Media Roundup: Jorgensen nomination

Submitted by Paulie with a few editorial comments, so I am asking another IPR editor to publish under their byline.

A search of the news reveals the following; please add more in comments.

Washington Times: Libertarians nominate psychologist grandmother to be presidential candidate

I’m looking forward to their August Headline: “Democrats nominate retired politician, grandfather to be presidential candidate”

On the “other” side of the one dimensional political flatline, CNN got triggered by the campaign’s use of the #I’mWithHer hashtag made famous by Hillary Clinton in 2016 and gave us this fabulous example of “spoiler effect” whining (prepare for much, much more of this from “both” sides of the rotten penny):

The truth about ‘I’m with her’ Opinion by Dean Obeidallah

Heavy.com reveals that Jo Jorgensen Wins Libertarian Nomination; Vermin Supreme Places 3rd. Libertarians may wish to encourage more news outlets to follow this trend and skip from 1st to 3rd in reporting the November results. They also tell us that “She won by more than 51% in the fourth ballot.” Similarly, Gary Johnson lost by 3% in November 2016, and by only 1% in November 2012.

Channel 2 CBS Chicago plays the local angle: Illinois Native Jo Jorgensen Elected As Libertarian Presidential Candidate.

Fox News: Libertarians pick first female presidential nominee gives their “fair and balanced” perspective. They start by saying “Jo Jorgensen is touting that she’s the “freedom” candidate” with scare quotes and go on to predict that “even her odds of playing a spoiler role appear slim.” Like their likewise heavily Republican-leaning friends at the Washington Times they say “The psychologist and grandmother is the first woman to top the party’s presidential ticket.” What’s the over/under on them making similar note of the fact that Trump and Biden are grandfathers when discussing their nominations?

KGUN9 ABC in Tucson: Jo Jorgensen named Libertarian Presidential nominee

HotAir.com: Jo Jorgensen wins Libertarian presidential primary.

On the VP side, Brian Doherty at Reason has this. I’ve suggested a burqa photoshoot to Spike in response.

56 thoughts on “Media Roundup: Jorgensen nomination

  1. Thomas Knapp

    So, an underwhelming media response.

    Not surprising.

    I don’t think even Amash would have got more than perfunctory coverage this year. The MSM is too worried that even the slightest third party outbreak might keep Creepy, Handsy, Senile, Corrupt Establishment Democrat B from defeating Creepy, Handsy, Senile, Corrupt Establishment Democrat T.

  2. robert capozzi

    The Jorgensen/Cohen logo needs work. Cohen is larger than Jorgensen, which strikes me as quite odd.

  3. paulie

    I think that’s just because he has a shorter last name and it was fitted to be equal length. As far as I know it’s not coming from the official campaign. I saw a couple of state volunteer groups using it as their facebook cover photo.

  4. paulie

    The MSM is too worried that even the slightest third party outbreak might keep Creepy, Handsy, Senile, Corrupt Establishment Democrat B from defeating Creepy, Handsy, Senile, Corrupt Establishment Democrat T.

    Yep….except for Faux News, Sun Myung Moon et al, who are afraid of the same thing if you just switch the B and the T.

  5. Jared

    RC: “The Jorgensen/Cohen logo needs work. Cohen is larger than Jorgensen, which strikes me as quite odd.”

    Agreed. It’s poorly weighted and totally generic.

    But TBH, it’s still better than her primary campaign branding. You’d think one of the graphic design students at Clemson could’ve helped her out with a logo.

  6. paulie

    Hopefully that will be getting better soon. Caitlin is looking for graphic designers in the national volunteer group. I’ve already noticed some great work shared by Keith Thompson in there.

  7. SocraticGadfly

    I am working on a blog post called “The Libertarian Lady is not for turning.” Couldn’t resist the historical reference; Root may be apoplectic.

    That said, it’s primarily from a Green take, so other Libertarians may not care for it either, as the header, beyond the historic riff, isn’t “celebratory.”

  8. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Yes, I see why they made Cohen in a larger typeface. I maintain that it doesn’t work. Hopefully, the official one does.

    It also doesn’t say “Libertarian,” which in days past “purists” and institutionalists flipped out over such an omission. Makes me wonder whether those critiques were sincere, or whether GJ’s plumbline violations were the real trigger for their contemptuous barbs.

  9. paulie

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure much better graphics are coming soon. And agreed, hopefully they will say Libertarian.

    But for the purpose of this article I’m more interested in media stories. Anyone finding any that I did not mention in the article?

  10. paulie

    I am working on a blog post called “The Libertarian Lady is not for turning.” Couldn’t resist the historical reference; Root may be apoplectic.

    That said, it’s primarily from a Green take, so other Libertarians may not care for it either, as the header, beyond the historic riff, isn’t “celebratory.”

    Looking forward to reading it. Let me know if you would like it republished here, in whole or in part with attribution and a link back.

  11. dL

    The truth about ‘I’m with her’ Opinion by Dean Obeidallah

    I would think “a lesser of two monstrous evils” argument would be more a referendum on American democracy than Donald trump. If you need to resort to that cannon to take out Jo Jorgensen, well you got bigger problems than 3rd party gnats.

  12. Thomas Knapp

    —–
    It also doesn’t say “Libertarian,” which in days past “purists” and institutionalists flipped out over such an omission. Makes me wonder whether those critiques were sincere, or whether GJ’s plumbline violations were the real trigger for their contemptuous barbs.
    —–

    I’m sure that if it remains that way, it will get mentioned as if it gets noticed.

  13. NewFederalist

    Obviously this year will be different from the past three presidential election cycles. On the plus side the party is not running another GOP retread. On the minus side the ticket is virtually unknown. With COVID-19 and the election basically being a referendum on Donald Trump there is probably not much ANY alternative party or independent ticket can do to get much media attention. Having said that I would consider it a good year for the party if Jo Jorgensen can poll as many votes as Bob Barr did in 2008 and a tremendous year if she can poll anything close to Gary Johnson’s 2012 totals. I think this year might be a good gauge of just what the underlying party strength has become.

  14. Nik

    Heavenly Father Sun Myung Moon is eternal.

    I wonder if anyone will ask Amash if he is backing his party’s ticket. It’s generally assumed legislators will back the national ticket of their parties.

  15. Nik

    If this were a more ordinary year, I’d expect this ticket to get 500K-800K votes. But it probably won’t do that well, through no fault of the candidates — people are scared shitless of alternative parties after 2016, and the vast majority of Trump-haters will hold their noses for Joe.

  16. ATBAFT

    Looking at Nik and NewFederalist predictions , anything over 500,000 would be unexpected. Maybe adding 10,000 new members would be a better target for success in 2020?

  17. Concerned Chuck and Hetero Harry

    The real leadership of the Unification Church passed to me, Concerned Chuck and Hetero Harry, the world-famous conservative radio host with multiple personalities after the esstemed father visited us in a dream. He showed us the golden plates and allowed us to dine finely ground Cheerios off them. We are now leading the crusade against the Trotskyist Catholicism that is the ideology of the cabal that passes for the “liberatarian party” these days. Why doesn’t Jo claim to be against Catholic Trotskyists in her banner ads on facebook? Why was she so sinful as to be reincarnated as a woman? When will the Washington Post uncover the truth that lies hidden in Jo Jorgensen’s closet? It’s only a matter of time before papa Bezos thinks to send his hounds after the LP. Independent Political Report is going to need to step up and help if that happens or it’s going to lose ad revenue.

  18. paulie

    Welcome back. We’ve eagerly awaited your return for almost 9 years now.

    4 years per IPR comment search.

  19. Carol Moore

    Who made that Logo? I’ve seen another Cohen one that even more obviously emphasized him.

    I’m immediately going to fix it and pass it around.

    He better cut the bull or a lot of people will get mad and ignore the fact that he can give good presentations when he’s not on a narcissistic ego trip.

    PS. HOW DO WE POST IMAGES HERE???

  20. paulie

    You can’t post images here, only editors can.

    I don’t know who made the logo. A couple of the state volunteer groups are using it as their their facebook cover photo, which is how I found it. That’s probably, because as Jared pointed out, the official campaign graphics are even worse. That’s likely changing soon as the campaign is onboarding a lot of people to help in a lot of areas including graphic design. As we already discussed earlier the graphic is probably just because Cohen’s name is shorter and was fitted to the same length. Why jump to conclusions about motivations, much less blame Spike as if he had anything to do with it?

    Rather than beating to death the subject of a throwaway graphic that I added to the post just so it could have one without thinking about it for two seconds, why not discuss the actual subject of the post, which is media coverage of the campaign? Did I really find every single news story that has been broadcast or published anywhere about this nomination/convention/ticket? Seriously? I sure hope not. Someone help me out here?

  21. Carol Moore

    After making a new FB profile pic saying WOMAN PRESIDENT FInally! I added the comment: “I hope she wins. I don’t even care if Spike opens a GoGo bar on PA Ave and becomes the main attraction!”

    So that’s my view right now… 😉 😉

  22. frankie Miller

    The LP got trolled hard by a neocon who used to be active on the Fuck France forum around the time Bush invaded Iraq. Spike Cohen, libertarian? Give me a break. He teamed up with anarcho-communist Vermin Supreme because they both hate libertarians. Half the troll job worked.

  23. William Saturn

    There’s a factual error in the NYMag story linked above:

    “Back in 1996, she was the running mate of Harry Browne, the Libertarians’ last presidential nominee before the party started running ex-Republicans like Bob Barr and Gary Johnson.”

    Badnarik in 2004 was the last nominee before they started running ex-Republicans.

  24. Thomas Knapp

    Badnarik was not an ex-Republican OFFICEHOLDER, but IIRC he was an ex-Republican.

    Of course, so were several candidates before him. Harry was an anti-voting anarchist until he ran for president, but I think Marrou was a former Republican, Ron Paul certainly was, as was Roger McBride, and maybe others.

  25. Thomas Knapp

    That New York Magazine article is a fucking train wreck. The author seems to think that the pre-convention ranked choice polls were what determined the nomination. I felt myself getting dumber just reading the damn thing.

  26. SocraticGadfly

    Amarillo Pioneer story is kind of silly. Greens aren’t a major party but yet, by state GP rules, most delegates are bound for the first ballot.

  27. Carol Moore

    frankie Miller May 27, 2020 at 15:26
    The LP got trolled hard by a neocon who used to be active on the Fuck France forum around the time Bush invaded Iraq. Spike Cohen, libertarian? Give me a break. He teamed up with anarcho-communist Vermin Supreme because they both hate libertarians. Half the troll job worked.

    CM wrote: Did just a tiny search and found this where Mr. Saturn also posted.
    http://ballot-access.org/2020/05/24/libertarian-party-nominates-spike-cohen-for-vice-president/
    Good start…

    Wonder if he was posting under Jeremy Cohen.
    What was the name of his alleged company which he sold that made him some money?
    Yup, he’s an attention whore like they say who fooled a bunch of people, including Ken Armstrong.

  28. Carol Moore

    Anyway, on link above someone says he’s admitted he used to be a neocon. So we only have to deal with the present. Thank heavens.

    But being a glass half full type of person, I like the ending of the NY Mag article:
    “So the party that made a lot of noise with Johnson-Weld four years ago is now running an obscure party stalwart and a junior performance artist. It’s a pretty safe bet they are not going to win 4 million votes this time around, but they will definitely shake their reputation as a redoubt for washed-up Republican politicians.”

    And if Spike wanted to make nuke war and libertarian survivalism his number one issues he could get as naked as he wanted to promote the idea.

    Cause nuke war is coming. Hypersonic Nuke Missiles. NO MORE WARNING TIME. NO DEFENSE. It means either a) accidental nuke war or b) first strike to takeout the other guy first (good luck with that.)

    Dang, I should have moved to the mountains of NC with my distant cousins…instead of Delaware near my sisters who are all to scared to leave the house…

  29. William Saturn

    I found posts where someone on the site using the name SpikeCohen calls Iraqis, Arabs and French people “fags” and “faggots.” The individual supports and participates in a total boycott of French products, which he wants the government to specifically label since France did not support the US invasion of Iraq. He attacks the French for not allowing the US to bomb Libya in the 1980s. He also rejects the idea of a homeland for Palestinians and believes Israel should own all of the disputed area with no concessions.

    I’m still researching this and will need to confirm it is, in fact, the same Spike Cohen. However, the fact that Cohen said he once was a neo-con supports the possibility that these posts were from him.

  30. paulie

    I’m not sure why that is some kind of issue. He said he used to be a neocon and he was about 20 at the time.

  31. paulie

    The LP got trolled hard by a neocon who used to be active on the Fuck France forum around the time Bush invaded Iraq. Spike Cohen, libertarian? Give me a break. He teamed up with anarcho-communist Vermin Supreme because they both hate libertarians.

    Yeah, that’s nonsense. They are libertarians. They did have those POVs in the past, and people changed their minds. Why is that hard to grasp?

    What was the name of his alleged company which he sold that made him some money?

    Why don’t you ask him instead of acting like there’s something hard to believe about it?

  32. paulie

    Of course, so were several candidates before him. Harry was an anti-voting anarchist until he ran for president, but I think Marrou was a former Republican, Ron Paul certainly was, as was Roger McBride, and maybe others.

    From my recollection of this conversation in old threads, all except perhaps Browne had been Republicans at some point. I’m not sure if Jorgensen ever was though. She’s 63 and joined the LP over 40 years ago, so it’s at least possible she had no party affiliation at all before that. Harry Browne was already 40ish or close by the time he started preaching non-voting, so I don’t know if he was in any party prior to that.

  33. dL

    That New York Magazine article is a fucking train wreck.

    Ed Kilgore has had a crawl up his ass RE: libertarianism since the days of the “libertarian democrat” circa 2006. He’s not exactly an honest interlocutor.

  34. paulie

    Ed Kilgore has had a crawl up his ass RE: libertarianism since the days of the “libertarian democrat” circa 2006. He’s not exactly an honest interlocutor.

    He sees what he wants to see.

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