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Jorgensen nominated, narrowly getting over 50% on 4th ballot win

Via Joe Bishop-Henchman:

President fourth ballot:

Jorgensen 524 (51.1%)

Hornberger 285 (27.8%)

Supreme 206 (20.1%)

NOTA 4

Write-Ins 7

Concessions:

Vermin says we must unite, support the ticket, the party and the movement.

Hornberger thanks his staff, says support Jorgensen at the end.

Jorgensen will discuss VP in acceptance speech tomorrow morning.

Additional details at reason.com and Texas Free Press.

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  1. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 23, 2020

    It’s high time my party nominated a woman. Bravo for that.

  2. paulie paulie May 23, 2020

    I honestly thought Hornberger would be the Nom.

    You didn’t pay close enough attention. He wasn’t a lot of people’s second, third or fourth choice.

  3. paulie paulie May 23, 2020

    It’s high time my party nominated a woman. Bravo for that.

    Nice contrast to the duopoly shit show this year.

  4. Bondurant Bondurant May 23, 2020

    High time? How many women have sought, seriously, the LP presidential nomination? Saying something like “high time” insinuates some kind of misogynist libertarian agenda in the past.

    Vermin would make a great White House press secretary. Even if only on April Fool’s Day. I’d love to hear the “crushed skull glitter” comment thrown before the press corps.

  5. paulie paulie May 23, 2020

    High time? How many women have sought, seriously, the LP presidential nomination?

    Off the top of my head Mary Ruwart almost won in 2008, but not quite. Plenty others ran, but did not come close.

  6. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 23, 2020

    “How many women have sought, seriously, the LP presidential nomination?

    Yea, doesn’t say too much about the LP does it?

    I say we corrected a mistake today.

    “Saying something like “high time” insinuates some kind of misogynist libertarian agenda in the past.”

    well, maybe not an agenda, but I implore you to canvass the disproportionately small female membership of the party. I know for a fact you’ll get an earful about the crap they’ve had to deal with by male members.

  7. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt May 23, 2020

    I’m very pleased with the outcome. Plus, today was much more like the Libertarian Party I know and love. There was very little acrimony and we all worked together.

  8. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    Expect Bumper to challenge the outcome, claiming something about them being purposely shut out of the Zoom feed, damaging his ability to present.

    Team Jo should consider trying to run up the vote totals in deep red and blue states, especially women in those states.

  9. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    PF,

    Ruwart also ran in 84 and was 3rd. She threw her support to Bergland, and the rest is history.

  10. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    Ruwart also ran in 84 and was 3rd. She threw her support to Bergland, and the rest is history.

    Yes, I know. But that was a last minute convention brainstorm.

  11. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    Expect Bumper to challenge the outcome, claiming something about them being purposely shut out of the Zoom feed, damaging his ability to present.

    I don’t think he will, but he just might.

  12. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    PF,

    He is a certain type of aggrieved sociopath who has been stewing all night.

  13. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    Well, I can see that being possible. I think he may want to preserve some political capital for a state race, 2024, or whatever. But we’ll see what happens.

  14. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    PF,

    He was a sore loser the last time he ran, iirc. He ran for Senate as an independent, not L, as he carried forward his deep-seated grievances.

  15. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    I remember. But at 70, he’s still young enough to run next time, but not for too much longer. Notice it took him 18 years after that to poke his nose back into LP campaigning. 18 years from now he’ll be 88. That may not be too old by then, but it still may be.

  16. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    I think I’ll lean to paulie here…possible, not likely for Hornberger to contest the results.

  17. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    Well, to be clear, I’m not saying it’s a sure thing. It’s more of a I wouldn’t be surprised thing.

  18. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    RC,

    fair enough. I agree with that too.

    care to make any prediction regarding her vote total in November? Obviously, things could change, but I mean, at first blush.

  19. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    fair enough. I agree with that too.

    Same.

  20. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    She’s probably capped at 500,000. The only way she does better is if she plays the woman card and rolls up Rs and R-leaners in Blue states or Ds and D-leaners in Red states, especially women. She’d need to convince them that their vote is wasted anyway, why not symbolically vote for a woman?

    Get on Oprah and The View, or something.

  21. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    Agreed on the strategy. 100% agreement.

    She brings Monds along to The View (if Monds gets the VP)…so much the better. Great optics.

    The depressing thing here is the likely 500,000 vote ceiling is only going to reinforce the radicals and NAPists that we screwed up again and didn’t go full “Libertarian.”

  22. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    AD,

    At the root, “purists” are too often aggrieved, and sometimes sociopathic. So, of course, even if Hornberger, Kokesh, or Vohra were the nominee, they would STILL be whining about Ls being “leaky,” the term MNR used for NAP plumbline violations.

  23. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    agreed, RC on being prepared there.

    what would you suggest NS should have said?

  24. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    He probably should have conferred with the LPNY Chair first.

    Maybe something like:

    “Of course, we Ls believe in second chances, and I am pleased that Mr. Commey has turned his life around, and that he is a member of the LP. However, speaking not as Chair of the national party but as an individual, I do not support Commey for Mayor. I would prefer that he direct his efforts in a lower-profile way, for the obvious reasons.”

    Or something.

    It strikes me as abundantly sensible to distance the LP from a former hijacking mental patient.

    Silly me….

  25. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    “At the root, “purists” are too often aggrieved, and sometimes sociopathic.”

    You wonder how they get to the conclusion that the general electorate is more amenable to radical libertarianism than Libertarians are…indeed more amenable to radical libertarianism than Libertarian DELEGATES are.

    Seems untenable.

  26. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    “It strikes me as abundantly sensible to distance the LP from a former hijacking mental patient.”

    fair point

  27. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    AD,

    The explanation would be psychological. Deeply aggrieved people are more prone to grandiose narratives that help them make sense of the world. Their fears are validated by a simplistic worldview, and they simply assume that such simplicity would be appealing to others.

  28. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    The delegate votes are up at Wikipedia. It does appear a sizable portion of Kokesh’s delegates went to Hornberger after Kokesh dropped.

    48% of the first ballot went to VS, Hornberger and Kokesh.

    That’s also a cold bucket of water to the face.

  29. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    AD,

    Interestingly, when I brought Commey up a few weeks ago, iirc TK and PF did not have a problem with his candidacy and NS’s failure to distance the party from Commey. I continue to be puzzled by their reactions.

  30. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    I don’t remember that discussion.

  31. robert capozzi robert capozzi May 24, 2020

    …oh, now I remember, the discussion was on FB, so it was TK only. NS weighed in, too, justifying his statement.

  32. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    Fair enough. If I could see the context of the discussion I’d have some better grasp.

  33. Tony From Long Island Tony From Long Island May 24, 2020

    Jorgensen is a fair nominee. I like her stances on immigration, foreign non-intervention and criminal justice.

    However the fact that A joke candidate like Vermin Supreme got as much support as he did shows just how little many in the LP care about credibility and being taken seriously.

  34. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    Vermin is no joke. Despite initial resistance, more people would have ended up taking us seriously, because they would actually pay attention to our actual views for the first time.

  35. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    Tony From L.I.,

    It’s not just Vermin.

    Vermin + Kokesh + Hornberger accounted for close to 50% of the first ballot delegates.

    That’s half the delegates supporting messages that are comically unmarketable and extreme.

  36. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    That’s nice, but that graph shows Vermin raised $4,000.

    We need $400,000,000

  37. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    Well, the person who could raise 400 m in one month wasn’t available. We can only choose from among the options we actually have. Also, he would have been able to do far, far more as the nominee.

  38. Bondurant Bondurant May 24, 2020

    A critic of Vermin Love Supreme will be voting for Biden with no sense of irony of self-awareness.

  39. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    But of course.

  40. Anthony Dlugos Anthony Dlugos May 24, 2020

    I guess grafting the #I’mWithHer hashtag worked then, if it got someone at CNN to mention us.

    Good.

    Although I did notice this paragraph from the article:

    “Jorgensen does advocate some positions that many progressives, including me, find appealing, such as putting a stop to US involvement in what feels to be never-ending wars. She also lays out other positions, however, that I vehemently disagree with, such as eliminating federal programs that help the poor.”

    Whatever goodwill we build up with the left…something me and paulie agree is a good idea…is wiped out with the last sentence.

    So that’s disappointing.

  41. Bondurant Bondurant May 24, 2020

    That sentiment can work both ways. Common ground can be found with progressives but they always burn the bridge with their belief that their ideal government should be my overlord. Work at reaching those that can be reached. Many if not most progressive and conservative acolytes are a lost cause.

  42. paulie paulie May 24, 2020

    True. But the good news in that is at least they realize we aren’t just drawing from Republicans. If they thought we did, they wouldn’t be so worried about us “taking” votes from them.

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