Green Party says S.C. killings show persistence of racism in U.S.

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The Green Party of the United States expressed condolences for members of Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina Friday, and said the killing of nine people at the church Wednesday evening was an indicator of the persistence of racism in the U.S.

In a statement, Green Party leaders said “abuses in the criminal justice system, including record-high incarceration rates, have escalated to the point of national crisis,” and said governmental and law enforcement responses “to the ongoing justice-system violations of the basic human and legal rights of People of Color have been superficial, inadequate, or nonexistent.”

Green Party Black Caucus Co-Chair Thomas Muhammad said, “The Green Party calls mass incarceration, excessive police and prosecutorial power, and extreme racial disparities in arrests, prosecution, and conviction a national emergency that requires emergency measures. Minimal efforts by Democrats and Republicans to address this crisis, along with their role in supporting the war on drugs and passage of draconian laws, have placed both parties on the wrong side of this crisis.”

The Green Party said it selected St. Louis as the site of its July 23-26 annual meeting “in part because the region has been a focal point for complaints about the criminal justice system.”

34 thoughts on “Green Party says S.C. killings show persistence of racism in U.S.

  1. Davet41@comcast.net

    “The Green Party of the United States –, said the killing of nine people at the church Wednesday evening was an indicator of the persistence of racism in the U.S.”

    A true, but irrelevant fact! The killing of nine “un-armed” parishioners by an lunatic with a semi-automatic is a prime indicator of the persistence of the fallacy of GUN-FREE-ZONES.

    Like so many other attacks, the massacre took place at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C., because it was place where the citizens were denied the right to have a gun in their possession. THIS “gun-free-zone” like so many in recent memory, DID NOT
    STOP the the killer from bringing a gun into the church.

    Further, the circumstantial evidence is strong that these killers don’t attack randomly; they keep picking the few gun-free zones to do virtually all their attacks. For some unfathomable reason, people who would never put up a “gun-free zone” sign in front of their own homes, put up such signs for other sensitive areas that they claim to want to protect.

    Again and again, we see that these killers tell us they pick SOFT targets. With just two exceptions, from at least 1950, all the mass public shootings have occurred in these gun-free zones.

    And even when concealed handgun permit holders don’t deter the killers, the permit holders stop them. Just a couple of weeks ago, a mass public shooting at a liquor store in Conyers, Ga., was stopped by a concealed handgun permit holder. A couple of people had already been killed by the time the permit holder arrived, but according to Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett:

    “I believe that if Mr. Scott did not return fire at the suspect, more of those
    customers would have [been] hit by a gun. It didn’t appear that (the shooter) cared who
    he shot or where he was shooting until someone was shooting back at him. So, in my
    opinion, he saved other lives in that store.”

    Churches, like the one in Charleston, preach peace, but the killer obviously chose that target because he knew the victims were defenseless.

    Of course, I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I would MUCH rather offend the sensibilities of honestly, misled and mistaken “anti-gunners” than live to regret that I could have saved the lives of friends, family, and other innocent victims by exercising my Second Amendment rights.

    Dave Terry, Oath Keeper
    and Libertarian patriot .

  2. Bondurant

    I don’t deny racism exists but I think the fear mongering is the liberal equivalent to conservative paranoia regarding Islam.

    My Facebook feed has been chock full of self-righteous “everyone is racist…except for me” bullshit the past few days.

  3. ATBAFT

    Didn’t the killer decry the paucity of other racists, so took the matter into his own hands? But
    overt and covert racism will always exist where collectivism is in vogue, as it is in much of the deliberations and legislation of the two big parties.

  4. Stewart Flood

    He chose that target because it was the oldest African American church in the country. It was the original AME church, and was started by slaves prior to the Civil War. It was burned down, and religious services were outlawed in Charleston unless the slaves were being watched. It was rebuilt after the war, and is considered one of the most historically significant sites in the country related to the resistance against slavery. A lot of people don’t understand that most slaves weren’t shackled and kept in cages. Many moved freely about, doing their “master’s bidding”. How could they have escaped? Their skin color prevented them from running without being caught.

    Charleston has a sick and twisted history. The “slave market” is a tourist attraction, as is the Provost Dungeon, where they frequently hung runaway slaves, pirates and other “criminals.”

    This killer is a sick and twisted person. His parents, knowing he was sick and twisted, and knowing he wanted a gun, gave him money for a gun on his 21st birthday. They should be tried as co-conspirators and accessories before the fact to multiple murders.

    Does gun control solve this? No. Neither do “gun free zones” or other measures the elected morons want to impose.

  5. Jill Pyeatt

    I read a couple accounts by acquaintances that the shooter had been talking about doing something like this for six months. As a Libertarian, I’m not sure what could have been done about that, but surely there was some way the word should have gone out that he was dangerous. I’ve been thinking about this the past couple days. What would some Libertarian solutions be?

  6. langa

    This killer is a sick and twisted person. His parents, knowing he was sick and twisted, and knowing he wanted a gun, gave him money for a gun on his 21st birthday. They should be tried as co-conspirators and accessories before the fact to multiple murders.

    Unless they did something more than you describe here, I strongly disagree that they should be charged. Bringing criminal charges against someone, merely because of some tangential connection with an actual crime, sets a very dangerous precedent, and is based on the same logic that is used to justify numerous draconian laws and other authoritarian policies.

  7. langa

    I read a couple accounts by acquaintances that the shooter had been talking about doing something like this for six months. As a Libertarian, I’m not sure what could have been done about that, but surely there was some way the word should have gone out that he was dangerous. I’ve been thinking about this the past couple days. What would some Libertarian solutions be?

    Well, there are no easy libertarian solutions. Then again, there are no easy non-libertarian solutions, either. The only thing that could really be done is to try to warn the potential victims.

    Of course, if there is no specified target, it becomes a lot harder. In that case, the best idea would probably be to just try to alert as many people as possible, and then hope for the best.

    As a last resort, if you are truly sure the person is serious, you could always resort to tailing them, or hiring a private detective to tail them, although that could get expensive very quickly.

  8. Andy

    There is no real solution to random killers beyond people carrying guns for self defense, but even then, if a person is motivated to kill, they can find a way to kill and there is not much anyone can do about it. If others are carrying guns wherever the killer or would be killer is striking, hopefully they can take the killer or would be killer out before they do any or much carnage.

  9. Stewart Flood

    This is a very local issue for me. The church in question is about 4 miles from where I’m sitting right now. I know people who died. I know people who know people in Lexington, who say that the guy is creepy and they were always relieved when he left their business.

    He was known to be crazy. His parents had to have known. There are multiple sources now saying he was talking about doing something for quite a while — possibly more than a half year.

    His parents knew all this. They gave him money for the gun, knowing he was talking about killing people.

    A Libertarian solution? I agree that there isn’t a good one, but it is clear that he intended harm, his parents knew, and they helped him acquire the gun by giving him the money. He told them he wanted a gun.

    Not much more evidence needed in my book. I’d vote to convict them of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder. Multiple counts, so the death penalty (the next morning, not twenty years from now!) for all three of them.

    And that d**m flag NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN!!!

    Ok, there’s another topic for you. That flag is the root symbol of racism in Charleston. It should never have been put at that monument, and I argued against it with several legislators. Aside from the fact that literally tens of millions of tax dollars were spent on the two year debate on it and building it, it is just plain wrong.

    The church is about six blocks from the worst crime area in the city, but it is in a safe area. It has always been “protected” and aside from being burned down a few times, has seen little violence — at least in the past 50 years.

  10. langa

    …it is clear that he intended harm, his parents knew, and they helped him acquire the gun by giving him the money. He told them he wanted a gun.

    Unless he said something like, “Man, I’d like to kill a bunch of those damn niggers, but I just can’t afford a gun”, then no, I don’t think they should be held responsible. So they gave him money. So what? Almost all parents give their children money. Does that make them responsible for every bad thing those kids may do with that money? Let’s say his grandparents bought him the car he used to drive to the church. Should they also be charged as accessories?

    People should only be held responsible for crimes they were directly involved in. The alternative view is the same one that says that if you sell a gun to someone without a background check, and they use it to kill someone, you should be considered a murderer. Or that if a drunk driver kills someone, the bartender who “overserved” him is responsible.

    As for the flag issue, I have no use for any government flag, period. Anyone who ever catches me saluting any government flag has my permission to put a bullet in my head.

  11. Stewart Flood

    It was pretty close to that. He talked about wanting to kill black people and wanting to start a race war, which he probably believe would end up wiping out the entire black population — at least in the US. He chose Charleston because it is the highest density black population in the state. I believe we’re somewhere between 30-40%. He said he thought he’d start a race riot. He said it before the act, and he said it to one of the people he let live so that they could tell others what he had intended. This was a planned act.

    The money was specifically given by his parents to buy a gun. They admitted that the first day to the press.

    So you’re saying that if someone tells you that they’d like to kill someone and they want a gun, and you then give them money to buy the gun, you’re not responsible at all? I can’t agree with that.

  12. langa

    So you’re saying that if someone tells you that they’d like to kill someone and they want a gun, and you then give them money to buy the gun, you’re not responsible at all?

    Where did I say that? In fact, if you read my comments, you’ll see I said basically the opposite of that. Your initial comment was that his parents gave him money to buy a gun even though they knew he was “sick and twisted” — you made no mention of him telling them he planned to kill anybody. Rather, you seemed to be saying that if you give someone money, then you are responsible for whatever they choose to do with that money. I said that standard sets a terrible precedent, and I stick by that.

    Obviously, if you can prove that they intentionally facilitated murder, then sure, they should be charged. But I really doubt that can be proved, or else they would have already been arrested.

  13. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Stewart Flood: Charleston has a sick and twisted history. The “slave market” is a tourist attraction, as is the Provost Dungeon, where they frequently hung runaway slaves, pirates and other “criminals.”

    Is it bad for the slave market or Provost Dungeon to be tourist attractions? The term “tourist attraction” might sound cheap, but Auschwitz is similarly a “tourist attraction.” They are historical sites, open to the public for educational purposes.

    I’m guessing the slave market and Auschwitz (neither of which I’ve seen) do not have the usual touristy kitsch for sale. No mugs, bumper stickers, t-shirts, or plush toys.

    (My friend visited Alcatraz prison in San Francisco, and brought back a prisoner plush toy. A grinning prisoner in striped uniform, with a cute little ball-and-chain attached to his leg. That was pretty sick.)

  14. Andy

    I went on the Alcatraz tour one of the times I was in San Francisco. It was pretty cool and I highly recommend it to those who have not been there.

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  16. Andy

    I’ve done a lot of research into the Batman shooting and the Sandy Hook shooting, and I think there’s a mountain of evidence that both of these incidents were government sponsored false flags.

    I don’t know if the Charleston church shooting was a false flag or not (not enough information at this time), but one has got to wonder. It sure sounds like it could have come out of the CIA/FBI/DHS/BATFE, etc, government false flag playbook. “Lone nut” on with a goofy haircut on psych drugs, stereotypical racist “manifesto” and symbolism (in spite of the fact that he was reported to have black friends), immediate calls for new gun control laws in the media and from politicians.

    I would not be a bit surprised if there were people in government who were staging events like this to happen every few months in different parts of the country to build support for new gun control laws. Think “they” wouldn’t do this? Think again. Look at Operation Fast and Furious. The BATFE got caught running gun to Mexican drug cartels, and then used the violence caused by these cartels to call for new gun laws.

    There are people in government who see the right to keep and bear arms as a major impediment to implementing their tyrannical agenda, and their goal is to strip away what is left of this right from the American people. I would not put anything past them.

  17. Andy

    I posted the above comment on another thread here a day or two ago. Since then I’ve looked a little deeper into the Charleston church shooting and it is starting to look like my suspicion was correct. “Coincidentally,” the FBI and local law enforcement were in the middle of a 5 day active shooter drill when this incident occurred, and I put the word coincidentally in parenthesis because I seriously doubt that this was a coincidence.

    Governments frequently use drills as cover for false flag attacks. This was done on 9/11 as the Pentagon just happened to be running a drill that day about planes being hijacked and crashed into buildings. Drills were also being held at the same time as the 7/7 bombing happened in London, the Sandy Hook shooting, and the Boston bombing.

    So the government just happens to be running an active shooter drill in Charleston, SC and by golly, a real active shooter mysteriously pops up and starts blowing people away inside a church. What are the chances of this happening?

    Oh, and the politicians and media talking heads conveniently slip into their, “We need more gun control laws.” mantra, as if passing a law magically makes things go away. Hey, how about pass a law that makes it illegal to commit murder? Oh, that’s rights, murder is already against the law.

    Then, to add further fuel to the fire the deranged loony tune who is alleged to have carried out the act (if he did carry out, he was probably assisted and egged on by his FBI handlers) just also happens to be a white racist, and the victims were black, and this furthers the stereotype that anyone who is for gun rights is a white racist.

    I watched a bunch of the news stories about this and it looked like they were following a script. During one segment they interviewed some black people in England, and they made comments about how the USA needs to pass new gun laws to prevent racist whites from blowing black people away (as if this is an every day occurrence in the USA, which it is not).

    Here’s the bottom line: The fact that there are still millions of gun owners in the country who own millions of guns is a major impediment to the control freaks in government from ratcheting up the level of tyranny in this country. There are people in government and various special interest groups connected with government who will do anything that leads to disarming the American people. Over the last several years the government has been stocking piling an obscene amount of guns, ammunition (including hollow points which are designed to kill), armored assault vehicles, etc… They are building prison camps all of the USA. Multiple government agencies are routinely spying on Americans, in clear violation of the 4th amendment. More and more tyrannical legislation is being passed, like the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, etc… They are doing all of this for a reason, and it is not good for anyone who even somewhat values personal freedom.

    So would the control freaks in government really stage mass shootings like the Batman shooting in Aurora, Colorado, or the Sandy Hook shooting in Connecticut, or the Joker shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada, or the cop shootings in Las Vegas, Nevada, or this Church shooting in Charleston, South Carolina?

    You bet your ass they would.

    https://www.intellihub.com/false-flag-charleston-shooting-happened-during-federal-active-shooter-drill/

  18. Andy

    I found this video from Art Olivier, former Libertarian Party candidate for Vice President in 2000, for Governor of California in 2006.

    Given that Art Olivier is a former Libertarian Party candidate for high offices, I think that this video deserves its own article here at IPR.

    Absolute Proof Charleston Shooting Was Staged

  19. Jill Pyeatt

    “So the government just happens to be running an active shooter drill in Charleston, SC and by golly, a real active shooter mysteriously pops up and starts blowing people away inside a church. What are the chances of this happening?”

    LOL. The manifesto is the main clue to me that the shooting was faked. Young people his age don’t write diatribes like that. Their communication is shorter and more suited to texts and other types of social media. Seriously, it’s time for some new scripts if people aren’t going to question this.

    I don’t know if the shooting really happened the way we’re told it was. I’m not convinced, though.

  20. Andy

    Jill, I don’t know if the shooting was “faked” per say, as in real people could have been shot and killed, and assuming that the victims are real, I send my deepest condolences to their families and friends.

    I just think that the evidence points toward rogue elements within government setting the attack up. FBI handlers likely recruited a troubled young man who was on psychiatric drugs, and put him up to it. The feds could have posed as white racists or something like that.

    Did Dylan Root carry out the shooting by himself, or did they have other shooters? I don’t know.

    I do know that the official government story looks very suspicious.

  21. Jill Pyeatt

    I agree with your above comment, Andy. The article William linked to might possibly suggest a motive for those rogue elements in our government to do such a thing.

  22. Andy

    Just to be clear, I have serious doubts that anyone died at Sandy Hook. The Charleston church shooting. I am not so sure at this time, so I will just go with the assumption that there were real victims.

    I do know that some large pay offs to the alleged victims families have already been paid out, much like Sandy Hook, but this does not automatically mean the victims were fake.

    The government is certainly not above killing people to further its agenda.

  23. Stewart Flood

    “I’m guessing the slave market and Auschwitz (neither of which I’ve seen) do not have the usual touristy kitsch for sale. No mugs, bumper stickers, t-shirts, or plush toys.”

    Yes, they have mugs, bumper stickers and t-shirts. I’m not sure about the plush toys. The slave market is full of confederate memorabilia — all for sale.

    But to those above saying this shooting was faked or that he was working for the government, get an F’ng life! The government fakes a lot of things, but this shooting was real.

    He had an automatic. Reloading an automatic requires dropping the clip and inserting a loaded clip. That can take 2-5 seconds, depending on how fast you are. Not everyone in the building was killed. There is a witness, and I see no reason not to believe what she has said about the event. They aren’t talking about the witness who was left alive. She’s probably afraid that some other white supremacist will kill her to finish the job.

    Nine people died at the hands of a sick, white supremacist. Right now I’m sitting less than a mile from where the funeral will be held this morning. I’ve talked to people who know the witnesses and have talked to them. This was not faked. He did not have a vest on. The comments about the shadows are complete BS. I know Charleston, and I can tell you that the church does not face the exact direction they claim to make their story fit. The shadows are correct.

    This murderer was known to be “creepy”, as reported by people who knew him in Lexington. Who cares if he wrote what he posted on that site. He could have easily copied from someone else or even had a “friend” write it. If he wasn’t acting alone, his accomplices in planning it were most likely other white supremacists. But there isn’t any evidence that he had help — other than his parents who funded the murders.

  24. Andy

    Stewart, you should re-read the above posts. I said that the shooting was likely real (as in real people died), but that it has the signs of having been a false flag. Why was the FBI in Charleston running an active shooter drill at the same time that this incident happened? Does this not strike you as a strange coincidence?

    Like I said above, the Pentagon just happened to be running a drill about hijacked airplanes crashing into buildings on 9/11, the British government was running a drill about a bombing on 7/7, an active shooter drill was being held in the Sandy Hook area the day of that shooting incident, and a bombing drill was being held in Boston the day of the Boston bombing, and these are just a few examples.

    So, are these all just coincidences, or is something more sinister going on here?

  25. Andy

    FYI, the feds have infiltrated white racist groups for years. Also, it is a known fact that the feds recruit people with mental problems that they use as patsies. It is an admitted fact that the feds gave the bomb to the Muslim “terrorists” who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993.

    It is also a known facts that the feds monitor and troll message boards online, and that they are tied in with the psychiatric industry.

  26. Andy

    It should also be pointed out that there are government agents, local, state, and federal, who are racist. Back in 1996 the BATF got caught holding a racist rally called The Good Ole Boy Round Up. It was an annual event that started in 1980. The event got shut down when somebody leaked pictures from the event to the media. Look it up.

  27. paulie

    I have serious doubts that anyone died at Sandy Hook.

    I’ve talked to people who knew some of the people who died there.

  28. Andy

    I was attacked on a message board for questioning Sandy Hook, and one of the attackers claimed that there were family members of Sandy Hook victims on the board, and that I was offending them. I asked who these people were on the board and nobody stepped forward. I also asked for a list of the supposed family members of supposed Sandy Hook victims who supposedly posted at this message board from this person who attacked me, and the attacker never responded.

    “I’ve talked to people who knew people” does not sound like solid information at all to me.

    Sandy Hook was shady as hell. Whether or not there were any real victims does not change the fact that the official Sandy Hook story is not plausible.

    I’m still skeptical that there were even real victims at Sandy Hook.

  29. paulie

    I have multiple sources that knew people who died there including LP members. I have no reason to believe they are all lying to me. It’s a whole town wher a lot of people knew each other, there were funerals, etc. Hundreds of people knew each of the victims. What do you think happened to those people if they didn’t get killed that day? Are they being kept hidden somewhere? You can plausibly argue that there were additional shooters and some sort of cover-up. Claiming no one died, though, is looney tunes and just makes the rest of your arguments seem less credible.

  30. Stewart Flood

    Andy,

    I agree that you said it was “likely”, but that still feels a bit insulting, since I knew people who died. They really died.

    Yes, the government was here, but they are here all the time running drills. We see their black helicopters on a regular enough basis that we sometimes don’t even notice them. One of their “UN” bases is just south of Charleston, and they bring them in at night when people won’t notice as much.

    I’ve personally seen at least a half dozen of them (one time two at once) over the past few years. Of course we also see F-15s (I think that’s it), C-17s, and C-141s (I think that’s what they are) flying overhead many times a day.

    They have run tank invasion drills in downtown Charleston to see how they would have to respond to civil unrest. They don’t even hide it. So the fact that the FBI was in town running a drill and vacationing in the evenings doesn’t really indicate to me any necessary connection with the shooting.

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