Bob Bridges: The African-American community and Libertarianism have been ships that pass in the night for too long

Press release emailed to IPR:

NEWS From BRIDGES For COLUMBUS CITY COUNCIL

Robert F. Bridges
614-285-6021
 

* * * * * MEDIA ADVISORY * * * * *

Bridges to attend Community Relations Day at Mt. Vernon AME Church

Columbus City Council candidate Robert Bridges has accepted an invitation to attend the Mt. Vernon Avenue African Methodist Episcopal Church’s annual Community Relations Day on Sunday, March 20 at 10:45 am. The church is inviting a wide spectrum of community leaders to join them for worship and fellowship.

According to the invitation, “There is one common thread that weaves and binds us together in our commitment and laboring and serving to make the community a better place to live.”

“Through this campaign, I am reaching out to every segment of the Columbus community,” Bridges said. “The African-American community and Libertarianism have been ships that pass in the night for too long. We need to hear from them and let them hear from us.”

Bridges will make himself available to members of the news media following the service for questions and comments.

Bridges is one of two Libertarian Party candidates contesting at-large seats on the Columbus City Council in this May’s primary. The other Libertarian candidate is Mark Noble, the party’s former candidate for Lieutenant Governor in 2006.

The LP is America’s third-largest political party, founded in 1971. The Libertarian Party stands for free markets, civil liberties, and peace. Read more about Robert’s campaign at

http://www.votebridges.org/default.html

63 thoughts on “Bob Bridges: The African-American community and Libertarianism have been ships that pass in the night for too long

  1. paulie Post author

    The headline of the release was “Bridges to attend Community Relations Day at Mt. Vernon AME Church,” but I thought this headline would be more interesting, and it’s a quote from the release. Hope that’s OK.

  2. Porn Again Christian

    Wasn’t there a poll that showed more blacks test in the libertarian section of the Nolan Chart than whites?

  3. John Jay Myers

    I ran for city council in a majority black district. It was a lot of fun. You would be surprised about how well they respond to the message that “government sucks”.

    They have been hornswaggled by every candidate they have elected, and they can look around and see that these politicians haven’t been on their side.

    Most have had black representatives in their districts for years, and they have seen nothing but token acts that lead to more poverty.

    When I ran I said that all the city council should do is make sure that the money they have already got bonds for is used in a way that does not benefit specific businesses.

    They are hip to the fact that politicians use their role in government to give their business friends favor.

    It was an 8 way race and I was completely ignored by the media, I finished 4th, and the Dallas Morning News apologized for not taking me more seriously, they assumed I would be last.

    I know Bob he is a great guy, he just needs to go in there and be sincere and tell it like it is. If he sticks to the “how government gets it wrong” angle I am sure the folks in the crowd will respond well.

  4. Mashed Potato with a Twist

    I think the biggest people Libertarians have had in recruiting black people is that most Libertarians are whites who live in majority white neighborhoods and have mostly white co-workers and friends, so they simply haven’t tried to recruit outside their comfort zone, and a lot of times even when they do try they don’t have enough experience to know what to say and what not to say.

  5. Wayne Root

    Hey John Jay,

    I wonder if you’d be surprised to learn that I ran as a Republican back in 1983 at the age of 21…1 week out of college…one of the youngest GOP candidates in NY state history for major office…County Legislator of Westchester County, NY.

    The GOP was grooming me for a run for Congress in a few years…so they gave me a “test” as sacrificial lamb in district that was almost 100% Democrat…about 60% minority…and the rest Jewish liberal.

    My opponent had run unopposed the last time she ran.

    Democratic strategists considered her the most unbeatable candidate in NY state.

    The GOP had no other candidate…so they thought let’s try out this 21 year old kid.

    Instead I gave 180% effort 24 hours a day for 4 months…and became the only Republican to EVER walk door to door in black housing projects.

    The residents were actually afraid for my life. Black women asked if I had bodyguards with me…and when I said I didn’t…they walked with me to make sure no one tried to hurt me. Good people.

    Black voters said they’d never seen anything like it in their lives…a white Republican going door to door, floor to floor in 20 story buildings with graffiti on walls and urine on the floor…and gangs and drug addicts in the hallways.

    They were actually touched. Dozens of residents told me I’d be the first Republican they ever voted for in their lives.

    Then I arranged for dozens of high school and college kids that I recruited to “poll watch” and get out the vote in districts all over the area. No Republican had ever even thought of giving this kind of effort in a black district before.

    But anything I do, I give 180%.

    I got the highest vote totals of any Republican EVER in those black housing projects. My bet is my record still stands today–28 years later.

    I had that female Democrat unbeatable incumbent on the run. I heard she was scared for first time in her career. She put enormous money into the race in the closing days.

    I wound up with highest percentage of vote against her I believe before or since in her 30+ year career.

    GOP was amazed.

    P.S. She never walked those black housing projects.

  6. Kevin Knedler

    Again, Mr. Bridges is the Ohio LP “work horse”.
    Keep an eye on him– all good.
    KJK

  7. paulie Post author

    Wayne,

    Thank you for the story…that is exactly what Libertarians need to be doing as well.

    I’ve lived in buildings like that and the fear is exaggerated, that a lot of people who have never been in that environment have.

    What a lot of people don’t realize is that a lot of the crime statistics are “criminal on criminal violence.”

    Libertarians should let go of fear and anxiety on many levels and “just do it.”

  8. paulie Post author

    Everyone in the thread so far basically has it correct. We need more people that do things, especially face to face contact with all kinds of people.

  9. TinFoilCap & JockeyShorts to Match

    You weren’t smart enough to be afraid at 21 WAR. You could gain more pub now for a similar effort. Would you do it now at close to 50 and a wife and kids to support?

    Ballot Access Rules: http://www.newamericanindependent.com/BallotAccess.html

    Like gathering sigs for ballot access in the projects explaining how the Rs and Ds have stacked the deck against any opposition!

    “One party has totally dominated American politics for at least a century: the Socialist War Party. No matter who wins the elections, America gets endless socialism and endless war.” Doug Newman.

    Explaining the left-right paradigm to a co worker!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kw7j4lbDB4

    “I got things under control, that’s why people call me an extremist. I’m autonomous. I understand that I declare my independence every day.” Ted Nugent

  10. paulie Post author

    Like gathering sigs for ballot access in the projects explaining how the Rs and Ds have stacked the deck against any opposition!

    Love it.

    “One party has totally dominated American politics for at least a century: the Socialist War Party. No matter who wins the elections, America gets endless socialism and endless war.”

    I don’t think socialism is the correct word for it. It’s more like corporatism – the merger of big government and big business joined at the hip.

  11. Wayne Root

    @9

    You obviously don’t know my background. I attended an 85% black high school…one of the roughest in America. The principle patrolled the halls with a baseball bat. After I left, they installed metal detectors.

    I fought for my life on a daily basis for many months…I had to prove myself…eventually I won so many fights…no one ever touched me again. I became best friends with many of my attackers, bullies and tormentors.

    I was elected Vice President of my class. 800+ in the class.

    The key to bullying is becoming strobg and fighting back. It’s the only way to end the bullying. Prove you are tougher and stronger than you’re tormenters.

    After you win the fight…they will respect you and never again test you.

    The same holds true in politics.

    The LP has been bullied for 40 years. It’s time to fight back and knock the bullies on their butts. Earn their respect.

    Win a race…one major race…and everything changes forever more.

    Juyst as I won one major fight…I’ll never forget it…a kid twice my size…twice my weight…many inches taller…football stud…and I knocked him out.

    My life was never the same. I was treated like a hero that day…and from that day forward I protected the weakest kids in my school. I taught them to fight back.

    Same lesson applies to the LP.

  12. paulie Post author

    Wayne @ 11 Right again…it’s good to talk to Libertarians that have seen that side of life – I don’t meet enough of those.

    I’ve lived in slums, ghettoes and what they call “hot spots” a good chunk of my life and you are 100% correct.

  13. TinFoilCap & JockeyShorts to Match

    @12 and 12

    I must agree with you guys. My experience in school was the same. Stand up and fight the bully and you never had too worry again! My bully pulled a knife, I talked him into putting it up. He did, I whipped his #@@!

    I also love the optimism WAR, I wish it would catch on and spread throughtout the party !! Forty years of defeat is kindly like the saying “fatigue makes cowards of us all”. Something needs to breathe FIRE into the LP! Again good stuff –>

    “The LP has been bullied for 40 years. It’s time to fight back and knock the bullies on their butts. Earn their respect.

    Win a race…one major race…and everything changes forever more.”

  14. John Jay Myers

    Good story Wayne, while walking South Dallas I ended up with quite a few good stories.

    The one that I would use while campaigning was that I had walked up on an apartment complex with a group of people all outside having a bbq, at least I originally thought that, but it wasn’t.

    They had no electricity, and they had no water, so no way to cook. (this is in the heart of Dallas) so they were cooking on a fire in front of their apartments. This is after 20+ years of “local” representation, so I sat down and told them I was running for City Council, of course they laughed in my face, one lady in particular. I asked that they “just give me a minute”, and I told them about the hotel the Mayor was planning to build and how they needed their votes so they could get richer etc.

    We talked about how they ended up there, and that all the housing and development was just a scam to get contractors work while they suffered. By the time I was done, the lady turned to me and said “God bless you, you have my vote”

    I spoke 3 times at the South Dallas Mega churches, even took on the dreaded Dwayne Caraway (who is now the Mayor of Dallas) who claimed that I was the white man trying to bring them down. Which enraged me, and as you know… I have quite a mouth on me.

    After that event I had so many people thanking me for sticking it to Dwayne.

    In these neighborhoods you just show people government doesn’t work by pointing to the world around them…. it’s hard to deny.

    Then you tell them how freedom is the answer, that message seems to go over pretty good.

  15. Wayne Root

    I agree with you on far more than you think John Jay.

    It’s just our style that is different…and the wording and stories we choose to stress.

    But the intent is the same.

    And I greatly respect your energy.

  16. Wayne Root

    By the way…

    The most important thing to say here is…

    Good job Bob Bridges.

    Kudos to you.

    You have the spirit of a warrior.

    Go to that church and be proud, strong, and take it to them!

    God Bless Bob,
    Wayne

  17. paulie Post author

    Great stories guys…. here’s another good one…

    http://nallforgovernor.blogspot.com/2006/05/tuskegee-sheriff-candidates-nall-right.html

    Tuskegee Sheriff Candidates “Nall Right on Drug Policy”

    Highly recommended reading.

    And here’s one from me…not quite as good…but hey, why not.

    Back in 2000 a well known petitioner for the LP who happens to be black took me with him to the hood in Oklahoma City, 23rd street which was the “strip” where young people hung out.

    Some of the businesses did not want them there, but others did. However the police were clearing people out on a regular basis even in front of businesses that wanted them there.

    When I arrived it was earlier in the evening and that had not yet started.

    The guy I was with pretty much challenged me and said “you aren’t getting any signatures out here, I’d like to see you try.”

    I said OK and we got out in front of a car wash/music store/clothes boutique that featured a lot of hip hop gear, where there was a group of young people hanging out.

    The guy I was with (initials DB, I’m not using his whole name because I don’t know if he wants this posted) started asking people to sign if they liked weed and thought it should be legal. Naturally this did not work very well, because they did not know him and thought he may have been police, and some people made comments like “I sell weed, I don’t want it to be legal” or “let me see you smoke a joint right now” which was funny because he doesn’t smoke at all.

    So I just popped up with “sign if you are sick of being harassed by the police” and I could not give my clipboards out fast enough…in fact I didn’t even have to give them out because they were getting passed around.

    We came back later and we had another white petitioner with us, the cops were rolling everybody off the street and we were actually customers at a fast food restaurant just to see if they would order us to leave, which they did. He said “you can’t do this, this is America” to which the cop replied “this is not America, this is 23rd Street.”

    So..yeah…what John and Wayne both said.

  18. paulie Post author

    The most important thing to say here is…

    Good job Bob Bridges.

    Kudos to you.

    You have the spirit of a warrior.

    Go to that church and be proud, strong, and take it to them!

    +1

  19. Matt Cholko

    I think we are all missing he forest for the trees here. The fact of the matter is, the average Libertarian gathering is 98% white. The demographics of the USA are what, 65% white? It will be 45% white within 30 years or so. So, if we remain a 95% white organization, we are guaranteed to lose every election forever.

    Further, and probably more important, minorities are generally the ones most screwed over by government “help”.

  20. paulie Post author

    Matt,

    I don’t think we’re missing that at all here. Actually, for a change, it seems most of the people in the discussion here so far get it, and understand how to change it. So different from the usual LP discussion, which is mostly self-fulfilling lamentation of what we don’t have, when all we really have to do is go out and get. It’s like we are in a barrel, we need to catch fish, and we are moaning about how we haven’t caught hardly any.

    Simple answer. Reach out and start grabbing. If you are awkward at first keep doing it, and you’ll get better. Ain’t nothin’ to it but to do it.

    And I’m feeling more optimistic because more people are “getting it”, feeling it, whatever the term is you want to use, at least judging from this discussion so far.

  21. Kevin Knedler

    @ # 10 Paulie.
    You just described Facism.
    We are morphing into a “softer” form of that in the USA. Big corporations and Big Government in control of everything. Nowhere is there room for the middle class or small business operators.

  22. Kevin Knedler

    @ # 23 Matt.
    The GOP is the party in trouble, based on what you said. The demographics are indeed changing and the younger generation wants more social tolerance. It is the small government part that is up in the air. Either way, the GOP “has issues” with their positions on personal lifestyle choices, and Big Government. Will Gen Y and younger buy into their “moral codes”?

  23. Robert Capozzi

    It’s a good question why Ls seem to be so overwhelmingly white in an increasingly “browning” nation. I have an impossible to prove or disprove hypothesis about this:

    L-ism is highly intellectual. It tends to miss the fact that humans operate from both the heart and the head. The LM is all about the head only.

    Feelings are legitimate; we all have them. We should not be afraid to show them in our behavior if not our words. Ls do, too, but it often comes across as angry. Compassion, however, is the more attractive emotion.

    Ls tend to do outreach to minorities by talking about the injustice of drug laws, and to get angry about them. This seems condescending to me. In essence, we Ls might say “you people are in jail because of drug laws at much higher rates than us.” OR: “You people die in foreign wars at a higher rate than white people.” OR: “You people are being screwed by SS, since you people die younger and get lower returns.”

    It’s not quite THAT ham-handed, but you get the idea. There is an emotional distance in how we approach non-whites. That’s not winning, IMO.

  24. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 28:

    “you people”

    Identity politics sucks, but that doesn’t mean it’s not rooted in real perceptions.

    If you’re different from your audience in terms of ethnicity, etc., it’s often hard not to be heard as saying “you people” even if that’s not what you’re saying at all.

    Better to do your best and fail than to not attempt it, though. It sounds like Bridges, Myers and Root all did/are doing their best, and had/have some success.

  25. Robert Capozzi

    tk, I didn’t mean to criticize the efforts these 3 have made. The effort is highly worthwhile, IMO.

    Nor do I think Ls should play the identity politics game. I think we should TRANSCEND it. That does require empathy and compassion, not perceived-victimhood manipulation and condescension.

    This requires a shift in attitude and rhetoric. It’s difficult if not impossible to make the case that government is “evil” if government actions have righted wrongs, even if the wrongs were in part caused by government. This might mean, for ex., supporting most of the intent behind the CRA, even if not in the specifics, as an example.

  26. LibertarianGirl

    Nevada Libertarians walked an almost entirely minority – Black and Latino- district with the James Dan campaign a decade ago. It was a poor , high crime area and never once did we run into any problems except a language barrier.

  27. paulie Post author

    Kevin,

    @ # 10 Paulie.
    You just described Facism.
    We are morphing into a “softer” form of that in the USA. Big corporations and Big Government in control of everything. Nowhere is there room for the middle class or small business operators.

    Exactly.

    The “F word” scares people.

    But, Naomi Wolf and many others have noted the similarities.

  28. paulie Post author

    Matt,

    Maybe its the Jim Beam talking…..

    In my case last night, just red wine and some coffee and Bailey’s, no hard stuff.

  29. paulie Post author

    Kevin,

    The GOP is the party in trouble, based on what you said.

    Their demagoguing on immigration is certainly not going to help them with that.

  30. paulie Post author

    Robert

    L-ism is highly intellectual. It tends to miss the fact that humans operate from both the heart and the head. The LM is all about the head only.

    Feelings are legitimate; we all have them. We should not be afraid to show them in our behavior if not our words. Ls do, too, but it often comes across as angry. Compassion, however, is the more attractive emotion.

    I’m a bleeding heart libertarian.

    Ls tend to do outreach to minorities by talking about the injustice of drug laws, and to get angry about them. This seems condescending to me. In essence, we Ls might say “you people are in jail because of drug laws at much higher rates than us.” OR: “You people die in foreign wars at a higher rate than white people.” OR: “You people are being screwed by SS, since you people die younger and get lower returns.”

    It helps when you know people personally that have been screwed over by prohibitionism, occupational licensing barriers, eminent robbery, and so on…or if you have been yourself. It may be emotionally distant and awkward at first, but people will tell you their stories, and as you come to know them you can tell them to others people – and chances are high that they will relate.

    There is an emotional distance in how we approach non-whites. That’s not winning, IMO.

    Winning is overcoming that emotional distance by going out and talking to a lot of people one on one. After you’ve done it for a while it becomes a lot more natural.

  31. Major Parties Evolve

    @ 27: “The GOP is the party in trouble, based on what you said. The demographics are indeed changing and the younger generation wants more social tolerance.”

    The GOP is not in trouble. It can and will change with the times, as have the Dems.

    Dems were seen as coddling criminals, and “weak” on war in the 1970s. Now many Dem politicians support the death penalty and are pro-war.

    It seems to me that maybe half of local conservative talk radio hosts now say “I don’t care if gays marry.”

    The GOP is moving toward pro-gay marriage along with the nation.

    In the 1980s, both Dems and Repubs opposed civil unions. Today, even conservative Repub politicians support civil unions.

    This is why no third party will ever achieve majority status. The majors evolve with the majority population. If most young people today support gay marriage, so will most Dem and Repub politicians in the future.

  32. Ted Brown

    Libertarians should not be scared of campaigning in rough neighborhoods, but of course should be vigilant about danger like any other person. I go to neighborhoods like that all the time for my job as an insurance claims adjuster, and have never had anyone bother me or threaten me.

    As for campaigning, some of our California candidates reported some problems in the past. We have registered Libertarians in every area, including the slums, and candidates have had to go there and collect signatures. One candidate (Scandinavian-looking) who went to the Oakwood Garden area of Venice was told to clear out by some hoodlums. Another saw someone shot at the house next to the one he was visiting. And someone attacked a candidate’s (really cute) girlfriend when she was helping him campaign in Hollywood.

    Even so, we need votes in these areas, and it is true that the downtrodden of every race really need Libertarian solutions. In 2000 Jacob Hornberger campaigned for the LP presidential nomination on the promise to campaign at places like trailer parks and NASCAR races.

    It’s true we talk to the same people all the time, and I am as guilty of it as others. Let’s try to recruit members and voters in every community.

  33. paulie Post author

    it is true that the downtrodden of every race really need Libertarian solutions. In 2000 Jacob Hornberger campaigned for the LP presidential nomination on the promise to campaign at places like trailer parks and NASCAR races.

    Good point.

  34. Michael H. Wilson

    Some weeks ago paulie posted a piece I had written on midwifery. Basically I have been suggesting that we need to demand that regulations that restrict midwives be repealed. It is worth noting that midwives have better outcomes than M.D.s do and at lower costs. Midwives can also help reduce the incidence of infant mortality and black have an infant mortality rate that is 2.5 time greater than whites.

    This is an issue that LP candidates need to hammer on and I’ll help put together more later but it has been a long trip over the last few days. Enjoy and lets keep up the work.

  35. Michael H. Wilson

    I don’t know if this thread is still active, but I suggest that we argue for opening the urban transit market to private providers, or consider contracting out services as a number of cities worldwide have done including a few here in the U.S. such as Denver which was able to reduce costs. Some of the cities such as Stockholm and others in Northern Europe have cut costs and expanded services.

    “On average, Americans spend 19 cents out of every dollar earned on transportation—an expense second only to housing. Transportation costs range from 17.1 percent in the Northeast to 20.8 percent in the South, and eat up more than 40 percent of the takehome pay of the nation’s poorest. This is an especially significant statistic for African American households, which typically earn 35 percent less than the average white household.[4]”

    http://www.urbanhabitat.org/node/306

  36. Robert Capozzi

    “In 2000 Jacob Hornberger campaigned for the LP presidential nomination on the promise to campaign at places like trailer parks and NASCAR races.”

    POI, do L prez candidates typically do this sort of politicking? It seems like it’s WAY too big a country to go around to these sorts of venues. I agree that our candidate’s messaging should reach out to the “downtrodden,” but it seems inefficient to walk around the trailer park knocking on doors.

    Neither of these venues seem like minority outreach…sounds to me more like the angry white man set.

  37. paulie Post author

    Some weeks ago paulie posted a piece I had written on midwifery. Basically I have been suggesting that we need to demand that regulations that restrict midwives be repealed. It is worth noting that midwives have better outcomes than M.D.s do and at lower costs. Midwives can also help reduce the incidence of infant mortality and black have an infant mortality rate that is 2.5 time greater than whites.

    This is an issue that LP candidates need to hammer on

    Good suggestion, along with the urban transportation idea, but somehow I have a feeling that if your suggestion from another thread of “top ten issues for all LP candidates campaign on” were implemented, those would not make the cut.

  38. paulie Post author

    “In 2000 Jacob Hornberger campaigned for the LP presidential nomination on the promise to campaign at places like trailer parks and NASCAR races.”

    POI, do L prez candidates typically do this sort of politicking?

    Not as far as I know.

    It seems like it’s WAY too big a country to go around to these sorts of venues. I agree that our candidate’s messaging should reach out to the “downtrodden,” but it seems inefficient to walk around the trailer park knocking on doors.

    Meeting regular people one on one can be very effective. It helps ground the candidate in political realities and real people’s concerns, and see in real time what works and what doesn’t as far as message is concerned. Hearing people’s stories helps to improve the stump speeches, articles and media appearances. And, BTW, it can lead to news coverage. That has been known to happen as well.

    Neither of these venues seem like minority outreach…sounds to me more like the angry white man set.

    Trailer parks, at least down here in Alabama, have lots of so called minorities. Some are “majority minority” and some are diverse.

    NASCAR events, not so much, but blue collar “white” people are another demographic that the LP does not connect with enough either. There’s more than one of those.

    We should be reaching out in many directions at the same time.

  39. Michael H. Wilson

    Paulie writes; “Good suggestion, along with the urban transportation idea, but somehow I have a feeling that if your suggestion from another thread of “top ten issues for all LP candidates campaign on” were implemented, those would not make the cut.”

    Yea, I know. I’m just throwing pasta at the wall and hoping something sticks.

  40. FKC

    The biggest problem with Libertarians is not so much that they *are* white as that they *act* white.

    Get some rhythm, funk, soul and groove in your walk and talk.

  41. Paul Burnley

    The biggest problem with Libertarians is that they are not proud of being White.

    One of the saddest things in the world to see, after a White woman with a nonwhite baby, is a wigger.

    And one of the funniest things to see, when you are in jail – say for aggravated assault compounded with a hate crime designation – is a wigger thrown in the shark tank with the real thing.

    It usually takes them all of about 5 minutes to either grow some White pride, or turn into a lipstick-wearing flamer punk bitch getting passed around by gorilla bucks like a 150 pound bucket of fried chicken.

  42. Sludge puppy

    It usually takes them all of about 5 minutes to … turn into a lipstick-wearing flamer punk bitch getting passed around by gorilla bucks like a 150 pound bucket of fried chicken.

    Sound like you know the drill.

  43. slump puppy

    One of the saddest things in the world to see, after a White woman with a nonwhite baby

    Your little sister has a mixed baby?

  44. paulie Post author

    @53 Me too…Jewish, Russian, Mongol/Siberian native, Ukrainian, German, French, and a bunch of I don’t even know. My sister’s husband is black, and if I’m not infertile then I have biological children and grandchildren of all so-called races.

  45. Robert Bridges

    #47 WTF… seriously? What does being proud of being white have to do with spreading the message of freedom? It is this kind of small minded thought that has kept the LP from having any kind of success.

    The solution for you is simple. If you don’t like biracial relationships, then don’t enter into one. Your opinion stops at the end of your nose. If your mother sleeps with someone else not of her race then she can,and there isn’t a Damn thing you can do about it. Why? It’s not your life.

  46. Zane, LP member

    @47 is almost certainly not the real Paul Burnley.

    Burnley was the nazi gang name used by British singer Paul Bellany of No Remorse.

    He has since then renounced racism and fascism, and now works in production on mainstream movies like Harry Potter.

    I don’t know what his politics are now, but as Paul Burnley he was definitely far from libertarian.

  47. Robert Capozzi

    p50: I think most haters really hate something about themselves.

    me: Pronouncedly so.

  48. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 42,

    “Neither of these venues [trailer parks/NASCAR races] seem like minority outreach…sounds to me more like the angry white man set.”

    Paulie @ 42,

    “Trailer parks, at least down here in Alabama, have lots of so called minorities. Some are ‘majority minority’ and some are diverse.

    NASCAR events, not so much”

    Think again. Here’s a cut and paste from one of my rare defenses of Bob Barr’s presidential campaign (when the wisdom of campaigning at a NASCAR event was called into question):

    ——
    About 1 in 3 American adults — 75 million of them — are NASCAR fans as defined by television viewing and the purchase of tickets and/or branded merchandise.

    – The gender balance of NASCAR fandom is beautiful as sports go — about 60% male / 40% female.

    – 58% of NASCAR fans fall into the 18-44 age demographic which any new political party should be targeting (if for no other reason than that they’re the ones who are beginning to understand that the Social Security check isn’t going to be there when it’s THEIR turn to check the mailbox).

    – 42% of NASCAR fans earn more than $50k a year.

    – NASCAR fans are about three times as likely as others to buy goods and services from NASCAR sponsors, and 94% more likely than others to have positive feelings about NASCAR sponsors (possibly including POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS).

    [O]ther stats:

    – 24.5% of NASCAR fans are African-American.

    – 88% of NASCAR fans are high school graduates, 38% are college-educated.

    – The biggest occupational democraphic in NASCAR fandom is professional/managerial (27%)

    – 72% of NASCAR fans are homeowners
    —–

  49. Robert Capozzi

    tk, thanks. The 24.5% is huge, more than double the general pop.

    I’m not surprised that “trailer park” and “NASCAR” sets don’t seem to overlap much. I do wonder where the NASCAR set DOES overlap? My guess might be Flyover America (ie south and midwest) is a strong correlation. Middle “class” flyover still could be angry…odds are high, in fact. I wonder too whether there’s a political tilt for NASCAR enthusiasts, my guess is strongly R. I also wonder whether these NASCARians are open to a non-interventionist f.p., or are they hawkish as a group?

    Regardless, my bigger question is do LP candidates have the ability to target according to psycho- and demo-graphic profiles, esp. by events. My guess is no, that the ‘net is probably our best tool, and it tends to be universal. Experiments in ‘net targeting I support.

    But, then, I’m a Yankee stuck inside the Beltway, so my own biases are likely showing in how I frame this.

  50. paulie Post author

    TLK,

    Maybe I was just getting drunk in the wrong part of the Talladega parking lot back in the early 90s. Thanks for the stats.

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