Fake Libertarian Roger Stone Whines About Money

Roger Stone, who sometimes purports to be a libertarian and was involved in the Gary Johnson 2012 campaign, recently sent out a fundraising e-mail in his wife’s name.

As is common for Stone, the e-mail is full of misleading statements and other deceptions. For starters Stone talks about their supposedly desperate financial circumstances:

Two years of constant intense investigation into every aspect of our family as well as two years of constant leaks from the special councils [sic] office have destroyed our family income. … we must move into a small apartment which is less expensive.

The so-called “raid” on Stone took place at a house they’re renting in the hyperexpensive Las Olas Isles neighborhood.

The address, 447 Coral Way, is so public now that someone (not us) actually labeled the house on Google Maps. A 2019 satellite image from Google Maps shows not one but two boats docked at Stone’s house.

MLS data shows the house has been listed for sale at prices as high as $2.2 million. A current real estate search shows it currently listed as a rental for $9500 per month. Recipients of Stone’s whiny e-mail might be a bit less sympathetic if they learned he was paying over $100,000 a year to rent a $2M house where he maintains two yachts.

The other interesting detail is the Nixon fan’s sudden interest in excessive policing.

The FBI used twenty nine agents, seventeen vehicles including two armored vehicles, a helicopter and two amphibious units because our rented home backs onto a canal. Every agent was carrying an AK-47 as well as a sidearm. This is a much larger force than used to capture and kill Bin Laden or arrest El Chapo. It must have cost U.S. taxpayers a half a million dollars.

Starting with one glaring bit of nonsense, FBI agents do not carry AK-47s. The rifles in the video look like the M4 rifle that they normally carry. The AK reference may be the result of Stone’s firearms ignorance:

Stone violates a basic safety rule by placing his finger on the trigger of an Uzi submachine gun before he was ready to shoot. An instructor repeatedly reminds him to take his finger off the trigger before he is forced to physically remove it.

It’s also possible that Stone was making some kind of Russia-related inference by mentioning the Russian model rifle, or invoking the AK-47 because it’s the “bad guy” rifle.

The number of agents involved started at 12 in the early reports. CNN reported a half-dozen vehicles with maybe a dozen officers. Stone and others have been inflating the number to make it look bigger. Videos from the scene, including ones Stone released, show perhaps 10-12 individuals, many of whom were not carrying rifles. Few if any are wearing helmets. Our best count from what we saw was 8, but there were probably a few more we didn’t see. Nothing suggests there were anywhere near 29 agents or 17 vehicles. Such extreme exaggerations are typical of Stone. Trump fans and conservative talking heads like Tucker Carlson spread this nonsense without the slightest hint of doubt.

The Bin Laden and El Chapo operations involved far greater numbers in total, and some would argue that the entire Afghanistan war was an operation to get Bin Laden with hundreds of thousands of soldiers. In any event the operation doesn’t have any real cost unless agents were able to bill overtime. This is their job and they’re salaried employees.

Stone deliberately misses a key point. It was not merely an arrest. This was a search warrant as well as an arrest. In South Florida search warrants are routinely carried out by SWAT teams. The city of Jupiter police department is just one example.

Since its implementation, the S.W.A.T. Team’s goal is to provide for the safe execution of search warrants, dignitary protection and hostage negotiation situations.

Radley Balko made short work of Stone’s whining:

Of course the biggest hypocrisy is that Stone was and remains a Richard Nixon fan. Nixon started the so-called War on Drugs, which has led to countless raids upon non-violent drug offenders. Typically for a political figure, he’s fine with police abuse as long as it’s directed at poor blacks and Hispanics. It’s not only the Nixon connection. Stone was politically involved with the two previous sheriffs of Broward County. He never criticized their SWAT team practices.

Warren Redlich is the owner of IPR. He is a long-time critic of Roger Stone and sued Stone in the past. The full text of Stone’s fundraising e-mail is below.


By now I’m sure you have heard about the terrifying pre-dawn raid on the house in Ft Lauderdale where I live with my husband Roger Stone.

A little before 6 am twenty nine assault weapon wielding FBI agents in full tactical gear and wearing night vision goggles surrounded our home because I am hearing impaired and I was sleeping I did not hear the commotion when an FBI agent pounded on the door demanding my husband open it and I did not know he had been handcuffed and taken into custody.

I woke up only when two FBI agents burst into our bedroom and demanded that I get out of bed at gunpoint. I was marched out to the street in front of our house wearing only a night gown and in bare feet. I was instructed to stand next to my husband who was handcuffed and also barefooted. I am not charged with any crime.

This has to be the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced as FBI agents swarmed into our home after announcing they had a search warrant.

My husband has no previous criminal record, not even a speeding ticket. He is charged and pled not guilty to seven non violent process crimes. We do not own a gun and my husband’s passport had actually expired. The idea that he is a danger to anyone or a flight risk was disproved hours later when a federal magistrate released him on a surety bond.

The FBI used twenty nine agents, seventeen vehicles including two armored vehicles, a helicopter and two amphibious units because our rented home backs onto a canal. Every agent was carrying an AK-47 as well as a sidearm. This is a much larger force than used to capture and kill Bin Laden or arrest El Chapo. It must have cost U.S. taxpayers a half a million dollars.

Even more humiliating, for some odd reason, A CNN camera crew had arrived at our home only fifty minutes before the FBI strike force and was allowed to film the assault on our home and my husband’s arrest. If my husband was considered “dangerous” why was a CNN film crew in position 10 yards from our front door? How convenient that the CNN producer at our home is a former special assistant to FBI director James Comey!

My parents came from Cuba. I can understand how these kind of police state tactics can happen in a communist country but it is hard to believe that the FBI Director and acting Attorney General would allow this kind of brutal assault on a U.S. citizen with no prior criminal record and charged only with non-violent process crimes here in the United States.

After the FBI took my husband away, I was allowed to dress under the supervision of a woman FBI agent who even had to watch me while I used the bathroom. I was not allowed to touch my cell phone even though I could see that my children and grandchildren were calling to see if I was alright. FBI agents tore through every square inch of our home and removed my husbands computers and iPads. They also took my computer which means they got many beautiful pictures of my grandchildren.

I wasn’t allowed to turn on the television so I did not see the angry and hateful mob that gathered outside the federal courthouse in Ft Lauderdale where I later learned that my husband was placed in hand and foot shackles and held in a holding cell after being fingerprinted and having his mug shot photos taken. The FBI spent seven hours tearing through our house as well as raiding a storage facility nearby where they also took a computer and went through financial records that are at least fifteen years old.

Although you would never know it from the fake news media, my husband, Roger Stone is not charged with Russian collusion, Wikileaks collaboration or any other crime associated with the 2016 election. All the charges against him have been fabricated in an obvious effort to pressure him to turn on President Trump who has been our friend for forty years and who attended our wedding in Washington D.C. 27 years ago. I remember how he danced with my mother.

As my husband has made clear, he simple refuses to make up stories about the President or bear false witness against him in order to please Mr. Mueller who wants to undo the results of the 2016 election and remove our President.

Two years of constant intense investigation into every aspect of our family as well as two years of constant leaks from the special councils office have destroyed our family income.

In December I cancelled our health and life insurance policies because we could not longer pay the premiums. My husband sold his car even though it was a 2006 model and we didn’t get much for it. We burned through a small fund we had put aside from the sale of my husband’s books that was supposed to pay for the college education of our grandchildren.

Now we are facing a two million dollar cost for lawyers In order to fight the bogus charges against my husband who at 66 years old is facing a potential 45 year prison sentence for crimes he did not commit.

Every day brings death threats, late night anonymous phone calls threatening to kill us and it’s gotten so I can’t even go to the grocery store without somebody screaming at me and accusing us of being Russian spys — which is funny because my parents fled Cuba and the brutal regime of Fidel Castro while my husband’s family members were mowed down my Russian tanks in Budapest in 1956.

While Mueller has unlimited tax dollars and a platoon of vicious left wing Ivy League prosecutors to try my husband we can only depend on people like you to help fund Roger’s legal defense.

Won’t you please send a contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250, $500 or $1000 to the Stone Defense Fund today? No amount is too small or too big.

You have been so generous in the past and I hesitate to ask but frankly I have no one else to turn to.

You can contribute now by going here.

We deeply appreciate the thousands of Americans who are praying for us and supporting our fight against a run-away federal prosecutor bent on destroying my husband simply because he supported Donald Trump for President and helped defeat Hillary Clinton.

I have to begin packing everything we own because we must move into a small apartment which is less expensive and has better security so the days ahead will be busy for me.

The same Obama appointed judge who put Paul Manafort in solitary confinement prior to his being convicted of any crime is now considering issuing a gag order so that my husband can no longer publicly raise money for his legal defense- that’s why it is important that you rush me your answer today.

God bless you

NYDIA

Mrs. Roger Stone

P.S. you can see fake news stories online that say my husband and I are wealthy and worth millions of dollars. This is totally false. Roger says these stories are planted in order to make it harder for us to raise money for his legal defense. We urgently need your help again today.

40 thoughts on “Fake Libertarian Roger Stone Whines About Money

  1. Melinda Pillsbury-Foster

    Selling pot was always a victimless crime. The level of threat used against Americans is entirely out of line for all of us. Revisit Sheriff Richard Mack’s book on what is appropriate The Proper Role of
    Law Enforcement – What Every Citizen Should Know. – What Every Cop Should Believe.

    We used to call them Peace Officers.

  2. Andrew

    IPR is hurting for content so much that you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel with this garbage? Guess I won’t come back….

  3. wredlich Post author

    Andrew, your last comment was in October. What was so bad about this post, one out of 50 so far this year and over 18,000 in IPR’s history, that this would push you over the edge?

  4. wredlich Post author

    Joe – I don’t know about that. Does he have such connections? I know he’s “friends” with a lot of LPF people on Facebook.

  5. William t. Forrest

    Lpf is tied in with stone and the racist nationalist skinheads with the state party Secretary and several exec com members being members of or extensive ties to the white nationalist movement as well as stone who is tied in heavily with Putin and trump, two noted supporters of that same bowel movement who are in turn supported by it along with the revival of EURopean and Latin American fascism.

  6. wredlich Post author

    The readership usually peaks during elections, especially presidential elections, and drops off after. So readership in January was down from November and December. There’s a steady core of readers and then others come in for the elections.

  7. paulie

    More complicated than that. Our stats now only go back to late 2012 but didn’t really dip after the 2008 election, iirc. They definitely did not dip after the 2012 election. They did pick up just before the 2014 election, stayed strong throughout 2015 and 2016, and dipped in February 2017. However, they were higher in April and May 2017, not in conjunction with any election. They dipped lower after that and stayed low through the 2018 election, but were up in December and January. However, February is on track to be lower than any month on record. Part of it is election-related as you say, part of it is number of articles and how well the site is functioning technically and whether and how well the social media feeds are working.

  8. Shane

    What’s the basis of the “fake libertarian” headline? Because he’s friends with Trump?

    Roger is broke. He has rented that home for some time and is moving into a more affordable apartment.

    Given that tactics of Mueller and this political investigation, we should be siding with Roger, not against him.

  9. wredlich Post author

    –What’s the basis of the “fake libertarian” headline?–

    Roger has no libertarian principles whatsoever. He is the intellectual child of Goebbels. He pretended to be libertarian while he was on the outs with the GOP, and backstabbed the Gary Johnson campaign (according to my inside source).

    –Roger is broke. He has rented that home for some time and is moving into a more affordable apartment.–

    He’s broke? How would you know that? Broke people don’t rent $2M houses paying $9K/month rent.

    He rents his homes because he hides his money, not because he can’t afford anything.

    –Given that tactics of Mueller and this political investigation, we should be siding with Roger, not against him.–

    Given Roger’s tactics of being dishonest (and bragging about it), and as nasty as possible to anyone who gets in his way (including yours truly) IPR will be against him until the day someone buys it from me. $10K and it’s yours.

    I read your comment and I wonder if you’ve bothered to learn anything about Roger Stone. He’s pure evil and proud of being so and being known for it. Are you so desperate as a libertarian to succeed in politics that you’ll take anyone? It’s like the “What if he’s on our side” bit from the Lion King, except he’s Scar.

  10. wredlich Post author

    Stone celebrates his reputation as a “dirty trickster” – https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/the-dirty-trickster

    He celebrates his connection to Nixon, the architect of the modern War on Drugs.

    Stone revels in his Watergate pedigree, noting almost apologetically that he was never accused of breaking any law. “The Democrats were weak, we were strong,” he told me. (Stone’s rules: “Attack, attack, attack—never defend” and “Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack.”)

    This is the guy you want on your side? How do you know he won’t turn on you?

  11. paulie

    Moderated again . . .

    You are not being moderated. We are having technical problems which cause many users to not see their comments until several hours to about a day later. Some other people can see your comments right away and you can eventually see them. We are trying to solve this problem, with no luck so far. BTW did you receive your invitation to post articles?

  12. paulie

    What’s the basis of the “fake libertarian” headline? Because he’s friends with Trump?

    I would think it’s because he is not even remotely close to being a libertarian.

    Roger is broke. He has rented that home for some time and is moving into a more affordable apartment.

    Hmmm… I’m broke. Anyone want to rent me a $10k a month place with two yachts which I can downsize from?

    Given that tactics of Mueller and this political investigation, we should be siding with Roger, not against him.

    Mueller’s investigation is not “political,” attempts to paint it as such are. If anything, I’m more concerned that Mueller’s investigation is going to be a whitewash of the Trump crime family. Fortunately, it’s not even close to being the only investigation already or about to be underway into every aspect of everything Trump has done since college. Trump organization/business, Trump campaign, Trump Foundation, Trump Campaign, Trump Transition, Trump Inaugural, Trump administration – all are being probed on many levels, and not just federally, so pardon power won’t cover everything. The Panama Papers and Deutsche Bank investigations are closely related. Trump has been involved in criminal enterprises pretty much all his life, as have numerous of his associates, and a lot of it will be coming out soon. Not all at once.

    Like Manafort and Stone, Trump has been deeply mired in Russian organized crime/government/espionage community connections since at least the 1990s if not the 1980s. In fact they have all been held financially afloat by them. There’s a lot more to say here – shelves of books worth – but I’ll stop at that.

  13. dL

    Mueller’s investigation is not “political,” attempts to paint it as such are. If anything, I’m more concerned that Mueller’s investigation is going to be a whitewash of the Trump crime family.

    I pretty much agree with this Knapp piece
    http://thegarrisoncenter.org/archives/14248

    If the Dems were serious about impeaching Trump, they would do it now with a “a clear-cut, air-tight, irrefutable case for his own impeachment.”

  14. dL

    What’s the basis of the “fake libertarian” headline? Because he’s friends with Trump?

    That would merely be exhibit C…

  15. paulie

    Some Democrats want to impeach FSB Agent Orange aka Cheeto Benito von Bonespur now. Some have for a while. Some are not ready. The leadership is making the political calculation that impeachment without removal will bite them in the ass come 2020 elections, and they may be right. Removal isn’t going to happen anytime soon because the Mango Mussolini is so popular among Republicans that not enough will be found regardless of the severity and ironclad proof of case; they are more scared of being primaried by mini-trumpster fires than anything else. Trump is betting that the Supreme Court will hold him up on the Roberts-Kavanaugh principle of deferring to the elected branches.

    That’s why public pressure on the cowardly Republicans and Democrats is needed.

    https://www.needtoimpeach.com/impeachable-offenses/ is just skimming the surface, but it’s a good start. I think they have something like 7 or 8 million signers. Personal contacts is also good.

  16. paulie

    The 25th Amendment solution would also be warranted, but even less likely. And Pence is in the wings, which is scary enough in itself. That may even be why he is there.

  17. dL

    FSB Agent Orange aka Cheeto Benito von Bonespur now.

    If Weld called Trump that, would you then concede Weld indeed was calling Trump a fascist?

  18. Chuck Moulton

    Shane wrote:

    Given that tactics of Mueller and this political investigation, we should be siding with Roger, not against him.

    I’m no fan of Stone, but I agree with Shane that Mueller is railroading people.

  19. dL

    Yes. Benito would pretty clearly be a reference to Mussolini.

    Weld’s invocation of Kristallnacht in 2016 was clearly a reference to Nazi Germany. And he doubled down on that comparison when asked.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bill_Weld_Immigration.htm

    Q: You recently likened Trump’s immigration policies to what happened in Nazi Germany.
    WELD: Sure did.

    Q: Why?

    WELD: I think that the Republican presumptive nominee has succeeded in tapping into the very worst political traditions of the United States and other countries. The amount of fear engendered in Europe with the knock at the door [from the police during WWII], Anne Frank hiding in the attic, hoping no noise will alert the Nazis below, they’re directly analogous.

  20. dL

    I’m no fan of Stone, but I agree with Shane that Mueller is railroading people.

    The FBI is in the business of railroading people. That’s what it does. Hoover literally got his start by railroading people like Emma Goldman right out of the continental United States. The FBI are pigs. Stone is a piece of shit. There is no side to pick, here.

  21. paulie

    Weld’s invocation of Kristallnacht in 2016 was clearly a reference to Nazi Germany.

    Is there anything Weld has said about Trump that would be shocking if, say, Lawrence O’Donnell, Rachel Maddow or Hillary Clinton said the exact same words?

  22. paulie

    The FBI is in the business of railroading people. That’s what it does. Hoover literally got his start by railroading people like Emma Goldman right out of the continental United States. The FBI are pigs. Stone is a piece of shit. There is no side to pick, here.

    The FBI is in the business of railroading people who are not of the privileged politically connected class. Mueller is a Republican and a good friend of the new Attorney General William Barr, the same one who counseled Bush Sr to pardon everyone in any way connected to Iran-Contra and keep the dominoes from falling back to Pappy Bush himself. The same William Barr who got Trump to nominate him by …

    “In June 2018, Barr sent an unsolicited 20-page memo to deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein arguing that the Special Counsel’s approach to potential obstruction of justice by Trump was “fatally misconceived” and that, based on his knowledge, Trump’s actions were within his presidential authority.” -wikipedia

    And:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/mueller-won-right-keep-investigating-trump-he-may-have-lost-ncna977151

    The ultimate consequence of the court’s finding is bigger than Miller: It likely means that no court will interfere should the attorney general curtail Mueller’s investigation, embargo some or all of Mueller’s final report or even discharge the special counsel before he makes his report.

    The court of appeals’ reasoning not only specifies that Mueller is an “inferior officer” whose decisions can be countermanded by the attorney general, but that he must be an “inferior officer” if his probe is to survive constitutional challenge at all.

    Thus, if the courts are powerless to ensure either the special counsel’s independence or to provide that his anticipated final report be made public, it will fall to Congress to do so.

    In other words Mueller’s investigation will be a whitewash.

  23. wredlich Post author

    Chuck Moulton wrote: “I’m no fan of Stone, but I agree with Shane that Mueller is railroading people.”

    Where is the railroading? Manafort was caught in massive tax evasion. Stone was caught lying under oath and tampering with a witness (Credico). The messages back and forth between Stone and Credico are damning. Cohen pled guilty.

    Who is the victim of Mueller’s railroading?

  24. paulie

    Good question.

    I haven’t seen any victims either. If anything, the convictions were for much lesser crimes than these individuals have been habitually guilt of. Read the wikipedia entries for Roger Stone, Robert Mueller, and William Barr … it puts this all into context.

  25. wredlich Post author

    — Yes. Benito would pretty clearly be a reference to Mussolini.
    Weld’s invocation of Kristallnacht in 2016 was clearly a reference to Nazi Germany.–

    The comparisons to totalitarian and genocidal dictators is nonsense. In 2018 the Democrats won the House. A totalitarian dictator would not have allowed that. Trump is rude to reporters but they don’t fear for their lives. Just their egos.

    He mocks the media as “fake news” and they keep proving him right. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, shown in particular by the URJ’s ridiculous response to the recognition of Jerusalem and the Democrats’ opposition to troop withdrawals from Syria and Afghanistan.

    He’s a dirty rat. But these off-the-mark criticisms make the critics look like idiots to an objective observer.

  26. paulie

    The comparisons to totalitarian and genocidal dictators is nonsense. In 2018 the Democrats won the House. A totalitarian dictator would not have allowed that.

    He’s not a totalitarian dictator yet, but he’s working hard on becoming one, and admires and aligns with and tries to learn from every dictator while openly expressing admiration. The stronghold he has over the Republican base, the Senate and the courts along with the executive branch puts him in a position to chip away at the remaining safeguards that prevent him from assuming full dictatorial powers.

    Trump is rude to reporters but they don’t fear for their lives. Just their egos.

    It’s escalating. There was the mail bomber who targeted newsrooms for example, or a recent physical attack on a BBC cameraman at a Trump rally. You keep missing that this is still an early stage and that he has a lot of institutional resistance to overcome. But much bigger and faster moves toward dictatorship are looming if he keeps getting his way and if he doesn’t he is creating precedent for the next president or the one after that, like his phony national emergency.

    He mocks the media as “fake news”

    It’s what dictators do. An independent press and an independent judiciary are the two biggest stumbling blocks to dictators. Trump is diligently chipping away at both. Again, there’s a long history of this playbook being put to use in other countries.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome is real

    Among his rabid supporters. Trump Stockholm Syndrome is equally real among his tepid critics and lukewarm excusers.

  27. dL

    The comparisons to totalitarian and genocidal dictators is nonsense.

    I would point out the Germans didn’t think they were living under a totalitarian regime, either. That was well chronicled in Milton Mayer’s book, “They Thought They Were Free.” The lesson from that book is that contemporaneous opinion that will best jive with the verdict of history comes not from the halls of respectable men but rather from those who are in the prisons, the concentration camps and the ones who have the bombs dropping on them.

    Objectively, the United States is unprecedented in the literal meaning of totalitarianism: it quite literally claims jurisdiction over every square inch of god’s green earth. Woe to anyone who becomes an enemy of the United States because there literally is no place to run.

    He mocks the media as “fake news” and they keep proving him right.

    My question is why are the people who cry “fake news” the biggest consumers of said fake news. I stopped watching cable/satellite news a decade ago after becoming fed up with the authoritarian/militaristic slant posing as entertainment. Fake News? No shit. And I really didn’t need rent my mind out to dear leader or the largest media corporation in the world to tell me that.

  28. Carol Moore/Secession.net

    While I assume the worst about Trump and Stone, neither has disgusted me to point I can’t sometimes enjoy their antics and sympathize when Deep State/Demos go overboard against them. (And I’ll have a laugh on Dems if after 2 years of this Mueller nonsense nothing really substantive besides lying to feds/congress or non-Russia crimes is found.)

    In any case, saw old interview with him where he claimed he introduced Trump to Nixon while he was still Prez and Nixon loved Trump and predicted he’d be Prez one day.

    Of course, given Stone’s a big liar, so who knows if it’s true. Bad part about being a liar is people don’t believe you even when you ARE telling the truth.

  29. wredlich Post author

    paulie wrote:
    –He’s not a totalitarian dictator yet, but he’s working hard on becoming one ….–

    I love you paulie, but this is mindless gobbledygook.

    –The stronghold he has over the Republican base–

    You mean his support from the voters, right? I guess this is like Bernie’s Democratic Socialism. It’s Democratic Dictatorship. Gobbledygook.

    –The stronghold he has over … the Senate and the courts along with the executive branch puts him in a position to chip away at the remaining safeguards that prevent him from assuming full dictatorial powers. —

    He’s supposed to control the executive branch, so let’s dispense with that one without discussion.

    The Senate? Rand Paul just said he’s voting against the border emergency. Any control Trump has over the Senate is due to that Republican base you mentioned above. Part of the Democratic Dictatorship I guess.

    The Courts? I think they rule against him as often as they side with him. Where’s your evidence of his control over judges with life appointments?

    –An independent press and an independent judiciary are the two biggest stumbling blocks to dictators. Trump is diligently chipping away at both.–

    You’re just making this up about the judges. As for the press, they haven’t been independent in decades, maybe never.

    dL wrote:
    –Germans didn’t think they were living under a totalitarian regime, either. … Objectively, the United States is unprecedented in the literal meaning of totalitarianism: it quite literally claims jurisdiction over every square inch of god’s green earth.–

    Good point. But that’s not about Trump. That’s about the whole clusterfuck we’ve made of our federal government.

    –why are the people who cry “fake news” the biggest consumers of said fake news. I stopped watching cable/satellite news a decade ago after becoming fed up with the authoritarian/militaristic slant posing as entertainment. Fake News? No shit.–

    Amen. I can’t watch TV news at all, and I don’t really read newspapers any more either. I get most of my news from my friends on Facebook. I have friends across the spectrum. That helps.

  30. dL

    Good point. But that’s not about Trump. That’s about the whole clusterfuck we’ve made of our federal government.

    Well, if you are looking for a straw man that the United States was some demonstration of democratic collective will before Trump came along, I’m the wrong guy. Trump walked right into a ready made unitary executives office with all the security state trappings that would one historically associate with authoritarian regimes.

  31. Tony From Long Island

    Warren wrote –The stronghold he has over the Republican base–

    You mean his support from the voters, right? Gobbledygook.

    No Warren, he hijacked the party by duping the easily fooled and poorly educated. He swooned the fake religious left by spoon feeding them garbage and tricked them into abandoning pretty much all their principles. Jim Jones in a red hat.

    –He’s not a totalitarian dictator yet, but he’s working hard on becoming one ….–

    I love you paulie, but this is mindless gobbledygook.

    Is it?? His own words show that he would love nothing more than to make unilateral decisions without any checks and balances. His constant love fest with autocrats and disdain for democratically elected leaders speaks volumes.

    I guess this is like Bernie’s Democratic Socialism. It’s Democratic Dictatorship.

    Warren, you of all people know that socialism is when the government owns the means of production. Bernie doesn’t advocate for that.

    “Socialism:”??? Medicare, Public Schools, Social Security, Police, Fire Departments, Farm Subsidies, Public Parks, health care for 9/11 workers, the prison system, SNAP program for the poor, medicaid, National Weather service, the military. . . . . this list could go on obviously . . .

    Yes, I know . . . you want to get rid of all of those and have the destitute live in cardboard boxes eating fried sewer rat . . .

    btw, why do my posts not show up until many many hours later? 🙂

  32. dL

    No Warren, he hijacked the party by duping the easily fooled and poorly educated.

    If you have ever listened to the wingnutsphere, it is manifestly clear Trump didn’t hijack anything. He is giving them what they want. And the Repub demos today are maybe a little bit less educated than the Dems, but not by much. And even when the Repubs were the more educated party, conservative talk radio wasn’t that much different. And regarding uneducated dupes, I remind you that two-thirds of the voting electorate are high school educated or less. So, if social democracy is your thing, be careful what you wish for.

    Yes, I know . . . you want to get rid of all of those and have the destitute live in cardboard boxes eating fried sewer rat . . .

    They already do.

    And most of these homeless tent cities are in progressive states. You can’t blame the GOP for that.

  33. dL

    this list could go on obviously

    Yes it could….

    DHS, NSA, FBI, ATF, FDA, DEA, CIA, TSA, ISA, CGI, DIA, OIC, OIA, OTFI, MCIA, NGIA, NRO, NIA, CBP, ICE, USCIS, USSS, FAMS, ERO, OFO, FPS, DOE, OST, BIS, EPA, FCC, FAA, FED, FDIC, FTC,ICC, SEC, CPSC, DOC, USFS, USDA, PFPA, HUD, DOT, AID, USCP

    After all, the price of civilization is exhausting the combinatorics of the 3-letter acronym.

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