It’s been a couple months since IPR has posted anything regarding the dispute concerning the leadership of the Libertarian Party of Oregon, but there has been more activity recently. The plaintiffs wish to have it known that they didn’t actually lose, and that the court didn’t actually declare the Wagner group as the proper leadership of the party. They have both written letters to the court. Following is correspondence from both sides.
Oregon Further Correspondence From Defendants
Oregon Plaintiffs’ Further Correspondence
This is a very long dispute that originated in March 2011. In May 2013, a judge dismissed the lawsuit, and IPR covered it here .
It was around before December 1971?
Ken,
The Libertarian Party of Oregon actually pre-dates the National LP. We don’t feel a need to be subservient to the national party–we are agents of the registered Libertarians of Oregon.
I love it, Ken!
We wrote into LPKY party Constitution, in Article I Section 2, “The name of the Party serving as the official state affiliate of the National Libertarian Party shall be “The Libertarian Party of Kentucky”, hereinafter referred to as the “State Party”.” This wording explicitly outlines that LPKY is the official affiliate of LP National, and exists to serve in that capacity. Therefore, if such a problem existed in Kentucky, the responsibility would fall to LP National to resolve the dispute. And if LP National went off the rails and ran us all out, we’d just go start another party or whatever. Stop arguing with each other. Actually fight the system.
George, I wonder if the Reeves group wants something on record that they didn’t lose so that the Wagner group can’t sue for fees in the future, but maybe they just can’t believe they really lost. It is humorous to me, or maybe pathetic is a better word.
Paulie, yes, that seems to be the issue. URLs no longer embed, and embeds don’t show in dashboard. Go figure
Welcome back!!
Ah, I see, videos can be seen in the page itself but not in dashboard,.
I gather that this is the two sides disputing what the judge who tried the case should write in his final decision.
This is the first time I’m seeing the new format. Do links no longer translate automatically from URL to hyperlink as they did before?
I was offline from July completely until now. I did let several people know to convey that I was unavailable via internet/email/facebook and to call me on my phone instead, but I guess the message did not get conveyed. I have a lot to catch up on on the internet so phone remains a better way to reach me.
joe buchman??
Sounds fun, Joe! I’ll see what I can figure out!
Thanks Jill,
I’ll be in LA, BTW, most of next week. Any chance you (or anyone else on IPR) can join Cindy, Anna and I in Santa Monica Friday night at 8pm for El Grande De Coca Cola — the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. It’s been extended through October . . . http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/23/entertainment/la-et-cm-el-grande-de-coca-cola-20130722
Paulie’s not here, today, Joe, but I fixed it. Nice to see you back here.
Paulie — if you’re still here, please embed that for me. Not sure how to do that with the new format.
This has the elements of a classic Opera. Reeves et al are singing the: “Oh, God! I am dying” aria. This means the Opera is about to end, but it will take at least 20 more minutes of caterwauering.
If you notice by the transcript, the Judge actually told them point blank “You Lost. They Won.” … but they still can’t grasp it.
The Reeves attorney appears to be repeating his claims at the last hearing, whose audio is on the internet. The judge appeared to reject, quite emphatically, the interpretation. I believe Nick’s analysis is quite obviously correct.
I write Science Fiction novels, Mistress of the Waves being capitalist-development in fair part and suited for young people, but I am a firm advocate of the notion that you can only take suspension of disbelief so far.
I don’t do much civil work, and no work in Oregon, but the idea that a party who wins a motion for summary judgment instead of having the claims proceed to a trial on the merits is somehow not the “prevailing party” is laughable. It’s like saying a team that wins by forfeit isn’t the “winner” because they didn’t play the game.
Again, I do wonder what the Reeves folk are envisioning. Do they think that they will somehow be declared the rightful leaders, that Wagner et al will step aside, they’ll step in, and the members of the Oregon LP will willingly embrace them? I do have a well-developed imagination, but even I have trouble imagining this as a possibility…
It is symbolic of their struggle against reality.
IOW, the Reeves and the Burkas still are in denial…