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LPTN Chairman: Barr’s stunt ‘couldn’t have been more destructive if it were planned’

In the wake of Ron Paul’s endorsement of Chuck Baldwin, Tony Wall, the Chairman of the Tennessee Libertarian Party, has issued a statement admonishing both Bob Barr and the Libertarian National Committee for their handling of “Snubgate.”

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The stupid stunt pulled by the Barr Campaign has officially robbed this party of the opportunity of our lifetime. It couldn’t have been more destructive if it were planned. The total inaction on the part of our national leadership including the Libertarian National Committee is completely inexcusable.

Good luck spinning this one.

Tony Wall
Chair
Libertarian Party of Tennessee

48 Comments

  1. Hugh Jass Hugh Jass September 23, 2008

    I have to agree with VTV. Gravel wouldn’t have been dumb enough to snub Ron Paul, and he probably would have sought to focus on areas of agreement with libertarians, rather than conservatism as Barr is doing.

  2. VTV VTV September 23, 2008

    No. I am not nuts. In comparison to what Bob Barr has done and what Mike would of done, Mike would be doing better.

  3. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    Bob Barr became more libertarian while offering the VP spot to someone becoming less libertarian?

    He was showing principle leadership, like Bush on 9/11.

  4. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    The biggest loser in all this will be Ron Paul.

    Yes, in the same way that an elephant is the biggest loser when it steps on a rat.

  5. Fred Church Ortiz Fred Church Ortiz September 23, 2008

    Bob Barr became more libertarian while offering the VP spot to someone becoming less libertarian?

  6. Coming Back to the LP Coming Back to the LP September 23, 2008

    The biggest loser in all this will be Ron Paul.

    He has abandoned his libertarian base.

    Over the years, Dr. Paul was often perceived as being a little too conservative. Last year, during his Presidential run, he veered away even more from being an actual libertarian.

    But now, Ron Paul is not only running away from being a Libertarian, he is not only running away from supporting Liberty, he is no longer even supporting the Constitution. Baldwin’s Theocratic Communist party, that wants to impose the values of the “good communist man” on America, does not support the Constitution, and is not worthy of its name.

    Shame on Ron Paul.

    At the same time, Bob Barr is becoming more and more Libertarian. He has abandoned and renounced much of his past legislative history.

    Barr did the right thing by bailing out of Ron Paul’s self-promotional press conference.

    In the end, there will be only a small benefit to the Baldwin for Theocratic Ayatollah campaign.
    But this will be one more bit of evidence for those who called Dr. Paul crazy.

    It’s too bad, too.

    Now, with the real issue being the Financial Crisis that has been created by the Federal Reserve, a strong Ron Paul campaign led by the old Dr. Paul (who was more consistant and more Libertarian 20 years ago) could have a real impact.

  7. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    I ask for evidence regarding the child porn issue, not your assertion. A link or something.

    Too busy right now, maybe later. I’m having a brain fart on the name of the guy whose railroading Barr applauded. He was sent to prison for several years for getting a blowjob from a white girl at a party. They were both teenagers, it was concensual, and Barr argued for making the video public (the part about making it public being the only nonconcensual part). Disgusting.

    Evidence that other candidates would be doing better? They would have been at the Campaign for Liberty event. The Ron Paul public endorsement of Baldwin would not have happened.

  8. AnthonyD AnthonyD September 23, 2008

    paulie,

    I ask for evidence regarding the child porn issue, not your assertion. A link or something.

    I ask for evidence regarding your assertion that any of the other candidates would have done better. Perhaps evidence in the past that some purist got into the debates or something. Not the number of wet dreams the purists would have had that an anarchist was nominated.

  9. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    Where is the evidence for your claim that he argued for the legalization of child porn?

    It was a legal case in Georgia.

    Also, I appreciate the fact that you did not argue the main thrust of my post, namely that no other LP candidate would have done any better.

    Any of the candidates in the official Denver debate other than Barr would have been doing better now.

  10. AnthonyD AnthonyD September 23, 2008

    G.E.

    Where is the evidence for your claim that he argued for the legalization of child porn?

    Also, I appreciate the fact that you did not argue the main thrust of my post, namely that no other LP candidate would have done any better.

    VTV is nuts, Gravel was a horrible public speaker who stood for universal health care.

  11. G.E. G.E. Post author | September 23, 2008

    Gravel couldn’t get 1% in the Democratic primary. His campaign was an utter failure, VTV. Come on, now.

  12. G.E. G.E. Post author | September 23, 2008

    Barr is the one who defends alleged child molestors and has literally argued for the legalization of child-porn distribution.

  13. VTV VTV September 23, 2008

    Mike Gravel would of been doing better by now. No doubt in my mind.

  14. AnthonyD AnthonyD September 23, 2008

    I would like to ask all the Debate Club-purist Libertarians who seem to react with glee anytime there is bad news from the Barr campaign exactly where they think any other candidate for the LP nomination would have been at this point in terms of dollars raised or polling numbers? Seriously.

    Is there anyone delusional enough to think kiddie porn queen Ruwart would have raised $40 million at this point? Where would she have been in the polls now, 8%? 10%? In the lead in electoral votes?

    What about Kubby? How much money would he have raised? Phillies?

    Would any of them raised R3VOLution-type money? Would any of them been within striking distance of qualifying for the debates?

    I will readily admit that it does not appear that the Barr campaign has achieved the goals the moderates predicted, if the purists concede that no LP candidate would have come any closer. Barr is hardly doing any worse than previous nominees.

    Denigrate the Barr campaign all you want. I thank Zeus every day that Ruwart wasn’t nominated and the nightmare scenario of the LP being labeled as sympathetic to the child porn peddlers did not occur.

  15. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    There’s an ipetition circulating about that. I tried to sign it, but it said I needed some kind of password.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp September 23, 2008

    Nice statement, Tony, and thank you for making it public. Can’t say that I think it will have the desired effect, but it needed to be said anyway.

    Since the LNC seems unwilling or unable to act on the LP’s behalf as a body, perhaps those members of it who still retain some shred of integrity and credibility should form a “Responsibility Caucus” and apologize to Paul and C4L on the LP’s behalf.

  17. Ayn R. Key Ayn R. Key September 23, 2008

    Hey, Milnes, why waste your time here? You should be trying for a Republican-Democrat fusion ticket with you in the lead.

  18. tonywall tonywall September 23, 2008

    GE,
    Thanks for the kind words. Those of you here who know me know I’ll stand up for what’s right even if I have to stand alone.
    I do not believe ‘Saint Paul is untouchable,” as Mr. Smith stated. I’m not nor have I ever been a Paul supporter. What I do recognize is the evident divide in the LP. Our leadership should take a stand, one way or another, period. To date, I believe that only two or three LNC members have vocally positioned themselves on these events. Hiding your head in the sand will not make this go away. The leadership of the LP needs to do something even if it’s wrong.

  19. Mike Gillis Mike Gillis September 23, 2008

    …and IPR just got a whole lot dumber.

  20. Catholic Trotskyist Catholic Trotskyist September 23, 2008

    Exactly Robert.

    Baldwin will get third place even in California because Democrats will contribute to the massive money bomb on debate day. Then Baldwin will get a staggering amount of write-in votes, even with his barely-known running mate. This will provide a stronger message than voting for the collapsed Barr campaign, that the Christian Trotskyist movement led by Obama and the Christian true conservative movement led by Baldwin are taking over.

  21. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes September 23, 2008

    Oh man! This is the USA people. Winners (dems & reps) take all. Losers (you) suck their dust.

  22. johncjackson johncjackson September 23, 2008

    I am not the biggest Ron Paul in the world. I have been as critical as Paul as I have been of Barr in some cases. However, even I know Barr completely fucked up here.

  23. Mike Gillis Mike Gillis September 23, 2008

    That’s my take, too, Peter.

    Without CA, Baldwin gets fifth place at best. His better ballot access and Paul endorsement just might put him over McKinney and her better name recognition.

  24. Mike Gillis Mike Gillis September 23, 2008

    What fix?

    You didn’t even have a single supporter.

  25. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes September 23, 2008

    darolew, what good would that have been? The neocon fix was in.

  26. darolew darolew September 23, 2008

    “Now lose like the loser you are.”

    Says the guy who was too big of a loser to even get to the convention…

  27. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes September 23, 2008

    Thomas M. Sipos, you crack me up. NOW you whine. I told you so. But you were too busy ridiculing me. Now lose like the loser you are.

  28. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    Yes, but he won’t even get that.

  29. Thomas M. Sipos Thomas M. Sipos September 23, 2008

    Palin voters (i.e., Republican Lite “libertarians”) like what they see.

    doesn’t matter. [Barr] will still get far more than Baldwin.

    Really? It “doesn’t matter” that Palin will suck away votes from
    Barr?

    All that matters is that Barr beat Baldwin?

    My, the standards for “victory” have certainly been lowered. Root promised 2 million votes. Barr promised $40 million raised. There was talk of double digit numbers in November. Last June, some libertarians were positing scenarios in which Barr could win some states, maybe even 270 electoral votes.

    All that is gone, and yet it “doesn’t matter.” If Barr beats Baldwin, that’ll be victory.

  30. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    McKinney may end up pulling ahead.

  31. Anti-Corporate Anti-Corporate September 23, 2008

    WinstonSmith, yes … really. In the latest CNN poll, Barr and McKinney both got 1% while Nader got 4%. Perhaps you meant to question whether that poll is accurately predictive of what will happen on November 4th. But there is no discrepancy between the poll itself and my description of it. Barr and McKinney were tied at 1%. Or perhaps you meant to call attention to other polls. Fine. I linked to a long list of polls. Those polls are independent of the one poll that I was describing. Barr and McKinney tied at 1% in the latest CNN poll. Yes. Really.

  32. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    He will still get far more than Baldwin.

    Not.

  33. WinstonSmith WinstonSmith September 23, 2008

    Orwell was a socialist.

    You may want to read up on Orwell’s socialism.

    Palin voters (i.e., Republican Lite “libertarians”) like what they see.

    Not really. Wait until more about her comes out. Either way, doesn’t matter. He will still get far more than Baldwin.

  34. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 23, 2008

    The intial Palin surge definitely took votes away from Barr but as soon as everyone realizes she is a fake they will come back.

    Newsflash: they ain’t comin’ back.

    Dave Nolan is right.

    Barr is toast.

  35. Thomas M. Sipos Thomas M. Sipos September 23, 2008

    The intial Palin surge definitely took votes away from Barr but as soon as everyone realizes she is a fake they will come back.

    Not true.

    Palin voters (i.e., Republican Lite “libertarians”) like what they see. They accurately see Palin as one of their own.

    Those who see Palin as a fake never supported Barr/Root to begin with.

  36. G.E. G.E. Post author | September 23, 2008

    At least one man in the LP has courage, btw. Tony Wall is heroic for taking this stand. To hell with all of the other eunuchs at the LP.

  37. G.E. G.E. Post author | September 23, 2008

    Which is much better than having Barr on stage sucking up like the two socialists and the theocrat

    Orwell was a socialist.

    He would be truly “Rolling in his grave” to see his character’s name be used in defense of a CIA operative like Barr.

  38. Trent Hill Trent Hill September 23, 2008

    Republicans dont “come back”. They look for excuses to leave.

  39. WinstonSmith WinstonSmith September 23, 2008

    Barr is tied with McKinney at 1% in the latest CNN poll:

    Not really. McKinney had 1 month of 1% and Barr is getting that minimum every month.

    The intial Palin surge definitely took votes away from Barr but as soon as everyone realizes she is a fake they will come back.

  40. Fred Church Ortiz Fred Church Ortiz September 23, 2008

    Tony is completely incorrect. Why is Saint Paul untouchable. Barr had a disgareement (which he was completely correct) and he gave his true opinon.

    By standing up an event a half hour before it’s start, while at the same time claiming to have been involved in planning it and endorsing it. Meanwhile, he offers “St. Paul” the vice-presidential ticket. If Barr was so right to stay away and correct to have his flunkies insult the guy at every turn, why did he illegitimately offer him a position, and make a big show of announcing it (even while acknowledging it wouldn’t happen)?

  41. WinstonSmith WinstonSmith September 22, 2008

    Tony is completely incorrect. Why is Saint Paul untouchable. Barr had a disgareement (which he was completely correct) and he gave his true opinon. Which is much better than having Barr on stage sucking up like the two socialists and the theocrat.

  42. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli September 22, 2008

    Tony is completely correct here, unfortunately.

  43. Trent Hill Trent Hill September 22, 2008

    Yep,true statement. I hope the LP does ok in downticket races.

  44. kalipay kalipay September 22, 2008

    Gotta love frankness.

  45. kiddleddee kiddleddee September 22, 2008

    You go, Tony!

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