Sat. December 12th: Anti-war rally in DC. Nader & McKinney will speak

Posted by Ian Wilder at onthewilderside.com

Green Party Prez candidates Nader & McKinney headline Anti-War Rally 12/12/09

This is an updated new advisory — Ralph Nader has just confirmed that he will speak at Saturday’s rally in front of the White House. At least six and as possibly as many as nine of the speakers are Greens. Those who show up for the rally: please bring your Green Party (including DC Statehood Green Party & other state & local GP) buttons, signs, etc.

Rally in DC on December 12 will tell President Obama “No You Can’t!” send more US troops to Afghanistan

• Obama’s escalation plans will turn many of his supporters against him, say rally organizers and speakers

Emergency Anti-War Rally at the White House against President Obama’s planned military escalation in Afghanistan

• When: Saturday, December 12, 11 am to 4 pm
• Lafayette Park in Washington, DC, across from the White House, near the Farragut West Metro Station
• Organized by End US Wars http://www.enduswars.org

Thousands of Americans will gather in Lafayette Park across from the White House on Saturday, December 12, to tell President Obama “No you can’t!” send over 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan.

Speakers for the rally will include Rep. Dennis Kucinich, former Rep. and 2008 GP Prez cand Cynthia McKinney, 2000 GP Prez cand Ralph Nader, former Sen. Mike Gravel, Kathy Kelly, Chris Hedges, David Swanson, Coy McKinney, Mathis Chiroux, Green candidate for Governor of Maine Lynne Williams , Marian Douglas-Ungaro and many others. Many of the speakers are available for interview: see the online speakers list (http://www.enduswars.org/guide). Statements from Colonel Ann Wright, Kevin Zeese , Jared Ball, John Judge and many more.

Ralliers will demand that President Obama announce an immediate ceasefire in Iraq and Afghanistan to end the wars and order our troops home, stop Predator drone attacks and covert operations in Pakistan, and begin immediate reconstruction and recovery in war torn regions.

If the President does not meet these demands, he will face intensified opposition, with anti-war candidates prepared to defeat his war policy politically.

Along with the rally on December 12, the film ‘Rethink Afghanistan’ will be shown Friday December 11, from 8 to 10 pm at Busboys & Poets, 14th and V Streets NW in Washington, DC.

Related: GP Prez cand Cynthia McKinney featured at 12/12/09 Anti-war Rally

59 thoughts on “Sat. December 12th: Anti-war rally in DC. Nader & McKinney will speak

  1. Stephen Verchinski

    Damn all the corporate lackeys including the one in the White House for using such a lame excuse for two illegal wars….
    By the way POTUS…the main hijackers for 9/11 WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA!

  2. chris

    Absolutely. I too agree we should allow Afghanistan and Pakistan to remain safe harbors for terrorists.

    Ps. I was being sarcastic, cram it extreme left. Sometimes we need war to create peace.

  3. chris

    ps squared. I doubt the president is worried about the likes of kucinich, even in my more radical early 20s that guy gave me the creeps.

  4. Robert Milnes

    Like I said previously, the PLAS Experiment-special elections in MA &CA in January-is far more urgent 7 important-an emergency-than the Emergency Anti-war/anti Escalation Rally. We need all these speakers & activists to campaign in these 2 special elections right after the rally.

  5. Lindsay

    How are we going to conduct reconstruction in war-torn areas if we are bringing all of our troops home? The whole point of their being there is that the Taliban isn’t playing nice. It’s not like we can get up and leave and everything will be hunky-dory.

  6. Eric Dondero

    Can someone please explain to me why these Leftists continue to call these events, “AntiWar Rallies,” when in reality they’re nothing less than Pro-IslamoFascist demonstrations?

    They should chant, “We support Sharia… We want Sharia Law in the West…”

  7. paulie

    Damn all the corporate lackeys including the one in the White House for using such a lame excuse for two illegal wars….

    Yes.

    By the way POTUS…the main hijackers for 9/11 WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA!

    At least if you believe the regime’s official conspiracy theory.

  8. paulie

    I too agree we should allow Afghanistan and Pakistan to remain safe harbors for terrorists.

    How about DC?

    Sometimes we need war to create peace.

    Orwell couldn’t have said it any better.

    What peace is this foolish occupation of the graveyard of empires going to lead to? On the contrary, it can only lead to quagmire, more terrorism, and the bankrupting of America.

  9. paulie

    How are we going to conduct reconstruction in war-torn areas if we are bringing all of our troops home?

    You don’t heal a wound by leaving a source of infection inside it to fix it. The US invasion was a breach of the skin of Afghanistan; the occupation has become an infection. The first step is to just leave and let Afghanistan heal itself. They did it after the Soviets left, after the British left, after Alexander left, and so on…and they’ll do it after the Americans leave too. The only question is how many lives and how much money will be wasted before that happens.

    The whole point of their being there is that the Taliban isn’t playing nice.

    Any foreign policy based around the notion that the whole world will play nice is fundamentally flawed.

    It’s not like we can get up and leave and everything will be hunky-dory.

    It certainly won’t be “hunky-dory” if you stay.

  10. Eric Dondero

    Hey Paulie, do you recall what happened the last time we just up and abandoned a country, and left it to the enemy to come in and takeover?

    It was 1975. Post-Watergate era. The country was “tired of War.”

    So, we completely pulled out of South Vietnam. Took the Communists only 3 days to rampage over Saigon.

    What happened next? Massive killins of South Vietnamese. Those who weren’t slaughtered in the streets were sent away for years, decades at Concentration Camps in the jungle. Others fled to the sea. Over 1 million Boat People either perished at sea, or were starved to death at Refugee camps throughout Asia.

    And then came Pol Pot. The Khmer Rouge taking over Cambodia was a direct result of our pulling out of South Vietnam.

    How many died in the Killing Fields? Some estimates as many as 2 million out of the country’s population of 6.5 million.

    Are you and your Anti-War buddies prepared to have the blood of millions of Afghanis on your hands if and when we pull out?

    If not, than shut up.

  11. Eric Dondero

    Yes Sir, the United States of America is such an “Empire,” that throughout the 1990s, the Clinton Administration gave away 5 Alaska Islands to the Russians with millions of aquatical miles of fishing rights, despite the unanimous opposition of the Alaska Legislature, Democrats and Republicans.

    But it didn’t stop there.

    Five Islands in the South Pacific were given away to the tiny Nation of Kirabati, including Big Makin, where one of the major battles against the Japanese in WWII was fought. Big Makin has a big WWII American Marines cemetary there. But despite the objections of the VFW, and American Legion, Clinton gave Makin and the other 4 islands to Kirabati.

    Then they tried to give away 3 islands in the Caribbean, US Territories – Seranilla Banks, Bajo Nuevo, and Navassa (off the coast of Haiti).

    Some “Empire” we are. We’re giving away US Territories at a record pace. Soon, all that will be left will be the Eastern Seaboard.

  12. Steven R Linnabary

    They should chant, “We support Sharia… We want Sharia Law in the West…”

    Of course, you do forget that we enshrined “Sharia” law into the Afghan Constitution of our puppet regime there.

    …do you recall what happened the last time we just up and abandoned a country, and left it to the enemy to come in and takeover?

    It was 1975. Post-Watergate era. The country was “tired of War.”

    I’m old enough to remember that…vividly. I was discharged from the USMC in ’73. And yeah, I was tired of the carnage. And no, it wasn’t worth it.

    Eric, you forget the carnage that we inflicted with Prince Sihanouk’s puppet regime in Cambodia. When Pol Pot’s (Soviet puppet) regime took over, there was dancing in the streets.

    PEACE

  13. Tom Blanton

    I wish Mr. Dondero would explain in detail how Sharia Law will be imposed on the west if America ends its wars.

    I would also like to know the scenario where millions of Afghanis would be slaughtered if “we” pull out. Is Pol Pot hiding out in Tora Bora?

    As a bonus, perhaps Dondero could treat us to a diatribe about how Obama is now a “libertarian” since he now understands that war is peace.

  14. paulie

    Of course, you do forget that we enshrined “Sharia” law into the Afghan Constitution of our puppet regime there.

    Exactly. Puppet regime being the key term; not all empires rule by claiming all territory they control.

    I’m old enough to remember that…vividly. I was discharged from the USMC in ‘73. And yeah, I was tired of the carnage. And no, it wasn’t worth it.

    Some people apparently still don’t understand that it was an unwinable war, that the US should never have been there to begin with, and should have pulled out sooner once it was there. The bloody war and occupation that the US inflicted on Southeast Asia no doubt contributed greatly to the extent of the violence the communists carried out once the US inevitably pulled out.

    It’s also quite likely there will be a great deal of bloodshed in Iraq and Afghanistan after the US finally leaves – and the longer it takes the US to leave, the worse it will be.

    Eric, you forget the carnage that we inflicted with Prince Sihanouk’s puppet regime in Cambodia. When Pol Pot’s (Soviet puppet) regime took over, there was dancing in the streets.

    It’s quite likely that without the US bombing of Kampuchea, Pol Pot would never have come to power.

    As for Sharia law in America, that’s just too silly to even talk about.

  15. Michael H. Wilson

    @ 11 Dondero you have a pretty selective memory of the history of Vietnam. You might recall that the French gave up the country during WWII to the Japanese and that it was the Vietminh who fought on our side against the Japanese.

    Ho Chi Minh actually admired the U.S. It was our country that turned its back on him and his country. If Truman had supported Ho Chi Minh as much as he supported the state of Israel and not supported the French and their colonial desires then maybe the Vietnam war never would have happened and the slaughter of so many would have not occurred.

    Things don’t happen in a vacuum but a lot of politician would like us to believe that they do.

  16. Kimberly Wilder

    #13

    LOL!

    Laughing in a profound way.

    Thank you Steven, for being smart enough to answer specifically Eric Dondero’s nasty, right-wing propaganda foolishness, that I only knew was wrong from intuition!!!!

    LOL

    Facts are dangerous!

    😉
    Kimberly

  17. Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News

    Michael H. Wilson // Dec 12, 2009 :
    “[Uncle] Ho Chi Minh actually admired the U.S. It was our country that turned its back on him and his country.”

    Same paradyme with the Castro brothers in Cuba….. It was Fidel whom made him self available [with out fruitation] in Washington and NYC to Ike and Nixon.

  18. Ted Brown

    It’s a shame that there isn’t an official Libertarian speaker at the rally. Mike Gravel did seek the LP presidential nomination, but he’s not normally a Libertarian spokesman. We need to be in the forefront of opposing the Afghan debacle. Thank you, Green Party, for being so active in the cause of peace.

  19. paulie

    Libertarians should create a group similar to what Greens have here with End US Wars, what (PSL? I think) did with ANSWER, etc. I brought it up to Eric Garris, but they don’t want to expand into advocacy, even though other groups they work closely with set up a c4 parallel with c3 so they could openly help Ron Paul last year.

  20. Tony Gantt

    I agree with Ted Brown and Paulie. I’m neither Left nor Right, just an American. The Vietnam war was based on a lie, ie. the torpedoing of a US warship in that gulf (I forgot the name of) that never happened. The Iraq war has been proven to be based on a lie. 9/11 has been proven to have been done by our OWN US government. And now the financial collapse of our country is inevitable thanks to Goldman-Sachs and your war-time Nobel Peace Prize accepting MORON of a president. I’m sick of it all. I hope everyone involved in all these monstrous DEADLY scandals ROT IN HELL!!! Everyone needs to listen to that old Buffalo Springfield song, “For What It’s Worth”… here’s the link, I’m done… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9PiEgYYUU

  21. Trent Hill

    “How are we going to conduct reconstruction in war-torn areas if we are bringing all of our troops home? The whole point of their being there is that the Taliban isn’t playing nice. It’s not like we can get up and leave and everything will be hunky-dory.”

    It isnt going to be hunky-dory regardless.

  22. Green Party fan

    I was at the Green Party peace demo today in Washington D.C.

    It was well attended and great fun. Several musical acts were creative, clever.

    The most moving speeches was from one of the organizers, retired Navy captain Ron Fisher, (Independent Greens of Virginia).

    Fisher, and Ralph Nader (earlier) pointed out that to get a single gallon of gas to the troops costs taxpayers $400 a gallon.

    It was an extraordinary event organized, and run by Independent Greens in just three weeks.

    Thank you Green Party!!

  23. Trent Hill

    “Yes Sir, the United States of America is such an “Empire,” that throughout the 1990s, the Clinton Administration gave away 5 Alaska Islands to the Russians with millions of aquatical miles of fishing rights, despite the unanimous opposition of the Alaska Legislature, Democrats and Republicans.

    But it didn’t stop there.

    Five Islands in the South Pacific were given away to the tiny Nation of Kirabati, including Big Makin, where one of the major battles against the Japanese in WWII was fought. Big Makin has a big WWII American Marines cemetary there. But despite the objections of the VFW, and American Legion, Clinton gave Makin and the other 4 islands to Kirabati.

    Then they tried to give away 3 islands in the Caribbean, US Territories – Seranilla Banks, Bajo Nuevo, and Navassa (off the coast of Haiti).”

    That’s a nice start. Now let’s give back everything else we’ve gotten through war, rather than pioneering expansion or purchase.

  24. Green Party fan

    Cynthia McKinney, of the Green Party, looked great and was also on fire in her speech.

    Her son spoke after Cynthia, and he read a letter from an U.S. veteran, who is stranded in Canada after refusing to deploy to Iraq.

    The Green Party’s McKinney family is a force for positive change today.

  25. Tony Gantt

    Green Party fan, was there much news coverage? How many people turned out? Think it made an impact?

  26. VAGreen

    “Tom Blanton // Dec 12, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I wish Mr. Dondero would explain in detail how Sharia Law will be imposed on the west if America ends its wars.”

    I guess in the same way that the 5% of the Sunni insurgents in Iraq who were al-Qaeda would have defeated the other 95% as well as the Shiite militias and the Kurds, and then stormed across the Middle East and Europe.

  27. Eric Dondero

    Umm, Paulie, We had already won the Vietnam War. It was over. That North Vietnamese settled for a dividing line, accepted it. Then Watergate struck. Republicans in the US were weakened politically. They could no longer continue to back up their friends in South Vietnam. Democrats took over control of Congress, and voted against every single piece of legislation of support for the South Vietnamese government, thereby completely weakening it.

    The N. Vietnamese were watching American politics very closely. They saw this, and waited.

    Finally Ford was forced by the Dem-controlled Congress to pull out the very last of American troops. And it was over.

    The death warrants for over 1 million South Vietnamese, and another 2 million Cambodians had been signed.

    And the blood of all those millions is on the hands of all those Democrat Congressman from the 1970s who voted to abandon our allies.

  28. Eric Dondero

    You all AntiWarists. Go ahead. Force our Government to abandon Afghanistan.

    This time unlike post-Vietnam, there won’t be a media blackout on the result of the pull-out.

    This time, those of us on the Right will put it in our faces every single minute of every day.

    When the images of Afghani women getting their heads chopped off in the streets of Qhandahar come over the internet, we’ll pass them on to your inbox for your email.

    We’ll post all the images of all the Afghani dead children that are slaughtered at the hands of the Taliban on our blogs and websites. And in big bold letters will be written:

    This is a direct result of Anti-War activists in the United States who wanted to abandon Karzai and the democratic government of Afghanistan. They have the blood of hundreds of thousands of Afghanis on their hands.

  29. Eric Dondero

    I was there in the early 1980s. I was serving on the USS Kittyhawk CV-63 in the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. I saw the Vietnamese boat people. Our ship helped to fish some of the refugees out of the water.

    Do you all realize how many Vietnamese perished in the South China Sea in the late 1970s and early ’80s escaping the Vietnamese Communists who had ransackled over Saigon?

    By some estimates as many as 1.5 million died at Sea or from disease and starvation in the refugee camps in Thailand and throughout Southeast Asia.

    Funny you never see any Documentary Specials on this on the History Channel (owned by Far Left NBC), or other media. It’s forgotten history. Cause the liberals don’t want the reminder that they’re the ones responsible for one of the greatest Human Slaughters of the late 20th Century.

  30. Michael H. Wilson

    For the life of me I don’t get this attitude; “I brought it up to Eric Garris, but they don’t want to expand into advocacy…”

  31. Mik Robertson

    By what authority was the United States government intervening in southeast Asia? The domino theory that was touted as the reason at the time clearly was not true.

    It strikes me as odd that the United States government finds it now must intervene in several countries to address an organization that developed as a direct result if its previous interventions. There must be a better way to conduct foreign policy.

  32. Mik Robertson

    @35 “Then Watergate struck. Republicans in the US were weakened politically. They could no longer continue to back up their friends in South Vietnam. Democrats took over control of Congress, and voted against every single piece of legislation of support for the South Vietnamese government, thereby completely weakening it.”

    Democrats had control of both houses of Congress from 1957 until 1981. If they wanted to vote against legislation supporting South Viet Nam they could have done so anytime.

  33. Kimberly Wilder

    I would be interested to know who really organized this. I did not hear anywhere else that it was organized by the Independent Greens of Virginia. That group is not connected to the official, national Green Party. And, I find their platform to be sparse and conservative compared to most green groups.

    Oh, well.

    One news report said 100 people “organized” the event. So, I don’t know if they were implying only 100 attended…????

    Have not seen other numbers.

    There is a website that has posted some audio of the music and speeches:

    http://www.voxunion.com/?p=2007

  34. paulie

    “What peace is this foolish occupation of the graveyard of empires going to lead to? On the contrary, it can only lead to quagmire, more terrorism, and the bankrupting of America.”

    Oh come on, Paulie, you couldnt link to my article?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/hill-t1.html

    Excellent article. This is the first time I’ve read it. It appears it was publuished back in May, when I was without internet. Had I known about it, I would have linked it, as it goes into much more detail than the one I found in a cursory search.

  35. paulie

    It was an extraordinary event organized, and run by Independent Greens in just three weeks.

    I doubt that. If it had been, I don’t think the national Green Party would have been involved. I’d be interested in more details on this. Is IGP taking credit for other people’s work again?

  36. paulie

    “Yes Sir, the United States of America is such an “Empire,” that throughout the 1990s, the Clinton Administration gave away 5 Alaska Islands to the Russians with millions of aquatical miles of fishing rights, despite the unanimous opposition of the Alaska Legislature, Democrats and Republicans.

    But it didn’t stop there.

    Five Islands in the South Pacific were given away to the tiny Nation of Kirabati, including Big Makin, where one of the major battles against the Japanese in WWII was fought. Big Makin has a big WWII American Marines cemetary there. But despite the objections of the VFW, and American Legion, Clinton gave Makin and the other 4 islands to Kirabati.

    Then they tried to give away 3 islands in the Caribbean, US Territories – Seranilla Banks, Bajo Nuevo, and Navassa (off the coast of Haiti).”

    That’s a nice start. Now let’s give back everything else we’ve gotten through war, rather than pioneering expansion or purchase.

    Enforcing the treaties made with the native nations would be a good step to take as well, and what about the occupied territories the US is still holding from the Mexican-American war?

  37. paulie

    I guess in the same way that the 5% of the Sunni insurgents in Iraq who were al-Qaeda would have defeated the other 95% as well as the Shiite militias and the Kurds, and then stormed across the Middle East and Europe.

    There might be an Al Qaida operative hiding under your bed right now!

  38. George Phillies

    @14

    Given that Al Qaeda in Iraq was a fundraising scheme — scam is perhaps too cruel — by the Army for God and Monotheism — Iraqi revolutionary groups are fond of impressive names — the danger that Mr Bin Ladin’s friends will conquer Iraq is a bit more limited than that. After all, the scheme was conducted in public via the press, it being difficult for the Army for God and Monotheism to phone Mr. Bin Ladin. The Army for… leadership said publicly that if Mr Bin Ladin would come up with the cash, they would change their name, and the deal was visibly consummated, an approach familiar to every American whose athletic field is now the King Klang Corn Dog Stadium.

  39. paulie

    For the life of me I don’t get this attitude; “I brought it up to Eric Garris, but they don’t want to expand into advocacy…”

    Neither do I. They’d be the logical ones to do it, as the work they have already done would take a lot to recreate. But the idea always gets shot down.

  40. paulie

    By what authority was the United States government intervening in southeast Asia?

    None other than “might makes right.”

    Or, as the invasion of Panama was ironically called, “Operation Just (Be)Cause”.

  41. Green Party fan

    Apologies for delayed response to questions above about the Green Party peace demo.

    The media coverage, at least based on the number of cameras that were there was good.

    Mean Green Party members are also in the media now. Jared Ball of the Green Party was doing various interviews for his broadcast on the radio.

    The Washington Post, Washington Times, Examiner, Chronicle were among familiar reports walking through the crowd.

    A group of college students were also working through the crowd with question forms. They were doing a study of who attended, and their motives…

    Are you here because you are a Green Party candidate?

    Will you run as a Green Party candidate?

    For a day long event the turnout was excellent for a cold December day.

    I would guess a few thousand folks visited the day long event.

    The Baltimore Green Party had some excellent banners.

    It was really a joyous celebration for all of us wanting a Green Party alternative to the two larger parties.

    It’s always a challenge to give a fair estimate of how

  42. Steven R Linnabary

    We had already won the Vietnam War. It was over. That North Vietnamese settled for a dividing line, accepted it. Then Watergate struck. Republicans in the US were weakened politically. They could no longer continue to back up their friends in South Vietnam. Democrats took over control of Congress, and voted against every single piece of legislation of support for the South Vietnamese government, thereby completely weakening it.

    The N. Vietnamese were watching American politics very closely. They saw this, and waited.

    Finally Ford was forced by the Dem-controlled Congress to pull out the very last of American troops. And it was over.

    The Paris Peace Accords consisted of several points including reparations, withdrawal of US troops, negotiations between the Thieu regime and the VC toward a political settlement and finally a gradual reunification with the Hanoi regime.

    The US quickly repudiated any reparations and the Thieu regime refused to negotiate with the VC.

    But Eric is correct that the Watergate scandal probably hastened the return of our troops.

    There was a popular libertarian bumpersticker at the time “It’s hard enough supporting one government, let alone Thieu”.

    PEACE

  43. Eric Garris

    I never told Paulie that we didn’t want to engage in “advocacy.” However, Antiwar.com is a 501(c)3 organization and we do not and may not endorse candidates for office.

    Our attorneys tell us that we may not set up a parallel electoral arm without endangering our IRS exemption. I am not aware of any 501(c)3 that set up a parallel organization to endorse Ron Paul. In fact, LewRockwell.com had to reorganize as a 501(c)4 in order to support the Ron Paul candidacy.

    BTW, we endorsed the Dec. 12 rally.

  44. Michael H. Wilson

    Hi Eric and thanks for the reply.

    I’m not trying to be a smartass but how do we get Libertarians more involved with the general antiwar movement. How do we get speakers from our side to attend these events?

    I know that some people have done some work and that includes me. I’ve done a booth or two and pulled myself out of bed after surgery in 2003 to participate in an antiwar march
    ( pardon me for bragging) and I know others that are at work on the issue. A libertarian friend has a radio show where he reads the numbers killed each week.

    Personally I’m disappointed and I know my friend in radio is as well at the lack of effort by the big shots, shall we call them, in doing something about this issue. Fact is it is one reason my friend left the party.
    Thanks.

  45. Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News

    Michael H. Wilson // Dec 14, 2009: how do we get Libertarians more involved with the general antiwar movement. How do we get [such] speakers to attend these events?

    [a] First the CP and LP are known wide and far and GOP and [apologies to paulie] rather conservative.

    [b] Secondary, as such, the other anti war juveniles do not want ‘them’ to play in their sand box of parades, rallies and boots on the lawn!

    For years I have tried to get the yearly organizers of the San Diego Zoo/ Balboa Park events to reach out to non middies and non lefties for the anniversary of the unconstitutional invasion of the mid east.

    Not only were the CP and LP types luke warm, but the Greens and P&F types mumbled all over the place about them ‘not fitting in’.

    Not directly, but observed, much the same seems to happen every April for Earth Day [also near San Diego Zoo/ Balboa Park]!

  46. Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News

    Eric Dondero // Dec 12, 2009: “We had already won the Vietnam War. It was over ………. ”

    Boy you prove what folks are thinking about you on a regular basis. [Hear from the Vatican recently ????]

    — Not true in 1939
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    * USA unilaterally cancels Viet Nam wide mandate ………….

  47. Robert Milnes

    I’d like to reiterate. If there is going to be a PLAS Experiment in January, we have got to get moving on it. It is very urgent. It is going to take a lot more than just contributions to the 2 candidates. The candidates are going to have to endorse it. So any contributions should be tied to that endorsement. Also activism. Activists & donors should contact the candidates and demand they endorse the Experiment or they will withhold their contributions and campaign assistance. The 2 candidates are Joe Kennedy for U.S. Senate in MA & Jane Rands for State Assembly in CA. This effort is going to take a lot of time, energy, $ & POLITICAL WILL. The latter seems lacking which I am mystified at. I assumed third party & Ind. people would be interested in a new strategy, esp. one designed to achieve a possible election win by plurality. I personally have the political will & being unemployed, the time. Being broke & depressed are my problems. So if you want me to campaign, I’m going to need volunteer help and donations. Go to my websites for that. I personally could with help now, arrange to campaign in MA from about Jan 2-19. Also I could help from there with the campaign in CA via the internet mostly. I have wireless internet & voip phone. I need a motorhome/campaign vehicle. A PLAS website would help also. So, I urgently call on anyone who is interested in this Experiment and these campaigns including mine, to get moving asap.

  48. paulie

    I never told Paulie that we didn’t want to engage in “advocacy.” However, Antiwar.com is a 501(c)3 organization and we do not and may not endorse candidates for office.

    Our attorneys tell us that we may not set up a parallel electoral arm without endangering our IRS exemption. I am not aware of any 501(c)3 that set up a parallel organization to endorse Ron Paul. In fact, LewRockwell.com had to reorganize as a 501(c)4 in order to support the Ron Paul candidacy.

    Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was a parallel organization, but they just changed their status.

    As for setting up parallel organizations, it’s commonplace – MPP, for example. I don’t know why you would not be allowed to do the same thing they did. They might even tell you how they did it if you ask them.

    BTW, we endorsed the Dec. 12 rally.

    Glad to hear it. But the original point that led to this discussion was the lack of libertarian speakers (unless you count Mike Gravel). I’m thinking that the only way we will get significant representation of libertarian speakers at peace events is if libertarians organize rallies like this. I don’t know of anyone better equipped to do so than you all, although I would welcome anyone else who would be willing to take it on.

  49. paulie

    [a] First the CP and LP are known wide and far and GOP and [apologies to paulie] rather conservative.

    Deservedly so, until we do more to correct that mistake.

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