David Nolan speaks out on LNC attempts to purge Angela Keaton

The founder of the Libertarian Party had this to say in an open e-mail:

As a member of the Judicial Committee, it would be inappropriate for me to comment on any of this. If the LNC votes to remove Angela, I assume she would appeal their action to the JC, and I wild not want to prejudice our deliberations or create the impression that they WOULD be prejudiced.

Of greater concern to me right now is the increasing evidence that the Barr campaign has effectively “blown off” the party. Angela’s blog item stating that Andrew Davis as much as said so earlier today confirmed my suspicions in that regard. Then, after reading her comment, I attended a meeting of our local Barr Meet-up group. One person there passed out samples of the campaign “issues” brochure and bumper sticker. The word LIBERTARIAN does not appear once on either. Nor does it appear on the masthead of the Barr’08 website; instead, there’s a big blank space in the middle of the masthead where the word LIBERTARIAN ought to be.

The root of these glaring omissions is most likely that the two top people in the campaign – Russ Verney and Shane Cory – are not Libertarians, and have no interest in building the LP. (In Cory’s case, there’s considerable reason to expect that he would like to damage the party, instead.)  Barr is turning out to be a better candidate than I feared he would be, but his campaign is turning into a disaster.  Fundraising has been pathetic: less than $850K to date. It seems all but certain that Barr will be only 46 or 47 state ballots (vs. 48 for Badnarik). All the signs of an impending train wreck!

The big question in my mind today is: why the Hell should anyone do anything for the Barr campaign, when they are avoiding all mention of the L word, can’t raise money on their own, and are dropping the ball on ballot access? Unless the LNC faces up to these problems, we are going to blow our best opportunity in many years.

56 thoughts on “David Nolan speaks out on LNC attempts to purge Angela Keaton

  1. Gene Trosper

    Agreed, Mr. Nolan.

    Barr, as a candidate, is NOT some sort of crisis situation for the party (though he could use some improvement), but his campaign pretty much blows. It’s a damn shame. Honestly, I wish more “radicals” would have swallowed a bit of their pride and stepped into assist the campaign in any way whatsoever. The result would have been a stronger candidate and a more dynamic campaign. In my own opinion, anyway.

    I think there is still some hope, but it’s vanishing quickly.

  2. G.E. Post author

    If Barr, with his 49.7% of convention delegates wanted the support of the radicals, he could have asked Steve Kubby to be his VP.

    No. He came. He saw. He won by the thinnest possible margins. And he told the other half of the party to go fuck itself. We have responded in kind.

  3. JackTanner

    I am very pleased with the Bob Barr campaign.

    We get positive response in our area with
    President BARR wave and yard signs (80 cents)

    Neither sign includes the word “Libertarian”.

    Five or more elected public officials in LEE county Florida are libertarians.

    If we depended only on support and vote from Libertarians, we would not be elected.

    I was elected by 70% margin (103,000 votes) .

    We promote issues, not party politics.

    http://www.artypeinc.com/store/

    http://bobbarr.meetup.com/65/photos/

  4. G.E. Post author

    Jack – That’s great. You didn’t need the LP’s help to get elected.

    Newsflash: Barr will not get elected, and he’s only on the ballot because of the LP. He owes them something, unlike you.

  5. Robert Milnes

    Agreed, Mr. Nolan. I have offered to serve the LP by heading a fusion ticket. I suggested Karen Kwiatkowski, Mary Ruwart or Angela vp. But the Barr/Root ticket would have to be suspended pursuant to party bylaws.

  6. darolew

    Milnes, if the Barr/Root ticket was suspended I can assure you that you would not be the replacement. Your name wouldn’t even come up in the conversation, except perhaps as a joke.

  7. morey

    I don’t think anyone needs the LP’s help to get elected. It’s the other way around. The LP needs candidates who will build the party.

  8. JackTanner

    Since Bob Barr was elected as the Libertarian candidate for President, his campaign provided more positive comments and interviews in the news media, about the Libertarian Party, than all the previous Libertarian candidates.

    As a Libertarian, I am proud to be connected with Ron Paul and Bob Barr.

  9. langa

    Speaking of signs, I happen to live in what used to be Barr’s old congressional district (the one where he won, before the gerrymandering took place). Yet I haven’t seen a single sign. Back during the primaries, I saw a ton for Ron Paul, and several for Huckabee as well. I’ve even seen a few for McCain, but not a single one for Barr.

  10. G.E. Post author

    And no one has any question as to whether or not Milnes is. He isn’t.

    Nor does anyone have any question as to his mental stability. He’s shithouse-rat crazy.

  11. Mike Gillis

    I guess we’ll see if the sun comes up tomorrow, too.

    Milnes, please stop this. I’d say you’re embarrassing yourself, but you seem to have no shame.

  12. Mike Gillis

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    If that ever happened, I’d probably be distracted by all the flying pigs.

  13. Mike Gillis

    G.E., we’ve been through this. That is your opinion.

    An opinion based on far more greater and far more reliable evidence than yours.

  14. G.E. Post author

    Mike Gillis, I really like you. Have you ever given hardcore libertarianism / anarcho-capitalism a serious look? You are too rational to remain with the Left. That’s why you’ve already moved away from the Greens and towards Nader.

  15. Mike Gillis

    Naw. I’m a hard leftist in the “Western social democrat” sense. So no, I’m not won over by anarcho-capitalist/libertarian arguments.

    And like with my orthodox socialist friends and their prescriptions, I’ve seen “the free market” also devolve into a club that a few use to beat down the many. Environmental destruction, exploitation of workers, massive income disparity, non-regulation with dangerous food and health products, people dying of lack of access to healthcare.

    I’m too much of a skeptic to believe that the “free market” is as much a silver bullet to our problems than socialism is.

    I’m sympathetic to the aims of pure socialism, but too often I’ve seen good beginnings quickly lead to a handful of unaccountable leaders with far too much power acting like they know what’s best for everyone else and top-down rather than bottom-up government.

    I’ve seen strong social safety nets work and improve quality of life in a number of countries and that’s what I aim for.

    I’m naturally a skeptic and I want to base my beliefs off what what we’ve seen work. And what I’ve seen work is more of a Western European social democracy, but with the separation of powers and checks and balances (ideally) of the American system.

    I would say that my stances on social issues are actually more libertarian than typically American liberal, though. They lean more toward “leave people alone to find their own path” than embracing their feel-good identity politics.

    As I grew apart from the Greens I’ve learned to truly dislike hippies, identity politics and general “feel goodery”.

    But I think my general philosophical outlook might be at odds with the politics you think I’d match up with.

    To sum it up, I hate bullies – big people that pick on small people. And I think the role of government is to protect the small from getting trampled by the big.

    So yeah. I’m not ripe for conversion. 🙂

    (this wasn’t an invitation to an argument)

  16. G.E. Post author

    How old are you, Mike? And have you actually examined the radical stuff? I’m not trying to have an argument or even a debate. I’m just asking.

  17. Mike Gillis

    29 and I’ve had a number of libertarian friends and a number of long conversations.

    Like the long conversations with my socialist friends, I just hit a philosophical roadblock and come to the conclusion that their solutions are bit too utopian and leave far too much to faith.

  18. Mike Gillis

    I find that about as likely as me becoming a Robert Milnes for President supporter.

    My political beliefs are all but solidified, but the details largely evolve.

    Unlike many leftists, I’m fairly moderate on guns, I favor legalizing prostitution and polygamy, and I strongly dislike hippies.

  19. fresnoa

    I see what you mean Mike. I think I agree with you but I have a distrust that people will screw the system so I sometimes feel the Libertarian way is the way to go.

  20. Brian Miller

    Since Bob Barr was elected as the Libertarian candidate for President, his campaign provided more positive comments and interviews in the news media, about the Libertarian Party, than all the previous Libertarian candidates.

    Uhhhh, I wouldn’t say that.

    I know that I spread the word about the Barr nomination to our local media.

    While he got more press than, say, Badnarik, 99% of it was in the “why the hell would the Libertarians nominate this guy when he’s done all these horrible things in the past” and “how can we believe Bob Barr has really changed” veins.

  21. Dodge Landesman

    I think it’s outrageous that anyone would even think about kicking Keaton off. But that being said, Barr has been loyal to the LP. I co-hosted a fundraiser for him in NYC where he promoted other LP candidates and talked about how he was proud of the party. He has also mentioned it on many TV interviews, and I think it genuinely proud to be a Libertarian.

  22. paulie cannoli

    Honestly, I wish more “radicals” would have swallowed a bit of their pride and stepped into assist the campaign in any way whatsoever. The result would have been a stronger candidate and a more dynamic campaign. In my own opinion, anyway.

    Right before Denver some of the Republitarians on Turd Potty Watch were bragging about how they were going to purge the radicals/anarchists
    in Denver.

    I told them to be careful what they wished for because they just might get it.

  23. paulie cannoli

    To sum it up, I hate bullies – big people that pick on small people.

    100% with you so far


    And I think the role of government is to protect the small from getting trampled by the big.

    Whereas I think the role of government is to be big and get bigger by trampling on the small.

  24. paulie cannoli

    And like with my orthodox socialist friends and their prescriptions, I’ve seen “the free market” also devolve into a club that a few use to beat down the many. Environmental destruction, exploitation of workers, massive income disparity, non-regulation with dangerous food and health products, people dying of lack of access to healthcare.

    The scare quotes are key there, since we do not have a free market.

    If you have time, read this and tell me what you think

    http://mises.org/story/2099

    If you have even more time, read this and let me know what you think

    http://ruwart.com/Healing/
    http://ruwart.com/Healing/ruwart_all.html

    If you don’t have time for either, maybe another time.

  25. paulie cannoli

    I would say that my stances on social issues are actually more libertarian than typically American liberal, though. They lean more toward “leave people alone to find their own path”

    Presumably also on foreign policy issues? So why different on economics?

  26. Mike Gillis

    Paulie, like I said I’m not looking to get into an extended debate over the internet.

    But again, we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

  27. paulie cannoli

    I’ve seen strong social safety nets work and improve quality of life in a number of countries and that’s what I aim for.

    Compared with previous situation in those countries? Quite likely, but what would have happened if the same effort that went into those same safety nets in those countries had instead gone into private sector activities, including voluntary charities etc.?

  28. paulie cannoli

    Paulie, like I said I’m not looking to get into an extended debate over the internet.

    But again, we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

    Oops, just read that. Fair enough. But please read those links if you find time, and no need to tell me what you think of them.

    It’s certainly possible you’ll think they are gibberish, but you may find them interesting.

  29. Mike Gillis

    Apparently “I don’t want to get into a lengthy debate over the internet” doesn’t translate.

    For some reason, I let alot of things I disagree with pass on this site, but many libertarians can’t.

    Hell, your opinions dominate this site. Just let it go.

  30. paulie cannoli

    Apparently “I don’t want to get into a lengthy debate over the internet” doesn’t translate.

    It translated just fine as soon as I read it. Actually I never did want to get into a lengthy internet debate either, although I was curious about what you thought of material in links I provided if you got a chance to read it.

    For some reason, I let alot of things I disagree with pass on this site, but many libertarians can’t.

    No one said you have to let anything you disagree with pass, although that is certainly a choice you are free to make.

    Hell, your opinions dominate this site.

    Not by my choice, as I’ve spoken out in favor of inviting more leftists to blog here.

    Just let it go.

    OK.

  31. G.E. Post author

    Mike G. is afraid he might be converted if he subjects himself to the truth that is to be found at Mises.org.

    Continue to wallow in ignorance, my friend Mike G. You will come over to the Dark Side in due time. Bwahahah!

  32. G.E. Post author

    paulie – You make it sound like someone, i.e. me, is preventing leftists from joining us. Of course, this is not what you’re saying, but I just wanted to clarify that it’s not true. Even TPW, back before it became the sycophantic Barr propaganda mill that it is today, made an effort to include leftists among its bloggers, but they just weren’t interested. We have Gregg Jocoy here, who does a great job, and Ross is pretty leftish too, and he’s doing a great job as well. That’s two more than the quality leftist bloggers they have at TPW, but yeah, we could use some more.

  33. G.E. Post author

    Peter, you’re a really good writer. And I have the need to have articles written. Therefore, from your ability to my need. WRITE SOME F&#KIN’ articles while I give my self a manni-petti-, prole!

    That’s my impression of a World Workers Party contributor.

  34. paulie cannoli

    Mike G. is afraid he might be converted if he subjects himself to the truth that is to be found at Mises.org.

    Unproductive. I can understand his desire to avoid ideological discussions here. To each their own.

    Hammering someone too hard can be counterproductive. Usually is, in fact, although it seems to work on you.

  35. G.E. Post author

    Paulie – I was clearly joking… If the “Dark Side” thing didn’t make that clear enough, I thought the “Bwahahah” would really drive the point home. Shheesh!

  36. paulie cannoli

    You make it sound like someone, i.e. me, is preventing leftists from joining us

    Sorry if I made it sound that way. Not my intent.

    I was merely attempting to address Mike’s point that there are more libertarians than leftists here, which is true.

    I count myself as both a leftist and a libertarian, although most of those who consider themselves leftists would not see me as one.

  37. G.E. Post author

    I know it was not your intent, but I just wanted to clarify in case anyone thought that’s what you meant.

  38. paulie cannoli

    Paulie – I was clearly joking… If the “Dark Side” thing didn’t make that clear enough, I thought the “Bwahahah” would really drive the point home. Shheesh!

    Sorry. Catching up on lots of internet crap simultaneously. 15 espresso shots keeping me awake.

  39. Mike Gillis

    I’ve had these discussions with a number of libertarian friends of mine and I’ve read libertarian lit and I find it unconvincing.

    And this “you’re just afraid to read the truth, because you know it’ll convert you” line is just bunk.

    I scoff when I hear it from religious folks knocking on my door and I scoff when I hear it from people I disagree with politically.

    I have no problem with debate, I just don’t want to get sucked into another lengthy political debate over the internet, because they just tend to make me needlessly angry and accomplish nothing.

    Especially on the site where I’m likely to be a dogpiled minority. What’s the point?

  40. G.E. Post author

    E tu, Mikey?

    I thought it was PFC I was joking. I have no interest in engaging you in debate, either.

  41. G.E. Post author

    Referring to my own creed as the “dark side” and then saying “Bwahahaah” wasn’t clear enough? Maybe it wasn’t funny, but that’s no reason to not realize I wasn’t joking. Whatever, doe.

  42. Mike Gillis

    Dude, it’s three in the morning, it’s over the internet and I first saw it quoted in Paulie’s post.

    This is why I try to avoid arguing online.

  43. G.E. Post author

    It’s 6 in the morning here, and I’ve been working on a Options Trading Manual for 11 straight hours. So forgive my loopiness.

  44. Fred Church Ortiz

    Does the manual include a 5-point money-back guaranteed wealth building strategy (and secrets Wall Street fatcats don’t want you to know)? That’s what gets ’em flying off the shelves.

  45. G.E. Post author

    No, suckaz, I wrote it, so you know it’s legit. It’s an educational product for my bosses. I don’t know how it’s going to be used — they just give me fat checks for working my magic on the keyboard.

  46. G.E. Post author

    I’ve been up for 20 hours and for some reason, I’ve never even been tired. But I AM tired of being on the PC. I’m going to go read some Don Quixote. PEACE.

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