prohibition once and for all – and allow peace, safety, personal freedom and personal responsibility to reign instead,” said Neale.

  135. Darryl W. Perry

    email from Jim Gray:

    Mr. Perry,

    There are certainly many things that you and I can agree on, and one of them is that America deserves to be freed from the two-party system’s death grip.

    It is time for so-called “third parties” to band together to support a viable candidate who won’t play the same worn-out political games once he lands in Washington. It’s time we all get behind a financially responsible and socially tolerant national candidate who will champion job-creating tax reform and cut wasteful federal spending while at the same time advocate for civil liberties and fight against government imposing morality on freedom-loving Americans.

    With his likely presence on the ballot in all 50 states, Gov. Gary Johnson is the candidate who can make a difference this election, and at last shake up the status quo. Aside from Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, Johnson’s is the only name that will be available for selection in voting booths nationwide on November 6.

    We need your help. Remaining in factions only bolsters the two-party system. Let’s team up to shout from the rooftops that voters no longer are left to choose between “the lesser of two evils,” because Gov. Johnson provides another option. If we stick together, it will make a huge difference come November.

    The purpose of this letter is for me to personally ask for your support and your official endorsement of Gary Johnson for President of the United States, and, along the way, put the best people in responsible government positions, regardless of which political party they belong to.

    Please don’t hesitate to call or email me if you have any questions or would like to further discuss Gov. Johnson’s candidacy. Thank you.

    Judge James P. Gray (Ret.)
    Libertarian Nominee for Vice President of the United States
    judgejimgray@garyjohnson2012.com

  136. Thomas L. Knapp

    @219,

    “It’s time we all get behind a financially responsible … national candidate”

    That’s an interesting proposition, but not one that I think a candidate who wound up in court for not paying his bills, and whose excuse was “my welfare check hasn’t arrived yet” really fits into.

  137. Joe Buchman

    @219 — Darryl, does the BTP have a vice-presidential candidate? If not, I’d like to also ask for your endorsement of Jim Gray!

    Joe

  138. Indy

    Gov. Gary Johnson Opposes Supreme Court Ruling On Health Care
    June 28, 2012Posted in Blog, Health Care, News, Supreme Court

    GOV. GARY JOHNSON CALLS SCOTUS HEALTH CARE RULING AN “INCREDIBLE BLOW TO BEDROCK PRINCIPLES”

    June 28 2012, Santa Fe, NM – Libertarian presidential nominee and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson released the following statement in response to the Supreme Court’s health care ruling:

    “It has been clear for a while that we need a new President and a new Congress. Now it appears we need a new Supreme Court.

    “Whether the Court chooses to call the individual mandate a tax or anything else, allowing it to stand is a truly disturbing decision. The idea that government can require an individual to buy something simply because that individual exists and breathes in America is an incredible blow to the bedrock principles of freedom and liberty. It must be repealed, and Congress needs to get about doing so today.

    “There is one thing we know about health care. Government cannot create a system that will reduce costs while increasing access. Only competition and the price transparency that competition will bring can accomplish the imperatives of affordability and availability. Whether it is the President’s plan or the Republican prescription drug benefit, the idea that anyone in Washington can somehow manage one of the most essential and substantial parts of both our quality of life and the economy is, and always has been, fundamentally wrong.

    “We can never know how many Americans are out of work today because of the uncertainty the monstrous health care law has caused. The Court has done nothing to remove that burden.

    “Nothing about today’s decision changes the basic reality that it is impossible to eliminate deficit spending and remove the smothering consequences of federal debt without dramatically reducing the costs of Medicare and Medicaid. And neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have given the slightest hint of willingness to do so.”

  139. Austin Battenberg

    Okay folks, I was just about to post the online town hall of Gary Johnson and Alexander McCobin. For whatever reason it kind of glitches on me, and Johnson doesn’t really come in till about 18 minutes into the broadcast. And sometimes it seems like he is cut out or something. I don’t know. I’m going to wait till tomorrow morning and see if its been fixed. Right now it is on the Gary Johnson website, but the direct link is here:
    http://www.vokle.com/events/68229-town-hall-with-gov-gary-johnson-and-alexander-mccobin

  140. Bubbalicious

    @224-5 Johnson, Schiff, Stein and Alexander all make good points, although I’m not a fan of single prayer either, but Stein and Alexander are completely correct about the downside of the corporate-government tax/subsidy.

    As ad hoc said…Pay huge insurance corporations or their uncle sam, it’s all in the family.

  141. paulie Post author

    Sorry, having a hard time interpreting what @229 means. Tried clicking on your name and it seems to be a non-existing page.

  142. paulie Post author

    For anyone who may have been wondering I just got elected to the LNC Region 7 alternate (TX, AL, MS, LA, OK) by 4-0 – OK was not on the call.

  143. Wes Wagner

    We are still digging through issues like eligibility of write in candidates and stuff like that, but some highlights of the election:

    Ballot question one to adopt the new bylaws passed, 725-26

    Bruce Knight(L) carried the nomination for Secretary of State.

    There is a tie between John Mahler(L) and Mark Karnowski(L) for State Treasurer

    Orrin Grover(L) won the nomination for Attorney General. (some of you might know Orrin from his work fighting top two in Washington on behalf of the LP)

    For Congress:
    District 1: Steven Cody Reynolds (L)
    District 2: H. Joe Tabor (L)
    District 3: Michael Cline (L)
    District 4: Chuck Huntting (L)
    District 5: Current;y being won by Chuck Huntting due to write ins. Chuck originally was on the ballot for District 4, and will probably decline this position, which means someone else will earn this nomination.

    We are still working out residence confirmations, etc on all the write ins and state level districts, but appear to have a majority of state senate and house positions filled with nominees.

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