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Weeks after asking Trump for a cabinet level position in exchange for his endorsement, Kennedy is now asking Harris for a cabinet level position in exchange for his dropping out and endorsing her.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/14/rfk-jr-kamala-harris-cabinet-trump/
I wonder what McArdle would think of that. Right after she caused such dissension in the party pushing through her joint fundraiser, Kennedy turns around and drops out, leaving her with no money raised and a party more fractured than ever. Worse (from McArdle’s perspective), he could endorse Harris rather than Trump.
According to the FEC Form 3P, the amounts raised in June 2024 by the top alternative Presidential candidates are:
Robert F Kennedy Jr. (I) $6,365,394.12
Jill Stein (G) 300,260.22
Chase Oliver (L) 87,227.27
Cornell West (I) 63,581.91
Randall Terry (C) 24,529.99
Claudia De La Cruz (S&L) 19,478.08
Green Party presidential candidate Dr. Jill Stein told NewsNation in an interview on Thursday that she has no plans to exit the race following President Biden’s withdrawal and VP Kamala Harris’s subsequent entry. Stein remarked there’s “no daylight” between the two.
Link: https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/green-party-candidate-stay-presidential-race/
The American Communist Party released a public declaration Sunday, claiming to be the reconstitution of the Communist Party USA. The declaration includes a list of specific grievances that signatories have with CPUSA leadership, as well as a list of clubs that are allegedly supporting the new effort. Since the document was made public; however, several listed clubs in the declaration have pushed back against being included, stating they were listed without consent. An article exploring the situation in greater detail is underway; however, new information is being presented in real time.
Readers can find the declaration as presented on the party’s website here: https://acp.us/declaration
Oh and if you follow up what Brian ‘Dishonest’ Doherty means by “Harlos has been upbraided publicly on the LNC’s business email list by McArdle for daring to place the L.P.’s nominee on her state’s ballot rather than Kennedy”, it’s the following pathetically mild and timid mail:
“We are at freedomfest trying to fundraise and do work. This week is not convenient for any meeting and you know that. You didn’t run any of this by me. A time sensitive fundraising need and opportunity have arisen so we will meet and do what needs to be done.
You will not usurp my authority as chair. You have taken unilateral actions this week that have put us at risk of legal action. To be clear, you acted outside the scope of your authority when you sent that form to the SOS, knowing that lpco had entered into a written agreement with Kennedy. Now you want to rope us in and have us sanction your actions and possibly take legal action or involve us if you are sued for it.
I want to make it abundantly clear you had no authority to do so and I did not know about it. We are not getting pulled into a lawsuit on your behalf.
I’ve also learned that you have personally threatened to sue lpco and sent a demand letter, so you have a serious conflict of interest here and should not even be voting on any legal action from this board.
Angela McArdle
LNC Chair”
Such upbraid. So public. Wow. XD
“This week the secretary of the Libertarian National Committee (LNC), Caryn Ann Harlos, used her legal authority as national secretary to submit the Oliver/ter Maat ticket to Colorado’s secretary of state office anyway.”
That’s not how that works. The national secretary does not have the legal authority to submit a ticket for the Colorado party. If she has any footing to stand on, it is that she acted in her capacities within the LPCO, which I am given to understand she had already quit in protest before filing the paperwork with the secretary of states office.
“Colorado takes issue with Oliver making the personal choice to wear a mask during COVID-19, insufficiently defending his opponent Donald Trump from accusations made against him, and being arguably more consistently libertarian than it is on minors’ right to make choices about their medical care in alliance with parents and doctors. […] Oliver sticks firmly to the libertarian idea that the state should not interfere with the decisions a parent, child, and doctor make about chemical or surgical gender-change interventions”
Gee, I wonder why Reason has a reputation among libertarians for being a dishonest and statist…
“The implied allegation in that video is that Oliver is insufficiently red-pilled—too normie, too willing to accept what McArdle calls ‘mainstream narratives’ (such as that, say, COVID-19 could be deadly and some precautions might prevent its spread, or that Trump may have committed some crimes and that him being tried for them might be justified).”
Yet another EXplicit lie worthy of the mainstream fake-news media that Reason aspires to be part of.
“For his part, Oliver has been out on the road conducting an ordinary presidential campaign, including public appearances, media spots, and advertising.”
Ordinary presidential campaigns include advertising drag queen story hour? Author Doherty should try that on in a country where people are not forced by the state to allow pedophiles to violate the NAP towards their children.
“To Dasbach, Oliver’s position on trans issues is ‘straight out of the party platform’ with its support for medical freedom for individuals and for parental rights against state interference.”
This must be some new LP platform which doesn’t include Plank 1.5 and isn’t available on lp.org yet…
“Dasbach also has found some Libertarians erroneously believe Oliver supported mask or vaccine mandates merely because he personally chose to wear a mask or socially distance in some circumstances.”
Yes, I’m sure it’s as a result of his personal choices and has nothing to do with him telling everyone that we must wear a mask, stay home, socially distance, undergo untested and unsafe gene-therapies masquerading as tested and safe vaccines, or else we are irresponsible and dangerous, or praising executive orders which give private business the right to mandate such gene-therapy for private individuals.
“‘We are not attempting to tilt the election one way or the other,’ Dasbach says. ‘We are seeking people fed up with the choice between Biden and Trump irrespective of whether they lean left or right.'”
By appealing only to the left through a woke campaign platform? I’m sure that won’t tilt the election in traitor Trump’s favor.
What a uniformly dishonest piece. It must have taken Doherty every ounce of statism to shit this one out.
https://reason.com/2024/07/11/the-libertarian-party-vs-chase-oliver/
Thank you, Jordan (and George and Joe), and my apologies for inundating you in multiple attempts to post (variations of) the same comment.
Sometimes the site shows the comment with a little header “This comment is awaiting moderation”, in which case I know it has been received server-side. But other times the comments seems to just disappear into the void, in which case I am unsure whether it ever arrived and sometimes attempt to make it again.
This past 24 hours the latter was consistently the case, so I fear I may have spammed you in many copies of the same comments. Sorry for that!
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Thanks, Jordan. He seems pretty adamant about his eligibility ( https://shiva4president.com/faq#3 ), I wonder whether he will bother trying to sue Wyoming. Not that I give him much chance of winning such a suit, should he bring it.
As of this moment, I don’t believe so. He has submitted signatures in several other states, but they’ve not been successful thus far (New Mexico, New York, and Wyoming). New Mexico and New York were due to insufficient signatures, whereas I recall Wyoming having to do with being a natural born citizen. Looking on the Wyoming Secretary of State’s website now for active independent petitions, I see petitions for three other presidential candidates but not him.
Has Shiva Ayyadurai secured ballot access in any state besides Utah yet?
According to the New Mexico Secretary of State’s office, Cornel West and Shiva Ayyadurai have both failed to make the state ballot for the general election. Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s name is also not listed, but she still expects to be placed on the ballot, per her last ballot access report card.
Link: https://candidateportal.servis.sos.state.nm.us/CandidateList.aspx?eid=2882&cty=99
As an aside, we may explore Shiva Ayyadurai’s campaign in greater detail in the coming weeks. He has been briefly discussed in the open thread before and has been actively trying to appear on multiple state ballots.
English isn’t my first, as in original, language, either. It’s my best language at this point. I’m conversational in my original language (Russian). I’m getting better at it again after having left the US. I was conversational in Italian, Spanish, and Hebrew at various points, but need a lot of brushing up. Smattering of German, French, Yiddish, Portuguese, etc.
Without you telling me, I’m going to guess your primary language is Arabic. You can confirm, deny, or not answer. I won’t pry further. I realize posting here can get you in trouble in some of those countries, even if not now potentially in the future. So, I’m not going to ask much of anything. My only interest is on being mutually understood.
I write very fast, so spelling and grammar errors are pretty ubiquitous. I don’t go back and fix them. It helps to keep my English from deteriorating further to participate here, but it’s not as bad as my writing might indicate.
@Actually maybe you are right, but I have not slept well that day, so my English got even poorer than normal xD
Let’s see if I can improve my writing for now. But yeah, you are right that the thing is very fascinating, both the good and the bad parts of it. It helps that internet, English language and a large population makes American politics and ideology more accessible everywhere than, let’s say, Japanese, French or German one.
@Nuna, for what I got from their website they seems to have an “internationalist liberal” foreign policy, in other words, they are not isolationists neither nationalists, and still want USA to influence the rest of world, but through diplomacy instead of military presence. It’s still a kind of pacifism, I guess, but I agree that it’s not good, and seems at best very naive to think this entanglement through diplomacy would not lead to more chaos and war… at least, unlike the democrats who pretended to support diplomacy against the neocons, these guys are sincere, even if naive.
Of course when we get so many parties spread everywhere in the political spectrum it’s hard to have any agreement, so the “anti-war position” of each one will vary wildly.
About my country, let’s just say (as you can see by my failed English) that I’m from a nation Trump would have a called a s***hole… and unfortunately he would be right in saying that…
Biden? He’ll stay in as long as he can hang on by his fingernails, and as long as he can to assure someone identified as a black female succeeds him.
Having a lot of schadenfreude at the troubles of one of the two major parties at the moment.
My gut says he stays.
I didn’t read the latest from the troll. If I read any of its babbling, it’s only accidentally, and only very short posts. I try to scroll past those, too.
My goal at this point is not to adress it, and certainly not to read its drivel just because it insists on addressing me. I may occasionally mention that my comment e.g. Referring to “my last comment below yours” does not refer to it when I say yours.
It really is too bad WordPress does not have a block feature. It would improve the utility of their software tremendously.
@Actually
You know, you could have just ignored me and said nothing regarding my response to Tebas Tet, instead of complaining about how bad IPR is because won’t allow you to barricade yourself in an echo-chamber. If I were a troll like you claim, which I am not – I am 100% sincere and genuine – but if I were a troll, then you are doing the worst possible thing you could do, by not only giving me attention but also lashing out at others because you are angry at me. Stop it. Get some help.
@Tebas Tet
It also seems to me that the best performances are by independents rather than third party candidates.
Sure Robert Kennedy Jr., Ralph Nader, Ross Perot and Henry Wallace all use(d) party nominations to gain ballot access, but they remain(ed) very much independent from the third parties under whose label they ran/run.
I guess that also helps with maintaining a broader appeal. For example, I think that RFK would have lost more votes than he gained if the Libertarian Party had nominated him.
Purely out of my personal curiosity, may I ask where you are from? Only if you want to say, of course, and feel free to be as specific or vague as you like.
Below your last was
@ Tebas, not @ the troll.
Unfortunately, this site doesn’t let me block it, like FB or X or better designed software do.
Before than in the comment before your last should have been
Be on in more than
@Tebas Tet
It depends a lot on how you want to see it, but in my opinion the ASP is very much in favor of foreign intervention and sees the US as some sort of world police force.
For example, presidential candidate Peter Sonski believes the US should:
– continue to provide military supplies, funding and defensive aid to Ukraine
– provide equal support to Israel and “Palestine”
– support a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
– end support for Benjamin Netanyahu’s government
– defend other NATO members even if they do not meet contributions
– remain in NATO
– continue the production of F-35 stealth fighters
In addition, the American Solidarity Party believes the US should:
– influence foreign elections in the interest of security, but not for monetary interests
– fly military drones over foreign countries to gain intelligence and kill suspected terrorists, but only with permission from the country in question
– seek to maintain a global balance of power
– capture and abduct suspected terrorists from foreign soil so that they can stand trial
So while they wrap it in flowery faux-pacifist language, when push comes to shove they seem very much interested perpetuating and profiting from war.
To illustrate this, here are some partial quotes from their
Taken from their website (https://www.solidarity-party.org/platform):
“Peace is not merely an absence of war, but the positive presence of justice and charity among people and among nations.”
“We insist that the United States must end unilateral military intervention in foreign countries, except as a response to an actual or imminent attack on the United States or to a catastrophic threat to international security for which there is no multilateral response and we have no formal declaration of war.”
“We call for Congress to reassert its war-making powers granted by the Constitution and the War Powers Act”
“We call for the United States to lead the effort to rid the world of nuclear weapons”
They are anti-war in the same way Stalin was against theft and murder…
That is, they will each be below 0.5%.
Except for Kennedy, I don’t think any of them will come closer to 1% than zero. I don’t think any of them, including Kennedy, will have a single electoral vote.
I realize you’re not American. I was suggesting you might be easier to understand if you try the translation service. Actually, you’ll be even easier to understand with a “Rosetta stone” approach: your comment in your primary language, your own translation, and a Google translate version.
I find American politics morbidly fascinating and repulsive. I don’t live there anymore, either, and I’m not originally from there, but I lived there for decades and was/am a US Citizen.
@Nuna, is not the American Solidarity Party pacifist and anti-war? Is what I get from its description in Wikipedia. Anyway, there are the “centrist” parties like No Labels who are more like an average of mainstream Republicans and Democrats, and so being more establishmentarian they are not anti-war. But what you said is interesting, the best performance by third parties and independents are these with more broad appeal than established ideologies, although unfortunately still not enough to win
@Actually no google translator, I’m not American (neither an immigrant there), but I find American politics interesting (specially the Third Parties) and so I like to read about it in Wikipedia, blogs, site news (as this one) etc. I think your analysis is right, except for Kennedy I doubt anyone will make more than 1% or 2%.
Are you using Google translate? If I’m guessing what you mean correctly: ballot access is getting harder. Libertarians in particular will do poorly. Worst results for them since 1980s, if not 1970s, by any and all measures. I expect the Constitution and Green parties to have better ballot access and performance than in 2020 due to stronger candidates. Kennedy will do better than any third potus candidate since 1992. I don’t think West got an early or quick enough start to ballot access to get on in very many states. Past that, no one will before than a tiny handful of states.
Unfortunately, not all of the third parties can even agree on war and foreign policy though, the American Solidarity Party and America’s Party for example, only on being anti-duopoly. All third parties would have to unite as a single monolithic None of the Above Party, which, as you say, they could never bring themselves to do. So the closest thing we ever get are one-off third party candidates, such as Robert Kennedy Jr., Ralph Nader, Ross Perot and Henry Wallace, who have a relatively broad appeal but still don’t manage to gather anywhere near a fraction of enough votes to win the election.
Btw, I have the feeling that this year the ballot access seems to be harsher than in last one (where Jo Jorgensen was in ballot in all states), do you think it will be really as that (the Democrats are doing judicial maneuvers to remove the alternatives from the ballot, according to news here), or when the election approach more states will give access to the independent and third parties?
Sometimes I amuse myself thinking about a kind of Third Party unified candidacy, to unite all votes from people unsatisfied with the two only options they actually have. Maybe with a deal so each of them govern a part of USA (Greens get the most liberal states as the Coasts, Constitution the Bible Belt, Libertarians get Nevada, Colorado and the such etc.). Like making the United States a kind of actually a union of domestically independent states, as it was in the birth of the country.
Independents and third parties disagree about a lot of thing, but all these candidates agree with at least two things: they are anti-war and critical of Washington duoparty foreign policy, and of course against this duopoly. This unified candidacy could center on this issue and in the idea of different people living in a different way, so people could “vote with their feet” (as they sometimes do when they leave certain states for ideological reasons, as California and New York). Of course it is utopian wishful thinking and it will never happen, but one can dream…