Jorgensen Praises Company’s Firing of Employee Posting ‘All Lives Matter’ on Personal Facebook

As Paul Joseph Watson reports today on Summit News, during a July 11 interview on C-SPAN, 2020 Libertarian Party presidential nominee Jo Jorgensen praised a company for firing an employee who wrote “All Lives Matter” on the employee’s personal Facebook page.  Jorgensen referred to the posting as an example of the “systemic racism” that will not be tolerated in the private sector.  She contrasted this with the racial discrimination Rosa Parks faced in the government sector in the 1950s to support Jorgensen’s thesis that it is easier to commit systemic racism in government than in a private company.

Jorgensen explains:

The government does not go out of business. They can discriminate all they want, and they just keep raising taxes. Private companies cannot discriminate as easily and get off as scot-free as the federal government.  We now see that today. There was a woman who on her private Facebook — this was highly publicized — her private Facebook put ‘All Lives Matter,’ and the company fired her. And what I’d like to make note of she wasn’t talking to or wasn’t tweeting a coworker, an employee, a customer, a client, anybody like that, and this was her private Facebook, not the company Facebook, and yet the company said ‘OK, we don’t tolerate that.’

I cannot find the exact story Jorgensen references but multiple people have lost their jobs for expressing criticism of Black Lives Matter. In June, The Federalist published an article titled “If You Don’t Support Black Lives Matter, You’re Fired,” which cites some real world examples of what Jorgensen discusses.

It states the new rules of society:

There will be no opting out of the Black Lives Matter movement. You’re either for BLM or against it—and if you’re against it, you’re a racist. You will either support BLM publicly and enthusiastically, or you will be harassed, shunned, and shamed out of mainstream America. If you dare to speak a word against BLM, you will be targeted, mobbed, and probably fired.

BLM proponents like Jorgensen consider the statement “All Lives Matter” as racist for undermining their message.

Watson disagrees:

Maybe someone should point out to Jorgensen that saying ‘all lives matter’ isn’t remotely racist and that disagreeing with this statement is in fact a racist position.

Under her ideal system, woke corporations would feel even more empowered to trample free speech, opening up millions more Americans to be viciously targeted by cancel culture mobs who intimidate and bully companies into policing their employees’ behavior.

Disputing Jorgensen’s belief that less discrimination occurs in private companies than in government, Watson argues that privately owned big tech companies use the supposed “racist” opposition to BLM to silence conservatives and libertarians on social media.  He concludes:

Presumably [Jorgensen] missed the last 4 years of rampant social media censorship, which has overwhelming targeted libertarians and conservatives.

No wonder the Libertarian Party is a national joke.

Jorgensen makes Gary Johnson look like a bastion of logic and credibility.

40 thoughts on “Jorgensen Praises Company’s Firing of Employee Posting ‘All Lives Matter’ on Personal Facebook

  1. paulie

    Sigh. This has been addressed multiple times. She expressed support for a private company firing whoever they want for whatever reasons they want, and said it’s a better way to address such issues than the heavy hand of government.

  2. paulie

    The spin from the paleo BS corner is absolutely amazing. Apparently they do want companies to be forced to bake the cake, at least when it’s a racist cake. I can’t say I am surprised.

  3. paulie

    As for “all lives matter” it sounds fine on the surface but has been used in most cases as a smarmy response to pointing out that black lives matter – ie that there has been an epidemic of systematic police brutality and murder with a distinct racial component.

    If breast cancer was being ignored to the same extent, saying breast cancer matters would be equally appropriate and responding “all cancer matters” would be equally inane.

    And how private companies choose to deal with that, or not, is between them, their customers or would be customers, and their employees or would be employees. Wasn’t that the whole point that people who faulted Johnson for his position on “bake the cake” were supposedly trying to make? Or were they being dishonest? Color me shocked.

  4. paulie

    So she’s saying that freedom of association includes freedom of dissociation, and that works better than government dictating the terms of association and dissociation – and that freedom of association/dissociation nowadays does not support racism and bigotry, but instead enforces social and economic consequences against it. That is just SO unlibertarian!

    Watson is the joke, not the LP.

  5. Jared

    Odd that shaming and shunning, essentially cancel culture, are what the “voluntaryist” ancaps have been telling us for ages would serve as an effective deterrent to potential rights violators and as a substitite for monopoly law enforcement in a formally stateless society with a polycentric legal system, where no one could be forced to submit to any body of statutory laws (even a perfectly libertarian one). I guess the expectation is that the herd will be drawn, innately or pragmatically, toward higher law and a libertarian conception of rights.

    Given how our culture’s sense of shame has been jettisoned in some areas, weaponized in others, I wonder if any voluntaryists have lost faith in the stability or universality of that model.

  6. paulie

    Yeah, they changed their minds. Opposing BLM is now more important to them than companies’ right to decide who they hire and fire. While pushing their false narrative that anyone who opposes BLM is hounded and oppressed, they want to force companies to bake the cake, as long as it’s an all white cake that says “All Lives Matter” in all-white frosting.

  7. Jared

    paulie: “The spin from the paleo BS corner is absolutely amazing.”

    Paleos do seem more interested in “thick” libertarianism these days, at least where free speech is concerned. If and when the pendulum of culture swings back toward social conservatism, I’m sure they’ll thin out again.

  8. paulie

    The crybully phenomenon is quite disconcerting.

    Contrast this laughable bullshit: “There will be no opting out of the Black Lives Matter movement. You’re either for BLM or against it—and if you’re against it, you’re a racist. You will either support BLM publicly and enthusiastically, or you will be harassed, shunned, and shamed out of mainstream America. If you dare to speak a word against BLM, you will be targeted, mobbed, and probably fired.” or this even more laughable bullshit “Disputing Jorgensen’s belief that less discrimination occurs in private companies than in government, Watson argues that privately owned big tech companies use the supposed “racist” opposition to BLM to silence conservatives and libertarians on social media. He concludes:

    Presumably [Jorgensen] missed the last 4 years of rampant social media censorship, which has overwhelming targeted libertarians and conservatives.

    The Alex Jones nut Watson has apparently missed that racist conservitudes and “libertarians” are all over social media, and not censored, Just try reading the public comments on LP social media posts, for instance those posts mourning the premeditated hate crime murder of LP member and activist Garrett Foster, who open carried at a BLM protest and put his body on the line *but did not raise or point his weapon, much less discharge it* while protecting his quadriplegic girlfriend against psychotic murderer Daniel Perry. Perry frequently and publicly fantasized about murdering BLM protesters, and then carried out his fantasy. He took his car from a stop and intentionally ran over police cones, intentionally aiming it at protesters who were peacefully crossing the street at a crosswalk. Later on he showed up to harass friends and family at Foster’s vigil.

    The vile and disgusting hate celebrating this premeditated murder in thousands and thousands of comments on LP national facebook page posts and many other places are one of the many examples of why the lying narrative above is so ridiculous. Not only are these crybullies not censored, they try to virtually shout down anyone who disagrees with them on social media, and when that fails, literally murder people, with or without badges. Some of them even call this fascism “libertarian”. It is anything but that.

  9. paulie

    Paleos do seem more interested in “thick” libertarianism these days

    They always have been. Hoppe has laid it all out very explicitly for many years now.

  10. paulie

    Paleo”libertarianism” is inherently dishonest, starting with its name. Paleoconservatism is at least a term that has some connection to logic and history, even though it’s a garbage ideology.

    Maybe someone should point out to Jorgensen that saying ‘all lives matter’ isn’t remotely racist and that disagreeing with this statement is in fact a racist position.

    What a load of manure. Something is thick alright, and it’s the stench emanating from this steaming pile of BS.

  11. Kevin

    There is bias in virtually all private organizations, even IPR. Paulie feels that saying “all lives matter” is “inane” because there is (supposedly) systemic racism in police use of force.

    The question arises, is Paulie simply not aware of the statistics, or chooses to avoid them due to a-priori assumptions? Of those people who come into confrontations with police, whites are more likely to be shot than blacks. I understand that blacks are shot at a higher proportion of the total population, but not the population of those who come into adversarial contact with police.

    Why are whites more likely to be shot? Because predominantly white neighborhoods tend to be more prosperous with less violent crime. So those stationed there, tend to discount the possibility of having to arrest violent criminal suspects, hence are not usually so well trained. Because humans tend to train for that which they anticipate.

    Elsewhere, Paulie has discounted the seriousness of the threat posed by Antifa, and sees the “right” (whatever that is) as spooky.

    Recently, I twice requested to be allowed to make original posts here. Yet I have received no reply. I think it is safe to assume, if my viewpoints were more aligned with Paulie, then I would face no such obstacle.

    Of course I disagree with Paulie’s decision (to prevent me from being able to make original posts). Though I recognize the the of IPR to act on it’s own biases. If the owner agrees. But I think this is more likely a case of the manager acting as if he owned the company.

    Jorgenson didn’t just acknowledge the private companie’s right to fire the “all lives matter” lady, she applauded their wisdom in viewing the post as racist. Paulie’s analysis is off the mark, and undermines the credibility of the website.

  12. dL

    Presumably [Jorgensen] missed the last 4 years of rampant social media censorship, which has overwhelming targeted libertarians and conservatives.

    The plumbline libertarian position on Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act didn’t let 200 years of explicit state-sanctioned discrimination against african americans detour principled opposition to the illegality of private discrimination.

  13. dL

    Paleo”libertarianism” is inherently dishonest

    Of course it is. The current pandemic has actually ushered in the theoretical Hoppean utopia. Severe travel restrictions, limited social mobility, explicit contracts to enter/use private property(be it mask requirements of social media moderation)…all in the context of the international flow of goods still taking place. This literally is the ideal regime that Hans Hoppe has espoused in his writings for the past 20-25 years.

  14. dL

    Why are whites more likely to be shot?

    A simple matter of middle school algebra. Caucasians are a greater proportion of the population. lulz. But the fact that you fear anti-fascists more than the police demonstrates that the absolute numbers don’t necessarily mean squat when it comes to the attendant risks of being detained by the police vis a vis one’s ethnicity.

  15. wolfefan

    Thanks. William, but I still am not seeing or understanding where Jorgensen praises or applauds the firing. The article seems more like a Watson op/ed than a news story about anything Jorgensen said.

  16. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Why are whites more likely to be shot?

    A simple matter of middle school algebra. Caucasians are a greater proportion of the population.

    Not so simple. It still leaves the question unanswered.

    Are whites more likely to be shot proportionate to their number in the population? If whites are 60% of the population, are they 60% more likely to be shot? Or only 55%? Or as much as 70%?

    I don’t know the answer, but to simply say “more” likely, without looking at the actual numbers, doesn’t reveal much.

  17. paulie

    The plumbline libertarian position on Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act didn’t let 200 years of explicit state-sanctioned discrimination against african americans detour principled opposition to the illegality of private discrimination.

    Except for when it comes to discrimination against dog whistling haters, then the crybully in them cries out for government intervention.

  18. paulie

    Of course it is. The current pandemic has actually ushered in the theoretical Hoppean utopia. Severe travel restrictions, limited social mobility, explicit contracts to enter/use private property(be it mask requirements of social media moderation)…all in the context of the international flow of goods still taking place. This literally is the ideal regime that Hans Hoppe has espoused in his writings for the past 20-25 years.

    All but the explicitly bigoted part, which he has also made explicit for many years.

  19. paulie

    Why are whites more likely to be shot?

    LOL who said something so counterfactual and ridiculous? Must have been Kevin. Glad I stopped reading his comments years ago and just scroll past them. I suppose it is a good thing that someone monitors them in case he crosses the line into open white nationalism or anything else that would get him booted from the comments, but I wish no one ever replied to him. Oh well, I’ll just keep scrolling past his comments anyway.

    But the fact that you fear anti-fascists more than the police demonstrates

    What he is really all about. As long as he just dog whistles I’ll just scroll past but if he ever starts extending the right hand all the way up and out, well, we know what to do.

  20. paulie

    Thanks. William, but I still am not seeing or understanding where Jorgensen praises or applauds the firing. The article seems more like a Watson op/ed than a news story about anything Jorgensen said.

    Yeah, she’s in favor of their right to do it. It’s a better way to settle these issues than having government make the decisions. Not very complicated, except for those wanting to jump through whatever hoops they have to jump through to convince themselves and anyone they can that bigotry and liberty are the same thing.

  21. paulie

    Are whites more likely to be shot proportionate to their number in the population?

    Of course not. Quite the opposite.

  22. dL

    Not so simple. It still leaves the question unanswered.

    It is simple. If caucasians are 60% of the population, african americans, 13%, then, in absolute terms, more caucasians will be detained by the police, and even if black people are something like 2- 3 times more likely to be killed in detention vs white people, the absolute numbers of deaths for caucasians in detention will nonetheless be greater. Given that, if you are presented with a blank statistic about someone being killed the night before while in police custody, and not knowing the identity of the person killed, you were asked to guess the person’s ethnicity, the more likely guess would be that the person killed was white. That being said, given a white man detained by the police vs a black man detained by police, the black dude in custody/detention would have a greater likelihood of being killed vs the white dude.

  23. dL

    All but the explicitly bigoted part, which he has also made explicit for many years.

    To be fair, I never read Hoppe to explicitly call for an apartheid regime…that is, white people are free to move about but everyone else requires government permission/license. Hoppe’s position was that invited-trespass contract anarcho-capitalism applied to everyone, but anarcho-capitalism itself could only work for heterosexual white christians. However, now that everyone has gotten a full taste of the intolerability of the Hoppean regime in practice, I imagine the Hoppebots will be making a full pivot to apartheid, arguing the need for the liberty of movement for white christians as a form of affirmative action to remedy google social media moderation. And I’m not really being facetious, because that is how much of a grift operation paleo-libertarianism is.

  24. paulie

    To the extent they were ever closeted, which was always a fig leaf at best, they are increasingly dropping the pretense.

  25. dL

    To the extent they were ever closeted, which was always a fig leaf at best, they are increasingly dropping the pretense.

    Mises in his book, Liberalism in the Classic Tradition, wrote facism/nazism was a necessary evil to beat back the Bolsheviks in Germany. So, it’s not a surprise–when the shit hits the fan–that many of his adherents are a chip off the ole block. That passage in the book, Pinochet and the chicago boys…that stuff was pooh pooh’ed over the years by many a libertarian. But, in retrospect, it shouldn’t have been.

  26. SocraticGadfly

    Per Paulie, Watson, as Alex Jones’ right hand man, has no idea what reason and logic are, period and end of story.

    That said, as for Watson’s specific complaint?

    Uhh, no. It’s leftism that faces the heavy hand of business.

  27. SocraticGadfly

    @DL: And, the American Indian would be even more likely to be killed than the White OR the Black arrested by cops.

  28. dL

    @DL: And, the American Indian would be even more likely to be killed than the White OR the Black arrested by cops.

    yes, and i don’t overlook that.

  29. dL

    Per Paulie, Watson, as Alex Jones’ right hand man, has no idea what reason and logic are, period and end of story.

    Sadly, there is a definite market failure for reason and logic in the marketplace of ideas these days.

  30. Gene Berkman

    dL – in “Liberalismus” published in 1927 – translated as “Liberalism:in the Classical Tradition ” Mises did say the Fascists saved Italy from the Bolsheviks. He did not praise the Nazis.
    In 1943 Mises wrote “Omnipotent Government:The Rise of the Total State and Total War” in which he delivered a devastating attack on German National Socialism. You can read “Omnipotent Government” online or listen to it (for free) @ https://mises.org/library/omnipotent-government-rise-total-state-and-total-war

  31. dL

    dL – in “Liberalismus” published in 1927 – translated as “Liberalism:in the Classical Tradition ” Mises did say the Fascists saved Italy from the Bolsheviks. He did not praise the Nazis.

    I didn’t say he praised the Nazis. In fact, you don’t need to reference outside material to find Mises’ critique of fascism. There’s a lengthy critique/deconstruction of fascism in “Liberalism: in the Classic Tradition,” which is how most in the past would deflect criticism RE: the passage previously cited.

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