Live stream for Fox Business Libertarian town hall

The Libertarian town hall broadcasting on Fox Business Network and hosted by John Stossel has just started. Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are both on, live stream below:

41 thoughts on “Live stream for Fox Business Libertarian town hall

  1. Matt Cholko

    “I’ve advocated legalizing *only* marijuana! ” – GJ

    GJ re-stated his intent to force business owners to sell to people they don’t want to.

    Weld doubled down on bad justice appointments.

    On the plus side, I think their delivery/presentation continues to improve. Unfortunately, they’re delivering an often poor message.

  2. Thomas L. Knapp

    Anyone else having problems with the stream? It acts net congestion/lag, but when I stop it and try other similarly bandwidth intensive stuff, it works fine.

  3. Matt Cholko

    I’m watching on TV. But, I watched the stream for about 2-3 minutes and had no problems (its about 30 seconds behind the TV broadcast, fyi).

  4. Thomas L. Knapp

    Krzysztof,

    Oh, I’m not blaming YOU for the quality of the stream (if indeed it had quality problems — it might just have been on my end). In fact, I wouldn’t have known the event was last night if you hadn’t posted a livestream thread. I had seen something about Stossel doing a forum with them, but hadn’t noticed the date.

    I never could get the stream to work well, so I missed that apparently (at least he was quoted to the effect on Facebook) Weld said “it will be a cold day in hell before I cut US aid to Israel.” That was probably a bad line from the standpoint of seeking votes, given that the major parties are both wholly owned subsidiaries of Likud.

  5. Be Rational

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLAh3pui-CI

    This ad is great. This is the one that the Super PACs should get behind. It’s 5 minutes plus, but it can be cut a bit to run in 5 minutes.

    It would be worth the cost of buying 5 minute time spots to run this one …

    … YES … on major network broadcast TV in targeted states.

    You don’t need as many repetitions with an ad like this one. After it has run on network TV, people will hear about it and look for it both on TV and on the Internet.

  6. dL

    “This ad is great. ..”

    Unfortunately, the Clinton campaign would only have to run Johnson’s “she is a wonderful public servant” clip to totally neutralize it.

  7. Be Rational

    Yes, dl, Johnson is not good at answering spontaneous questions.

    … another reason why we’d have a much better campaign going with major network broadcast TV ads in targeted states, professionally produced and edited, instead of relying on Johnson to represent us in Town Halls.

  8. Be Rational

    In this Town Hall, for example, Johns Stossel threw Gary a softball about forcing a Muslim to sell pork to Christians. Johnson missed the easy answer that the Muslim shouldn’t be forced to sell pork at all. He went off on his defense of his stance in general and missed the ball.

  9. wolfefan

    I haven’t watched the stream yet, but the pork question is really stupid. No one has suggested that auto mechanics need to sell wedding cakes to gay couples. Even under the current law in most states, if you carry pork you have to sell it to all comers. If you don’t carry pork, then you don’t have to sell it to anyone.

  10. Be Rational

    “Gary Johnson spending $1M on ad push”
    The Hill 5 hours ago
    *
    Just announcing that you’re going to spend money on advertising – even this small bit coming very late out of what could have been spent, starting much earlier, wins free media coverage. Unfortunately, spending it foolishly as planned by the campaign limits the impact, both in coverage of the spending (the media can see it’s very little, very late) and the effectiveness and resluts of the spending.

    **********
    “We;re going to be out there spending a lot of money between now and 30 days from now.” – Bill Weld
    *
    So, Nielson has mislead Weld and Johnson about what he’s doing. Too bad, because Weld has good instincts about effective campaing spending. The campaign manaagement should have spent everything up front on the TV ad plan I’ve layed out, paying themselves later at honest rates.
    *******

    … but, as John Stossel asks in disbelief: “Thirty days is enough?”
    *
    No, sadly. It’s too little too late. Unless they pull out all the stops with targeted ads or some Super PAC(s) save the day for their incompetent campaign management team with good broadcast TV spots well targeted in key states, or a sudden influx of $30 million to run nationwide.

    Of course, there is the hope of some on TV that is so amazing that it goes viral on the net with network evening news coverage and talk show discussion: Abe Lincoln reworked a bit maybe?
    **********

    “On the day that it’s announced that we’re gonna be in the debates … on that day, we will have saturation media coverage for the entire balance of the election season. That’d be worth a billion dollars.” – Bill Weld
    *
    Exactly.

    Advertise early, on major network broadcast TV in targeted states and earn the free media you need to carry you through the election.
    ********

    “I see it in fundraising. It’s picked up geometrically … ” – Bill Weld
    *
    And it will continue to expand geometrically if you advertise early, on targeted, major network broadcast TV and get the earned media you need to keep the momentum going.

    If you miss the debates, not so likely.

    *****

    One good thing Johnson has been doing is more public campaign events in targeted states.

    These would have been much more effective had broadcast TV advertising preceeded them:
    * drawing greater name recognition and interest that will draw bigger crowds;
    * resulting in more media coverage before the event – meaning even bigger crowds;
    * generating more media coverage of the event – meaning more interest and name recognition;
    * all adding up to much higher polling numbers – past 15% to 20% +;
    * resulting in more follow up media coverage;
    * all resulting in even greater geometrically increasing fundraising;

    … and the cycle can continue ever faster and higher …

    If you actually know how to run a political campaign, build a party and win national elections.

    *******

    Maybe a super PAC or Abe Lincoln will save the day.

    Libertarian purists have a lot to object to, but with America at risk of having either Clinton or Trump in the White House, America really needs Gary Johnson to win.

  11. George Phillies

    “On the day that it’s announced that we’re gonna be in the debates … on that day, we will have saturation media coverage for the entire balance of the election season. That’d be worth a billion dollars.” – Bill Weld”

    Isn’t it inconvenient to use ads being broadcast in 2020 or 2032 to advance a 2016 campaign?

    Also, there is some assumption being made as to how the debates will turn out.

  12. George Phillies

    The ads in question, which are actually only $800,000, are RADIO ads.

    The states are Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin,

    The original report is from Politico, which reports there will also be digital billboards.

  13. robert capozzi

    br: Libertarian purists have a lot to object to

    me: Understated, in my estimation. “Have almost nothing that they do not object to” seems closer to the truth. 😉

  14. natural born citizen

    Ed Crane’s PurplePAC is also doing a new $1 million cable-tv ad buy now for Johnson/Weld.

  15. T Rex

    “Libertarian purists have a lot to object to, but with America at risk of having either Clinton or Trump in the White House, America really needs Gary Johnson to win.”

    Despite my many criticisms of the J-W campaign, and my sincere consideration of Darrell Castle, I will grudgingly vote for Johnson. Castle is a good candidate in many respects, but I don’t want a vote for the CP to be misconstrued as a vote for Dixiecrat-ism.

    I do wish Weld was not his running mate, and I have noticed that Johnson is a lot more libertarian when he is doing interviews without Weld. In a recent interview with Alan Colmes–one where Weld was not present–Johnson said he would pardon all non-violent drug offenders.

    Letting people out of cages *is* the libertarian stance, and he won me over with that remark, despite his campaign’s flaws.

  16. dL

    “me: Understated, in my estimation. “Have almost nothing that they do not object to” seems closer to the truth.”

    (1) They are not dixiecrats. I will give them that.
    (2) Their fundraising efforts.

    Thankfully, they didn’t raise any money and will become irrelevant by the end of September.

  17. langa

    I do wish Weld was not his running mate, and I have noticed that Johnson is a lot more libertarian when he is doing interviews without Weld.

    That’s true, but the main reason we’re stuck with Weld is because Johnson whined and pouted like a 6-year-old, and basically threatened to hold his breath until he turned blue in the face if the delegates picked anyone but Weld.

  18. It's Over

    The Stossel appearance won’t help much. Preaching to the choir — and to a limited television audience, at that — is unlikely to lift Johnson’s sagging poll numbers.

    The Real Clear Politics polling average as of yesterday showed Johnson dropping to 8.1 percent nationally and three of the last four national polls show the Johnson-Weld ticket running below that relatively anemic figure, with Reuters placing their support at 7 percent nationally, The Economist/YouGuv survey pegging their support at a dismal 6 percent, and the latest poll — the Gravis Poll conducted by Breitbart — has the Libertarian ticket garnering a somewhat pathetic 4 percent nationally.

    That’s lower than where Ralph Nader was polling at this stage of the presidential election in 2000.

    Relying almost entirely on free mainstream media coverage, which has noticeably dried up significantly over the past several weeks, without a real campaign to build grassroots excitement, is a recipe for disaster for any third party candidate.

    You can forget about the debates. Feeding the consultants was apparently more important than running a real campaign or investing, even modestly, in television advertising. As somebody else noted on another thread, $800,000 in targeted radio ads simply isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever.

    You can pretty much put a fork in this campaign.

  19. Jim

    It’s Over “The Real Clear Politics polling average as of yesterday showed Johnson dropping to 8.1 percent nationally…”

    True, on August 27th, Johnson had dropped to 8.1%. On August 25th he was tied at his all time high of 8.9%.

    Certain polling companies, including The Economist/Yougov and Ipsos/Reuters, always put Johnson below his average with other polling companies. And when a group of those below average pollsters come out together, his polling average takes a dip. But those polls don’t count towards getting in the debates. So go cry about falling skies somewhere off the internet, where this stuff can’t be checked with two clicks. Literally two days before he was at his all time high and it only went down 0.8%.

    It’s Over “That’s lower than where Ralph Nader was polling at this stage of the presidential election in 2000.”

    Source for that claim? Because I just checked Gallup’s historical polling and it says Nader peaked at 6% in late June and every single poll from late July to the election Nader was between 2% and 4%.

    It’s Over “As somebody else noted on another thread, $800,000 in targeted radio ads simply isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever.”

    $800,000 in radio ads + $200,000 in digital billboards concentrated in 7 states (note that this is only what the campaign has announced through September 5th) + $1,00,000 on CNN and FOX through September 4th (Purple PAC) + $330,000 on Facebook and more on youtube ads (note that Alternative PACs Facebook video already has 3.5 million views in 3 days), + whatever Americans Deserve Better PAC is spending now that their $65,000 Maine TV and radio ad buy has ended two days ago…

  20. robert capozzi

    Myopic. Perturbations in small numbers tell us almost nothing, especially when a Breitbart poll pulls the number down, for obvious reasons. RealClear is not the standard the CPD uses, anyway, IIRC.

    The CPD has an alternative plan for a 3-way debate.

    Yes, chances of getting in the debates are not fantastic. But SuperPAC money is starting to build. The messaging is getting better and crisper.

  21. George Phillies

    “As somebody else noted on another thread, $800,000 in targeted radio ads simply isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever.”

    I was the only one to mention the $800,000 for radio, and I did not say it “simply isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever.” I expressed no opinion.

  22. George Phillies

    Another three weeks, and we will see how the August spending went. Raising more money only matters if you spend it effectively.

  23. George Phillies

    WHile NBC/SM has been at 11 for some time, that is NBC Survey monkey which at last report is not the one that counts. The notion that there are massive survey biases appears to be whistling in the dark.

  24. Bondurant

    @ langa

    Johnson did the same thing in Vegas in support of WAR and Gray. It’s part of his routine.

  25. Andy

    “Bondurant
    August 28, 2016 at 09:40
    @ langa

    Johnson did the same thing in Vegas in support of WAR and Gray. It’s part of his routine.”

    Notice how he only does it for Republican Lite/Establishmentarian candidates.

  26. George Phillies

    Also, even if you believe that the Commission for Highly Partisan Debates uses polls that bias pro-johnson, those polls are currently not anywhere near 15%. And while some polls do tilt one way or another, their tilt tends to be quite constant. As a result, the Huffpost and RCP poll aggregators will reflect the trend in those other polls, some of which are not polling very often.

    And that trend is flat, flat, flat.

  27. Robert Capozzi

    Flat is true. Whether other indicators that are trending up (page views) convert into a poll-result bump remains to be seen.

  28. Be Rational

    Two new GJ ads:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dEHiqoI6HY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ03Eh5Fjbc

    If only they would run them on major network broadcast TV in target states – bracketing the news shows: early, morning, noon, evening and late – where people could actually see them.

    I believe that you can win – but you have to advertise where people can see your spots.

    … and you’re correct that if you’re not in the debates, you can’t win. But you’re directing your own failure. The opportunity is there, if you advertise on TV where people can see the ads.

  29. Joseph Buchman

    I have seen one of the digital billboards here in Utah — for about 2 seconds before it flashed over to another advertiser. On the I-15, south of SLC. I believe it said: “Johnson: The SANE Candidate for President.” I’ve got a camera in the car and will (pull over) and try to get a shot of one of them the next time i’m headed up to SLC.

  30. Shivany Lane

    Be Rational

    At least these two ads have Libertarian icons in them.

    I have a question though. And this really is not meant as being negative or anything. Gary Johnson is the Presidential Candidate right? So is Bill Weld playing his straight man? I almost expect to hear a laugh track when he sticks his face in to say something. It is just an odd way campaign.

    I know I am not the target audience so Millennials, does this style of ad appeal to you?

  31. Just Some Random Guy

    While I am not in agreement with Be Rational’s obsession with television ads, I do agree that ads should have been placed previously. It is possible a month ago he lacked the funds but he seems to have gotten a lot in August (even before the “money bomb”) and that money could have gone to ads before now. Also, I also question the effectiveness of billboard ads. Billboard ads are fine if you just need to make a quick impression, but a candidate must present at least some kind of argument beyond that impression, which a billboard ad is ill-equipped to do as they tend not to be seen for very long (Internet banner ads at least tend to be visible for longer to a viewer). That $200,000 or so that was spent on it would have been better spent on TV, Internet, or even radio ads, which all offer that opportunity. Heck, spending that kind of money to pay people to go around and put up door hangers on houses would probably be better. But at least there are ad spaces being bought, which is better than we were a month ago.

    The SuperPACs seem to be doing some advertising, though. Honestly, if anyone wants to donate money to get him elected they would be better off donating to something like Purple PAC or Americans Deserve Better. That money would go directly to advertising and outreach without getting diluted in campaign fees like consulting.

  32. George Phillies

    RC: It would also be of some interest to learn the cut-off date for the polls. At least two of them have not polled in a long time. The CPD may well have told the five polling organizations, privately, the cutoff for their polls to be reported.

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