Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below.
*Voting “aye”:* Demarest, Goldstein, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, McKnight,
Redpath, Starchild, Vohra
*Voting “nay”:* Hagan, Hewitt, Katz, Marsh, Mattson, Moellman
*Express abstention:* Bilyeu
With a final vote tally of 9-6, the motion PASSES.
-Alicia
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Alicia Mattson
wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
>
> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2016 at 11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.*
> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Demarest, Hayes, Vohra, Starchild, Goldstein,
> Redpath
>
> *Motion:*
>
> Whereas Nevada Assemblyman John Moore, a former Republican who in January
> 2016 switched to the Libertarian Party while in office, has during the past
> month voted not once but twice in the span of as many days to raise taxes
> on his constituents, including a vote to support a “More Cops” tax which
> the Libertarian Party of Nevada has tirelessly and thus far successfully
> opposed, and a vote to provide a $750 million subsidy to finance a
> billionaire-owned sports stadium at the expense of, among others, indigent
> persons renting weekly rooms in motels; and
>
> Whereas the elected leaders of our state affiliate party in Nevada have
> rightfully voted to censure Assemblyman Moore for these egregious votes; and
>
> Whereas we wish to convey a strong message to all and sundry that while we
> welcome sitting legislators in the Republican or Democrat parties who
> decide to switch to the Libertarian Party as an act of conscience, we do
> not welcome them if they intend, as members of our party, to continue
> voting and acting like Republicans or Democrats;
>
> Therefore be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee hereby
> censures Assemblyman Moore for his recent votes in support of tax
> increases, requests that he return the $10,000 campaign contribution which
> the LNC this season voted to send him, and admonishes him to henceforward
> be a better champion of the values held by members of the political party
> with which he has chosen to affiliate if he intends to remain a Libertarian.
>
>
> -Alicia
Background:
Libertarian Party of Nevada Censures Assemblyman John Moore
I doubt he got any funds in 2015 from people associated with the LP, as he didn’t jump from the GOP until January of this year – though I guess it’s possible someone greased his palms to get him to make the jump.
https://nvsos.gov/SOSCandidateServices/AnonymousAccess/ViewCCEReport.aspx?syn=V1OvoeANmzy0fVuhJxiOdw%253d%253d
Chris Rufer
724 Main
Woodland, CA 95695 06/10/2016 $5,000.00
The Morning Star Company
724 Main
Woodland, CA 95695 06/10/2016 $5,000.00
Lucero Farms LLC
724 Main
Woodland, CA 95695 06/10/2016 $5,000.00
Libertarian National Committee
2600 Virginia Ave, NW Suite 200
Washington, DC 20037 08/21/2016 $10,000.00
Sands Corporation
3355 Las Vegas Blvd. South
LAS VEGAS, NV 89109 10/05/2016 $2,500.00
You’ll notice that Lucero Farms and Morning Star have the same address as Rufer. Sands is Adelson. That was Report #3.
At the top of that page you can find links to report #2 and 1.
#2 has 5k each from Mr. and Mrs. Rufer, Morning Star, Lucero Farms and California Sun Equipment Co., all at the 724 Main St. address. There’s $100 from Dana McLorn, who used to be a California LP officer but apparently has moved to NV. And $100 from Don Cowles of Los Angeles, which is another name I recognize from LP activities. Thus the entire 25.2k on report #2 and 25 of the 27.5k on report #3 was from LP sources, for a total of 50.2k, 40k of it from the Rufers.
Report #1: $250 from Elizabeth Barnes of Mississippi, $208 from Daniel Hayes of LA, $1100 Steven Osborne of LA, $101 Bill Redpath, $200 Bill Drypolcher of San Francisco, CA. The last name is the only one I don’t recognize, but chance are he is from the LP donor network also since he’s not anywhere near Vegas.
That’s only 2016, not looking at anything in 2015.
“paulie Post author
November 3, 2016 at 10:43
‘Moore also received another $10,000 from Libertarian Party donors Chris and Melodie Rufer.’
More like 50k. It was on 2 or 3 different quarterly reports and some of it was several of Rufer’s companies, which you can see on the reports because they have the same address. Plus he got money from Daniel Hayes and other donors Daniel fundraised from. He has raised very little if anything from donors not connected to the national LP network.”
I only found $10,000 from the Rufers and another $10,000 from the LNC in the research that I did. I’d like to see full documentation on how much in donations Assemblyman John Moore received from Libertarians.
I’d also like to see how John Moore spent these donations from Libertarians. It would not surprise me if he was living off of the money.
Regardless of how the money was spent, any penny that Libertarians gave to this clown was a waste.
It is really sad that there are and were Libertarians, and various Libertarian, and small “l” libertarian, campaigns/projects that were FAR MORE DESERVING of funding, or more funding, that did not receive it, and that so much donor money was COMPLETELY WASTED on the backstabber, John Moore, as well as all of the donor money that was wasted on other things.
This brings to mind that declassified OSS (the forerunner of the CIA) document about how to sabotage organizations, which, among other things was getting an organization to waste money, and time, and to promote people who do not deserve to be promoted, while keeping down those who do deserve to be promoted, in order to demoralize them.
I’ve got to wonder if some of the people in LP leadership are purposefully following the OSS/CIA sabotage manual, or is this merely a case of incompetence, or perhaps a combination of both.
More like 50k. It was on 2 or 3 different quarterly reports and some of it was several of Rufer’s companies, which you can see on the reports because they have the same address. Plus he got money from Daniel Hayes and other donors Daniel fundraised from. He has raised very little if anything from donors not connected to the national LP network.
I’ll try to get back on the wagon soon. Day 1 will be difficult. Please bring in the nested commenting so I’ll stop being tempted to come back here.
It’s good to see Paule 2.0 commenting here (again!)
🙂
Paul said: “True, and there’s also the 10k the LNC gave him.”
Moore also received another $10,000 from Libertarian Party donors Chris and Melodie Rufer.
Note that Mr. Rufer was at the forefront of a referendum campaign against a tax payer financed basketball arena in Sacramento a few years ago.
In the body of the last article. As I already told you in the thread for this one.
I’m not condescending. But I did already just tell you where to look.
If I recall, you posted a link for the person who abstained. Perhaps I missed others. If I knew specifically that they were there, I would not have asked for them to be posted.
Again . . . there’s the condescending . . . it seems to happen often on here. Paulie, I thought we were friends! I’m so hurt!
Standing for the exact opposite of what your party stands for is standing for something, but it’s not what the party expects for the few candidates it chooses to fund from the national level.
Already did. If you don’t want to go back to the last thread to look for them, why should I?
There was also the enabling act for more police funding.
True, and there’s also the 10k the LNC gave him. This was their way to correct the record and apologize to the membership for that. While asking for the money back has no teeth, it’s still the right thing to do.
Electing legislators whose only votes are to make government bigger, on issues as obvious as corporate welfare to billionaires and more funding for the police state, is not a way for a libertarian party to grow. Maybe it’s a way for generic party #3 to grow, but that’s not the purpose of the LP.
You can still stand for something and not be a Robot.
If anyone has a link to any statements from members who voted against the censure, please feel free to post them. Thanks
“Austin Cassidy
November 3, 2016 at 10:05
Moore switched parties late in his term and the only meaningful vote he cast as a Libertarian was for the stadium.”
He also voted in favor of the “More Cops” tax increase.
John Moore is an opportunistic lying scumbag politician who should have no place in the Libertarian Party.
Yes, links to all the discussions were posted in the last article and thread, which was linked from this one. I also posted some of them individually as comments in that thread.
Moore switched parties late in his term and the only meaningful vote he cast as a Libertarian was for the stadium.
If he had a full resume of fighting big government as a Libertarian, and then this one bad vote, I’m not sure it would rise to the level of censure. But from what I can see, his ENTIRE resume representing the LP is a stadium vote and some advocacy for a law allowing animals to go into restaurants.
He’s obviously going to lose re-election next week, might as well at least be clear with the voters what the Libertarian position on this is.
I’m much more excited by what I’m seeing from Nebraska state senator Laura Ebke. She’s doing great work to build the party and her term doesn’t end until 2018.
“Tony From Long Island
November 3, 2016 at 09:43
If the Libertarian Party doesn’t grow and then be able to actually influence the discussion and actual governance, it might as well shut down.”
If the Libertarian Party does not stand for anything it might as well not even exist.
If the Libertarian Party doesn’t grow and then be able to actually influence the discussion and actual governance, it might as well shut down.
If there is no room for even the slightest deviation from the grand high exalted mystic dogma (and I am talking in general, not about this specific instance), then how can actual governance occur? Do you expect to have 75% LP membership in every branch of local, state and federal (if it still exists after the LP revolution) government?
If the Libertarian Party does not stand for its stated principles, then it stands for nothing, and it might as well shut down.
“Oh, my God — we mustn’t STAND for anything, what would the NEIGHBORS think?”
That’s exactly what you would say . . . I did predict that.
You are precisely the guy Michael Cloud was referring to.
You really can’t see the forest for the trees.
When you censure, chastise, ostracize, burn at the stake, or whatever , anyone who deviates slightly from your “principles,” you are left with nothing. You are left with fringe. You are left with angry bitter people conplainging “why doesn’t everyone agree with me?” They are always wrong and I (or we) are always right.
Tony From Long Island said: “‘Censure’ is a useless fruitless exercise that does nothing except lose a member.”
Losing John Moore as a Libertarian Party member would be a good thing.
TK, you do make a very rational argument, but it’s really never a good idea to use rape as an analogy.
Have their been any statements of rationale from the six members who voted no? I’d be interested in reading them.
Tony,
Censure isn’t really about the person being censured.
It’s about the party showing that it actually stands for what it stands for.
Moore switched from the Republican Party to the LP with quite a bit of fanfare a few months ago. The Libertarian Party went out of its way to put as much publicity as possible on him and to tell Nevada voters “THIS is the Libertarian Party.”
Then he raped those voters.
Censure is the Libertarian Party telling those voters “we’re sorry we let your rapist fool us; we’re on your side, not his.”
Actually TK, I was quoting Michael Cloud in his wonderful book “Secrets of Libertarian Persuasion.” He’s got a chapter called “Why are some Libertarians so negative?” I do stress it said “SOME” and I agree with that, but those few really paint the LP in a negative light.
This thread isn’t about what the LP does or doesn’t stand for. It’s about whether this censure accomplishes anything or was a wise way to conduct their business. I think it isn’t.
“Censure” is a useless fruitless exercise that does nothing except lose a member. It’s always all or nothing. Instead of (in essence) booting this guy from the party – because, really, why would he stay now, why doesn’t the party try convince him that his stance was wrong, as you suggest I do?
Sure, you can all say “good riddance . . . ” but is that the best way to go about things? Just exile anyone who makes a move you disagree with? Reality just doesn’t work that way.
I enjoy going back and forth about which LP issues I agree with, which I don’t and giving my reasons for such.. This isn’t really the thread for that.
Tony,
The Libertarian Party claims to stand for certain things.
OK, so you don’t agree with what the Libertarian Party claims to stand for. No biggie. Here are two honest ways to act on that:
1) Find or start a party you DO agree with; or
2) Try to convince the Libertarian Party that it should change what it stands for to agree with you.
Here’s a dishonest way to act on it:
3) Whine that the Libertarian Party is “Nega-tarian” or whatever any time it actually stands for what it claims to stand for instead of what you wish it stood for.
An exercise in futility. “Nega-tarians” strike again.
Maybe Sheldon Adelson can help him cough up the dough! ?
http://www.ktnv.com/news/political/companies-led-by-stadium-developer-continued-political-donations-before-stadium-special-session
Well done, LNC!
Welp… find target number one for my new party for a party affiliation switch.