Liberty for America February 2011 issue is out

George Phillies’ Liberty for America has come out with a February 2011 issue, which can be read in full at the second link.

The headlines, some of which have been already posted as IPR stories, and others which may or may not in the coming days:


LSLA Meeting Cancelled
LP Oregon Sets State Convention
New Hampshire Liberty Forum Cancelled
LP California Sets State Convention
Libertarian State Parties Raise Federal Money
Assange News Even Better Than Previously Reported
Massachusetts Circulates Newsletter
Rhode Island Party Starts Issuing Press Releases
LNC Receives Proposed Budget
LNC Seemingly Violates By-laws, Lets ExComm Appoint New Treasurer
Knedler Appointed to LNC ExComm
Can He Actually Stop With One? Or Will Your Preacher Be Next on the Presidential Death List?
LP Texas Calls for Flood’s Removal from LNC
Region Four Alternate Wills Resigns, Starts New Party
LNC Member Olsen Praises LNC Staff, Criticizes Budget
The Secret LNC Email List
LNC In Action
LNC Appoints Wolf to Audit Committee

Over email, Phillies and I (Paulie) discussed two of those items:

1) “LSLA meeting cancelled” – in response to Kevin Knedler’s comment on that article being reproduced on IPR, we reported that the LSLA meeting was rescheduled. Dr. Phillies responded that, since there is no detailed agenda, he does not at this time consider it to be a real LSLA meeting correction: have an opinion as to whether it is a real LSLA meeting or not.

2) “LNC Seemingly Violates By-laws, Lets ExComm Appoint New Treasurer” – This one may well become a separate IPR post, but in the meantime, please feel free to discuss that (or for that matter any of the other headlines, whether or not they have been discussed as separate IPR articles yet) in the comments on this post. Again, you can read that and all the other articles at http://libertyforamerica.com/201102.pdf.

42 thoughts on “Liberty for America February 2011 issue is out

  1. Chuck Moulton

    I find it unbelievable that Stewart Flood’s name is still being regularly misspelled by Dr. Phillies. Here the correct spelling is embedded in the quote from Pat Dixon just a few lines below.

    Given the consistent record of misspelling, I am growing more and more confident that it is being done on purpose. To what end? I don’t know.

  2. paulie Post author

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    Does Stuart have some connotation that Stewart doesn’t?

  3. paulie Post author

    Spelling and nomenclature issues aside, anyone have any opinions on the alleged possible bylaws violation in the replacement of the LNC Treasurer by the exec comm rather than the whole LNC? Is there an issue there? I find bylaws to be about as tolerable as a power drill to the head, so someone else would have to help me out here.

  4. Mashed Potato with a Twist

    No idea on LP bylaws, but it seems to me that it will probably be resolved at the April meeting. If they need a vote to approve Redpath as Treasurer by the full committee to cover their ass, they can simply add it to the agenda as a five minute item and be done. Unless of course Starr or Neale are planning a surprise move, and Phillies just didn’t get forwarded on that one.

  5. AroundtheblockAFT

    In some states, chartered organizations must have a Treasurer in order to receive and disburse funds. In the case of immediate vacancy (death, arrest or resignation of Treasurer, the organization will have by-laws that allow an executive committee to appoint a temporary Treasurer until a proper election can be held. Or by-laws permit an electronic balloting by all sitting directors.

  6. paulie Post author

    appoint a temporary Treasurer until a proper election can be held.

    Yeah, I brought that up on the email and George said that he did not think it was temporary.

  7. Thomas L. Knapp

    My first guess is that the LNC will permanently replace the treasurer in accordance with the bylaws at its next meeting.

    My second guess is that the executive committee’s appointment of a treasurer will, if challenged, be characterized as;

    – Temporary pending the LNC’s bylaws-compliant action, and

    – Covered by Robert’s Rules. It wouldn’t surprise me to find that Robert’s actually does apply, and even if it doesn’t Carling and Mattson have mad bullshitting skills when it comes to that stuff.

  8. paulie Post author

    My first guess is that the LNC will permanently replace the treasurer in accordance with the bylaws at its next meeting.

    My second guess is that the executive committee’s appointment of a treasurer will, if challenged, be characterized as;

    – Temporary pending the LNC’s bylaws-compliant action, and

    – Covered by Robert’s Rules. It wouldn’t surprise me to find that Robert’s actually does apply

    That’s what I would think too, unless #7 is on to something, rather than merely on something.

  9. Bylaws Guru

    LP Bylaws on Executive Committee are silent.
    Refer to Policy Manual.
    This is a recording.
    Signed, Bob Sullentrup

  10. Matt Cholko

    It seems to me that the treasurer issue has been handled pretty well. I don’t know, or care, what the bylaws say to do, but putting Bill Redpath in the job seems pretty reasonable to me. He’s already on the LNC, so he doesn’t change the balance of “power” there. He is trusted by most Libertarians, insofar as people won’t be thinking that he’ll do anything shady with the money.

    With that said, the appointment to fill his at-large seat should be done carefully, as it COULD change the balance of power.

  11. paulie Post author

    I don’t know, or care, what the bylaws say to do,

    I don’t know either, but I do care at least somewhat that we not blatantly violate our own rules. As stated above, it seems easy to comply with that rule if in fact it exists.

    Putting Bill Redpath in the job seems pretty reasonable to me.

    I agree. The only other alternative that some LNC members pushed that I know of was Aaron Starr (see link in article). As Hinkle says in the quoted section, that would not have been a wise political move given the vote at the convention.

    With that said, the appointment to fill his at-large seat should be done carefully, as it COULD change the balance of power.

    The LNC members I talked about this with deny that such a balance of power should be a consideration. It seems to me that it should.

  12. Matt Cholko

    I agree Paulie. We do need to follow our own rules. I should have left that statement out. My real point was that I think appointing Redpath is an appropriate move by the LNC.

  13. Chuck Moulton

    If the Executive Committee exceeded its authority by taking emergency action so we would have a Treasurer to sign his name to FEC reports, under RONR the LNC can pass a motion to ratify the actions of the EC at the next LNC meeting.

  14. MarcMontoni

    The Execomm did have some discussion about whether it had the authority to appoint Redpath. Read the meeting minutes. I think the situation is an emergency (due to the requirements of FEC law), so the Execomm was definitely within its authority. Even if not, the LNC can ratify the decision (or overturn it) at its next meeting.

    The LNC members I talked about this with deny that such a balance of power should be a consideration. It seems to me that it should.

    I agree, it should. With two vacancies on the At-Large roster, the LNC has a real chance to assuage the concerns of a substantial cohort of LP members with a very judicious appointment of replacements. However, given the LNC’s frequent unwillingness to appear even-handed, I expect convincing them to do the right thing will be difficult.

    It would be appropriate for the LNC to ask the top two “also-rans” from the 2010 convention if they would be willing to serve. Pat Dixon of TX was in 6th place in the At Large race, with 168 votes (9 behind Kevin Knedler), and John Jay Myers, who was in 8th place and had 159 votes.

    [Note: Reading the convention minutes, one might wonder why I skipped over Rebecca Sink-Burris, who was in 7th place with 167 votes. The reason I skipped over her is that she was elected to a region seat but de facto resigned from the LNC due to non-attendance, two meetings in a row.]

    If the LNC were to appoint Pat & John, that would be a solid choice acceptable to many.

    [I also think long-time LP activist and regional alternate Carl Vassar would make an excellent choice for one of the At Large seats.]

    A side note: I have seen one opinion by an LNC member that the Alternates are ‘required’ by the bylaws to attend LNC meetings also. However, a study of Robert’s thoughts on the subject will clarify that alternate representatives are not required to attend unless 1) the primary representative provides notice that he can’t attend; or 2) the bylaws specifically refer to the alternate and define that duty. Alicia Mattson correctly alluded to the difference at the May 2010 meeting: “Ms. Mattson noted that the Policy Manual requires three LNC ‘members’, and members and alternates are not equivalent.”

  15. Aaron Starr

    Historically, the Executive Committee is inclined to act only when a quick decision is absolutely necessary, or on matters referred to it by the full LNC.

    I’m certain that had the elected Treasurer given notice of his future intent to resign upon selection of his replacement, the Executive Committee would have waited for the full National Committee to make the appointment.

    For the National Committee to have taken action between meetings would have required a mail ballot, which requires fifteen days.

    Unfortunately, it would have been a violation of Federal law for the LNC to operate even one day without a Treasurer (or at least an Assistant Treasurer). There would have been no legal way the organization could make a payment to a vendor, issue a payroll check to an employee or even deposit a contribution from a donor without someone holding the office.

    Regarding whether the LNC may appoint to fill a vacancy, Article 8.1 of the bylaws includes the following language: “The National Committee shall adopt rules of procedure for the conduct of its meetings and the carrying out of its duties and responsibilities. The National Committee may delegate its authority in any manner it deems necessary.”

    The National Committee adopted a special rule of order in its policy manual to give the Executive Committee broad authority:

    “The Executive Committee shall exercise all powers of the LNC between LNC meetings except for the addition, deletion, or amendment of the LNC policy manual or amendment of the budget beyond the limits specified elsewhere in this Policy Manual. Notwithstanding, the LNC reserves the right to exercise its authority through mail ballots.”

    As a result of the above language, actions of the Executive Committee are actions of the entire National Committee.

    I believe a temporary appointment would have been a violation of the bylaws, specifically because Article 7.9 states: “The National Committee shall appoint new officers if vacancies occur, such officers to complete the term of the office vacated.”

    The appointment of Redpath to the Treasurer’s slot is valid and he shall serve until the completion of his term. At this point, he may only be removed for cause.

    We seem to have a pattern of party treasurers resigning before completing their terms of office. It’s a very demanding position, assuming that one actually performs the work expected.

    I intend to ask the Bylaws Committee to propose language enabling and requiring the appointment of an assistant treasurer who shall serve during the Treasurer’s absence or vacancy.

    In case anyone is wondering, I believe Bill Redpath is a fine selection for the position of Treasurer. With his background as a CPA and Chartered Financial Analyst, he meets the qualifications to fill this role. Having served in the role once before, he understands what the position requires and is unlikely to feel so overwhelmed as to want to resign mid-term.

  16. paulie Post author

    Aaron, thank you for the explanation. If Dr. Phillies or anyone else who disagrees with what Aaron said would like to explain why, please do.

  17. paulie Post author

    With two vacancies on the At-Large roster, the LNC has a real chance to assuage the concerns of a substantial cohort of LP members with a very judicious appointment of replacements. However, given the LNC’s frequent unwillingness to appear even-handed, I expect convincing them to do the right thing will be difficult.

    It would be appropriate for the LNC to ask the top two “also-rans” from the 2010 convention if they would be willing to serve. Pat Dixon of TX was in 6th place in the At Large race, with 168 votes (9 behind Kevin Knedler), and John Jay Myers, who was in 8th place and had 159 votes.

    [Note: Reading the convention minutes, one might wonder why I skipped over Rebecca Sink-Burris, who was in 7th place with 167 votes. The reason I skipped over her is that she was elected to a region seat but de facto resigned from the LNC due to non-attendance, two meetings in a row.]

    If the LNC were to appoint Pat & John, that would be a solid choice acceptable to many.

    It would be perfectly fine with me. However, some people say it would give Texas too many people on the committee. My view is that Texas is doing the work, running the candidates, raising the money etc. to justify it.

    Pat Dixon has said that he would be willing to serve, but if the committee has to choose one or the other, he would prefer they pick John Jay Myers. John has said he is willing to serve.

    I agree with Marc that Ms. Sink-Burris should not be selected for At Large for the same reason he stated. I have been told by at least one LNC member that she has in fact applied. One of the meetings she did not attend was after the election. If her region wants to appoint her again, and if the bylaws allow it, I have no problem with that.

    If the committee is not willing to appoint two Texans, with Pat Dixon saying that JJM should be given preference over himself and the facts above regarding Ms. Sink-Burris, Judge Jim Gray was next:

    Dixon- 168
    Sink-Burris 167
    Myers 159
    Gray 153

    Myers and Gray would likewise be a fine choice, assuming Judge Gray is still willing to serve.

    I think the best that those of us who don’t side with the current majority on the LNC can reasonably/realistically ask of them is one person from “our” side, and the best case there can be made for Myers.

    Dixon or Gray would be the most logical choice for the other At Large.

  18. LibertarianGirl

    ok , im gonna go low-brow here , id like to know why there hasnt been more discussion on why the dude resigned , the crappy manner in which he did so and the excuse he gave , which im sorry seems a little disingenuous …

    holy crap Aaron couldn’t sneeze w/o a full fledged conspiracy being alleged.. but I can find very little discussion surrounding – what was dudes name?? – resigning…or about why the LSLA meeting was cancelled for that matter…but anyways

    Id also like to hear more about how using factional alliances to make choices usually backfires…..

    you shouldnt make business decisions based on who you like best , it SHOULD BE BASED on who can do the job best and consistently.

    Altho Hinkle says it would be bad given the vote,to appoint Aaron , and perhaps it would …id just like to say , the delegates got it wrong , WAY WRONG , Aaron was the best man f0r the job , that much is clear…

  19. LibertarianGirl

    P_It would be perfectly fine with me. However, some people say it would give Texas too many people on the committee. My view is that Texas is doing the work, running the candidates, raising the money etc. to justify it.

    me_ I find it completely unfair Texas has so many good folk , we should force them to hand over a few to those states who dont have enuf , in NV we want Guy and JJM , we have a few trades if need be …

  20. paulie Post author

    very little discussion surrounding – what was dudes name?? – resigning

    James Oaksun.

    1. Personal health issues – I don’t know the details.
    2. He wanted a bottom up review of everything the LNC spends money on, starting with broad categories and goals. Whereas, the rest of the committee (or at least most of them) wanted him to come up with a detailed budget based on small adjustments to what is already being done, given expected changes in party income. There was obviously a major disconnection between how he envision his role as treasurer and how (most of) the rest of the committee saw it.

    why the LSLA meeting was cancelled for that matter…

    I haven’t heard the reason, but I did hear that Rachel Hawkridge is seriously ill and has been hospitalized. I don’t know the details on that, but I hope she feels better soon. As far as I know, LSLA has been rescheduled for Columbus, Ohio in August, and if there isn’t a detailed agenda yet, that is only because there has not yet been time to put one together. Much like the matter of the exec comm appointing Bill rather than the whole committee, it does not seem to me as any kind of scandal until/unless I see something I haven’t seen yet.

    Id also like to hear more about how using factional alliances to make choices usually backfires…..

    I think it would be a mistake for the current factional majority to pick two of their allies for At Large just because they can. It seems to me that a fair way to handle it would be to appoint Myers and either Dixon or Gray, since they were runners up in the convention balloting and didn’t just effectively resign a spot on the current LNC due to non-attendance.

    you shouldnt make business decisions based on who you like best , it SHOULD BE BASED on who can do the job best and consistently.

    I think if Aaron had stuck to just being Treasurer, and did not get so heavily involved in the factional infighting on the LNC, he would have been easily re-elected. I can’t blame him for pushing hard for what he believes is right and cares about. But, at the same time, he made a lot of people who disagree(d) with his priorities unhappy by doing so.

    As Aaron says himself, Bill Redpath is a qualified and experienced treasurer – and I would add that Bill is not a strong and vocal partisan of an internal faction. I think he’ll do fine.

  21. Libertarians for Duvalier-Mubarak 2012

    How about Hosni Mubarak and Jean Claude Duvalier for LNC At Large?

    1. They are not from Texas.
    2. They have high level execution, er, I mean, executive experience with running many (water)boards.
    3. Hosni Mubarak is worth like $70-80 billion. That’s nothing to sneeze at, folks.
    And Baby Doc still has a few mill if Bob Barr can help him get it unlocked.
    4. They know what to do with unruly, unhappy rank and file party members that get out of line.
    5. As Bob Barr and Wayne Root are demonstrating, serving on the LNC is a great stepping stone to running for President.

    If anyone can think of additional reasons why the LNC should appoint Duvalier and Mubarak to fill the two At Large positions please let me know!

  22. Michael H. Wilson

    The Texas LP has been pretty successful. Why not put a couple of the people who have contributed to that success on the LNC? Maybe they can transfer some of those skills.

  23. Thomas L. Knapp

    It appears that per the bylaws and the LNC’s policy manual delegation of broad powers to the executive committee, that Redpath’s appointment was proper even absent further ratification by the full LNC.

    But … the LP should strongly consider modifying its bylaws to reserve at least some powers from delegation to the executive committee.

    It’s dangerous for the executive committee to be empowered to permanently fill vacancies.

    As a hypothetical, assume that there are factions on the LNC, that one faction dominates the executive committee, and that an LNC member from another faction leaves the LNC between meetings. That might be an immediately effective resignation between meetings or, as in the case of David Nolan, death either between meetings or not known until between meetings. Or, as has been attempted in the past, the secretary could just assert that a member is no longer a member, and perhaps next time get away with it.

    As it stands now, the executive committee could fill that actual or alleged vacancy with a member of its own faction — and thus alter the balance of factional power of the body — without the full LNC having any voice in the matter.

  24. Gains

    Some of you seem to think that sending talent up the dip-shit pyramid is good for them and the party. Keep your successful leaders close to home where they will do more overall good is my advice.

  25. paulie Post author

    Current LNC has one At Large rep from Texas (Ruwart) and one regional alternate from Texas (McLendon). That’s it for Texas. (2)

    http://www.lp.org/leadership

    Chair Hinkle, Regional Rep Wiener and Regional Alternate Lieberman are all from California. (3)

    Vice Chair Rutherford, Region Rep Wolf and Region Alternate Goldstein are all from Indiana. (3)

    Of the people discussed so far, all of them are also from those three states. Sink-Burris is from Indiana, Judge Gray is from California, and Pat Dixon and JJM are from Texas.

    So here are how the combinations would work out:

    JJM and Dixon: 4 TX, 3 CA, 3 IN
    (JJM or Dixon) and Sink-Burris: 4 IN, 3 CA, 3 TX
    (JJM or Dixon) and Gray: 4 CA, 3 IN, 3 TX
    Sink-Burris and Gray: 4 IN, 4 CA, 2 TX

    Looking at those numbers, it seems that the concerns about Texans are overblown – and that is if even if we don’t take into account that Texas runs about a third of all the LP candidates nationwide and raises about a third as much money for their state party as the LNC raises for national.

    Why would 4 from California or 4 from Indiana be better than 4 from Texas?

    If anything, the only result out of the scenarios above that would throw off any regional balance would be to NOT have at least either Myers
    or Dixon, if not both, on the committee – and Dixon said that he would prefer Myers over himself if it has to be one or the other.

    Lastly, that doesn’t take into account other possible choices, such as Aaron Starr – Conceivably, that could be 5 CA – 3 IN – 2 TX.

  26. Michael H. Wilson

    Gee Gains was that aimed at me? 😉

    Btw Dr. Phillies notes that the membership is down. The state parties need to take a bigger role in developing the membership and not expect national to do everything. State’s that have access to voter registration list where voters are registered by party should be making a serious effort to recruit from those lists.

  27. paulie Post author

    Gains

    Some of you seem to think that sending talent up the dip-shit pyramid is good for them and the party. Keep your successful leaders close to home where they will do more overall good is my advice.

    I think it is important to have some good leadership on the LNC. They select the platform and bylaws committees and make many other decisions that shape the direction of the party. Like it or not, when most people look up the LP, they go to the national website first. Press releases from national get more coverage than local/state.

    If you build a kick-ass local group and national goes to crap, it will impact you. There were some strong local groups that fell apart when national took a nosedive after 2002.

    Gains was that aimed at me?

    Me too, I gather…

    Btw Dr. Phillies notes that the membership is down. The state parties need to take a bigger role in developing the membership and not expect national to do everything. State’s that have access to voter registration list where voters are registered by party should be making a serious effort to recruit from those lists.

    Valid point.

    BTW, from what I understand membership is doing at least about what can be expected at this point in the 4-year cycle, maybe somewhat better. But you are right about what states should do.

    TLK in his last comment is correct – that does sound like a provision that could be abused.

  28. Thomas L. Knapp

    @34,

    Just to be clear here:

    I’m not asserting that the appointment of Redpath was an abuse of the executive committee’s power (it appears to have been a very reasonable action).

    Nor am I asserting that this actual current, or any other hypothetical future, executive committee would necessarily be inclined to abuse the delegation provision.

    But, when a provision is known to exist that can be abused, and when fixing that provision is fairly easy (in immediate terms, a slight policy manual revision reserving permanent replacement power to the LNC, or perhaps requiring affirmation by the LNC of executive committee appointments; long-term, a bylaws amendment of the same impact), it’s better to fix it than to leave it and hope for the best.

  29. paulie Post author

    Exec summary for those for whom #32 is too long to read: The numbers show no danger of disproportionate representation for Texas, even if two Texans are chosen for At Large seats.

  30. paulie Post author

    Has anyone reading this discussed the At Large vacancies with LNC reps…and what kind of feedback did you get?

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