Convention has started. Oregon ruling of the credentials committee being appealed now. More in comments.
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Update from Mike Dooling:
FYI: The national convention is being livestreamed on UStream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/5815382 — I’m watching until I can be on the floor in Orlando Saturday morning.
Did Libertarians Sell Out Their Principles? Johnny Adams on the LP Convention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOZ6baW7Qcg
The LAVA Flow (with Rodger Paxton): The R.I.P. LP Edition
http://thelavaflow.com/r-p-lp-edition-tlf038/
Major Political Shift, The End Of The Libertarian Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBjBQfi_fRk
The candidate nomination was more offensive than the rotund stripper.
Stripping The Libertarian Party Of Freedom & Dignity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPiCi25HMm4
Review of William Weld by Rodger Paxton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bvBiQ4LMFo
George Dance
May 29, 2016 at 15:59
“Maybe they were talking about Laura Ebke. She’s a self-identified ‘conservative libertarian,’ though she was elected to the Nebraska Legislature as a Republican.”
Three days later, Ebke changes her party from Republican to Libertarian. Evidently this had been discussed with the Nebraska LP privately.
“If I search for ‘Gary Johnson’ on bing. Then click ‘news’ most of the photos show that naked fat guy.”
To be fair, it is Bing. I’m surprised you didn’t end up with pictures of dolphins at Sea World.
Gary Johnson Booed at Libertarian Convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaSDWA2Fr_g
Andy, great points and appreciate the view.
On the “good ‘ole boy” network . . . yep.
I’ve been pointing that out for years.
The Jim Lark’s are not bad people, they’re dedicated and passionate people — but they are not leaders and have no clue how to progress our party toward growth and electoral victory.
When I was ED, I found a binder that was filled with several hundred dumb ass ideas from a “strategy session” of a previous LNC.
It was that moment that confirmed these people were clueless — and many of those same people are still in “power” with the LNC.
Again, good people. But they don’t possess ANY mastery of politics, advocacy or leadership.
I don’t think we’ll see the influx of new member and money that is already being touted, so when 2018 rolls around, I think it will be fairly easy to clean house on the LNC.
“My only problem with the naked fat guy is that it might give Donald Trump — a showman extraordinaire — some ideas, and I don’t know if the country is ready to watch Chris Christie do something similar at the GOP’s national convention in Cleveland.”
Haha. Christie would probably do it if asked.
“If I search for ‘Gary Johnson’ on bing. Then click ‘news’ most of the photos show that naked fat guy.”
My only problem with the naked fat guy is that it might give Donald Trump — a showman extraordinaire — some ideas, and I don’t know if the country is ready to watch Chris Christie do something similar at the GOP’s national convention in Cleveland.
If you wanted a northeastern liberal Republican who supported Obama, why was Lincoln Chafee overlooked? He has a history of winning elections as an Independent and at least he supports a non-interventionist foreign policy. Plus, not only was he a Governor, he was a U.S. Senator!
I have in fact been informed that Gov. Weld proposed limiting people to buying one gun a month – twelve guns a year, or 600 over a 50 year lifetime of gun collecting.
What’s next? Will the LP nominate a VP candidate who proposes to limit the number of calories per day we are allowed to consume, or the number of children people are allowed to have, or the number of hours per night we are allowed to sleep? Are those all, in your opinion, libertarian positions?
I have gladly defended Bill Weld as liberal Republican.
Fine. Then register as a Republican, and vote for him as a Republican. The LP should be nominating libertarians, not liberal Republicans.
“If I search for ‘Gary Johnson’ on bing. Then click ‘news’ most of the photos show that naked fat guy.”
The naked fat guy performed fraud on the delegates. He was recognized by the Chair for a specific purpose. He did not do what he was recognized for. For example if I, José attempted to get recognized for the purpose of making a motion I would if recognized by the Chair have to make a motion.
Chair, “Microphone four.”
Jose, “ José from California.”
Chair, “For what purpose is the gentleman from California want to be recognized for?”
Jose, “I have a motion to give concerning abortion.”
Chair, “You are recognized. Make your motion.”
If then I start taking off my clothes the Chair is within his rights to stop me from taking off my clothes. I would say he has an obligation to stop me from stripping.
Chair, “The gentleman from California was recognized for the purpose of making a motion. You are not recognized for the purpose of taking off your clothes. Stop taking off your clothes. The gentleman from California is no longer recognized.”
What should have happened is as soon as the naked fat guy started taking off his clothes the Chair should have said something such as, “You were not recognized for the purpose of taking off your clothes. Stop this immediately. You are no longer recognized.”
If at that time the naked fat guy kept taking off his clothes the Chair had the right to have the naked fat guy taken off the stage. And thus Americans watching our convention and others watching around the world would have been spared watching a ridiculous embarrassing spectacle from a naked fat guy.
https://youtu.be/Sv94vckoDwY
Here’s another view of CA’s senatorial candidate at the debate Saturday night.
I returned to where I was before the Libertarian National Convention today. Here is the good and the bad.
First the good.
This was the most fun Libertarian convention I have been to in a long time.
I got to meet some people I have wanted to meet for a long time. The highlight of the convention for me was getting to meet and hang out with Adam Kokesh (whom I had lunch with). Adam is a great guy and I look forward to his 2020 presidential run (it looks like he is in fact going to seek the Libertarian Party’s nomination for President). The other highlight for me was getting to meet Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change. I have been following We Are Change since its inception, so it was cool to finally meet Luke. The only bad thing was that I only ended up talking to him for a few minutes. Luke had some guy with him from We Are Change Orlando with whom I also spoke.
Other “celebrities” I got to meet were Lily Tang, Tom Woods, Jordan Page, Vermin Supreme, John McAfee, and Gigi Bowman.
I also got to hang out with a lot of my Libertarian friends and acquaintances from around the country, and I got to meet some new and interesting people, and I finally got to meet some people in person that i only knew online. I also got to have conversations with several Libertarians that I have seen before, but either never talked to them, or never talked to them much.
I ran for office for the first time in my life. I ran for LNC At Large, but I did not win one of the seats. I probably should have run for LNC Region Representative or LNC Alternate Region Representative. I was going to run for the LNC in 2014, but I ended up backing out at the last minute. I was unsure if I was going to go through with it this time, but I decided to go for it at the last minute. I was irritated that somebody tried to take away speaking time for LNC candidates, but I objected and the anti-speech proposal was shot down. Unfortunately somebody proposed cutting the speaking time for LNC candidates from 2 minutes down to 1 minute. I think that this really hurt my effort. I took notes for a speech and I was unable to get to all of my points in one minute. I did have several people that I did not know previously say that they liked my speech.
Starchild was elected to the LNC as an AT Large Representative after having been knocked out of that position in 2014, and I consider this to be a good thing due to Starchild’s commitment to transparency and a “user friendly” LNC, and also due to his strong commitment to the cause of liberty.
Ken Moellman was elected as an LNC Region Alternate Representative, and more importantly, LNC Chairman Nicholas Sarwark has appointed Ken Moellman to be the Chairman of the LNC’s new Ballot Access Committee. Ken Moellman is an excellent choice for this position, and outside of myself or Paul Frankel, i can’t think of a better person for the job. I have known Ken for several years and he is one of my favorite people in the Libertarian Party. Although Ken does not like gathering petition signatures himself, he has been involved in managing multiple petition drives in Kentucky, and he has done a great job at this, better than anyone else in the Libertarian Party in my opinion (outside of myself or Paul Frankel). Ken is a real go getter and a fireball of Libertarian activism. I think that with Ken Moellman as the Chairman of the Ballot Access Committee that the LNC will finally have a functional Ballot Access Committee that actually does things. Appointing Ken Moellman to this position was probably the best decision for the party that Chairman Sarwark made at this convention.
Now on to the bad.
The results of the presidential, and especially the vice presidential, races were not to my liking. I did not vote for Gary Johnson, but I can understand why some people did, in spite of the problems with him and his campaign. I do not understand why anyone voted for William Weld to be the vice presidential nominee though. I never thought I would see the day when the Libertarian Party would nominate a gun grabbing, Bush loving, Council on Foreign Relations member to be a candidate, much less one who had ALREADY lied to Libertarians and stabbed the party in the back (the LP of New York in 2006).
We had several other better options for President and Vice President this weekend, so it is really disappointing that these were the options that were chosen, and especially in regard to the Vice Presidential nomination. One would have thought that after Johnson won the presidential nomination that for the sake of party unity that Larry Sharpe could have won the vice presidential nomination (Will Coley and Derrick Grayson dropped out after the first ballot results were in and they both endorsed Sharpe), but in spite of the overwhelming negative response against Weld from almost half of the delegation, Weld prevailed and was added to the ticket. I shudder to think of the damage that the Johnson/Weld ticket is doing and will do to the Libertarian brand.
It also became even more apparent this weekend that the LNC is a “good ole boys” club and that we have our own versions of Strom Thurmond, Robert Byrd, and Ted Kennedy on there (as in people who get elected over and over again based on name recognition and over-inflated reputations). I talked to several delegates who shared this consensus. Perhaps we should enact term limits on the LNC.
Those of us who want the Libertarian Party to actually be libertarian, and be more successful, are going to have to work a hell of a lot harder and smarter starting right now. We can’t allow ourselves to continue to get rolled over like this.
Still no word on the outcome of the Judicial Committee vote?
My own hat was in the ring when I had to catch my plane yesterday. Since no one has called me I assume I did not win.
Still, I would like to see the list of winners.
Gov. Johnson actually came across quite nicely today with Chris Cuomo on CNN. I was pleasantly surprised.
Tom Knapp says “My dislike of his anti-gun position is the moral failing that it reveals — a moral failing that when discussed generally serves as an illustration of the validity of Godwin’s Law.”
Godwin’s Law refers to the tendency when discussing any issue to invoke the reduction ad hitlerium – to call your opponent a Nazi if he advocates raising the sale tax by a penny, or in this case, advocates limiting people to buying one gun a month.
I have in fact been informed that Gov. Weld proposed limiting people to buying one gun a month – twelve guns a year, or 600 over a 50 year lifetime of gun collecting.
I have gladly defended Bill Weld as liberal Republican. If Tom Knapp can prove to me that essence of National Socialism is limiting people to buying 12 guns a year, I will enlist in his crusade against the new Hitler. He can use any reference on the Third Reich – I have many of them in stock in my book shop and can check his quotes if I need to.
Ok, was there a vp candidate primary? Or will you save the phone call and slate Weld with him?
If so, good to hear. Not my favorite, but the mans choice, and the delegates. And hopefully in 2 years including you…
Johnson is tracking over 70% with almost half the ballots counted. I think it is a foregone conclusion that he won and would feel confident calling the race if I were media.
He is the only candidate who really campaigned in this state. Petersen showed up to suppory Burke an refused to speak with us. That did not help him.
Wes,
So you’re say that the primary is for President only and that if Johnson wins that primary the board as a vacancy in nomination will slate weld? (If Johnson doesn’t win you will slate his endorsed VP choice?
This is why politics is so fun! (!??!) in this country. So many interpretations of simple words.
Gentlemen, this morning was enjoyable. On to our next debate. . . . .
“Promote the general welfare …” means that the government may do things that are good for everyone.
However, nearly everything that the government does is NOT good for most of the public. Most government programs, rules, laws and spending are only good for special interests, single specific individuals and/or the politicians and the rest of the political class.
The modern interpretation of the “welfare” clause of the US Constitution flies in the face of its actual meaning and intent.
Thank you for noticing my type-o Mr. Rational! I was for abolishing the right to own a guy long before it was popular 🙂
Thomas – In my earlier post I correctly put “PROMOTE the general welfare . . . ” what do you want from me? I’m at work and trying to fit our fun conversation in between checking in a huge shipment. 🙂
I think your definition leaves much to be desired. I want to know what YOU think it should mean. Not some Austin Petersen type bumper sticker rant.
Tony From Long Island
May 31, 2016 at 10:47
Oh I’ve read the second amendment hundreds of times. The great(?) thing about the Constitution is that you and I can read the same words and find completely opposite meanings. The right to own a guy in and of itself shall not be abridged, but it can be regulated like hell! And I hope more and more of those regulations and restrictions happen. ?
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Yes, Tony, we can at least agree that the right to own a “guy” should be abolished, although I think that one may have been taken care of already.
Tony,
Nope. The number of American gun owners is increasing, not decreasing.
Actually, it’s “promote the general welfare,” not “support the general welfare.”
The meaning of the phrase is: “Move as much wealth as possible from the pockets of the productive class to the bank accounts of the political class, while pretending that we’re doing the productive class a favor.”
Thankfully, the number of Americans who own guns is decreasing at a steady rate 🙂
…support the general welfare…. meaning?
Tony,
You’re wrong in two ways here.
First, the authors and ratifiers of the 2nd Amendment were very clear on what they were doing and why they were doing it. They had just defeated the most feared army in the world, and they had done so with the power of an armed populace. They wanted a populace that could do the same thing again if necessary, be it against the British for a second time or against some other invader, or against homegrown tyranny. In other words, they wanted the populace to have unrestricted access to state of the art military weaponry. That was the intent of the 2nd Amendment.
Secondly, you can pass all the regulations and restrictions you want. But try to ENFORCE them and see what happens. There are currently more than 300 million guns in the hands of 100 million Americans. If even 1% of those gun owners actively resist your enforcement attempts, it will make the Civil War look like a picnic lunch. And at the end of it you will have a pile of bodies and your rules STILL won’t be enforceable.
My dislike for Weld’s anti-gun position is not of the fear variety. There’s nothing he can do to make his vision real. My dislike of his anti-gun position is the moral failing that it reveals — a moral failing that when discussed generally serves as an illustration of the validity of Godwin’s Law.
Could you honestly see him on a debate stage with Clinton and Trump?
Perry is a very good speaker. Johnson, on the other hand, comes across as a stuttering, stammering, neurotic buffoon. He appears unprepared, and seems to suffer from a severe lack of confidence and composure. Hillary and Trump would absolutely tear him to shreds.
Oh I’ve read the second amendment hundreds of times. The great(?) thing about the Constitution is that you and I can read the same words and find completely opposite meanings. The right to own a guy in and of itself shall not be abridged, but it can be regulated like hell! And I hope more and more of those regulations and restrictions happen. 🙂
@ Tony from Long Island
Read the Second Amendment. Talk of regulation is specifically referenced to the militia and it is used in terms of drilled & trained. As citizens would be needed for said militia they were granted rights to keep arms. No prerequisite is placed of the people to own a firearm.
Hunting rifles aren’t much use for personal protection. That appears to be the only kind of firearm Weld thinks the wee citizens should own. Therefore, he his anti-gun.
I will agree with you that Johnson’s public speaking leaves much to be desired. I hope his campaign hires someone to help him work on that before the debates.
When you said you would feel safe leaving your wallet etc. in a room with Perry and not having it harmed…..funny, I had the complete opposite feeling. The guy came across to me as very very creepy. Same with McAfee. He said a lot of nothing.
I noticed you didn’t answer my question about the role of government. Do the words “promote the general welfare” mean anything?
“I’ll ask you the same question that made me roll my eyes when Perry answered it: Can you name me one necessary role of government? (I’m probably re-wording the question slightly).”
If by “government,” you mean “the state,” no I can’t, any more than I can name a necessary role of cholera.
“I sorta had a feeling you were a Perry person……that purity thing again.”
Yes, you’re mistaking it for a “purity” issue again.
It’s true that there’s not a great deal of daylight between Darryl and myself on doctrine and policy. But the same could be said of any number of people.
I supported Darryl because among the candidates, he was the one who most clearly passed my “room test.” That is, I’d be comfortable walking out of a room with him in it, leaving my wallet or my daughter behind, confident that neither would be missing or harmed when I returned.
I also judged him pretty much the most capable and effective presenter of our party’s case. When it comes to debate and public speaking, Johnson is a train wreck, the absolute worst of the major candidates. I can see a case for McAfee or Feldman excelling Darryl in some respects, but he’s the best overall package there. His experience as host of a US top 50 talk radio show … shows.
🙂 I sorta had a feeling you were a Perry person……that purity thing again.
Could you honestly see him on a debate stage with Clinton and Trump? Really? Although I dislike Petersen immensely as a candidate – he would fit on that stage.
I’ll ask you the same question that made me roll my eyes when Perry answered it: Can you name me one necessary role of government? (I’m probably re-wording the question slightly).
Tony,
I’ll TRY to feel likewise. A weekend of conventioneering has left me kind of combative 🙂
I was a delegate at the convention. I voted for Darryl W. Perry on both presidential ballots. For vice-president, I voted for Will Coley on the first ballot; when he withdrew and endorsed Sharpe, I voted Sharpe on the second ballot.
Weld is anti-gun – first of all being for more regulation of dangerous weapons is not being ANTI-GUN. But either way, it makes me much more likely to vote for Johnson / Weld. LP members pretend the words “well regulated” don’t exist. If you want to say that they only refer to a “militia”, then I respectfully disagree.
Of course They are not purists. That’s why they will actually receive VOTES! What a concept.
As for Gary Johnson’s record as Governor, you seem to mis-understand the role of a chief executive and what the limitations of the power of that office are.
Just curious? Were you at the convention? Were you a delegate? If so, who did you cast your vote for? If not, who would you have?
Finally, I don’t consider these messages to be an argument. They are more like a spirited friendly debate. I hope you feel likewise.
“I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that. . .”
I mean that I’ve been fielding the “opponents of Johnson/Weld are just purists” BS for quite some time now, and it hasn’t stopped being BS.
Am I a purist? Yes.
Do I have purist-type problems with Johnson/Weld? Yes.
Are the purist-type problems with Johnson/Weld why I can’t support them? No.
Gary Johnson and William Weld are piss-poor candidates by any rational metric. They are lying crapweasels who have both previously defrauded the Libertarian Party to get nominations. They are boring as watching paint dry. They’re not just not “purist,” they are barely, if at all, within the libertarian camp on most issues and obviously outside of it on some.
As governor of New Mexico, Johnson grew government spending and government debt faster than Barack Obama has as president. He asked the legislature to let him execute 13-year-olds. He tried to fire University of New Mexico regents for not giving his construction company sweetheart government contracts. He became the first governor of New Mexico to ever be held in contempt by the state’s supreme court — for trying to rule by decree when the legislature wouldn’t pass measures he wanted passed.
Weld is anti-gun. He was anti-gun as a governor. He told the Libertarian Party he had changed, then the next day he went on CNN and said he hadn’t. He supported the US invasion of Iraq. He supported the USA PATRIOT Act. He says he’s been against abuse of eminent domain for private property since the outrageous Kelo decision, but a year AFTER that decision he publicly supported the crony capitalist Brooklyn Yards land grab.
If Bernie Sanders and Bernie Madoff were able to procreate together, Johnson and Weld would be their bouncing baby twins.
My personal opinion is that the by-laws need to be changed to allow the POTUS candidate to have the running-mate of their choosing. One woman made an interesting point (before being told she was out of order) when she said that for a party who preaches personal choices and personal liberty, why would we deny our POTUS candidate the running mate of his choice?
We were struggling with how to handle the logistics of a vice presidential candidate but everyone on the board seems to generally think that it really doesn’t matter since what you’re actually voting for is a slate of delegates that are committed to vote for the presidential candidate for the party so I have a general sense of the body that listing the vice presidential ticket of that candidate is perfunctory
Wes,
Will the party allow a second primary for VP since weld wasn’t a candidate until just before the convention? Or was he known as GJs choice before the ballots went out
I guess I’m just more interested in having people hear about smaller government than just bitching about it amongst a small group of blinders-wearing believers.
However, I guess there is one thing we agree on. Smaller government is good. We just disagree on how small it should be and how to best achieve that. I still consider you all friends in liberty.
Thomas: “You can keep on nominating 100% pure libertarians”
Nice try. No cigar. . . . .
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that. . .
Bondurant – my comment about a “sociopath” had more to do with what he said and the tone in which he says it than on looks alone. So I probably could have worded that better. However, that doesn’t change my opinion that optics matter in nominating candidates.
“Post the video of Priebus drunk on stage”
Google is your bitch. I’m not.
“You can keep on nominating 100% pure libertarians”
Nice try. No cigar.
@ Tony from Long Island
You criticize the LP because 63 people voted for a man you call a “sociopath” just because of his looks? Cute comment coming from a member of party that has millions clamoring for Bernie Sanders.
Post the video of Priebus drunk on stage… I’d love to see it. . . .
Last I checked, Gov. Johnson isn’t a Republican. Hasn’t been in several years. Is every Republican or Democrat an “authoritarian” for big government? That opinion doesn’t exactly leave a lot of room for growth in the LP.
You can keep on nominating 100% pure libertarians and go nowhere or you can nominate pragmatic people who want to work within a system that is NOT GONIG TO CHANGE to make government smaller and bring that message to millions. You’re way hasn’t exactly worked during the first 40 years of the LP.
I am no longer and LP member, but I will almost certainly vote for Gary Johnson (you’re welcome). If any of the other extremists on that state Saturday were nominated there would have been no chance in hell my vote would have gone to the LP. I am certainly not alone.
Losty
The oregonians totals have not finished but it appears in early returns that oregon voted to ignore national and run our own ticket instead. Johnson is also handily winning our primary so yes.
Speaking of Oregon, thanks to the national convention delegates for rejecting the fake Libertarian Party of Oregon’s attempt to hijack the real LPO’s delegate seats for the third time in a row. Nothing we can do to make up for the past two complete moral failures, but it’s good to finally get right.
Wes,
Does this ticket have the Oregon line?
At least the real enemies of the party are self-identifying.
Successful troll is successful.
“If I search for ‘Gary Johnson’ on bing. Then click ‘news’ most of the photos show that naked fat guy.”
Good. Anything that distracts attention from Johnson/Weld minimizes the damage they can do to the party.
As far as “looking ridiculous” is concerned, you’ve apparently never noticed the other parties. A guy “running” for chair danced for a couple of minutes. In the GOP, Reince Priebus was ELECTED chair before doing his falling-down-drunk onstage performance. Four years ago the Democrats had a problem with a MOB of drunk and disorderly delegates on their convention floor.
It’s a tempest in a teapot. If you’re more worried about it than you are about the LP nominating two authoritarian big-government Republicans for the White House, you are the problem.
Are you serious???? That’s your response? I’m the least prude guy around. I wasn’t “offended” by his nonsense, but it made the party look ridiculous!!! Do you even care about how the LP is perceived by the actual citizens you are trying to convince?? Removing him would not have made you a “Nazi.” It would have made you smart!
“Interpretive Dance?” That’s what you call it? If I search for “Gary Johnson” on bing. Then click “news” most of the photos show that naked fat guy. Classy! Very Classy!
“Additionally, how was that guy allowed to strip on stage and not be IMMEDIATELY removed?”
Because we’re Libertarians, not Nazis. That guy was a declared candidate for the national chairmanship who was given ten minutes to make his case and who chose to devote that ten minutes to interpretive dance.
As a former LP member, I was pleased with the convention overall. I watched everything C-SPAN showed and was glad that the pragmatic libertarians won. However, a lot of what I saw reminded me why I left the party and returned to the Democratic Party. I know each party has a faction of extremists and the LP is no different, but the fact that someone who looks and sounds like an anarchist sociopath received 63 votes to be the POTUS nominee is scary. The LP has a real chance to bring the principles of smaller government to the masses, yet, a large part of the LP wanted to remain a fringe joke. . . . Additionally, how was that guy allowed to strip on stage and not be IMMEDIATELY removed?
Some people wanted light saber pictures
Paulie,
==So, some of us are more extreme than others. Doesn’t mean we can’t all work together and move in the same direction unless and until public policy gets too libertarian for some of you.==
Yep. I don’t play the hyper-literalization of slogans game. It is patently obvious that within the group we have all said are libertarians (the LP) there is a more extreme libertarian faction. That is reality. And I am part of that faction. Openly. It is easy for someone who doesn’t know someone, hasn’t worked with someone, nor doesn’t know how often I have been the peacemaker between factions to make snide comments on IPR. It is par for course.
My State Party knows precisely what I do and greatly appreciated my comments. But by all means, let’s just all be butthurt about a slogan.
At large – Goldstein, Redpath, Feldman, Starchild, Hayes
I am not a Libertarian (I am in fact Working Families Party) but I just wanted to chime in here and congratulate the LP on the convention. I watched all Sunday and chunks of Saturday and was both impressed and entertained. You all handled everything very professionally and was particularly impressed by Mr. Sarwark and his handling of the events with a charming personal manner, professional style and a much needed sense of humor at these things. All of you LP folks should be very proud. Good luck to you all.
Thank the heavens! That little snake Aaron Starr didn’t sneak through deletion of the abortion plank at the end and libertarian women can breath free on that issue for another 2 years. And I can go back to my SECEDE! icon on facebook.
But http://pro-choicelibertarians.net is here to stay as a BULWARK against the rightwing extremist vampires who are kept out by the silver cross of the abortion plank!!! Radicals and even moderate libertarian guys just don’t realize it protects them too! Without the plank LP might already have been renamed the “Liberty Party” and gone defunct by now. Radicals and pro-choicers throwing fits when right wingers attack, including the Mr. Weeks’ types, do have their occasional uses, even if, of course, Weeks shouldn’t have done it (dance around in his thong instead of giving a chair speech). 🙂
Thought someone will be on, and they need the meeting in the first place
Though not shre why they adjourned before the count
Losty- not much transparency, eh?
Anything on LNC meeting?
Or who IS on LNC/judicial?
Note to Chris Thrasher or to anyone who corresponds with him:
Chris, please give me a yell at kubby dot communications @ gmail dot com.
For onlookers: No, I’m not going to ask Chris to get me a job with the Johnson campaign. I just need to gab with him briefly about something else, and the address I have for him right now is the one from the McAfee campaign.
Paulie,
Your comment at 8:42 suggests you have a crystal ball. But this vision came from the same crystal ball that foresaw Jeb Bush or Scott Walker winning the GOP nomination. I’ll ignore the dubious affirmation of Godwin’s law. Repeating the same baseless allegations of progressives does not make any truth.
Adjourned no results.
This is interesting
Adjourned. Shutting down, TTYL
Motion to censure Weeks ruled out of order.
Not yet announced
Did M(ischief) Carling get re-elected party God?
I have followed Jeff Week’s on a few FB pages and i find him to be extremely knowledgeable and well read about the historical origins and philosophies of anarchism and libertarianism, beyond the usual right wing ‘heroes’ like Ayn Rand. Given the selling of this national party to republican and dark/special interests, i would have gone full monty on stage to prove how obvious it all is.
The Emperor has no clothes.
Fulner resolution: taxation is theft
Harmonica playing from the floor mic.
Sarwark is back.
Redpath now chairing the meeting so Sarwark can vote.
Mike Shipley in AZ giving out rainbow porcupine buttons.
Aaron Starr thanks Sarwark, Mattson for work on this convention. Missed a few other announcements while I was texting.
If Approval Voting fails to select enough people for JC, LNC, those committees can fill vacancies.
Resolution passed for pardons for Ross Ulbricht and Chelsea Manning.
There will be breakouts in Salon (4?) til 4 pm.
Resolution for the pardon of Ross Ulbricht passes. http://freeross.org !!!!
2 pm, new LNC in Salon 13.
http://www.thelibertyconservative.com/william-weld-signed-letter-supporting-patriot-act/
Tim Hagan re-elected Treasurer 252-152 over Wilcoxson. George Phillies got a small number of write-in votes. Not sure, but I think it was 3.
Someone I am not recognizing for Tom Stevens. Why does Stevens get another bite at the apple?
Danny Bedwell, Jeff Mortensen for Mortensen.
Jim Lark, Rebecca Sink-Burris for Sink Burris.
Jim Fulner for himself.
Rich Piotrowski for himself.
Carling talking about the importance of enforcing the bylaws is like Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich (or, for that matter, Gary Johnson) talking about the importance of fidelity in marriage. He never lets the actual bylaws get in the way of anything he wants to do.
I was surprised and pleased to see Mike Dixon at the convention as well. He was my regional LNC rep when I first became actively involved in national LP politics. Great guy and I was disappointed when he kind of disappeared after one term as chair.
Benjamin Phelps for Alicia Dearn.
Dave Capano for Chris Wiest.
Caryn Harlos, Chuck Moulton for Moulton.
It’s great to see Mike Dixon back at a convention. He chaired my first convention in Portland in 2006, did a great job, and then I never saw him again.
SL Malleck, Michael Pakko, John Bowers for Bowers. (sp?)
Chris Robinson for himself.
The despicable Sam Sloan speaking for the despicable Tom Stevens.
Rob Latham, Roger Roots for Roots.
Tricia Sprinkle, Steve Linnabary for Linnabary.
Mike Dixon for himself. I think I mixed him up with Pat Dixon in an earlier comment? No time to scroll and find it at the moment.
Ruth Bennett, Michael Hutzinger for Hutzinger.
Kudos to M Carling for waving the Bylaws and pointing out that serving on JudCom is about enforcing and interpreting that contract. It’s bizarre and scary that none of the other JudCom candidates say the same thing.
Ernest Hancock, Buttrick, Kielsky for Kielsky
M Carling is NOT acceptable.
Hagan, GJTX for GJTX. Also someone else from TX whose name I did not catch for GJTX.
Judicial speeches.
Chris Madden for himself. Bill Redpath and M Carling for Carling….
Mattson re-elected Secretary with 70% and change. The display color made me unable to see her exact numbers but it was just under 300. IIRC Wood got 108.
Mattson withdrawing for consideration for At Large.
Mark Herd says the convention is viewable online right now at lpinfonow.com.
It’s not.
I’m watching it at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/libertarian-party1
Jeff Hewitt, speaking for Daniel Hayes and Bette Rose Ryan.
He doesn’t drink coffee, believe it or not. Also, before anyone asks, he does not use meth, coke, adderall or ritalin.
Mark Herd for himself.
No more coffee for Andy.
We should have a petitioner on the LNC.
Chris Thrasher, Joe Buchman for Buchman.
Jim Fulner for Steve Scheetz, who had to leave early.
Andy Jacobs for himself. He asked me to speak for him but the wait in that line would have been made me unable to take these notes. Also I think his speech was much more effective than mine would have been.
Kim Ruff for herself.
Danny Bedwell, Boyd Kendall for Kendall
Ludlow also plugs Goldstein.
Goldstein, Ludlow for Ludlow
Starchild for himself
Video down, audio up…
Logo only up.
Guy McLendon, Werther for Jen Werther
Ernie Hancock, Buttrick for Buttrick.
Roger Gary for himself
Scheurer for himself.
Lark, Redpath for Redpath
Hinkle for himself
Peralo for himself.
Perry speaking for Ruff, Starchild, Werther, Scheetz.
At Large nominations one minute long.
Sam Goldstein.
Rads recommend for At Large Scheetz, Perry, Starchild, Ruff, Werther
Knapp is a victim of a cargo-cult mentality that the candidate defines the party, as it does with the personality politics that infect the two-headed incumbency party. Libertarianism is a rock of Gibraltar that no Johnson or Weld can move, and the LP’s ideology is defined by documents that — in contrast to the incumbency part — are designed to remain stable across election cycles.
My favorite moment of the weekend was when Weld claimed to be delighted by the Platform. In the LP, the ticket reads the platform. In the incumbency party, the ticket writes the platform. And that is why, contra Knapp, the LP will survive this cycle just fine, and might even seize this very rare opportunity.
Who did Nick nominate for AtLarge? The live-feed that I’m watching went to commercial just as he began to speak.
At Large nominations:
Mattson if she is not re-elected Secretary, Sam Goldstein, Bill Redpath, Darryl W. Perry, Jason Scheurer, Mark Hinkle, Charles Peralo, Starchild, John Buttrick, Kevin Ludlow, Jennifer Werther, Andy Jacobs, Boyd Kendall, Kimberly Ruff, Steve Scheetz, Daniel Hayes, Joe Buchman, Mark Herd, Roger Gary, Marc Feldman, may have missed one or two.
The delegates who voted for Johnson and Weld lack standing to complain that Weeks made the LP “look bad.” He spent five minutes doing a striptease. They condemned the LP to five months of continuous damage.
Scheurer and Goldstein withdraw. Vohra elected by acclamation on second ballot.
Vohra 206, Goldstein 90, Scheurer 77, Feldman 56, NOTA 3. Vohra got 47 and change percent, so no outright majority.
It’s about time that M. Carling NOT be re-re-re-etc.-elected to the Judicial Committee.
Judcom nominees: Tom Stevens, Chris Maden, Michael Hutzinger, Gary Johnson TX, Michael Kielsky, Steve Linnabary, Chuck Moulton, Roots, Jeff Mortensen, Pat Dixon, Jim Fulner, Rebecca Sink-Burris, Alicia Dearn, Bette Rose Ryan, Rich Piotrowski, M Carling, Chris Robinson, Chris Wiest. I think I missed one. Scheetz nominated but withdraws. Likewise Daniel Hayes.
Wilcoxson speech for himself.
Guy McLendon, Tim Hagan speak for Hagan.
Gary Johnson of TX speaking for Tim Hagan.
Tim Hagan nominated for Treasurer.
Moellman nominates Josh Wilcoxson for Treasurer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/libertarian-party-candidate-strips-dances-national-convention-article-1.2654209
Fulner, Wood speaking for Wood.
I am not sure the state of Oregon at least agrees with you on not electing Judicial…
Jeff Hewitt (CA) and Mattson herself speak for Mattson.
Good luck, Tom with whatever you decide. I am leaning to Be Rational’s point of view currently. He or she seems really libertarian but open to this “opportunity” with the caveat that “hold their feet to the fire” be strictly adhered to in deference to the mistakes of 2008 and to a lesser degree, 2012. If it appears this truly is just a GOP takeover to get the ballot lines in 50 states and DC I will consider Stein or Castle or even Hedges for a purely protest vote.
Jim Fulner (MI) nominates Jeff Wood (MI) for Secretary
Sam Goldstein (IN) nominates Alicia Mattson (NV) for Secretary
Nominating speeches for the candidates for other LNC offices will now be limited to three minutes in the interest of time.
Pojunis nomination withdrawn.
Losty,
“So, no candidates. No chairman, no VC, no judicial.”
Actually, we’ve adjourned sine die prior to internal elections before. When that happened, sitting officers/members of committees for which elections were not held just remained in office until the next convention. Not great, but not the worst thing ever.
On the presidential level, not running candidates would have been less damaging to the party than running Johnson/Weld.
No speeches for Pojunis.
NewFed,
I don’t really have a plan for November. I can tell you the two things I will NOT be doing between now and then:
1) Trying to drum up a libertarian option for America’s voters on their 2016 presidential ballots. The infrastructure of e.g. the BTP circa 2008 is no longer there, and wasn’t particularly effective when it WAS there.
2) Being a good party soldier and promoting the third suicidal LP ticket in a row.
If the LP is unwilling to do its job, I am neither willing nor able to do its job FOR it.
On the other hand, I don’t expect to openly campaign AGAINST Johnson/Weld or anything.
I’ll probably write something in the next few days explaining where I’m at on all that, and then for the most part just shut the fuck up about it until after November. I have no desire to damage the LP any more than it just chose to damage itself; whether or not I can in good conscience continue to enable its dysfunctional behavior over future years is a question I’ll have to carefully consider.
Scheuer is up for himself.
Nomination speeches for Marc Feldman from Paul Stanton, Gary Johnson of TX and Tricia Sprinkle of OH.
Video for Jason Scheuer.
Thomas,
So, no candidates. No chairman, no VC, no judicial.
Why be a political party then?
Enjoy your supper club.
Goldtein speaking for himself.
Ken Moellman is up for Goldstein.
Goldstein speeches are proceeding, starting with Doug Craig.
Weld probably told him to get rid of it!
LMFAO!
Both anarchist and non-anarchist libertarians are libertarians. Some are more extreme than others. If, for example, the Republicans were called the Conservative Party, it would not be wrong to note that some Conservative Party members are more ideologically conservative than others, by way of analogy.
Exactly. Big L libertarianism is a binary, Yes/No thing, but small l libertarianism is a matter of degrees.
Rads endorse Vohra. Nominations closed.
Vice Chair nominees:
Vohra
Goldstein
Jason Scheuer
Feldman
Pojunis
Vohra speeches have already been given.
Proceeding with VP nominations. 5 minutes each for speeches.
We have to vacate the hall by noon or 12:30 at the latest so they can set up for an unrelated event.
Tom- what’s your plan for November?
“Trump became known for his opposition to illegal immigration, his opposition to various free-trade agreements that he regards as unfair, his frequently non-interventionist views on foreign policy, and his proposal to temporarily ban foreign Muslims from entering the United States until Congress can determine how to address Islamic terrorism.”
His non-interventionist views are selective, and seen in the context of his other views as I laid out, are fool’s gold. He will actually end up as far more interventionist in foreign policy terms even than the status quo, just as he would in the areas of domestic social and economic policy. In other words, he will be a dangerous dictator if he comes to power. We’ll get to see what would have happened if Hitler had nukes.
Rand Paul supporting some fascist policies does not make those policies any less fascist and fascist they are. It also verges on establishment of religion, by discriminating indirectly on the basis of religion by official government policy.
In the same sense that a pileup train wreck is not perfect railroad operation.
Another falsehood. Trump will spend a billion or more to beat Clinton, and most of that will not be his own money.
Yet another falsehood. Different is not necessarily better. The Weimar Republic was a mess, and Hitler represented something different, but not better. And I don’t think that comparing Trump to Hitler is the least bit facetious or inaccurate.
Losty,
Kidding about what?
No, I am not kidding that there were some early attempts at a quorum call.
No, I am not kidding when I say that if a quorum call fails, the convention adjourns sine die without doing further business.
No, I am not kidding when I say that if I had known the delegates were later going to go two for two on shitting the bed with presidential and vice-presidential nominees, I would have joined in on the quorum call effort.
It’s certainly arguable that nominating NOTA for president and vice-president would hurt the party a little, but nearly as much as Johnson/Weld does. This convention was the latest in a string of suicide attempts. Too early to tell whether or not it was successful, especially given that brain death obviously preceded the attempt itself.
“… you will hear from Larry again …” – Mark Axinn
My checkbook is waiting for a full-on campaign for NY Gov in 2018 with targeted, major-network broadcast TV advertising that begins before the nominating convention.
Lark treated the crowd like university students, expecting respect and decorum, since he’s used to that, but it didn’t work.
Sarwark treated the delegates like kindergarten children and maintained reasonable order.
420-something people here. Quorum has been achieved and business can now begin.
Thomas you have got to be kidding…
Quorum call countoff proceeding
Weld probably told him to get rid of it! 😉
Rumor: Gary Johnson threw away a flintlock pistol that Austin Petersen gave him as a symbolically laden present. Petersen later recovered the pistol.
“And if due to forgotten checkouts there is not a quorum?”
Early in the convention, there were several feints at quorum calls which the chair deftly avoided. If I had known what was going to happen later, I’d have joined an effort to try and get the convention adjourned sine die for lack of quorum. Not the nicest way to get to NOTA, but pretty much ANY way to avoid Johnson/Weld would have been justified.
Goalposts moved. We now need 372 for quorum, 338 was mentioned earlier, so we are still working on it. Anyone who is in the hotel but not on the floor please get to the floor. If you are leaving and not coming back please check out formally as a delegate.
Anarcholibertarians are libertarians — even if they think non-anarchist libertarians aren’t.
Both anarchist and non-anarchist libertarians are libertarians. Some are more extreme than others. If, for example, the Republicans were called the Conservative Party, it would not be wrong to note that some Conservative Party members are more ideologically conservative than others, by way of analogy.
Did Feldman raise more than $5 per person? 😉
A little over 101 k raised at the banquet.
Larry Sharpe and Marc Feldman helped raise funds at the fundraising banquet.
Current estimate is we need 50 more people to make quorum.
I agree.
He said as much himself.
Agreed!
And if due to forgotten checkouts there is not a quorum?
If we don’t get quorum LNC will elect itself and JC will remain unfilled.
Operating off the hq network. It doesn’t work as well as my hotspot, which I can’t find. Red and black if anyone sees it.
Sarwark and Vohra speak for Vohra.
Vohra nomination speeches are up first. They are being done now even though we don’t have quorum so Vohra can go do scheduled media interviews later. When he gets formal nomination, after we get quorum, we will dispense with the speeches at that time.
By the way, i agree with those who said that Sarwark and Vohra did a great job controlling things.
Lark, on the other hand, looked like an overwhelmed substitute teacher, dealing with an unruly class.
I add my kudos to the several others on Nick’s re-election to chief cat-herder!
Nick has done a superb job as Chair.
James Weeks II is an embarrassment to the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement.
Ridiculous. Weeks’ stunt will be forgotten in a matter of days. Nominating Johnson/Weld, on the other hand, will produce a stench that lasts for years — just like Barr/Root continues to do.
>>After losing, Sharpe now tells us that he hadn’t even heard of the LP until 2012?
>I think that’s better than screwing us over in 2006 with the LPNY nomination. Granted I don’t know his views in detail but from what I do know he sounds like a real libertarian and presents very well (Sharpe).
Larry Sharpe is the real thing. He has worked hard in the LPNY for the last three years, is a regular at meetings, coached our Gubernatorial candidate two years ago and is a true rising star. I have been a member of the LP for 25 years and voted for Libertarian candidates for 35 years. That does NOT make me a better Libertarian than Larry or any other relative new-comer who has proved himself/herself over the past few years.
Mr. Weld was nominated (over my objection) for Governor in 2006, dropped out of the race (after repeatedly promising not to do so) six weeks later, and has not done anything for the LP or the LPNY since then.
I am cautiously optimistic about 2016. Gov. Weld can win a lot of converts and change a lot of minds in New York (the delegates voted 31-9 against him yesterday so New York is the most anti-Weld state in the LP right now) over the next few months, especially when petitioning starts on June 21.
I wish the Johnson/Weld team all the best success in the world this year.
And you will hear from Larry again too.
Video of Nick Sarwark interview on MSNBC played on the screen.
Those who support a non-interventionist foreign policy should back Trump or Castle.
Castle is a noninterventionist; Trump is most definitely not.
This interview with Scott Horton thoroughly debunks the idea that Trump is any sort of noniterventionist:
http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-652-that-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech/
We are back in the hall and trying to get enough people to the floor to do business. If anyone reading is a delegate, still in the hotel, and not on the floor yet, please get to the floor so business can be conducted in the officer and at large elections.
> 99.99% of Libertarians have never even laid eyes on “Real World Politics.”
Then that’s their own damn fault for not approaching the LP as a, you know, political party.
Real workd politics, Gene? Dude the LP has engaged in the real world of politics . . . for about twelve minutes of their 45 year history.
99.99% of Libertarians have never even laid eyes on “Real World Politics.”
It’s ugly stuff if you ever see it.
And Brian, appreciate the lessons on how Libertopia is supposed to work. It must be a magical place. Maybe we should make the Harry Potter troll thing our mascot as was suggested from the floor of the convention on c-span.
I wonder if the presentation by James Weeks II will aid in his campaign for Livingston County Michigan sheriff?
http://www.jamesweeksii.com/
Anarcholibertarians are libertarians — even if they think non-anarchist libertarians aren’t.
Brian Holtz, May 29,
> ” Sort of like how we laugh here at libertarians who wander into IPR and flaunt their misunderstanding of > libertarianism.”
You mean, like those who refer to themselves as libertarians AND anarchists; OFTEN IN THE SAME
SENTENCE!!!
“Social enforcement == mob rule” is a fallacy of equivocation, because “mob rule” is only bad when the mob uses force initiation. When the mob just uses voluntary freedom of association, that’s spontaneous order.
Now the standard is whether or not we’re offended.
Nope. If he strips on his own stage, and doesn’t fraudulently accept a nomination, then he’s just another wannabe-offensive clown, being laughed at in the clown gallery he non-fraudulently wandered into. Sort of like how we laugh here at libertarians who wander into IPR and flaunt their misunderstanding of libertarianism.
Antirevolutionary
May 28, 2016 at 19:23
Larry Elder is not doing well as moderator. All of the candidates seem fine so far.
I KNEW this was going to happen, the minute he published; “Six things you can’t say in America”
I keep a bar of soap and a toothbrush on hand for such occasions!
Off topic, was IPR’s Andy the sole write-in vote for Ron Paul?
“When you start bitching about a harmless prank, you look like a total tool.”
Which shows you don’t know jack shit about real world politics.
Signed, a “total tool”
Might be of interest to some:
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/29/libertarian-party-u-s-senate-candidate-augustus-invictus-voted-for-austin-petersen/
Social “enforcement” = Mob rule. Scary stuff. Sounds like a page out of a Ruwart book on libertopia.
It’s entertaining to see folks lower the bar further and further for NAP. Now the standard is whether or not we’re offended. Sounds just like a Bernie supporter to me.
Most human interactions have a tint of fraud in some manner, especially in politics. Johnson’s acceptance speech was likely the most fraudulent event — with the setting of Weld’s fundraising expectations.
There was no measurable harm done. The media and the people who were watching on C-Span were looking for the circus, and that wasn’t the only instance: rapping in a debate, Starchild’s costumes, Perry’s near vein burst, Phillies’ whining, the theme song, Lark’s near breakdown . . . it was all entertaining, and could easily be seen as embarrassing.
But that’s the beauty of the party. You don’t have to act like R’s and D’s and if you do, in today’s climate, it does significant harm.
Voters are more likely to go with the nerds, misfits and freaks than the standard politician these days. Just look at a Trump or Bernie rally. The days of button-upped politics are over.
People see honesty and passion with the LP, even if we’re not camera-ready.
When you start bitching about a harmless prank, you look like a total tool.
People like Nathan Norman ^^ do more damage to the libertarian movement.
A dancing man in a g-string doesn’t bother me. What’s bothering is this party is basically a GOP training camp for Special Interest minions. Sewark purred about the potential influx of $$$ from Kochs in a TV interview yesterday.
When does Austin Petersen start his new job with The Blaze?
It was straight-up fraud. He pretended to run for Chair so he could prank the LP on C-SPAN. It was straight-up trespass on a stage that was the (rented) property of the LP.
I’m a Starchild fan and defender, a works-in-San-Francisco un-prude who revels in the LP’s inclusiveness. But in this case, we need to show how a voluntary organization can enforce its unwritten norms without resort to the coercion or codification of the nanny state we oppose.
Those who can’t tell the difference between 1) force initiation and 2) social enforcement of norms need to re-enroll in Libertarianism 101. Those who make social sanctions impossible make the nanny state inevitable.
Weeks was HILARIOUS. Best part of the convention. Almost wish I had gone.
I was really surprised by the reaction but thinking about it, Many Libertarians are easily-offended prudes who worry too much about what others think and largely lack a sense of humor.
Oh well.
For any offended anarchists, just imagine how often you’d be offended in a stateless society. Would Weeks get kicked off the island for dancing in a Speedo?
From the lead of the Wikipedia article Donald Trump:
“Trump became known for his opposition to illegal immigration, his opposition to various free-trade agreements that he regards as unfair, his frequently non-interventionist views on foreign policy, and his proposal to temporarily ban foreign Muslims from entering the United States until Congress can determine how to address Islamic terrorism.”
My views on immigration are not in line with the open borders radicals, but, as Ron Paul believes, I believe that until you control the welfare state you cannot have completely open immigration. If not, you have a scourge of people entering the country to become dependent on government and then vote away the rights of those already here. That is the reality of immigration policy.
As for the ban on Muslims, this is not doable logistically. However, as Senator Rand Paul proposed, a freeze on immigration from Muslim majority nations is certainly doable.
His views are not perfect but he’s not beholden to special interests and neocons like most other Republicans (and now Libertarians). He’ll flip the existing system upside down, and that’s a good thing.
“I learned that the poll companies (and perhaps CPD) stated that they wouldn’t include libertarians without Weld. They’ve agreed to include us if he’s the pick. No Weld, and we get shut out again.”
Learned from who? Did the CEOs of Gallup and Rasmussen call her up and tell her that? Or was she bullshitted by some clever Johnson/Weld flunky?
“I got that message directly from someone outside the party.”
I’m dying to know who this was. If Libertarians can be so easily influenced and manipulated by messages from people outside the party, we will always be a pawn of others – as we showed ourselves today. The #NeverTrump Neocons now have their dream ticket, driving a ready-made electoral vehicle created by the blood, sweat, and tears of decades of Libertarian activists.
Signing off, most likely til tomorrow.
Rutherford 15.something %
Does anyone know if the presidential banquet will be streamed on Ustream?
Weld came to LPNY and said he would run LP whether or not GOP also nominated him. He was specifically asked about this. Then when GOP did not nominate him he dropped the LP. Signatures they collected for him became worthless. He burned the LP. So his bona fides in this case are nothing to brag about.
Or, for that matter, before November. But we shall see.
Nicholas Sarwark 464 votes 64.714%
Brett Pojunis 135 votes 18.828%
Mark Rutherford third
James Week II, future persona non grata at LP events 2 votes
That’s all I got from the Ustream channel.
“It was awful.” — Alicia Dearn
Welcome to the world of electoral politics. I got death threats and had my car tires slashed as a result of my Libertarian activism.
I don’t know the details of the LPNY Weld episode, but for libertarian bona fides it’s not hard to compare 1) someone endorsed for Governor in 2006 by the LPNY and 2) someone who never even heard of the LP until 2012.
We do run the risk that after November, Weld will go the way of Root. But one can hope that between now and November, Weld will help with fundraising and with winning the establishment mindshare needed to get Johnson into the debates.
Congrats to Nick Sarwark on your re-election.
Impressive job as convention chair.
Nick Sarwark re-elected chair with 64% and change, details upcoming
I gotta say that Nick Sarwack has done an outstanding job chairing this convention. I am happy he was just re-elected by such an overwhelming margin.
Looks like Sarwark was comfortably re-elected.
Well, that explains it then!
Shunned? Too Amish!
James Weeks was nominated at 5:23pm ET by “Roger Young [sic?] of the California delegation”. I’ve been active in the LPCA since 2000 and have never heard of him.
Both should be systematically shunned.
Alcoholism & Fascism, a couple of facts.
In “Ominous Parallels” Leonard Peikoff reports that concentation camp guards were often very drunk, in order to make their inhuman “duties” more bearable.
Possibly a more important connection of alcoholism and fascism (or at least National Socialism) was the fact that V-2 rockets were powered by potato alcohol.
In both cases, servants of National Socialism violated the NAP.
Trump has been yelling about Weld being an alcoholic, tweeting a Bostn.com article. There’s evidence of that of that in other older articles. Did find this from 2015. So hopefully if true he’s going to AA regularly. It works! “Weld touts app for recovering alcoholics” https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/16/weld-touts-app-for-recovering-alcoholics/pi2iThTADVdpARH29oR49H/story.html
Weld is 100% right in his comments about Trump’s fascist immigration and other policies being just like Kristallnacht. That doesn’t take anything away from the legitimate points about Weld that have been made by many here.
I likewise will not vote for a Weld/Johnson ticket.
Adam Kokesh/some other principled libertarian 2020. Judge Nap would be fantastic.
For 2016, right libertarians could consider Darrell Castle and left libertarians could consider Jill Stein. Both are principled, and while neither is a libertarian, neither endorsed Jeb Bush or is a CFR member.
About James Weeks II, from We Are Libertarians Facebook page:
James Weeks II is an embarrassment to the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement. First, he made a mockery of the debate by have zero solutions to grow the party. He only spouted purist applause lines and killing time that could have gone to the other four candidates that take this responsibility seriouslyThen he thinks this stunt today will help him draw attention to his campaign for Libertarian Party Chair. It drives fence sitters away from the Libertarian Party by showing that we aren’t a serious option. Ideas, strategies, and a winning attitude are what draws attention to a candidate. Not carnie sh*+. James owes an apology to every party member that promoted the live feed of the convention to friends and family to promote us as a serious alternative. I’d also encourage those that agree to leave their displeasure on his Facebook wall. – Chris Spangle
I like that Trump considers alcoholism and fascism to be comparable things.
Probably because they both end with -ism?
Trump responds to Weld’s ‘Kristallnacht’ comparison:
““I don’t talk about his alcoholism, so why would he talk about my foolishly perceived fascism?” Trump told The New York Times through a spokeswoman. The comment appeared as part of article published Saturday about the rise of right-wing nationalism in other countries amid his campaign’s success.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/05/29/response-kristallnacht-comparison
Also agreed!
Agreed!
I hope the idea of running Sharpe as the LP candidate for Governor in New York in 2018 will germinate into a plan.
I don’t see how a 2012 date for hearing about the LP is important.
Sarwark has done a fantastic job controlling this group… re-elect him and let him get back to work.
No, I’m 100% serious. I really wish I wasn’t.
I think that’s better than screwing us over in 2006 with the LPNY nomination. Granted I don’t know his views in detail but from what I do know he sounds like a real libertarian and presents very well (Sharpe).
Actually, and sadly, Paulie’s views on Trump are no exageration.
To say the least.
And I will not support the candidates of theocratic, socially reactionary parties that oppose free trade and immigration/emigration rights as well.
Hyperbole? Just a little?
Not to be outdone Rutherford brings up his family too.
Sorry for the aside.
Back to business here.
Sarwark brought up his family to standing ovation. Rutherford nomination speeches following.
Sure, if you don’t count China. Or Japan. Or Mexico and the rest of Latin America. Or Europe. Or the whole Muslim world when Trump monitors American Muslims, tortures suspects (far worse than waterboarding), kills their family members, bombs the shit out of them, takes their oil, censors the internet, starts trade wars, rounds up and deports tens of millions of immigrants, workers and their American citizen children, destroys the US economy, makes the US an international pariah nation, has mobs beat up journalists and dissenters, “punishes” companies for outsourcing or moving overseas, insults other foreign leaders and gets insulted any time they criticize him as they get in wars of words, and makes the military bigger than ever before.
Definitely sounds like a recipe for non-interventionism to me!
Or more realistically, a recipe for bankruptcy like Trump’s businesses have repeatedly had, economic ruin, war to turn around his flagging popularity that will result from an economy in tailspin, and Trump spelling his name in giant letters made of nuclear fireballs on the side of the planet (much as he does on the side of his buildings) as he destroys all life on this planet.
@ Brian Holtz
Sharpe, at least, has a grasp of the principles. Despite being on the ballot on a regular basis in most states, you’d be surprised at how many people don’t know about the LP or what it is. When I tell people of my political activities I encounter more people who’ve never heard of the party than people who have a less than favorable opinion of the LP. Even among staunch Republicans and I live in a state where the GOP literally hates the LP and our candidates so much that they’ve rigged the nomination process to keep the LP off of the ballot.
too much of
“Those who support a non-interventionist foreign policy should back Trump or Castle.” – William Saturn
Castle perhaps but I fear Trump is way too of megalomaniac for me.
After losing, Sharpe now tells us that he hadn’t even heard of the LP until 2012?
Weeks and his nominators should be sanctioned and shunned.
After our best POTUS-nominating race in decades, our VP proceedings were a sad joke. I sure hope Weld will be worth the circus it took to get him nominated. Judge Gray probably could have been nominated by acclamation…
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/libertarian-party1
Endorsers for Sarwark: D. Frank Robinson, Arvin Vohra…
Well, at least I can stick a fork in national. Feel a bit sad for Sarwark and others I respect but the rank-and-file’s selection of Weld is it for me. I stomached Barr and while Weld is only on the Veep slot, I cannot embrace a presidential nominee that stands by an opponent of the Second Amendment and a supporter of Bush’s wars abroad (both violations of our principles). No more of my money will go to national but I suppose the GOP bag men will take care of that.
I’ll stick with my local and state parties, the ones that are actually libertarian and embrace it.
Johnson-Weld is this year’s neocon ticket. Those who support a non-interventionist foreign policy should back Trump or Castle.
Sorry typo in email…
Cspan cut away, any stream that works?
Business will start at 8:30 am tomorrow. I missed Larry Sharpe’s speech and probably Weld’s and barely made it to the bathroom. Nomination speeches for Sarwark are next.
Cspan cut out, is a stream working?
Maybe.
And at what cost?
We shall see.
“Looks like I won’t be voting LP this year.” – William Saturn
I believe that makes two of us!
Trent- I think most libertarians are apoplectic!
Looks like millions of individuals WILL be voting LP this year … for the first time.
The true, hard-core, dedicated radical Libertarians who want to build an effective movement for liberty will be there to greet them, welcome them, teach them and lead them.
Media, money, membership, momentum … a breakthrough year is at hand.
Thank god, the LP nominates a ticket that the average American could actually consider voting for. I’m sure Knapp will be apoplectic.
In the unlikely event that Johnson/Weld actually win, I’d be willing to wager a sizable sum that Johnson doesn’t make it through the first year and is brushed aside (one way or another) so Weld can become the internationalist warmongering bipartisan gun-grabbing “centrist” president the Neocons wanted all along. Maybe there will be a discussion about whether the top income tax bracket should be 35% again instead of 39%, but on the whole there is no doubt Americans would be less free after three or seven years of a President Weld.
There’s a reason Obama didn’t pick Hillary as his veep candidate, instead choosing someone far less ruthless and ambitious – ambivalent, even about whether he (Biden) wanted to be President. Weld might be a Sugar Daddy during campaign season, but there will be a price to be paid should a johnson/Weld ticket actually win.
Looks like I won’t be voting LP this year.
This is what that Republican takeover many were prophesying a few months ago looks like.
Weld gets it with 50.5% on the second ballot.
This is the party that nominated Richard Campagna because he claimed he’d kick in a few dollars. Weld absolutely brings the potential for big media and big money…
Sarwark calms the crowd.
Professional.
Well, that little striptease routine was pretty embarrassing.
Johnson said he had raised 8 million in his political career but Weld had raised 250 million.
If he did, I missed it.
Supposedly Weld can raise a ton of money! We shall see.
$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!
At anytime during the convention, did Johnson address why chose a gun control zealot as his desired VP? A supporter if Bush’s wars as his desired VP? A supporter of Obama and Romney as his desired VP?
http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas/2016/05/libertarians-convene-elect-presidential-candidate-160529034526189.html
Charles D Frohman
May 29 at 7:14am
CNN: Great video interview. This morning is the prez vote. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153498905811651&id=579996650&comment_id=10153499160811651¬if_t=feed_comment¬if_id=1464491476854781&ref=m_notif
Chair nominations, 10 min each.
James Weeks II strips down to a speedo, says it was a dare and withdraws. Brett Pojunis speeches are up next.
James Weeks is on national tv. What did he just do.
Clown.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/mary-matalin-republicans-libertarians-johnson-223694#ixzz4A5BhxrDZ
Very Bad taste.
Get the male stripper off the national stage.
Mary Matalin: ‘2-party system is ready to fall’
By Kristen East
05/29/16 01:13 PM EDT
Longtime Republican strategist Mary Matalin — who registered as a Libertarian earlier this month — said this weekend that “the two-party system is ready to fall.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/mary-matalin-republicans-libertarians-johnson-223694#ixzz4A5C8CwCw
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Writing before Johnson was nominated, Matalin said the time is ripe “for a new majority political party to rise.”
“For many Americans — as is evidenced by its exponential recent growth — that common-sense alternative is the Libertarian Party,” she wrote.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/mary-matalin-republicans-libertarians-johnson-223694#ixzz4A5BhxrDZ
It is incredible how long it takes to do something so easy.
Grayson: “I don’t care about your party”. Then why did you waste our time running for our V.P. nomination?
Dearn: if you had coherently endorsed Weld the first time you semi-tried to do so, then you could have saved us 30 minutes of wasted C-SPAN time.
Nick is doing a great job.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/live-from-the-lp-convention-the-presidential-candidates/
YUP
Weld has this sewn up.
Shawna Sterling allegedly supports Sharpe.
Grayson endorses Sharpe.
” Nick Sarwack and his staff have been doing a great job. ”
Agree 100%.
Re-elect Sarwark.
Grayson withdraws. Gets 2 min.
Dearn endorses Weld. Mix of cheers and boos.
Dearn now gets her 2 min.
Sarwark has done a tremendous job running this thing.
Jim Lark looks like he wants to punch someone.
Gene- really? It’s Sarwark!
+1
Weld is now trending #2 on twitter according to someone at one of the mics.
I have been watching the convention on CSPAN and Nick Sarwack is doing a great job chairing, as is the Vice-Chair Mr Vohra.
And from all appearances, and given the favorable political climate this year, Nick Sarwack and his staff have been doing a great job. I hope the convention re-elects Nick as National Chair.
Maybe they were talking about Laura Ebke. She’s a self-identified ‘conservative libertarian,’ though she was elected to the Nebraska Legislature as a Republican.
http://gdspoliticalanimal.blogspot.ca/2015/02/laura-ebke-libertarian-voice-in.html
Alicia Dearn left the building but wants her 2 minutes in 10 min when she returns.
“Also, Nebraska delegation chair mentioned that Nebraska now has a LP state senator. Who is that?”
As far as I know, they’ve only one elected person: a city councillor, Keith Ottersberg. Nevada has a state assemblyman who crossed the floor from the GOP, John Moore.
Coley gets his 2 minutes finally….
Please advise the A/V guys.
There is no video on UStream just the Legalize Freedom logo from the computer hookup.
At least the Libertarians went down fighting! They didn’t make it a coronation. The Republicans had to work for the takeover; it wasn’t just handed to them. Oh well, after 4 years of (fill in the blank) the LP will come screaming back with another pair of GOP re-treads!
Phillies motion carries.
Phillies moves so Chair and Vice Chair nominations can proceed during second round voting for VP.
Dangnabbit
That close.
Round 2
Dearn is dropped. Coley drops out and endorses Sharpe. Dearn and Coley will now address the body for 2 min each. Correction, not yet clear whether Dearn wants to address.
Sharpe 264 (30.380%), write-ins 1 each Daniel Hogan, Gary Johnson, Austin Petersen. Some NOTA which I will need to calculate or get elsewhere as the screen was switched.
Weld needs like 9-10 votes. He’ll seal it on the second round.
Total 869 Colley 93, Dearn 29, Grayson 48,
Weld 49.022%, 422 votes
Trump spokeswoman, not Trump himself, according to the only story I have seen so far (on someone else’s phone)
NY Times according to a link on someone else’s phone next to me. I haven’t looked for the link yet myself.
Could someone make a request for information to determine where Trump attacked Johnson?
Vohra: Trump is attacking not just Johnson but candidate(s) for LP VP nomination.
P: Where?
Johnson post is # 11 on the front page of reddit
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/29/william-weld-on-why-libertarians
HIT & RUN BLOG
William Weld on Why Libertarians Can Trust Him as Vice President: New at Reason
Matt Welch, Zach Weissmueller & Joshua Swain|May. 29, 2016 8:18 am
For immediate release
May 29, 2016 afternoon
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Libertarian presidential candidate named; VP balloting underway
Press conference following VP selection in Ballroom A
ORLANDO – He’s already at over 10% in four polls….
Today Libertarian Party delegates elected Gov. Gary Johnson, two-term governor of New Mexico, to be the party’s nominee for President of the United States, with a mission of moving America in the direction of more personal freedom, fiscal responsibility, and less military intervention.
“We already have over 411,000 registered Libertarian voters,” said Nicholas Sarwark, Libertarian Party Chair. “And now we’ve nominated Gov. Gary Johnson as our presidential candidate for 2016. Together, he and the other Libertarian candidates will propel the rapid growth of the LP all across America and give disenfranchised voters a real choice for less government and more freedom.”
Gov. Johnson is a successful businessman and a crusader for fiscal responsibility, free enterprise and individual liberties. As governor, he vetoed over 750 bills, perhaps more vetoes than all other 49 governors combined. He cut taxes 14 times while maintaining New Mexico as one of only four states in the country with a balanced budget. He was the first U.S. governor to call for ending marijuana prohibition.
The Libertarian Party is the only alternative political party in the United States expected to be on the ballot in all fifty states this November.
After winning on the second ballot, Johnson implored delegates in his acceptance speech to elect former Massachusetts governor William Weld to be his running mate.
Six candidates met the 30-vote threshold to be eligible for the vice presidential nomination:
Gov. William Weld – 192 votes
Larry Sharpe – 161
Alicia Dearn – 104
Will Coley – 61
Judd Weiss – 46
Derrick Grayson – 33
Others under thirty votes – 109
A motion from the floor was defeated which would have made the other presidential candidates eligible for the VP nomination. In spite of this, the candidates received some votes, but not enough to push any of them over the 30-vote threshold:
Austin Peterson – 17
Marc Alan Feldman – 9
John McAfee – 6
Darryl Perry – 2
Delegates will select Johnson’s running mate later today. If no candidate for vice president attains a majority on the first ballot, the candidate finishing last will be eliminated from the race. In addition, any candidate polling less than 5 percent will also be eliminated from the subsequent ballot. A candidate securing a majority of convention delegates will be the vice presidential nominee.
The LNC will hold a press conference following the selection of the VP nominee in Ballroom A.
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So, some of us are more extreme than others. Doesn’t mean we can’t all work together and move in the same direction unless and until public policy gets too libertarian for some of you.
http://www.latimes.com/la-na-trailguide-05282016-dream-ticket-of-gary-johnson-1464470874-htmlstory.html
Caryn Ann Harlos calls for unity in literally the same breath as she calls many delegates non-Libertarian (“libertarian wing of the Libertarian party”).
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/281642-johnson-wins-libertarian-nomination
https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/libertarian-national-convention/gary-johnson-won-libertarian-party-nomination-president/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gary-johnson-wins-libertarian-nomination-president/story?id=39462969
Not sure if there’s any merit to the claim. Just checked Trump’s twitter and didn’t see anything.
Claim from the floor that Trump is now attacking Johnson.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/don-kissick/johnson-nomination-just-one-of-three-major-steps-for-the-libertarian-party/1024131264290434
Ms. Dearne, if you love the LP and bleed yellow, then don’t waste the LP’s time on C-SPAN. Ditto to Mr. Video Judd Weiss, who should understand how precious our C-SPAN time is. And now I’m watching some video about Larry Sharpe’s family medical history…
The Bylaws Committee needs to fix how our VP nominating process. Watching this on C-SPAN, this is an embarrassment — especially after how good our POTUS debate was.
Maybe you have a bird’s eye view that I lack. Or maybe I have my ear to the ground in a way that you don’t.
I think the first ballot will show Weld support has collapsed.
My guess for top of the first ballot: Grayson (TMOT) or Coley.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/29/politics/libertarian-party-nominee-vote/index.html
https://www.facebook.com/notes/don-kissick/the-third-step-in-building-a-libertarian-major-party/1024147590955468
Watching C-SPAN I get the impression Weld is a done deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnx_9fCQZk&feature=share
Justin Krause
May 29 at 3:25pm
GJ #1 trending topic on Facebook #18 on Twitter right now.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?409916-1/libertarian-party-holds-presidential-debate
http://www.thedailyliberator.com/gary-johnson-becomes-2016-libertarian-presidential-nominee/
I do not get that sense. I am not saying he won’t get it but I am not going to bet he will either. This one has some drama and could go multiple ballots with the outcome yet to be obvious. I could be wrong but that is my sense of this floor.
Sounds like Weld is a lock.
Motion to suspend the rules and dispense with state by state announcements passes. Proceeding to first ballot.
Great impassioned plea from Governor Johnson.
The convention should go along with this, and then hold their feet to the fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMqAfg8pRRg
Indeed. Or TMOT, or Coley, or even Alicia Dearn…
Yes, he lives in NYC. Another great opportunity to follow a Johnson/Weld ticket. I will donate.
Larry Sharpe
Governor
New York 2018
He has a varied background which began as a US Marine. After the Marines, Larry became an English teacher for a few years and then worked in several B-to-C and B-to-B sales positions. In 2001, he started Prime Distribution Inc., but sold this business after two years.
Larry founded Neo-Sage® in 2004 and has been training top-tier professionals ever since. He has been an interim Executive VP and Sales VP for public companies and an executive coach for senior and C-Suite management.
He has been:
•a Guest Instructor at Columbia’s Graduate School of Business
•a Guest Instructor at Yale University School of Management
•an Instructor for Baruch College’s Continuing & Professional Studies department
•an Instructor for John Jay College’s Veteran Career Transition Program
•the Strategy Director of the New York City Bastiat Society
•the Eastern Region Deputy Director of the Our America Initiative
•An assistant Basketball Coach for his daughter’s team at St. Demetrios School
He has a Bachelor’s Degree in Anthropology from the University of Maryland and lives in NYC, with his wonderful wife that he met in high school and their two daughters.
Johnson should hire Sharpe to coach him on public speaking.
Feel Deez Nuts!
VP nomination closed. Johnson gets another 5 min to stump for Weld now.
Coley mentions Deez Nuts in his speech.
Colley up for himself…
Additional endorsers for Colley: Heshim El-Meligy, Steve Scheetz
Great idea. Mr. Sharpe is an excellent speaker with a compelling personal story. I believe he does live in NY, although the only thing I heard him say is that he grew up there.
The Johnson management can’t coach Johnson.
Jesus Christ, she basically gave Weld a softball opportunity to seal this and he bungled it. Was this Dearn campaign a placeholder all along that was intended to roll over for Weld or whoever GJ recruited?
Harlos: Even though I endorsed someone else, endorsing Johnson. Commends Johnson for class campaign. Need to balance the ticket with a hardcore libertarian. Weld needs to pay his dues in the party before getting a major title such as VP nomination.
Larry Sharpe … does he live in New York?
If so … This guy should be your next candidate for Governor of NY. 2018.
Last up Colley. Caryn Harlos is up first for Colley.
The LP needs Weld, despite his clumsiness. Johnson needs Weld. Why can’t the Johnson management team coach him? He’s a smart guy, he’ll get it.
Sharpe video followed by Sharpe live.
It’s an option and not unprecedented.
I heard a mix of yes and no from different people around me.
Alicia Dearn … nice job. Great person. Class act.
Clumsy response from Weld. I think he’s never had to deal before with a spontaneous mass movement of brilliant, dedicated, sincere individuals.
Is this normal to show a video in lieu of a speech?
Dearn asks if that was enough and there was a loud resounding “no” from the audience.
He already did, in NY in 2006. Unfortunately the video evidence has recently been taken down. I wonder why?
Alicia Dearn gave a pretty tepid speech, but really I’m shocked Gov. Weld got up on stage to even entertain an impromptu pledge like that. Not his finest moment and pretty much sealed his loss IMO.
Dearn brings up Weld and makes him promise not to go back to GOP . She then semi-endorses Weld but says she is still winning to serve if given the VP nomination. Says it is important to have party unity and support Johnson but is not sure herself how she will vote yet.
Next up: Larry Sharpe.
Please just say the words, Governor Weld … say it …
“I will never betray the Libertarian Party.”
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Derrick_Grayson.htm
According to his Nolan chart answers:
Derrick Grayson is a Moderate Libertarian Conservative.
Shame on Mcafee for polluting the convention floor with identity-politics nonsense. The idea of liberty is color-blind and gender-neutral. The LP needs no women-outreach lessons from this guy:
Dearn speaks for party unity and support for Johnson.
Thanks Petersen for his endorsement and McAfee for encouragement and work on developing technology to help down ticket candidates. Also Gary Johnson for running twice.
Nominations for Alicia Dearn are up next. Dearn is up speaking for herself.
The question of Minister Grayson’s party membership as well as Gov. Weld’s was raised and referred to staff.
Minister Grayson delivered an impassioned speech for himself.
Derrick Grayson was a 2016 Republican candidate who sought election to the U.S. Senate from Georgia.[1] Grayson was defeated by incumbent Johnny Isakson in the Republican primary on May 24, 2016.[2]
Grayson was a 2014 Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Georgia.[3] Grayson was defeated in the Republican primary on May 20, 2014.
Republican constitutionalist. Has Mr. Grayson actually joined the LP? Of course we do welcome newcomers, so I hope so.
Sam Sloan objects to Weiss getting 15 minutes after saying at the outset he was not running. Also objects to M Carling being on stage. Delegates vote overwhelmingly to allow M to stay. Sam Sloan has more but is ruled out of order and told politely to sit down and shut up.
I was wrong! Derrick Grayson does get his own set of nomination speeches, in addition to the one from McAfee/Weiss.
Judd Weiss … mostly babbling … yeah, we need to sell better. Make nice videos. Fine.
“Vote Different.” Nice slogan. Isn’t that recycled from Johnson in 2012?
Endorses someone else – makes few points and litle sense. Withdrawal from nomination warranted.
Not really. Totally expected.
If Weiss keeps talking, Johnson’s nominee won’t be selected till next week.
Also, Nebraska delegation chair mentioned that Nebraska now has a LP state senator. Who is that?
Weiss endorses Will Colley.
I did not see that one coming!
Judge Gray for Weld is a big get. He’s a real team player.
Weiss: LP is like engineers trying to run the sales Department. Trump is sales without substance.
Judd Weiss declines VP nomination.
Next up is Weld for himself.
The only positive he listed was that Weld cut a check to be a life member of the LP. However Feldman mentioned several devastating arguments against Weld in his “nomination speech.” And he got the Johnson campaign to “pay” for it 🙂
McAfee is a scam artist and a joke. I wouldn’t be shocked to hear he’s run off to Venezuela in a few months when the SEC starts to investigate the pump and dump penny stock scam he’s spent the last few months orchestrating.
Just saw Darryl Perry warn against taking a government welfare check for The Libertarian Party.
I too oppose taking government subsidies – I don’t get government subsidies for my book shop, unlike Amazon.com which gets $600 million from the C.I.A. – but in invoking The Reform Party, Mr Perry made a statement on their history that is misleading.
Mr Perry said that The Reform Party began its decline after taking a government check in 2000. Yes, in 2000, Pat Buchanan went for The Reform Party nomination so that he could get that check – 12.6 million dollars. Mr Perry implies that The Reform Party did not take government money before that.
In fact, after spending nearly 80 million dollars on his 1992 independent campaign, Ross Perot formed The Reform Party for the express purpose of getting government funding. In 1996 the taxpayers provided 26 million dollars for Ross Perot’s campaign on The Reform Party ticket.
It is likely that other factors contributed to the decline of The Reform Party, including a lack of clear focus other that its candidates, the split over Pat Buchanan’s campaign, and normal mortality rates among the older people who voted for Perot in 1992 and 1996.
Feldman: if not for Johnson I would not support Weld. Mentions many of the bad things with Weld. Then goes on to list the positives.
Weld nomination speech draws mix of boos and applause. Feldman is up next with a nomination of Weld.
However, I don’t believe Minister Grayson was nominated…am I wrong?
Mix of both.
Darryl Perry spent his concession speech stumping for Will Colley for VP.
Petersen was the only one I noticed actually endorsing Johnson, although I may have missed parts.
Next up: VP nomination speeches. First up: Judge Jim Gray for Gov. Weld.
Ouch.
Who will McAfee or perry go for for VP?
If either goes for Weld…
According to Avens, Weiss isn’t interested in being VP under Johnson.
McAfee spends his concession speech berating delegates for being mostly white and disproportionately male and speaking about Derrick Grayson aka TMOT (the Minister of Truth), a black preacher from Atlanta who endorsed Ron Paul and iirc the Constitution Party candidates. Not sure if he was endorsing TMOT for VP or what? And what happened to Weiss?
CSPAN just showed Bill Redpath angrily talking and gesturing at Petersen.
Maybe because Petersen attacked Weld and endorsed Alicia Dearn in his concession speech?
I did not heer boos when Petersen did that, only loud applause?
McAfee endorses Derrick Grayson for VP. What the hell happened to Weiss?
Petersen endorses Johnson, Alicia Dearn for VP:
We are back in session. After a standing count (!?!!!!) we are allowing for two minute concession speeches. Feldman is up first.
“Cody do you also support the neocon, gun-grabbing CFR member for VP?”
Chris, did you not read my previous post?!
Good article at Reason “6 Reasons Libertarian Party Delegates Are Wary of William Weld”
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/29/6-reasons-libertarian-party-delegates-ar
http://hammeroftruth.com/2016/gary-johnson-wins-lp-presidential-nomination/
Now the hard part begins …
“Drunk guy encouraged by Will Colley”
Is that the VP candidate some are behind???
If that post is tru that’s less presidential than Admiral Stockdale.
Excitement or no, I’ll have to coffee-up to see what happens next.
after johnson’s first ballot, this was always incredibly likely, despite Knapp’s poor prognostication.
It’ll be interesting to see how the VP voting goes though. I’m excited.
According to Wikipedia:
Libertarian National Convention Presidential vote,
2016 – 2nd Ballot[6]
Candidate First Ballot Percentage
Gary Johnson 518 56%
Austin Petersen 203 21.9%
John McAfee 131 14.2%
Darryl Perry 52 5.6%
Marc Allen Feldman 18 1.9%
Others 3 0.3%
I’m surprised 9 Perry voters from the first round voted for Johnson or Petersen.
Cody do you also support the neocon, gun-grabbing CFR member for VP?
Gary Johnson just gave the most sincere acceptance speech … It gives me a whole new level of respect for the man.
He’s correct that we need to add Governor Weld to the ticket. The reasons were laid out sincerely and honestly. Weld will add the gravitas, attention, seriousness and money to the campaign that the LP needs.
All of the honest, sincere NAP supporters, those hardcore radical LP members … You should get out there and run for lower offices … And Win. Show how it’s done. Get elected and be our top of the ticket candidates in the future. Give us all someone to send our donations to.
The “guy who was clearly intoxicated and potentially dangerous” as I understand it was Mark Herd.
Business resumes at 2:05 for VP noms (45 min). VP tokens expiring. GJ Press conference in Salon A.
Johnson spends his acceptance speech stumping for Weld.
Hogarth text for rads: stay on the floor and vote for Colley!
Me too. Will post if and when I see one. If someone else has a link please post it.
55% isn’t that close.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/28/a-moment-on-the-libertarian-convention-f
Just barely…
Would like to see the tote board on that…
“He said in the LP. Hopefully that will hold true.”
I agree; despite his personality, I am in agreement with a lot of his views. If he mellows out on his online behavior, mends broken ties with the LP base and promotes the LP in the long term, then I will seriously consider backing him for the 2020 presidential elections, if he runs again.
He said in the LP. Hopefully that will hold true.
(Susan Hogarth reports elsewhere) 55% for Johnson on 2nd ballot.
… I wonder how Petersen is going to react though? Will he remain with the LP… Or bolt to the Trump-side?
YESSSSSSS!
IN YO’ FACE TOM!
Johnson wins on 2nd ballot
942 credentialed for 2nd ballot. 928 were cast.
2nd ballot is counted. About to be announced.
Resolution passed to thank Clinton and Trump for bringing people to the LP.
Resolution passed to thank Vicki Kirkland for helping bring this convention to Orlando and wishing her speedy recovery on her recent illness.
TK: “OK, now let’s SEND JOHNSON HOME.”
I see your preference, NOTA, is just 49 points behind. Go for it!
Suspension of the rules for P tokens to be counted as VP tokens if the P candidates so choose defeated. Dispensing rules to not read state by state on 2nd ballot passed.
Paulie, I couldn’t pick McCormick out of a lineup, but that was one heck of a line…
Well, I’m worried that anyone but GJ and the (major) press will still cover, but be less inclined to consider a viable candidacy…
With GJ, the party can get their 5-10% (and maybe polling 15. He won’t get 15, but polling is all that counts, then it’s up to him.
May be 100% wrong, but see all the coverage so far: not the LP in most cases, GJ.
Credentials
920 delegates and 86 eligible alternates, total 1006 that can cast 946 votes (how does that work?)
I didn’t get what his point was either.
I’m perplexed, but my guess is that Losty means that the LP missed its chance to elect the next POTUS by failing to embrace the last minute candidacy of Kevin McCormick. Did I understand that correctly?
Please explain. How so?
The LP, grasping defeat from the jaws of victory…
This vote should be very interesting…
2nd round has already voted, now being counted.
If no one wins a majority on the second ballot the next lowest candidate will be dropped – presumably either Feldman or Perry if 1st round patterns hold, which is likely. That candidate can then choose to endorse someone or not. If they do, their supporters are free to ignore the endorsement. My UNOFFICIAL info is that if the remaining candidates besides GJ endorse anyone at all on additional ballots, if any, it will be someone besides Johnson in all cases.
A US Election Atlas Forum member already has a map of the first ballot: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=237577.msg5089316#msg5089316
One final thought; McCormick’s candidacy looks a little suspicious now; would it have made a big difference if Feldman had been the one to be dropped instead? Was he allowed to be nominated just so that the last place candidate would only get a few votes, so the second ballot would be similar to the first ballot? This gives Johnson a good chance to win by just a few votes.
Arvin forgot IPR. WTF? 😛
Libertarians trending on twitter. Many major media being named for covering.
Feldman almost beat Perry. Any chance of one of them dropping out to support the other?
I have to leave all day so I can’t help out with counting anymore; will look forward to reading the updates when I get back.
Votes in Florida. Johnson 28. Peterson. 13. Perry 5. Feldman 4. McAfee. 3. Total 53
http://www.univision.com/noticias/elecciones-2016/el-partido-libertario-busca-atraer-a-los-desencantados-con-donald-trump-y-hillary-clinton
Krzysztof,
As always, I could be wrong — and as close as Johnson came that’s especially true.
On the other hand, I KNOW some delegates who agreed to vote Johnson first ballot and who intend not to if there are subsequent ballots. So it’s a matter of whether he loses more that way or gains more as other candidates are eliminated. I am still confident that he can be beat, although Petersen seems most well set to win if he is.
Note to next convention committee:
*1-880-ELECTUS and LP.ORG on the dang signs seen on TV (if they’re there, not noticeable)
* High quality expensive audio-visual managers PLEASE
* Get the chair a danged gavel to keep the delegate noise down
* Chair, practice roberts rules a lot before convention
* Get at least one little american flag so we don’t have to hear multiple complaints
I can live with Johnson – just make sure he has a hardcore libertarian on his policy staff teaching him libertarianism every single day!!! WHO has he got close to him now??
Got it:
The actual calculations were on the screen but not long enough for me to get them down. Anyone else manage to get them all? Percentages above are my own extrapolation from the GJ number and percent.
So by my calculation 1st ballot:
925 votes cast GJ 458=49.514%
Petersen 197/925 = 21.297%
McAfee 131/925 = 14.162%
Perry 63/925 = 6.811%
Feldman 58/925 = 6.270%
McCormick 9/925 = 0.973%
Var Others 1/925 each = 0.108%
Wow, I’m surprised. I was 100% sure Johnson would get it on the first ballot. It seemed like it watching the balloting on CSPAN.
Tom Knapp said that if Johnson doesn’t win on the first ballot, he doesn’t win at all.
But I think Johnson is going to get it, I mean he barely missed it. I don’t foresee a miracle happening. Still, the delegates deserve credit for not giving him a first ballot victory. Congrats to them. I honestly think it is a somewhat of a miracle he came just a hair shy of 50%. Perry 2016 for second round all the way. And Petersen did better than I thought he was doing watching C-SPAN.
Hopefully Weld will be rejected. Coley for VP.
Lol at the jab at Petersen from the guy who said something to the effect of “online polls don’t mean jack shit” on national television.
I gotta say, given this surprising first ballot result, I really regret not being at this convention. I want to get my s**t together and be at the conventions in 2018 and 2020.
Gotcha…
The prez nomination might be decided on the second one, perhaps.
Yes. McCormick will be dropped.
2018, New Orleans.
So it’s going to the second ballot now, Paulie?
*Correction on my last post- I simply meant the LP national convention in 2020- almost slipped my mind that it’s every 2 years.
OK, now let’s SEND JOHNSON HOME.
MAF 58
GJ 458
MCAF 131
McCo 9
DWP 63
AWP 197
Ron P 1
Vermin 1
Missed the rest, GJ at 49.514%
Correction, 2nd ballot..barely misses 1st ballot win
Johnson wins barely on first ballot with 51.4%
DE
1 McCormick 1 Petersen 1 GJ
CT
4 AP
3 McAF
3 GJ
CA 115 delegates. Supreme 1 Zeiman 1, McCormick 3, Perry 4, Feldman 4, McAfee 21, Peterson 33, Johnson 48.
CO
1 MCAF
1 Derrick Grayson
2 AP
2 AWP
17 GJ
CA
1 Vermin
1 Zeman
1 McCo
4 DWP
4 MAF
21 McAf
33 AP
48 GJ
AR
NOTA 1
MAF 1
McAF 3
GJ 4
AZ AP 2 DWP 2 McCormick 2 MAF 2 McAf 7 GJ 11
AK
1 MAF
5 AP
AL
1 AP
2 DWP
3 McAf
7 GJ
WY Perry 1 GJ 2
WI Perry 1 McAfee 2 GJ 13
Washington Feldman 1, Peterson 3? McAfee 10, Johnson 13.
WV 5 for AP
WA Feld 1 AP 3 McAf 10 GJ 13
My take-
If Johnson doesn’t win on the first ballot, then it’s very likely to come down to between Johnson & Petersen.
Yet even in that case, I see Johnson prevailing in the end in that scenario.
For the record, I am not officially supporting Weld, however I think some of the criticism of him is highly overblown and exaggerated, IMO. Yet if Weld loses the VP nomination, and as long as a practical-minded and popular candidate is pick, whom has a broad appeal to the various voter groups, then that’s alright with me.
While indeed I need to get better involved with my state Libertarian Party, I do hope to be at the next LP national convention in 2020.
VA 1 no vote Feld 1 Perry 2 McAfee 2 Petersen 6 GJ 19
Utah Feldman 1, Johnson 2,McAf 2, Peterson 2, Ron Paul 1.
VT 3 McAfee
UT Feld 1 GJ 2 McAF2 Pete 2 Ron Paul 1
Texas has 60 delegates. Perry 2, Feldman 7, Peterson 10, McAfee 15, Johnson 26.
TX Perry 2 Feld 7 Pete 10 McAf 15 GJ 26
Hey, didn’t they skip one?
Nevermind… 🙂
TN 1 Perry,3 McAfee, 14 GJ
SD 1 GJ
SC 4 Petersen, 9 GJ
Ohio was the one that had 21 for Johnson; OK had 2 for Johnson and others 1 or 2. Pennsylvania Johnson 16, Perry 12, Peterson 6, McAfee 4, Feldman 3
RI 3 for GJ
PA GJ 16, DWP 12, AP 6, McAfee 4, MAF 3, 1 abstain
OK 1 Perry, 1 Petersen, 2 McAfee, .. 21 Johnson? Missed some
OH
?????……??????
Johnson 21
North Carolina Pery 1 McCormick 1 McAfee 2 Peterson 3 Feldman 4 Johnson 18. In New York everyone besides Johnson and Peterson got below 5.
ND 1 Johnson, 2 McAfee, 2 Petersen
N C 1 Perry 1 McCormick … ? ? … 4 Feldman, 18 Johnson
NY 0 NOTA 16 Petersen 16 Johnson missed the rest
NM 2 Perry, 11 Johnson
New Hampshire chair is babbling too long. Peterson 1, Johnson 1, McAfee 2, Perry 5.
NJ 2 Feldman, 9 Johnson, 5 McAfee, 2 Perry, 5 Petersen
NH AP 1, Johnson 1, McAfee 2, Perry 5
Nevada Nota 1, Peterson 1, Johnson 11.
Nevada 11 Johnson… 1 NOTA … ? Petersen
Johnson got the majority in Minnesota.
NE 2 Johnson 6 Petersen..they have 2nd national LP legislator right now
MT Feldman 1 Johnson 1 McAfee ? Petersen 2 Perry ? None over 2
Peterson wins Missouri with 12 of 24 votes!
Looks like it may go a second ballot. Maybe then people will stop fucking around and start voting libertarian.
MO
Feldman 1 Johnson 7 McAfee 1 McCormick 1 Perry 1 Petersen 12 NOTA 1
MS
1 McAfee
1 Petersen
6 Johnson
Missed a few
It sounds like it could go to Johnson on the first ballot.
Maryland Johnson 10, Feldman 4, Perry 2, Peterson 2. Looks like Johnson may win first ballot?
MA 3 McAfee, 8 Johnson
MD Johnson 10, Feldman 4, Perry 2, Petersen 2
Kentucky Johnson 7, McAfee 3, Feldman 1
ME 2 Gary, 5 Petersen
LA Johnson 4, Petersen 8, NOTA 1
Ditto KY
Didn’t catch KS in time
Indiana; Johnson 18, Peterson 9, others much less.
IA Feldman 2, Johnson 3, …lost the rest, someone please add
IN Feldman 1, Perry 2, NcAfee 4, Petersen 9, Johnson 18
Florida had Johnson 28, Peterson 13; most of the rest had somewhere around 5. Gary Johnson won Georgia with 9, but I don’t think that’s quite a majority.
IL Perry1 McAfee 3 Petersen 4 Johnson 19
ID Petersen 1, Johnson 6
GA and FL counts needed
Hawaii Johnson 4, AP 1
I can’t do this fast enough. Anyone else want to try?
DC – 3 votes for Johnson
Ok I guess there will be the roll call now. Yay!
State vote announcements for the first Presidential ballot are up next. DC is first.
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/
Ernie Hancock is speaking. So sorry to hear of Powell Gammill’s death. He’s been a friend and comrade for probably 20 years.
Powell Gammill was co-founder of https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/ with Ernie Hancock, who is on stage speaking now.
I’m glad Carol understands better now. So hopefully we can move on. As I said earlier, I hope the Pro-Choice Caucus becomes more active with pushing its agenda at future LP conventions.
Thanks Paulie for an actual explanation. In the past I’ve just been told to shut up or stop lying. I may disagree with your reasoning, but at least I understand it now!!
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/27/john-douglas-an-open-letter-to-libertarian-delegates/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/27/nevada-state-senate-candidate-david-colborne-endorses-john-mcafee/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/27/cnn-politics-interviews-austin-petersen/
As a former resident of what was then the USSR until age seven (1979) I second that. Granted, Lily was a good deal older when she left Communist China than I was when I left Communist Russia, so she knows better than I do. But I know enough to second what she is saying.
http://www.lily4liberty.com/
Lily Tang Williams
Lily Tang Williams, I believe
Lily will be in US Senate race debate on Thursday.
“I hate to see the counrty I love becoming more like the country I left.”
Lily Tang (sp? sorry)
Nick had us stand depending on how many national conventions we have been to. I topped out our full state delegation for Alabama at 7. A very small handful remained in the whole hall at 20 (Nick saw two of them but I think there were a small handful more he did not catch) at which post we lost count of how many there have been.
Lily Tang Williams speaking. US Senate candidate and formers state chair in CO.
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/27/links-to-live-coverage-of-the-libertarian-party-national-convention/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/27/video-of-the-libertarian-party-vice-presidential-debate/ (different debate)
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/27/vice-presidential-debate-live-now-at-lp-convention/
And now we have a harmonica break…
On C-Span…
Good to know the sound man was able to pick it up
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/28/videos-of-adam-kokeshs-speech-at-lp-national-convention/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/28/libertarian-party-holds-vp-debate-votes-overwhelmingly-to-oppose-death-penalty/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/28/cnn-talks-to-lp-national-convention-participants/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/28/tom-mullen-interviews-libertarian-party-presidential-candidate-kevin-mccormick/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/28/video-of-austin-petersens-nomination-speech-at-lp-convention-johnson-weld-and-tom-woods/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/29/video-of-last-nights-final-2016-c-span-libertarian-presidential-debate/
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/05/29/marc-allan-feldmans-closing-statement-at-yesterdays-c-span-lp-debate/
Balloting is taking a while. I thought it was a roll call of states, but maybe not. They are letting candidates and activists speak. A few people complain about None of the Above is not printed on the ballot, but it will be accepted as a write-in.
This.
That photo of Dr. Feldman helping an injurerd pedestrian in the parking lot was inappropriate for TV. Sorry. it’s a good story but bad photo to put on the air.
Photo of Feldman and Moen assisting injured motorist was on the screen. If anyone can send me this or any other photo of this for the upcoming article [email protected]
Memorial service for Powell Gamill (sp?) scheduled June 5 in Scottsdale, AZ
Powell Gammill, past repeated LP US House candidate in AZ, 2006, 08, 10, 12, 14 slipped, fell and died back home in AZ during this convention. He was also going to run in 2016.
Tim Moen, head of the LP of Canada, and Dr. Marc Feldman, came out of Tim Moen’s breakfast speech to assist a badly injured pedestrian in the parking lot. Article coming up.
Ok I’ll post to this one.
Feldman apparently helped treat someone who was hit by a car outside the hotel.
With this, combined with his closing statement, could he be the running mate?
I agree. Very poor job.
Parking lot of the hotel is reportedly full.
Ballots are now printed and available.
Larry Elder was the only loser in the debate. Johnson as expected had a few cringe-worthy moments, but he showed that he can take the LP message to the national stage. Johnson will take the nomination, probably on the 2nd ballot. I haven’t seen Weld in front of any delegates, but I would guess that McAfee or Petersen could each win the VP nomination over him. Johnson thinks Weld is important for fundraising, but Johnson hasn’t shown that he spends donations well enough for that to matter much. Given Weld’s endorsements in recent POTUS races (including this one!), he should not be on the LP ticket. A prodigal Democrat, maybe, but we don’t need the LP to be presented as a temporary parking spot for anti-Trump Republican voters. I would love to see Mcafee in the national VP debate. He has his share of cringe-worthy moments, but he’s better than Johnson at invoking the spirit of libertarianism. His personal baggage is too heavy, and his political pedigree too light, to lead the ticket, After McAfee, my preference for VP is Jim Gray.
Nominations were yesterday, couldn’t anyone go to Office Depot or kinkos before now?
Presidential nominations are next.
Request for those leaving the convention to check out with the credentials desk so we do not lose quorum.
First round ballots are being printed now.
Due to the floor being full there is a sign and out procedure so alternates can vote when delegates leave the hall.
997 eligible to cast votes. Small number added to the 911 for credentialed.
911 delegates here
I’ll keep mine on here because this thread has some built-in social media links to it already. But if someone else wants to start a new one too have at it. I am not opposed to redundancy in this case.
I’ll post updates on the Link to CSpan thread.
A fresh open thread for the balloting might help comments to submit faster.
I’ll be turning the stream on at about 9:30 Eastern time tomorrow; I think I need to leave the house at about noon Eastern Time. I can liveblog the voting until that point, if that would help people who are actually at the convention focus on details that wouldn’t be apparent from the stream, or even on other necessary things besides IPR.
And really, are we stooping to the Donald Trump level talking about one’s genitals?! Perry posted a pic on some fetish website, and why is that relevant? He’s entitled to use dating/fetish/hookup websites as he damn pleases. So Petersen supposedly had a profile on a “sugar daddy” website, and what does that matter?
People, including candidates, are free to live their own damn personal lives the way the freaking please. Say that Perry, hypothetically (I think its been alleged somewhere) offered to buy liquor for a girl on the US election Atlas forum, and meet her at a motel. Who is the victim in that case? If this actually happened, it was nothing more than an offer. No victim, no crime. People are free to satisfy their romantic/ sexual/companionship needs in any way they please, as long as they do not initiate force against any person.
If McAfee supposedly boned 16 year old chicks in Belize, but if that is perfectly within that country’s age of consent laws (and this discussion could perhaps lead to Ian Freeman’s views of age of consent laws, but there’s no reason to go that route-because) McAfee did nothing wrong.
Anyone, if they look hard enough, can dig up dirt and someone they don’t like. Who really cares, though? Everyone has skeletons in their closet; as rapper Watsky says in his song “Sloppy Seconds”, “show me someone who has no baggage, and I’ll show you someone who’s got no story.”
In the end, as a former rapper said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=padvnsLUhUM
As a non-libertarian, I agree with Chris. Everyone did well, playing to their strengths. I’m rooting for McAfee even though I agree with Peterson on abortion. He always answered questions clearly. Johnson getting shouted down for supporting drivers licenses is going to get some attention.
I was there. The debate was very good. The crowd was hot. Great live experience.
I disagree with the previous commenters. I thought this debate kicked ass. I downed a six pack (Lech – Polish beer), had a few American Spirits, and really enjoyed it. It’s hard to say who did the best, but I think Perry owned it. Virtual tie between him and Feldman, whose closing statement was fucking awesome. Petersen and McAfee did well, and Johnson could have been better, but at least he came across as genuine and authentic IMO. It was a lot of fun watching this.
I psyched to watch the voting tomorrow. Afterwards, I’ll rewatch the debate and post a comprehensive review to American Third Party Report.
“And they say I can’t change all the things I find strange, but what can one man do alone” LP for the win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bitxwy6okn4
LP against a statist world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU
Feldman tore down the house with his closing remark. Well done.
Peterson seemed like the LP’s trump. Good soundbites….
Johnson seemed the only one to be a… I don’t want to say serious…. viable? candidate for the Presidency.
That wasn’t terrible- that sells it way too. It was a Biblical disaster.
As someone who’s coming from the GOP after nominating Trump- only Petersen looked great to me (though I am biased towards him). Johnson at least looked like a choice I could deal with and someone I could trust with the nuclear codes. But both didn’t have great debates. And seriously- were they ACTUALLY advocating giving drugs to children?! What the hell is wrong with Perry?! I get being anti-government, but there’s a purpose behind it. Larry Elder should be ashamed of his moderating. That was just bad.
Is NOTA a candidate by rule still?
My God this was terrible…
Geez… really?
http://www.libertyunbound.com/node/1557
http://www.libertyunbound.com/node/1556
We need a gif of Perry shredding that Federal Reserve Note.
Paulie reporting live with two of my photographers
Photo by TE Finnegan from the debate – audience
Wow. That was an awkward pause when Johnson was talking about coal.
Petersen has some good answers but he strikes me as the Marco Rubio of the LP. Too many canned answers that come off as a bit grandstanding that I don’t think will go over well with a lot of voters, in or outside of the LP.
Be Rational comments:
>Gary Johnson needs to promise he will open campaign finances…
All these items are clearly shortcomings that Johnson hasn’t been interested in and likely will not be interested in. As for Weld it would be nice if he understoud and supportd libertarian ideas but it is unlikely that if Johnson hasn’t educated him that he isn’t going to now.
Larry Elder is not doing well as moderator. All of the candidates seem fine so far.
Here is a link to CSPAN’s coverage of the debate starting now:
http://www.stream2watch.co/live-now/live-tv/us/c-span-live-stream
I like Nick, But he’s doing In-Convention Fundraising on C-Span’s time…
If the debate goes long, let’s hope they don’t cut away…
I have the stream playing now. Groups of people are just chanting Peterson’s and Johnson’s names. Debate starting now I think.
https://boman08.wordpress.com/2016/05/26/ramblings-of-a-pro-johnson-radical/
Well said.
The LP needs to nomnate a team that is principled, credible, dedicated to party growth through advertising and outreach spending and transparent: that means a make over for Johnson / Weld.
If we pick any of the more principled unknowns or if Johnson / Weld won’t make the transation to become what we need, so that we get stuck with the unknowns – either way – the LP will be will be crushed. A Johnson somebody else ticket won’t work now. An UNprincipled Johnson / Weld ticket won’t work either. We need a principled Johnson / Weld ticket, backed by the party.
Doing a Bergland at the Sept 1983 LP Convention nearly killed the LP. Doing a Bergland again in 2016 will finish us this time.
But, it’s not just up to the principled, radical NAP types, nor is it up to the ambitious build the party promoters, it will take all of us of course, plus a commitment to be real Libertarians by BOTH Johnson and Weld, to accept each other, wave a principled banner of liberty and rally forward into this year of danger and opportunity.
We have to come together, build a team and move forward.
https://boman08.wordpress.com/2016/05/26/ramblings-of-a-pro-johnson-radical/
I can’t see Weld on the ticket. He really sucks and is no where near a libertarian on fiscal issues. Johnson is a freaking dufus but could be coached. It would be nice to see a Perry or a Feldman as the VP nominee. If Johnson fails to get the nomination then all bets are off. Please, somebody, help Vermin Supreme find his pink pony sash! Priorities, people!
Gary Johnson needs to promise he will open campaign finances – donations and spending – and appoint a trusted group of Libertarians to oversee and report income and expenditures. We need a change in his campaign team and transparency.
He should promise to spend at least 50% of funds raised on targeted major network broadcast TV advertising.
He should announce 3 actual people who have agreed to audit and report – people we trust: maybe Redpath, Starchild, ???
Johnson needs a hard hitting Libertarian debate performance – show he’s with us.
Governor Weld needs to make a hard hitting Libertarian speech in some public venue taking strong L stands on key issues – before the voting for the POTUS nomination – or neither Johnson or Weld will be nominatied.
Free to us food and beer in FL hospitality suite 261. Media room is across the hall in 262.
Final token count
Johnson 226
Petersen 106
Perry 105
McAfee 97
Feldman 89
McCormick 45
Shannon 23
Vermin Supreme 20
Zeman8
Sterling 5
Robinson 5
Reid 4
Donahue 3
Jacob Hornberger 1
Robert Griffis 1
Alicia Dearn 1
Rhett Smith 1
Final token counts:
GJ 226, Petersen 106, Perry 105, MCAfee 97, Feldman 88, McCormick 46, and that’s as far as I got before screen went to something else. Now adjourned.
Nominations have been closed.
Nick Sarwark:
Car is blocking CSPAN truck. Feldman has made the debate. Vermin Supreme lost pink pony sash.
Feldman gave us a thumbs up, which I take to mean he got the last token he needed for the debate.
Correct.
Check IPR comments on past articles. Many past comments by a variety of people say the same thing.
Feldman needs only one more token for the debate.
Petersen is a Tea Party Republican. Seriously, Am I the only one that gets that?
So Perry didn’t speak? Sound just went back up, with McCormick up.
Audio fixed.
Agreed.
Indeed, we did not hear from Darryl himself. McCormick is up next. Speaking for himself only with no other speakers if I understood him right.
Starchild is up for Perry. Where’s Perry tho?
Caryn Harlos seconding for Perry. I haven’t watched the clock but will he get enough time to speak for himself?
WinLiberty
With more money coming in hopefully the LP will invest in better tech.
edensvision
no sound here or anywhere
scotch2-1
I think the government should provide a free streaming service… that would probably work better hah
jwdenton85
someone contact someone at the convention to talk to the media team about the audio issue. This sux
germanjohnsonsupport
how can we skip back to watch the other speeches?
Joel Davis
tap tap tap Hello?! Is this thing on?
simonjohnjohn
does this come with sound?
Petersen and Johnson sounded pretty hardcore libertarian in their speeches. Will they stay on that message if and when nominated, or is there a certain amount of smoke being blown up delegates’ asses? Cynicism and hope are both in the air.
Kimberly Ruff is up for Perry. There was also a radio ad type endorsement but I did not catch from whom.
Yeah, really bummed out that the sound is gone. Hopefully they get it fixed in time for Perry.
Candidate.
That’s not how the Radical Caucus platform works. The platform includes planks that we as a caucus agreed on, and is meant for internal use within the LP. It is not intended to replace the LP platform as a whole and says nothing about what positions anyone should take on issues where we did not reach a consensus.
Why do you think the caucus needs to address every issue? There are some pro-life radical (L)ibertarians. And many who are pro-choice. Does the pro-choice caucus have to have a position on immigration? Does Outright have to have a position on the death penalty?
If you like most issues the Radical Caucus takes and want to take the time and do the work to get a vote in the Radical Caucus, and if you believe it is important for the caucus to address abortion, you can work to earn a vote and push that issue within the caucus. Otherwise, please stop misrepresenting our position.
Back to news coverage:
Stewart Flood nominating Petersen. Followed by Petersen himself and his pyramid pile of posse.
Austin Petersen is up … but the sound has gone dead on UpStream.
Sean Haugh endorsing Petersen.
Gary Johnson the candidate or from Texas?
Paulie wrote: “Ommissions minority report (strengthening ommissions) did not get 2/3. Platcom report eliminating ommissions also failed. No changes to the plank.” Thank heavens!
First, the LP “Radicals” Platform TOOK OUT LP PLANK Abortion Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/04/libertarian-party-radical-caucus-adopts-caucus-platform
Second, the LPRC says on Platform prosals that LPRC takes “NO POSITION: Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue amongst delegates, the LPRC leaves this to each delegate’s conscientious consideration.”
I do NOT thing that is an AMBIGUOUS statement. I read it as meaning, we take no position on whether there should be a plank or laws for or against abortion. Let the delegates decide.
That’s the AARON STARR and his “let’s get more republicans in here” line, not a radical line. GEEZ…
I agree. Sounds a lot better that way.
Jim Fulner: Darryl Perry 1st choice, Feldman 2nd. Plugs Coley as well. I think they should be more explicit about asking for debate nomination tokens tho. Feldman up for himself; says he represents the libertarian wing of the LP.
Fulner earlier: a Jew like Feldman and a Muslim like Colley can make peace in the middle east like no one else.
Gary Johnson up asking to include Feldman in the debate. Now Feldman is up rapping. After the first bar we switch from live to video Feldman rapping. He’s actually a pretty fresh rapper 🙂 Johnson also had rap music playing. New LP trend? I like it, even if it doesn’t quite feel authentic enough yet.
Johnson just seconded for Feldman. This might boost Feldman’s tokens.
Smart choice by Feldman to play his libertarian rap with a beat.
Paul Stanton speaking now for Feldman, even though McAfee just endorsed Stanton.
Good speech. I wish Johnson gave this exact message in all his other interviews and speeches.
Feldman up next. If he is smart he will spend time asking for debate tokens. Paul Stanton up for Feldman.
“I want you to know that I’m not an old white guy.. and I’m not Republican-lite.”
“Taxation is theft”
-Johnson
The tokens will be for both debates and the nomination. The nomination tokens are only available through the end of McCormick’s speech.
Johnson now up for himself.
It’s possible. Maybe Shannon and/or Supreme could qualify for nomination but not debate. I don’t think very much chance of other changes but we shall see.
Steve Kerbel now up for Johnson.
Not sure which one or if both.
McAfee speech focused on support for local candidates.
Media desk is looking for sign language translator.
Gary Johnson nominating speeches will be next. Redpath is first up for Johnson.
Debate too or only nominations?
It would be excellent if Feldman could get into the debate, he’s performed well in the past and has a sense of humor. McCormick did take some not-so-libertarian stances at the RT debate, and he’s not the most eloquent speaker. But I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to include him.
Correction, it appears that someone else bought Carol’s spin. Otherwise I was correct.
Only 4 people want to save the country from economic ruination? You’re killing me, smalls!
Any idea on how many tokens are yet to be cast? It looks like Feldman could get over the hump still? Any hope for McCormick? The more in the debate the better.
McAfee now speaking.
McAfee now speaking
Checked and Grayson did run for Senate in GA primary this year, came 2nd of 3rd with 12% 68k votes
Maybe he’s both LP and GOP
If I understood right, 16 minutes per candidate times 6 campaigns. McAfee videos now being shown.
McAfee nominations are up first.
Token count:
Johnson 225, Petersen 106, Perry 105, Mc Afee 96; debate cutoff 86.
Feldman 79, McCormick 44, nomination cutoff 30.
Others: Shannon 22, V. Supreme 19, Zeman 8. That’s as far as I got til the screen switched to something else. Uncast tokens can still be cast til the end of the nomination speeches. However, those who have already voted can not change their vote.
165 tokens left and now Derrick Grayson is giving nominating speech for McAfee
Interesting, i thought Grayson was a GOPer and running for the GOP nod for senate again.
Dumb question perhaps, but does the fact that Perry got so many tokens bold well for his strength with the delegates?
also Jack Robinson 5 tokens and Feldman updated to 77
correction: Petersen 106 tokens
The rumors were wrong. Johnson, Petersen, Perry and McAfee all made the debate. Additionally, Feldman and McCormick got enough for nominations but not for the debate.
221 tokens Johnson
105 tokens Perry
104 tokens Petersen
95 tokens McAfee
76 tokens Feldman
44 tokens McCormick
22 tokens Shannon
18 tokens Vermine Supreme!
7 tokens Zeman
5 tokens Sterling
4 tokens Reid
1 token JD donahue
1 tokenJacob Hornberger
1 token Robert Griffs
1 token Alicia Dearn
1 token Rhett Smith
Not on the abortion issue or any other issue where we did not vote for or against an official position.
Looking forward to it.
I’m glad we agree there.
Thank you!
Chair just said that other candidates still have time to get enough tokens to be in the debate
Bullshit. Caryn is entitled to her own views on the abortion issue, which are not representative of the Radical Caucus as a whole. Caryn is pro-life, many of us are pro-choice, and the caucus as a whole failed to achieve enough consensus among the small number of voting members who took part in the vote to take an official position. There is no conspiracy here and Carol is making shit up and spinning her own BS.
Johnson
McAfee
Perry
Petersen
Will be in tonight’s CSPAN debate
You also have to make some effort to actually collect nomination tokens. My guess is that he did not make much if any effort there.
Region 8 is or was Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont. If I am not mistaken Joshua Katz was retained as alt and Rich Tomasso was replaced as rep, but I forgot who the new one is. Please correct if i got that wrong.
I forgot to mention earlier that our region 7 has remained as Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas.
Andy Craig is now speaking
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/libertarian-party1
Region 6 is or was Iowa, Idaho, Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin. I don’t yet know whether they have had their caucus and what the results were if they did.
Region 5 — District of Columbia, Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia
Rep: Dr. Jim Lark re-elected as rep
Trent Somes (sp?) of Youth Caucus, alt
Region 4 (is or was CA, NM, NV) Jeff Hewitt rep, Aaron Starr alt, both of CA
Region 2 (FL, GA, TN) caucus was today. I have not heard the results yet.
Region 3 – Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio; Brett Bittner (OH) rep, Ken Moellman (KY) alt. Those are definitely the two but I may have the rep and alt reversed, but I think I got it right. Someone please correct if I did not.
Note, for the states in each region I am using states from 2014-6. If any states changed regions I have not yet been made aware of it.
Ron Paul made it very clear we should not dilute our message.
Wow.
http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarian-party-holds-vp-debate-votes-overwhelmingly-to-oppose-death-penalty
Other region news. Whitney Bilieu (sp?) of TX, rep, Danny Bedwell of MS, alt, region 7.
If I am not mistaken, P tokens deadline has also passed….confirm or deny?
Second hall of liberty award – Bill Redpath.
I have been told that all parliamentary discussions are done. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Sorry for having missed some of the votes before lunch on other platform planks. Between replying on other threads here and participating in the actual voting I got too distracted. Someone please fill in those other votes when you get a chance.
Ron Paul addressing the convention by video as the hall of liberty award winner. Says he wanted to be here but had prior and family commitments.
In other good news, after much parliamentary wrangling, the LP finally passed an anti-death penalty plank. I have been told for the first time ever…someone please confirm or deny.
This makes me very, very happy! We needed Caryn on LNC and we got her (by we I mean the LP as a whole as I am not in her region).
Sharpe did okay in the debate, but Coley absolutely killed it.
I was also surprised by Weiss’ absence.
Most people I have talked to don’t see any inevitability there. I may not necessarily be getting a representative sample.
I just watched the VP candidate debate and didn’t see Judd Weiss. What’s the deal? He made all those flashy videos and online memes claiming he was McAfee’s chosen candidate?
McAfee seems to have run out of gas. Rumor has it that he may come up short of tokens to get into the big debate tonight. I think Johnson is still the favorite, with Petersen and Perry rounding out the top three.
For VP, Sharpe and Weld seem to be the favorites. I expect Sharpe to be the nominee……..but, what do I know?
Ms. Harlos is being disingenuous: the purple smoke campaign to align the ‘Radicals’ with the anti-choicers (who recently came over when Cruz quite the GOP campaign) to water down the pro-choice platform so that the national party will morph into a movement that doesn’t stand up to the discriminatory state-by-state anti-women laws. No doubt she will continue in her new national role to turn LP into the GOP kiddie table party.
I won my race for Region 1 Representative on the LNC. Steve Nielson of Washington is my alternate.
Carol misrepresents yet again. The LPRC did not come out against it. She has been corrected on this about ten times now.
Paulie- By the “buzz” I meant does the inevitability of a Johnson-Weld ticket seem to be fading? I realize I am only getting snippets of information following the convention on IPR but that is the impression I am getting. Am I wrong?
So the Radical caucus was signalling? Considering the “official” leadership came out against it, my concerns obvious.
ANYWAY – LOVERS OF WOMEN’S LIBERTY WON!
Aaron Starr tried to suspend the rules to get the current language replaced. He lost. There was a motion to stop discussing abortion. It passed. There were FAR more cheers than anything else. YEAH!!!!
However the vote to suspend to do it was 194 FOR and 169 AGAINST (our side). So prohibitionists – and those fed up with the discussion – did have a majority and only the rules saved us!!
I’ll be making and putting up a video of our reboot as a group ending with my screen capture of the discussion (which hopefully won’t be TOO crappy.) Will report when it’s up.
I don’t know what strategy those on the floor used. But a signally system that isn’t coercive is ok, obviously .
Meanwhile see http://pro-choicelibertarians.net OR Twitter/ProChoiceLibs OR Pro-Choice Libertarians fb group (pro-choicers only)
And thanks to Ms. Harlos and her allies for motivating women for women’s liberty to get all this together this year!!
2.2 environment under consideration. Rads support the amendment.
Presidential debate tokens will count for qualifying for the debate thru the close of nominations. 20 minute motion passed. There may later be a suspension of the rules to allow P tokens to also count as VP tokens if the candidate accepts VP nom, as has been custom. If I understood correctly, that suspension has not yet happened, only been explained as how things have been done in the past in response to a point of information.
Motion made that VP nomination tokens be aloowed thru 20 minutes past presidential nominations.
I have been told presidential tokens will be collected thru 2 pm. If that is not correct someone please correct me (along with anything else posted here).
150-150 voted down (needed 2/3 to pass) to get a total so far of how many tokens presidential candidates have. Secretary has clarified that VP tokens may still be collected for now for the purpose of nomination, 30 being needed at a minimum, even though the VP debate has passed and tokens are no longer qualifying for that purpose.
Ommissions minority report (strengthening ommissions) did not get 2/3. Platcom report eliminating ommissions also failed. No changes to the plank.
All abortion discussions voted to be tabled indefinitely and will be out of order after now.
What do you mean by buzz? Please explain the question.
I’m a bit lost on the machinations going on with the parliamentary maneuvers on the abortion plank right now. Too bad the Pro-choice caucus does not have a signaling system like the radical caucus does. Maybe next time?
The vote of the caucus was “no position” on this issue because we had internal disagreement even in the caucus. Removal was already voted down yesterday. We are voting on reforms to the plank now, but I don’t think deletion is in order at this point, if I understand correctly.
I fully agree.
Can we get a stack of yellow placards on the floor before we have to start switching our vote in and out with alternates? We need a centralized distribution point for them on the floor, in addition to the booth outside, as it will be more logistically difficult to go outside to get them later. I could be that distribution point on the floor if you wish, as I pretty much always stay anchored to my table, computer and uber-expensive power outlet here. Or you could be with your visible appearance and light saber.
Posted earlier in this thread, above, yesterday. Please scroll up.
Thank you. Although, I’ve been lurking, and I think it does fine without me. Just my opinion.
There is a lot of action outside the convention hall. The Gary Johnson team has spent big bucks renting some lecture rooms upstairs. Free coffee and donuts. I stopped by and saw some big name speakers endorsing Johnson/Weld. Matt Kibbe, Bruce Fein, Nick Gillespie, Judge Gray.
Big banners. Lots of literature everywhere.
I HOPE LP RADICALS ARE NOT GOING TO BE TELLING PEOPLE WITH YOUR BATONS TO REMOVE THE ABORTION PLANK. Do you care to share your strategy on that? Thanks.
What is the buzz about the candidate balloting?
The feedback the LPRadicals have been getting from the signaling system on the floor has been fantastic. And it has made a difference in some votes. Another group came to us to ask if we would support a certain amendment they would propose because they did not want us walking around with our glowing red batons to oppose.
The LPRadicals have made a splash this convention and are being taken seriously and it warms my radical little heart.
Supreme is here. Ventura is not.
LOL–I was wondering about Jesse Ventura, also. Wouldn’t it be funny if he showed up, and no one noticed?
I saw somewhere that the awards were being handed out. Can someone post the names of the winners? Please and thank you.
Has there been a Jesse Ventura sighting yet?
Welcome back, Paulie.
IPR hasn’t been the same without you.
I’m having a good time at the Convention and managed to attend and follow the floor action very closely today.
In my opinion the real libertarians are generally winning the votes and the neocon elements are losing.
It’s looking like a good convention. The pro-lifers were defeated handily. The “parental rights” plank (which was actually a parental-duties proposal and had some strong police state type language in it) failed by a close vote.
My flight is scheduled to land at 3:11 tomorrow afternoon.
I will be in the air on my way to Orlando when business restarts Saturday. I should be onsite and (hopefully) registered before we recess for lunch. See y’all soon!
Shutting the computer down. I will go to LSLA, Region 7, VP and Chair and Vice Chair debates, and Perry craft beer party in that order. Will hit others…maybe. Hit me up voice or text 205-534-1622 if you have anything that you want me to know about before tomorrow. I may or may not get back on to blog more later tonight. Probably not. Tatiana Moroz playing in the main hall. Anyone and everyone else please cover anything I missed or correct anything I got wrong in the meantime.
Thank you rads for implementing the signal system. I helped in a small way this afternoon with that and it worked a lot better for me this afternoon than this morning. It was a big help with being able to stay on top of what was happening and knowing how to vote.
What happened with omissions. My DSL keeps crapping out. Did they just decide to wait until tomorrow. WHO ARE THESE FUCKING platform people who come out against a few laws and then act like we can’t be against all the others?
Let’s face it, it’s all because they can afford time/$ to go to LNC meetings and others cannot. Most of them don’t do poop and the rest run the party… UGH
What happened with omissions. My DSL keeps crapping out. Did they just decide to wait until tomorrow. WHO ARE THESE FUCKING platform people who come out against a few laws and then act like we can’t be against all the others?
Let’s face it, it’s all because they can afford time/$ to go to LNC meetings and others can. Most of them don’t do poop and the rest run the party… UGH
Montoni thanks Sarwark for running business well. Adjourned without objection. LSLA business meeting is next in s2.
Indiana party in 261 will be after the VP debate. Region 7 Salon 2 6:30. S-11 at Clarion on 2nd fl.
2456, McAfee will do Q and A before Sarwark, mentioned earlier.
Region 1, Foyer, now.
Minority report will be the first order of business tomorrow. VP tokens about to expire. 49 is the cutoff. Perry beer party at the Clarion will be in room S11. Announcements and close.
Region 3 will be at registration desk 3.
@ Mark Hilgenberg
Yeah, I’m playing the 2016 LP Convention HOME GAME on the UStream until I can get there tomorrow morning, hahaha http://www.ustream.tv/channel/5815382
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/27/gary-johnson-booed-at-libertarian-party
Proposal #15: Delete 4.0 Omissions – LP Rads OPPOSE
4.0 Omissions
Our silence about any other particular government law, regulation, ordinance, directive, edict, control, regulatory agency, activity, or machination should not be construed to imply approval.
Committee recommendation being presented. Debate forthcoming.
Wait, that Ustream is the LP? I can hear it and see it! What gives?
Proposal to delete ommissions plank. Rads strongly oppose.
Proposal #3: Rephrase “neither profits nor losses are socialized” of 2.5 Money and Financial Markets – LP Rads SUPPORT
Jeff Woods called to question – PASSES
Proposal vote – PASSES
Also passes.
Another change to 2.5 also supported by rads.
Proposal #4: New 2.8 Government Employees Plank (LP Rads SUPPORT)
2.5 Government Employees
We favor repealing any requirement that one must join or pay dues to a union as a condition of government employment. We advocate replacing defined-benefit pensions with defined contribution plans, as are commonly offered in the private
sector, so as not to impose debt on future generations without their consent.
Kurt Hildebrand called to question after short debate – MOTION PASSES
2.5 passes. Motion to skip to proposal 9 (abortion deletion/rewrite again) first ruled out of order by Vohra then in order. Fails. Rationale was to wrap up on time to get to the regional caucuses.
Thank you. and thanks for helping when you can. If anyone else wants to help please don’t be shy. We do what we can but one or two of us can’t catch everything.
1.6 passes.
Next up 2.5 money and financial markets. Rads agree with the platform committee.
Proposal 13 1.6 crime and justice “cleanup”. Rads oppose.
Kurt Hildebrand called to question, motion passed; plank change passes (LPrads OPPOSED)
Next up 1.6 crime and justice “cleanup”. Rads oppose.
You’re doing a great job with updates, Paulie.
I’ve been monitoring the livestream (linked earlier) when I can, on and between work conference calls – so I can’t backfill some of the debates. I will try to help moving forward.
Delete this post as needed – I just wanted to say GOOD JOB!
2.10 passes.
http://time.com/4349802/gary-johnson-libertarian-consultants/?xid=tcoshare
2.10 retirement and income security – insert “even”.
Rads call it a waste of time and oppose.
Parental rights fails. Call for division fails. Call for amendment on parental rights fails.
The PRO-CHOICE ABORTION PLANK was kept. Haven’t heard details on debate, etc.
PRO-CHOICERS now much better organized and can fight PROHIBITIONST nonsense and even strengthen the plank in 2018. I’ve been listening to this right wing christian republican statist antiabortion crap for 37 years in the party and I’m fed up with it.
**IF** PROHIBITIONISTS want to agree to make the LP primarily a libertarian decentralist secessionist party, they can secede into their tiny little prohibitionist communities – as long as they don’t make their women who want to leave slaves…
Plus I made lots of good contacts / learned new internet skills for secession.net…
via fb
Jim Tomasik
May 27 at 4:06pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/27/politics/libertarian-party-convention/
Parental rights plank. Rads opposed. I missed several – someone please backfill.
Thank you Mike Dooling. I will amend the post and make a new one.
FYI: The national convention is being livestreamed on UStream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/5815382 — I’m watching until I can be on the floor in Orlando Saturday morning.
1.0 personal liberty, making it an obligation. Carries. Rads opposed.
Radical caucus recommendations are available in printed form at the caucus booth in the vendor area outside the hall as well as the light saber and yellow sign signals.
Florida Liberty PAC has a hospitality breakfast, if I understood correctly. Also need room number.
Daryl Perry craft beer party starting at 7 pm at a nearby hotel, the clarion. I need to get the room number.
Gary Johnson and Nick Gillespie reception Ballroom A 8:30 pm tonight.
Abortion deletion is ruled as having failed. Appeal is ruled dilatory. Further appeal for division. The division attempt fails. Nick rules that platform committee proposal 9 is not in order, as it does the same thing, then changes his mind after discussion.
Simple majority vote for deletion.
Motion made to suspend the rules to get rid of the token system to delete platform planks. Starr objects that this was voted on. Sarwark rules it in order as more narrowly drawn. However the vote fails. Abortion plank deletion vote is next.
Indeed, abortion with 439 tokens is the only one that cleared the 150 token threshold to have a deletion vote.
Omissions plank narrowly missed the cutoff for a deletion vote.
It is UNBELIEVABLE that in this day and age the convention organizers couldn’t get a good live feed of the business meetings and other proceedings. Somebody for 2018 PLEASE…. (hopefully my 70 yr old body will make it!!)
Mattson “hints” that one platform plank made the cutoff for deletion. Abortion, I am guessing.
I missed a bunch of other announcements. If someone else caught them please post.
Region 3 is looking for a room to hold their region meeting.
Federal court has given Maine LP injunctive relief. They are counting 4,500 registrations and will need 500 more by July 12 to get on the ballot.
Room 261 will have a hospitality suite in room 261. After the chair’s debate.
7 pm VP debate, 8 pm chairs debate, 9 pm vice chairs debate for 30 min, Nick Sarwark in 2456 q & a after that.
Platform next.
Marcia from Louisiana who is a delegate from Arizona dressed in orange if I heard all that correctly is looking for roommates. Debate and presidential tickets are reopened for sale. Rick from Austin has a phone at the secretary’s table.
If someone has a picture on FB let me know. I don’t have any way to transfer pictures from phone to computer myself. Nor do I do FB or any other internet stuff on the phone. My phone is a phone only, used for voice calls and, reluctantly, texting.
Post pictures of the light sabers on FB please?
Thomas Jefferson award. Another long list of names, predictable including Rand Paul, who is now supporting extreme authoritarian Donald Trump, and works tirelessly to suppress the LP vote.
Bette Rose Ryan wins.
Will Hammer wins.
Again a long list of nominees including anti-LP Republican Rand Paul.
Patrick Henry award is next.
Someone keeps nominating Rand Paul, who is not a libertarian or a Libertarian, for each of these awards. Jason Scheuer wins Thomas Paine award. Again a long list of names nominated.
Weld is on saying NAFTA is the supreme law of the land… uuuggggghhhh… Now using those light sabres to encourage people to BOOOOOO might be a good idea 🙂
Wendy Adams wins Sam Adams award. Someone actually nominated me, of which I was not aware. Also a long list of other people.
Geeze, he’s on CNN right now, 3:21pm EST.
https://libertarianvindicator.com/2016/05/27/governor-gary-johnson-getting-covered-by-msnbc-at-libertarian-national-convention/
Moving to awards committee for 30 minutes
Carol
They were encouraged to kick themselves out 😉
That’s an easy no vote, as it is subterfuge of the statement of principles.
Next up, a mission statement that excludes many of the existing purposes of the party.
Extending LNC terms voted down 155-159 on a standing count.
Dunno. Internet is limited and we are doing what we can. It’s all volunteer and I am trying to recruit help.
I do. The voting is confusing and it’s helping me and others figure out how to vote.
Are you sure?
If anyone who has been able to keep accurate track of what has passed and what has not so far please post it here. Also links to media coverage, liveblogging, photos, livestreams, social media coverage etc elsewhere. Anyone here who is getting internet please help us liveblog as well.
Seeing the signals now
Looks like we are still on bylaws for now.
The Radical Caucus has had signs throughout the room and Susan and Marc have light sabers. Multiple people have taken up with the signs and I have been approached by numerous people thanking us for the cues.
I’m glad we are doing this. Just letting you know I did not see them from where I sit. I got a yellow sign now, but I need to see the signal to be able to transmit/amplify it. I did get a few texts but not nearly as many as the votes that were held. In between that and trying to stay logged on to a network that works I was not able to get a lot done this morning. Hopefully the afternoon will go better. Again, I suggested this communication system and will transmit/amplify the signal if I see it.
Business is reconvening. If I understand correctly platform is up next.
Marc finds your lack of faith disturbing.
when should i come back to find out something meaningful happening. I don’t care who is sporting lightsabers. This isn’t a comic con.
Hello, Wes! Long time no see. Glad to see you are having fun… Maybe I’ll come in 2018 when we get most of the state parties to pass strong pro-choice platforms and kick out all the statist prohibitionists LINOS. Like you guys did in Oregon, if I remember correctly.
Carol,
He force chokes them like Darth Vader from across the convention hall!
So Marc DOES have a Mafia following his orders which he belts out with light sabers. What happens to those who disagree??
I hope he is NOT going to be doing that on platform votes – even if HE IS PRO-CHOICE.
Subscribing.
The Radical Caucus has had signs throughout the room and Susan and Marc have light sabers. Multiple people have taken up with the signs and I have been approached by numerous people thanking us for the cues.
I can’t wait until I get to the convention tomorrow
Thank you Paulie
Regions are to be formed by Saturday night.
481 was the number this morning. 49 for participation in VP debate.
VP and chair debates this evening.
VP tokens due by adjournment today.
Platform deletion tokens are due at 2:45 pm
Daniel,
That’s the delegate count tomorrow morning (Saturday), not this morning.
I heard 994 credentialed and 400-something present. Did anyone hear different?
What was the opening delegate count? I understand this is the basis for inclusion in the POTUS debate and nominations.
Paulie, not sure where all they are. I’m on the left maybe haflfway back, and Darryl is next to me with one of the signs. Montoni is at the front near the middle. Susan Hogarth and Caryn Ann Harlos are also somewhere in the hall with signs.
My apologies, I missed that we already have this prior post and discussion:
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/05/open-thread-for-activities-at-the-libertarian-national-convention-in-orlando-florida/
Please refer to prior discussion. I’ll leave both posts up as they already both have discussion.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/libertarian/pages/87/attachments/original/1461374599/2016_Libertarian_Party_Bylaws_and_Rules_Committee_Report.pdf?1461374599
Anyone keeping track of what all has passed? I am trying to but having to reconnect repeatedly and trying to follow it myself as a delegate (without much success) is slowing me down and making me not nearly as effective at it as I would like to be,
I’m in the 8th row from the front. Looking straight forward at Mattson.
Not seeing them from where I sit. Anyone near the front? Maybe they are all behind me?
205-534-1622 if and when I am not here.
Paulie,
There are radical caucus thumbs up or thumbs down signs around the room. Also Montoni waving lightsaber — green, radicals support, red, radicals oppose.
IPR team – any plans to coordinate our coverage? We should meet in person or discuss here.
Also, I am only able to have my computer, phone etc charged thanks to getting an outlet at my delegation table for $130.94. If anyone can help cover that cost I would appreciate it.
Internet that I have been given as press is very spotty. If anyone has a hotspot I can use please come see me next to the Alabama delegation sign. Three rows up from the CSPAN area in the middle. I am by the exit to the row right next to the sign.
Bylaws being voted on. Radical caucus is supposed to have physical and text message votes on voting recommendations but I don’t see them. Unless and until I do I understand that our general recommendation is to vote against the bylaws committee proposals, so I am voting no until/unless I see the cues.
Paulie,
Say it isn’t so.
Enjoy the out of session time in Orlando,
Schedule for additional details besides only business is at http://libertarian.nationbuilder.com/schedule and today is at http://libertarian.nationbuilder.com/schedule_friday. Bylaws debate starts in 5 minutes.
Johnson and Weld are taking questions in Salon 1 upstairs right now.
Other days http://libertarian.nationbuilder.com/agenda
Treasurer’s report.
Today’s agenda:
Friday, May 27, 2016
Call to Order – 8:40 am
Welcome to Florida – 5 minutes
Credentials Report – 5 minutes
Adoption of the Agenda – 5 minutes
Treasurer’s Report – 15 minutes
Bylaws Report & Debate – 170 minutes
Lunch Recess – 12:00 pm
Call to Order – 2:30 pm
Credentials Report – 5 minutes
Bylaws Report & Debate – 40 minutes
Awards – 30 minutes
Platform Report & Debate – 105 minutes
Evening Recess – 5:30 pm
I’ve got a page of Instagram, YouTube and Soundcloud convention goodies up over at KN@PPSTER.
As I understood it, the amendment was to add time to the bylaws and platform debates to allow for motions from the floor to be considered and not just the committee report proposals.
Thanks! It may be only for the convention. We’ll see….
Dr. Phillies’s motion to amend agenda fails.
Ludlow’s modification passes without objection.
Agenda adopted.
Welcome back Paulie!
It is wonderful to have a strong and principled chair! Thank you Nick Sarwark for keeping it real.
Fake Oregon delegation NOT seated. Rising vote, not even close.
Ruling of the chair upheld. Oregon PAC/Burke delegates not seated.