From an article by Lou Grieco in the Dayton Daily News (Dayton, OH); posted online on Wednesday, March 16, 2011:
Eric W. Deaton, the former Constitution Party candidate for U.S. Senate accused of having sex with a teenage girl, pleaded no contest Wednesday to two misdemeanor counts.
Deaton, 43, of New Lebanon, was indicted on one count of unlawful sex with a minor, a felony. He went to trial on that charge in January in Montgomery County Common Pleas Court, but when a jury deadlocked, a visiting judge declared a mistrial on Jan. 6.
No, I do not know Bugs Bunny.
= And you prove my point even further.
Everybody knows who Bugs Bunny is. Well, everybody except you, LOL.
Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement // Mar 28, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Lake’s aliases, unlike Quirk boy ————- I have none ……………
No, I do not know Bugs Bunny.
FWIW, I doubt that “maroon” is a spelling mistake. I think it’s a reference to Bugs Bunny, who regularly called people “maroons.”
= Correct! However I didn’t say anything until now to see if Lake would get it eventually, and obviously he didn’t, which is quite funny.
– Congrats Don, you officially don’t know jack.
Sorry about your experience LG.
We all have our moments.
Cody Quirk is a WAYYYY cooler name than any of Lakes or Gains aliases… its memorable:)
= You bet Girl 😉
“You are entitled to your opinion,
You deserve your opinion,
You are the one whom shouts
‘I am honest, I type under my own, real
name’, while typing under another name.
You are caught with the fact that I’m a dum dum
that doesn’t have a life and is still a virgin that
wets his pants. You are cooler then I am while I
am a loser that will never be taken serious on
IPR or any other chat room that the nurses
would allow me to use…………———–”
= Whatever Don. Get a life and don’t be wasting your life on a computer.
any of Lake’s aliases, unlike Quirk boy ————- I have none ……………
= I’m sorry, I apologize if I insulted your other personalities, I was only meaning to offend just you and not those other ‘people’ inside your brain.
I hope they understand my intentions now.
BTW, just buy a football helmet instead of wrapping tee pee around your head- you’d look a little less stupid that way.
any of Lake’s aliases, unlike Quirk boy ————- I have none ……………
oh trust the dude was not significantly ahead of me in maturity or sexual experience and thats all that ill say about that:) the trauma came solely from my parents and the state and my guilt
I am so sorry you went through that LG 🙁 Young people deserve to go through learning about themselves at a pace that is not influenced by people significantly ahead of them in maturity.
No one deserves to be a toy in someone’s sexual games. When the state enters into the picture, it can sometimes feel like they are also in society causing trauma as another player in unfair games.
it was horrible , i was forced by my parents to do a rape kit which was beyond humiliating , plus eddie-that was his name – his life was probably ruined and I felt a ton of guilt over it.
In California Today, you and your boyfriend would probably be on that registry yourselves.
Wow, LG, that’s a horrible story. Your boyfriend had to
leave school over it–that’s a big deal.
Hi Don –
FWIW, I doubt that “maroon” is a spelling mistake. I think it’s a reference to Bugs Bunny, who regularly called people “maroons.”
Cody Quirk is a WAYYYY cooler name than any of Lakes or Gains aliases… its memorable:)
I guess Im a sex offender- when I was 15 , my boyfriend was 19 and in college , entirely enbeknownst to my mother. well one night i went to a party and got so trashed i had to spend the night in the dorm with him. Well a snitchy cousin told on me and when i went to leave in the morning campus police were waiting for me. My BF was charged with stat rape and had to leave school , in the spirit of holding both willing parties responsible I was charged with Statutory Sexual Seduction….nothing became of it like incarceration or even counseling that I can remember– it was sealed when I became 18.
I probably shoulnt of shared this but I just did , so there…
You are entitled to your opinion,
You deserve your opinion,
You are the one whom shouts
‘I am honest, I type under my own, real
name’, while typing under another name.
You are caught with multi named posts
under Aunt Nadine’s IP address, You
complain of other’s spelling errors while
using misspellings, ‘Maroon’ for moron ….
You complain of grammatical errors,
while abusing the same. Your own relative
in the Year’s End Review of your own party
does not mention you until a brief,
perfunctuary notice at the very end of
the page. A multi year trend. Folks here are
not mindless, go along sheep. They have
brains; they have eyes —— they are free
to use their own judgments.
-Says that man that lacks any form of mental reasoning
Liar!
Well actually I’m jealous, because you have way more various monikers then I do- talk about the man of a thousand faces!
To Cody Quirk // Mar 27, 2011:
you maroon ……… of various monikers from the same IPs
There are now literally millions of “sex criminals”, most of them unconvicted.
How many naked photos have underaged kids sent each other in the past five or ten years? It’s a crime to create it, it’s a crime to send it, it’s a crime to receive it, and it’s a crime to possess it. Yet there are those millions who have done it.
And if they’re sending naked photos of each other, it’s a pretty sure bet they’re not just trading images.
“Sex criminal” has lost its meaning, if it ever had any.
It serves today mainly as a method to remove large portions of the citizenry from having basic constitutional rights — just like most other ‘crimes’.
Now if we’re talking ‘voluntary’ vs. ‘involuntary’, that’s a different matter.
LG @75:
I don’t think he ever considered them friends, but I do know that he extended them a great deal of personal trust he feels they violated with purpose.
From what I have seen I have a great deal of faith that the “hapless axe” has put every effort to conflict resolution at appropriate levels trying his hardest not to be used as an object to harm the party infrastructure or to mar it’s facade. His choices are fight or die (literally) with a fine line to dance on if he is in a corner.
Especially in escallated circumstance it is a socially advanced non-coerced consideration that I would not so much expect from the Southern Vice Chair based on public history; but, probably should out of any non-amateur in any serious endeavor.
I bet that if there were an assurance of de-escalation rather than an environment of active coercion from party leadership everyone involved (which thanks to the acts of a few very nasty people is all membership in California) would be much happier people: Each doing their civic duty in engaging the system by which law is overseen with alacrity and empathy for how their actions affect their fellow man… especially their allies regardless of parties.
The hapless axe has never sought personal attention from the public. He is not a public person; he is determined to appropriately engage the system by which the state and its authority is structured by. He is however, capable of withstanding a lot if challenged, and is proven very difficult to kill.
I have no idea if this is useful or true, but I imagine that the hapless axe holds no animosity towards people reacting in fear or shock at such accusations. For what it could have been, people having strong feelings on the subject is very healthy.
p.s I love me some Seebecks:)
I was very vocal over the Matt Barnes incident , while I agree my gut reaction was justified , I am also ashamed I did not in fact get both sides of the story , and I apologize for that.
The truth is this dog ( the story) has been beaten to death . Matthew has been accordingly flogged , tarred and feathered sufficiently and I dont feel any further discussion is necessary.
But Gains , you are adding fuel to your own fire by becoming overly defensive and making long , drawn out argumants , that you know other folk will start debating and then , well , here comes that whole ugly can of worms.
lets put it to rest
There is an on going leveraging of Mr. Barnes as an object in the LP which has me concerned. It was Mr. Quirk who brought it up again and also reposted the questionable “article”. Whether anyone else wants it brought up or not is questionable.
In response to Mr. Quirks remarks and dogged tracing of the story and recent by-laws proposals in the California LP. It appears that Mr. Quirk and Mr. Seebeck, at the least, want to keep the story alive. So for a little sunshine, I felt narrative as I understand it may be appropriate to illuminate some key points.
Like any multi-faceted thing there are reflections depending on where you look at it. This story has several very interesting characters in it that did some inappropriate and possibly criminal things simply to stroke their egos and push their private wishes on the LP subversively. There are more LP war stories as well that may or may not one day be told. I prefer a setting of beer and pretzels or smores and campfire for most such epic tales.
I don’t think that Mr. Barnes is a victim; I don’t think he is the axe murderer either. I think he is the unfortunate and unwilling axe that Mr. Quirk and a few others have recently picked up. I also think that to participate in such activities seems quite predatory. So, I question Mr. Quirks actions and motives:
How sir is your political strategy moved forward by leveraging lies, slander, criminal harassment and a very failed attempt at defrauding a party by a slate of morons?
Were I Mr. Quirk I would have responded to that rude comment @7 with something different, had I a better understanding and an agenda not withstanding.
Right now, the LP is being maneuvered to adopt by laws that significantly change membership. Some of them are overt, others are quite sneaky. The report is like back to 20 something proposals again (all from like one person) after several years of sensibly sized reports in a de-escalated environment. The events that are being leveraged to push those by-laws through should probably be examined without ad hominem used to distract, don’t you think?
For over half a century I have considered only one punishment for multi partner relationships, that being ‘multi partner relationships’!
= For over half a month I have considered only one punishment for the rantings of Donald Raymond Lake, that being ‘Donald Raymond Lake’!
Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorcement= Citizens For a Better Veterans Home = Don Lake, a toilet paper wrapping loser that has countless aliases and no sense of proper grammar
Quicksilver messenger Service = Coby Quirk ???????
Cody Quirk // Mar 25, 2011:
Quirk Boy / under various IPs = In that logic, then the same should be done with polygamous, and even polyandrous marriages; if we’re not going to prohibit gay marriage anywhere, then what’s the point to banning other forms of marriage?
Lake = Fifty years ago I pondered why governments had to get involve in marriage, short of lower age limits and the developmentally disabled, in any form.
For over half a century I have considered only one punishment for multi partner relationships, that being ‘multi partner relationships’!
I wish I could say I had not.
QMS @ 63- Tell me about it! Ever read the nonsense from Mark Seidenberg?
When I think of the CP in Ohio, I will think of the infamous Mr. Deaton.
= I guess the infamous Mr. Barnes can also be thought of when I think of the California LP- well, according to your logic.
I have no idea who this Barnes dude is in Ohio.
= Because he doesn’t live in Ohio, moron.
You just killed your credibility there, congrats.
Who really cares, the LP in Ohio got over a million votes– more than all the other third parties combined from what I see on the Ohio SOS site.
= Yet the LP doesn’t do that well in other states, especially mine. Sorry to admit it.
Is there any difference between the behavior of a stupid teenage kid and that of a middle-age mature adult ? I think so.
= Agreed. But at least I’m neither.
QMS @ 63: You mean, it doesn’t???
Californians always think the world revolves around them 🙂
When I think of the CP in Ohio, I will think of the infamous Mr. Deaton. I have no idea who this Barnes dude is in Ohio. Who really cares, the LP in Ohio got over a million votes– more than all the other third parties combined from what I see on the Ohio SOS site.
Is there any difference between the behavior of a stupid teenage kid and that of a middle-age mature adult ? I think so.
Gains, your story of what happened in the months preceding last year’s California convention varies from the truth in many places. Do you REALLY want this drudged up? I might be able to find your rap sheet in time for the next convention in two weeks.
Also, you as the victim isn’t working, at least not for me.
Really do either “represent” in their weakest moments anyone other than themselves? What is this game of counter-balance? Tit for tat? Really?
Who do we encourage and what do we instill with these mores?
Gains, why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
Mr. Barnes is still on the sex offender registry, and will be forever tainted by it- so no Libertarian can criticize the CP over Eric Deaton when the situation with Mr. Barnes also serves as a counter-weight.
CQ @53:
Notice that Mr. Colliers name is in the story more often than Mr. Barnes and the reporter is careful to refer to him as authority in all that is controversial. The math on the age also does not jibe demonstrating the severe lack of due diligence in the “reporter” (and those who reposted it without review.) Those are the easy to point at falsities, there are more that might take more specialized knowledge like it is not possible for an 18 year old to be an adult Scout Master or Assistant Scout Master, the position is for 21 and up only.
According to the editor for a nominal fee, Mr. Barnes could get them to do a follow up and correct the article. Pay to print weeklies are not authoritative sources. Too bad Mr. Collier didn’t spend his allowance on promoting a freedom candidate. Matter of fact his entire term of Southern Vice Chair was little more than him occasionally showing up at executive committee meetings and whining about his terrible depressions that prevented him from writing a report.
Presumably he was not a member of the party any more when he betrayed their trust and exposed executive session business to the public. Previously Mr. Collier had quit in protest after the Judicial Committee threw out his irresponsible accusations that were not part of the Executive Committee’s referral. But he apparently jumps in and out of membership status at will.
The terrible truth is that Mr. Collier
did not investigate the matter fully. Mr. Barnes’ family members have related stories of him calling them and trying to get them to create a story, threatening them that if they “protected” Mr. Barnes they also would be dragged into a public circus. When that failed and he found nothing to take to the judicial committee. He trumped up a bunch of accusations and failed miserably to demonstrate them, hoping instead he could intimidate Mr. Barnes through his family, friends and loved ones.
When he realized he was caught red handed but protected (he thought) by the confidentiality of the JudCom, he then orchestrated a trail at the last convention. A trial in which the accused, Mr. Barnes, was locked out and not allowed to address any of the evidence brought against him. Unfortunately for Mr. Collier and his cohorts, even a kangaroo court saw through the lies and vindictiveness and like the Judicial Committee rejected the motion failing to even bring the question to the floor. What was clear to everyone was the personal vendetta at the heart of the matter.
The membership was not fooled; his plans were foiled and he was foisted on this own petard. It seems clear to me that that news article is Mr. Colliers sad schizoid reaction to failure and his sociopathy exposed. It is him trying to maintain the illusions and lies he and Mr. Seebeck and their merry band of psychopaths tried to promulgate in whisper campaigns and failed…
The truth is that what ever happened 25 years ago with Mr. Barnes, and no one seems to be able to say exactly what it was, has not repeated and in California people are allowed to engage in the electoral process with a past record if they are one of the rare ones that can get through it and off of parole.
Mr. Barnes was not found guilty by a preponderance of evidence by a judge nor a jury, nor was any evidence ever tried or tested for truth. Mr Barnes did not admit guilt nor sustain any of the charges. When he was a teen ager, the matter was investigated and dropped. It was stupid kid shit and Mr. Barnes was no longer welcome to be a Boy Scout but the police dropped the matter with little investigation. 6 years later, the law changed retroactively and enforcement rules went to zero tolerance and they reopened all cases still in the statute of limitations with prejudice.
Mr. Barnes went to prison when he decided not to let the state hurt people he owed a debt to already and told the state to do their will. The judge mentioned only that Mr. Barnes had not finished a traditional high school as his reason for not reducing the charges to misdemeanors and granting probation.
I can tell you that Mr. Barnes knows he did wrong back in his teen years, does especially mourn the breach of trust given to him by good people, and has worked very hard to live as exemplary a life as he can humanly muster since. That was the stated debt he was burdened with by the people he hurt when they confronted him 25 years ago as a screwed up teenager.
The Libertarian principles were, according to him, a large influence in his better sorting out right from wrong as adults (some the very people he betrayed trust from) in his life intervened and helped him find a better path. He figured out in those lessons with rationality, reason, and empathy where lines were and why and determined that sex with people of significant age difference is morally treacherous enough to just stay the hell away from it. His personal boundaries are more strict than most people’s.
What you may find really interesting from Mr. Barnes yourself, was the conversation he had with Mr. Collier regarding a “plan to overthrow and destroy the AIP.” Mr. Barnes was far more interested in helping LP county parties establish themselves after UMP changed in the LP and threw them and the state into chaos. Collier told Mr. Barnes he lacked a killer instinct. Mr. Barnes told Mr. Collier he had learned that hurting people doesn’t get you ahead, it just weakens the market and destroys potential future allies. But it did make a long range careful thinker like Mr. Barnes think to do a little homework. Maybe you should too. 😉
Cody, I think you have the Libertarian position a little confused. I’d have to look for the thread here, but we had a nice conversation on Libertarian philosophy and states rights a couple of weeks ago. Long conversation short, Libertarians aren’t in favor of states rights – they’re in favor of personal rights.
= Not really, I already know that Libertarians favor personal rights over states rights. However I’m a Independent American and my philosophy is different.
We’re as interested in watching states and cities infringe upon the rights of their citizens as we are watching the federal government infringe upon the rights of its citizens.
= Which is why there’s the 14th Amendment and also why you work through the government and the courts to legally change such tyrannical laws. Here in Nevada, the IAP and the Hansen family lawyers sure do such a thing.
Or if that doesn’t work, then move to a different state or county that doesn’t have such tyrannical laws; I myself moved out of California for that reason.
Granted, some of us are willing to use states rights as a tool to prove to the nation at large what the benefits of strong personal liberty are, but we don’t believe states inherently should have rights any more than we believe any other level of government should have rights.
= The rights that they were given that wasn’t given to Congress, the Executive, or Judicial Branches in the US Constitution are entitled to the states to exercise and enjoy as stated in the 10th Amendment, and that should be taken literally, word-by-word.
Us Independent Americans believe the US Constitution sets the best standards on personal liberty… Though the 16th and even the 17th Amendments are open to question.
Regarding marriage, you could ask a million libertarians and get a million answers on the subject, ranging anywhere from “governments shouldn’t be involved in marriage, period” to “governments should allow any two consenting adults to get married,” and several positions in between.
= Same story with Independent Americans and like-minded constitutionalists; but the general consensus among us is to keep the current status quo of leaving it to the states to decide and regulate, and keep out congress and the federal government from interfering in that institution!
The same could be argued on the matter of drug laws too, though that would be getting into another subject.
I’m personally in favor of a little of both; I think there’s value in maintaining the legal institution currently represented by marriage, along with the hundreds of years of legislative and judicial fine-tuning included in the concept. Since “marriage” also has religious importance, though, I think it’s time we decouple the legal concept of marriage from the civil part. Functionally, at least in my mind, this would involve legally allowing civil unions between any two consenting adults (even straight ones) and leaving whether it should be called a “marriage” or not to the couple and the religious figure of their choice.
= And again, its up to the states and their people on whether they want to change their marriage laws to meet your description, or not.
I was disappointed that Nevadans didn’t get to vote on the ballot about the new law that legalized civil unions, since the way our system of government is set up in this state, the people get the final say. However, there hasn’t been any efforts to get rid of the law, and I personally don’t have too much qualms with civil unions in my state, since currently there are more important matters on focus on at hand.
As for polygamy and the like, I haven’t seen a legal framework that’s adopted it as acceptable behavior outside of a Heinlein novel that wouldn’t involve returning women to the status of livestock, so, until sufficient Americans feel like tackling the problem according to modern sensibilities, I don’t think it would be a good idea.
= Besides the middle-east, its legal in Holland.
However, unlike the sick perverted way its practiced by the ‘FLDS’ Church- the LDS Church did it differently back then- only the most worthy members of the church could have more then one wife, women married into such relationships specifically at the legal age, and also could divorce their husbands as well.
But even if polygamy were legalized today- there’s no way in hell I would practice it either; I could never handle that kind of stress!
Cody, I think you have the Libertarian position a little confused. I’d have to look for the thread here, but we had a nice conversation on Libertarian philosophy and states rights a couple of weeks ago. Long conversation short, Libertarians aren’t in favor of states rights – they’re in favor of personal rights. We’re as interested in watching states and cities infringe upon the rights of their citizens as we are watching the federal government infringe upon the rights of its citizens. Granted, some of us are willing to use states rights as a tool to prove to the nation at large what the benefits of strong personal liberty are, but we don’t believe states inherently should have rights any more than we believe any other level of government should have rights.
To quote Ayn Rand: “Rights? At whose expense?”
Governments cannot have “rights” except at the cost of its citizens. This is why the Constitution was so important – it was the first governing document that acknowledged that and governed accordingly. That doesn’t mean the Constitution did a perfect job of that, though. Slavery would be the most obvious flaw baked into the original design, though there are others that have cropped up from time to time.
Regarding marriage, you could ask a million libertarians and get a million answers on the subject, ranging anywhere from “governments shouldn’t be involved in marriage, period” to “governments should allow any two consenting adults to get married,” and several positions in between. I’m personally in favor of a little of both; I think there’s value in maintaining the legal institution currently represented by marriage, along with the hundreds of years of legislative and judicial fine-tuning included in the concept. Since “marriage” also has religious importance, though, I think it’s time we decouple the legal concept of marriage from the civil part. Functionally, at least in my mind, this would involve legally allowing civil unions between any two consenting adults (even straight ones) and leaving whether it should be called a “marriage” or not to the couple and the religious figure of their choice. A parallel you might be familiar with is the Mormon concept of “temple marriage,” which are legally indistinguishable from any other marriage, but holds additional religious significance to the parties involved. As for polygamy and the like, I haven’t seen a legal framework that’s adopted it as acceptable behavior outside of a Heinlein novel that wouldn’t involve returning women to the status of livestock, so, until sufficient Americans feel like tackling the problem according to modern sensibilities, I don’t think it would be a good idea. That’s not happening anytime soon, so I wouldn’t worry about it. That said, one wife is more than enough for me, so, even if we figured out the legal issues involved, I wouldn’t avail myself of the opportunity.
In what sense?
= In the sense of what happened to the millions of Christians and those with ‘reactionary’ beliefs.
Actually, in Loving vs. Virginia (1967) the US Supreme Court ruled that the prohibitions on so-called interracial marriage then in place in several states violated the US Constitution. The same could apply to state bans on gay marriage.
= In that logic, then the same should be done with polygamous, and even polyandrous marriages; if we’re not going to prohibit gay marriage anywhere, then what’s the point to banning other forms of marriage?
However, unlike gay marriage, interracial marriage has been very common throughout human history and especially in the bible. And in the American colonial era, anti-miscegenation laws were aimed specifically at blacks and not other non-white races per see. In fact several of the thirteen colonies never passed any laws opposing interracial marriage, including New Hampshire and Vermont.
Only in the states of Virginia, Georgia, and South Carolina, were laws passed that completely prohibited interracial marriage.
In a way, ‘Loving v. Virginia’ wasn’t necessary, since the majority of US states already did away with anti-miscegenation laws before then, and there were also 9 states that never prohibited interracial marriage in the first place, and without the SC, all 50 states would’ve outlawed it completely over time.
But then again, those were the days of the Warren Court, where the US Constitution and especially religious freedom in the classroom would become disregarded.
How exactly would a hodgepodge of state marriage laws work in a society where people travel as well as relocate frequently?
What does any of this have to do with Marxism?
= The guy sounded like one, not a Libertarian.
= HELLO?! If you can’t obtain a certain privilege in one state, then just simply move to another state to solve the problem. That’s one way it works and has worked since the beginning of our nation; if you’re in a state that has a law you don’t like, then move to another state that doesn’t have such a law- I’ve put that to practice myself by moving out of California, and it does work :p
Does a couple who are married in one state stop being married when they visit or move to another state?
= Exactly Paulie; look at the differing state laws on common-law marriage; a friend of mine was common-law married to a boyfriend in Missouri, and when she moved back and became a resident of California again, her ‘marriage’ was no longer legally valid.
That’s how the status quo was and still is, and also how it should remain on the subject of marriage, plain and simple.
Just like the story you were bamboozled with last year, you are wrong regarding Mr. Barnes now. He is not an officer in the LP at any level. He was never an officer at the state level.
= Are you sure about that?
http://www.ieweekly.com/cms/story/detail/votes_on_a_scandal/3148/
Last I heard he held a position called “He Who Eschews all Titles yet Gives Stylish Reports” where in he does graphic arts and layout for his local county. You sir, like others before you are conflating untruths. He is being used to justify new by-laws in California and that is he largest role in the party right now.
= If Matt Barnes is the Elvis Presley for the California LP, then I feel nothing but pity for where the California Libertarian Party is going to become in the near future.
So let me ask, 25 years after this horrible childhood incident, you saw fit you print a story here full of lies that damaged people in actionable ways, without checking the facts.
= That link sure isn’t full of lies, in fact it sounds like you’re the one that’s doing the lying here.
What exactly was YOUR motivation? Does it make you excited to think about men who have sex with children? Are you looking for a special friend to go to Tijuana with and don’t know how to ask Mr. Seebeck straight up?
= Hey, that’s what you think, unlike me. I’m a hetro and prefer women of the legal age, thank you.
The mote, sir, is in your eye and if you continue, it could get infected very quickly.
= Nope, none in my eye at all, Gains… Or should I say, Mr. Barnes.
Hmmm…I thought yours was one of the stack of petitions that Darryl and them had. Anyway, you’re right, I’m more interested in 2012 at this point 🙂
You mean they would have been valid otherwise?
Yup. But I didn’t press the issue as others thought I should. It just didn’t seem Kosher to me, to prevent somebody from being on the ballot due to some frivolous law.
And in the end, it would have kept us both off the ballot since I didn’t have enough valid signatures.
Yeah, I’m bummed we did not get called on that one.
My campaign didn’t have the funding to pay anyone.
But there is always 2012, and the current filing deadline is in December of this year.
It is highly likely that the filing deadline will be moved, so petitioning cannot start until we know when the Primary election will be. Something about redistricting.
PEACE
You mean they would have been valid otherwise?
Yeah, I’m bummed we did not get called on that one. Granted we were working in NM but we could have left and come back.
Cody
In what sense?
Actually, in Loving vs. Virginia (1967) the US Supreme Court ruled that the prohibitions on so-called interracial marriage then in place in several states violated the US Constitution. The same could apply to state bans on gay marriage. How exactly would a hodgepodge of state marriage laws work in a society where people travel as well as relocate frequently? Does a couple who are married in one state stop being married when they visit or move to another state?
What does any of this have to do with Marxism?
ya he’s a good guy and for the record his court case has been postponed again , lookin more and more like he’s gonna come away unscathed . hopefully he can sue the police and get paid , paid , PAID!
Yeah well I think that the Mr. Duensing has gone through enough without me thoughtlessly conflating him into that ugliness again.
LOL , no worries , I just meant Jim isnt exactly into the concept of marriage , nor can I imagine him with a woman that could put up with him 24/7.
It was an analog a poor one, an inappropriate one, and I should have gotten more coffee into me before responding to you. Sincere apologies to you and Mr. Duensing for what it is worth.
Jim Duensings wife , ROFLMAO , now Gains , that IS funny 🙂
Um , wow , talk about being easily angered , I just meant when you start saying inflammatory things about people like Seebeck that are blatantly false and just a mean-spirited , albeit slightly funny, accusation , you are opening the door for people to come back at ya…
as for me , I couldnt give a fuck less anymore , but you dont gotta go around insinuating people havr access to fucking kids in Tiajuana..geez lighten up Jackwagon:)
Really?
What do you imagine you might be able to do to me that hasn’t already been done? Is force or fraud concepts you abhor or are they tools for inflating your self importance LG? From what I have read out of you, I don’t think that is the case but it also feels to me like you don’t put due diligence into finding truth.
I also know that you have had falsified evidence in front of you and had it characterized for you by people with an agenda. I also know that you took absolutely no steps to verify the information. Shock? Sure to me that is a legitimate excuse; but a year later, you have no room to fall back on emotional reaction.
Tell me, if someone in the NV LP harassed your family what would you do? Imagine Jim Duensings wife getting threatening phone calls from said person telling her to divorce him while he is in the surgery from gun shot wounds. Let that image float around a little bit and you will get a small idea just how much Mr. Seebeck deserves respect in my eyes. (Sorry Mr. Duensing, I felt I needed a relevant example.)
I invite you to REALLY investigate what is going on in CA before you step into it again LG. You have been manipulated.
Gains_Are you looking for a special friend to go to Tijuana with and don’t know how to ask Mr. Seebeck straight up?
me_ you should watch yourself “Gains”
I met Eric while standing in line to turn in our petitions. The SoS office would not accept my petitions because nobody had signed the original copy.
Since Eric was there, I asked him to sign it. He readily did so. And in doing so, he invalidated his petitions because by signing mine, he was in fact stating that he was a Libertarian! I didn’t press the issue even though many thought that I should. As it turned out, I didn’t have enough valid signatures anyway.
I ended up voting for the Socialist candidate, Dan La Botz. At least he opposed the war(s) and favored legalizing marijuana.
PEACE
I don’t see it as an issue. Someone asked a question, and I answered it.
I am all for sunshine 🙂
Slanderous distortions… no so much.
Jill I bet that a person of your amazing networking aptitude could get an objective informed answer with a single phone call and confirm it with another. If you felt it were an issue you would probably resolve it with a third.
Rumor control is not the job of the victim.
I don’t know, and I wish I hadn’t said anything because I don’t want to spread rumors. Sorry-my bad.
Does he give stylish reports?
If it’s not true, then maybe Matt needs to do some rumor control, but all of a sudden I’ve heard it from several people.
If that’s not correct, I apologize.
I don’t remember, but I think it’s the Style committee.
What is his title Jill and what is the committee?
I believe Mr. Barnes is currently the head of a committee in the Inland Empire chapter of Libertarians.
Also, paulie…thousands? Wow!
(I think statatory is mispelled)
And paulie since you were also a teenager I see no moral wrong with your 1001 ventures into um, Gina? 🙂
I remember my mother trying to pin statatory rape on my boyfriend because he was 18 and I was 17. :[ seriously..(I mean was she under the bed?) good night you sinners.
“also in the Bible” AND when I became a man I put away my childlike ways, and toys and thoughts to become a man!” (Men who “do” teenagers are little boys.) Little Boys belong with their mommies. 🙂
CQ @24:
Just like the story you were bamboozled with last year, you are wrong regarding Mr. Barnes now. He is not an officer in the LP at any level. He was never an officer at the state level. Last I heard he held a position called “He Who Eschews all Titles yet Gives Stylish Reports” where in he does graphic arts and layout for his local county. You sir, like others before you are conflating untruths. He is being used to justify new by-laws in California and that is he largest role in the party right now.
So let me ask, 25 years after this horrible childhood incident, you saw fit you print a story here full of lies that damaged people in actionable ways, without checking the facts. What exactly was YOUR motivation? Does it make you excited to think about men who have sex with children? Are you looking for a special friend to go to Tijuana with and don’t know how to ask Mr. Seebeck straight up?
The mote, sir, is in your eye and if you continue, it could get infected very quickly.
Cody, where did you get your ideas about what 1922 Russia was like? Hint: they were not very socially tolerant.
Why does the CP seem to focus on hate of gay people so much? What business is it of them or the GOVERNMENT. Good golly, if they were in charge, what would it be like? 1936 Germany?
= If people like you were in charge, it would be just like 1922 Russia.
BTW, the CP opposes a federal ban on gay marriage and simply voices their personal opposition to homosexuality and support for the traditional family- if you can’t tolerate free speech, then you need to stop calling yourself a Libertarian.
Funny, the CP wants smaller government, but will be the first to crack down on us with their “moral authority”. Just some common sense and honesty is all we should expect from a public servant.
= First off, marriage and morality has been regulated by the states since the nation’s founding, and such matters of marriage and special rights are best left to the states and local communities to decide upon- after all, we need to remember the tenth amendment.
If that’s fascism to you, then I suggest pulling your head out of your marxist ass and go live somewhere else.
Odd, he also was elected as a LP officer, even though his sex offender registration was not quite a secret, and he still is a officer with his local Libertarian Party.
Again, remember the beam in your own eye before you point out the beam in your brothers eye.
The LP also has baggage like the CP too.
The crickets are only chirping at your reply to mine.
CQ @15: “What about Matthew Barnes…”
The crickets you are getting should tell you something. Turns out the controversy did not have as much truth to it as some would have wanted others to think.
The truth is, sometimes good people do bad things. If this guy was not a candidate or holding a position of public trust, this is nothing but sniping.
I should also say + severely addictive personality.
As you may have noticed from my pathologically excessive posting at IPR, when I do something, I tend to do it to excess. Nothing exceeds like excess…
Horny teenager + big city with millions of people + dealing cocaine + I was in good shape then = absolutely ridiculous amounts of girls. I’m surprised I didn’t get anything more serious than gonorrhea.
And, no, I’m not proud of it. I was a scumbag at that time and did a lot of bad things to a lot of people, only some of whom deserved it.
Paulie: “Sexual irresponsibility is nothing to brag about, but in the interest of full disclosure, as a teenage drug dealer in NYC with plenty of motive and opportunity, I had sex with several thousand underage females.”
Several thousand??? Good lord.
Seriously…consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want with each other’s bodies and honestly acquired property if it does not involve anyone or anything except consenting adults.
Why does the CP seem to focus on hate of gay people so much? What business is it of them or the GOVERNMENT. Good golly, if they were in charge, what would it be like? 1936 Germany?
Funny, the CP wants smaller government, but will be the first to crack down on us with their “moral authority”. Just some common sense and honesty is all we should expect from a public servant.
What Cody said. Some people are irresponsible jerks with poor self-control. This truth transcends political and religious boundaries.
‘Sane LP member’
What about Matthew Barnes?
-Remember the beam in your own eye before you point out the beam in your brothers eye.
Tinfoil,
Marc is married with children. I don’t know how that relates to your “gay” speculation.
you may have never made love to an “underage” female
Sexual irresponsibility is nothing to brag about, but in the interest of full disclosure, as a teenage drug dealer in NYC with plenty of motive and opportunity, I had sex with several thousand underage females. In my defense, I was underage myself. And love had nothing to do with it. If anything, I made hate to them.
It’s possible that some of the drunk girls I brought home from bars when I was in college could have been underage, but none that I know of for certain, and they were all drinking booze at bars or house parties…none of them were virgins or obviously underage.
When I first got back out on the road in the early 2000s I had sex with a lot of hookers. Again, I don’t know 100% for sure that they were all over 18, but they were all working as prostitutes and as far as I know they were all over 18.
So, to my knowledge, I have not had sex with underage girls since I’ve been over 18 myself, although it’s not impossible.
As for listing this, is it to imply “hypocrisy” on the CP?
IPR posts news about third parties and independents. Good news, bad news, any news.
Or is it just a gay thing, hating the CP and all, you know?
How did you jump to the conclusion that gay anything has anything to do with it?
The moral of the story to me? A person who has no mercy to forgive is not a true christian, no matter how they may present themselves.
A Party that can place this in their platform is asking a lot of a born sinner, who will die at best a saved SINNER!
You may want to take into consideration that many people in America, as well as at IPR, are not Christians at all.
But as for Christians, don’t they consider everyone to be born sinners?
John Adams, 2nd President and signer of the Declaration of Independence warned:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Well he was certainly one to talk…
I understand a lot of you are gay on this site
How did you come to that conclusion and who are you talking about exactly?
so you may have never made love to an “underage” female
One has nothing to do with the other. Most of my gay friends have had haterosexual sex, especially when they were younger.
I understand a lot of you are gay on this site so you may have never made love to an “underage” female. Some times they lie to you about their age! Sometimes they rub you the right way and …well you understand. Remember a jury hung. As for listing this, is it to imply “hypocrisy” on the CP? Or is it just a gay thing, hating the CP and all, you know?
Several men brought a prostitute caught in the act (I guess with a married man, what about the man you ask, long gone, men got away with a lot in those days!) of adultery to Jesus Christ and said to him, according to Jewish Law she should be stoned to death, what say you!? Jesus answered, “you without sin cast the first stone”. It states, from the elder to the youngest they all departed. Jesus looked up and spoke to the woman, “where are your accusers”? “They have all left my lord!”Jesus replied, “So they have forgave you, so do I, go and sin no more.”
The moral of the story to me? A person who has no mercy to forgive is not a true christian, no matter how they may present themselves.
A Party that can place this in their platform is asking a lot of a born sinner, who will die at best a saved SINNER! Was this plank placed before or after the above incident about the underage female?
Character and Moral Conduct
John Adams, 2nd President and signer of the Declaration of Independence warned:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
He also counseled:
“The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge – I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers.”
Our very Constitution is threatened when we permit immoral conduct by our leaders.
Public respect and esteem toward public officials has fallen to a shameful level. The Constitution Party finds that a cause of this national state of disgrace is the deterioration of personal character among government leaders, exacerbated by the lack of public outcry against immoral conduct by public office holders.
Our party leaders and public officials must display exemplary qualities of honesty, integrity, reliability, moral uprightness, fidelity, prudence, temperance, justice, fortitude, self-restraint, courage, kindness, and compassion. If they cannot be trusted in private life, neither can they be trusted in public life.
It is imperative the members and nominated candidates representing the Constitution Party and its state affiliates recognize the importance of demonstrating good character in their own lives.
~
If I wanted to go to church, I would go.
Yeah…No kidding.
What does any of this have to do with the child molester in the so-called holy C.P ?
They appear to be biblical verses that condone pedophilia, in one form or another.
Every party and organization has its rotten apples. Get rid of them and move on.
Agreed.
Zane, that was funny 🙂
Every party and organization has its rotten apples. Get rid of them and move on. This has to do with individual vice not corporate guilt.
Jeez C. P.
If I wanted to go to church, I would go.
What does any of this have to do with the child molester in the so-called holy C.P ?
ah, International Parochial Review, a religious web site …………..
on the SLIGHTLY political side, was KJV written in 21st Century American English ???????
King James, [Jimmy VI of Scotts brand, Jimmy I of Angland] born Catholic, raised Protestant, ruled whom know what …………
Again from Numbers 31:
31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
34. And threescore and one thousand asses,
35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
37. And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.
39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.
40. And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.
Song of Solomon 8:08-09 (King James Version)
8We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?
9If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.
Numbers 31:17-18 (King James Version)
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Genesis 19:31-36 (King James Version)
31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
2 Peter 2:07-08 (King James Version)
7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
He may have confused “pray” with “prey.”