Wayne Root: ‘A Teachable Moment: How Obama Would Solve the NFL Labor Crisis’

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By Wayne Allyn Root, Former Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee and Best-Selling Author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian”

Some are now suggesting that President Obama get involved in the NFL strike talks. I was his college classmate at Columbia University and have studied his political career for years.  My record of predicting where Obama will come down on the side of an issue and what lie he will tell to rationalize his decision is near perfect.  Just call me “The Obama Whisperer.”
 
Here’s a quick lesson in how he thinks:
 
First, Obama is a Socialist who believes in the redistribution of wealth. He hates those who have worked hard and earned money — unless they give him massive campaign contributions.
 
Second, he’s a union hack, who will do anything for unions, even break the law and violate the Constitution — at least for those unions that give him massive campaign contributions. Don’t believe me? Ask the shareholders and banks that loaned billions to GM and Chrysler, only to see their ownership and legal contracts erased by Obama in order to hand ownership to the unions that destroyed the automakers in the first place.
 
Third, like a true Socialist, Obama believes government has the solution to every problem, and that solution is more government and higher taxes, combined with a prescription of social justice and affirmative action.
 
Based on his lifetime body of work, here is how I predict Obama will settle the NFL labor crisis:
 
Like ”Cap and Trade,” Obama will produce scientists to declare that football is a dangerous sport threatening the health and welfare of the players. He’ll then pass “Helmet and Trade” legislation putting government in control of football — setting salaries for players, prices for fans, and giving new powers to the NFL players union.
 
Never letting a serious crisis go to waste, Obama will then pass legislation called “NFLCare” that demands that the NFL pay for the lifetime pension and healthcare of the players, paid for with massive new taxes on the NFL and its fans. The doctors who treat the NFL players will have caps placed on their fees. Of course this will lead to shortages of doctors and rationing, so eventually NFL Limb Panels will be set up to decide who gets a new knee, or shoulder, or hip. These decisions will be based on years of player life expectancy remaining, or the size of contributions to the Obama campaign.
 
He’ll then decide what income is “fair” and what is “greedy,” placing wage controls on players. Obama will say, “There is no longer a need for million dollar salaries. After all, just like government union employees, I’m going to guarantee NFL players — even the failed ones — pensions of $100K per year for life and free healthcare. We’ll call it ’NFL Tenure.’ It’s like a government job — a guaranteed job for life, without any performance necessary.”
 
Like American businesses, players will react to lower wages and higher taxes by leaving the USA to play football in Canada and Europe, destroying the NFL. Obama, of course, will blame the “greedy NFL owners” for sending American jobs offshore and pass a huge tariff on each player leaving the USA.
 
Then, Obama will state proudly, “We’ve got to spread the wealth around” and pass ”NFL Financial Reform,” requiring ninety-five percent of revenues be redistributed to employees, vendors, peanut salesmen, ticket takers, security, and parking lot attendants. A peanut vendor will be seen crying and telling a reporter, “I’ll never have to worry about paying rent or putting gas in my car ever again.”
 
But, Obama is just getting started.  Fifty percent ownership of NFL teams will be turned over to the Players Union, just as in the case of GM and Chrysler. Obama will state, “The working man needs a stake in his own future.”  This legislation will also demand teams have a minority owner in their ownership group and 50% of all NFL contracts be awarded to minority owned businesses. Not losing the opportunity for a teachable moment, Obama will say, “The NFL must reflect the diversity of America. It is time for the ownership, players, and contractors to reflect social justice. To get this party started correctly, I have fired Commissioner Goodall and appointed Reverend Al Sharpton as Commissioner of the NFL.”
 
Next he’ll pass rules limiting work hours for players and declare off-season workouts as “overtime.” The White House will set up a Toll Free (800) number for players to call the Bar Association, one of Obama’s leading contributors, who will provide lawyers free of charge to sue NFL teams within hours of a reported violation.
 
Finally, various new taxes will be imposed including “draft taxes,” “trade taxes,” and a “championship tax” (doubling taxes on Playoff teams; tripling on the Super Bowl winner). He’ll impose VAT taxes on everything bought at the games and a “wealthy fan confiscation tax” for prime, sideline seats. Skyboxes, of course, will be seized for the use of government officials, bureaucrats, politicians, and Obama campaign contributors.
 
At this point NFL owners will plead insolvency and threaten bankruptcy. Obama will ask “So, what’s in it for me?”  Understanding EXACTLY what he means the owners will make massive campaign contributions to Obama and receive billion dollar bailouts from the U.S. Treasury as part of his next “stimulus” package.
 
Problem solved. NFL Strike/lockout averted. Obama has done it again. How did business survive before Obama?
 

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee. He now serves as Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee. He is the best-selling author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts.” His web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

83 thoughts on “Wayne Root: ‘A Teachable Moment: How Obama Would Solve the NFL Labor Crisis’

  1. Steven Wilson

    Since IPR is for sale, just let root buy it and add it to his website.

    Oh wait, this is his website already. Because if there were some kind of equality of voice, the other LNC members would be asked to offer their input. The King of vegas said bend and IPR went over, baby.

    Obama is my president too. I am respectful of it because I respect the voice of the people. I do not agree with him and that again is my choice. But to have the LOSER of the chair race continue to get more time than the WINNER tells me a great deal about the IPR staff.

    I don’t care where Obama was born. I don’t care if Wayne saw him in the lunch line at Columbia. I don’t care that he believes in socialism. He believed that in Chicago when he was a school reformer.I do care that every single time wayne opens his mouth, media outlets like the IPR exhibit his work as if he speaks for all man kind.

    IPR is now the victim of the Vegas grifter again. With all the college education on the LNC, the amount of stupidity and void of logic is why the C4L always looks better.

    Leave your video cameras and brains at home, just come on down to Vegas baby, the front row is waitin’ for ya. RINGADING.

  2. David Colborne

    Though I’m not a Root-hater by any stretch of the imagination, let’s be honest – this is one of the sillier Root articles in a long, long time. I get the rhetorical device that Wayne’s using; he’s trying to highlight how deeply in bed Obama is with organized labor and how, if the government (meaning Obama) got involved with the NFL contract dispute (unnecessary – both sides already make Third World GDPs worth of money as long as games are played and media contracts are honored; they just need to decide how much of the pie they wish to distribute to each other and under what terms), the results would be… well, I guess “apocryphal” would be as good of a term as any.

    To be fair, given the amount of content he pushes out on a regular basis, it’s a small miracle that he doesn’t whiff this hard more often. Seriously, cranking out timely, intelligent comment on politics almost daily without repeating yourself and without veering off the reservation once in a while is nearly impossible.

  3. Wayne Root

    Wow, I know the LP’s problem has been that our members are Different than mainstream voters…in other words Libertarians don’t like…or understand what mainstream voters like. The key to winning elections and hearts and minds is having a gut instinct for what voters want to see, hear and read.

    The LP finally has a leader who understands. Please celebrate this…instead of denigrating.

    My commentary on Obama and the NFL…is one of the most succcessful I’ve writemn. It is all over the Internet. It was the featured blog at Newsmax (I believe still is) to over 6 million readers. It was “featured blog” at Tucker Carlston’s site DailyCaller. It is featutred story at Gambling911. It attracted 10 media interviews so far…including the nationally syndicated “Big Biz Show”today…and the nationally syndicated “The G. Gordon Liddy Show” tomorrow (Tuesday)…and former LP Presidential candidate Gary Nolan’s top-rated radio show in Syracuse, NY. Gary loved the commentary and called me to be a guest within minutes of reading it.

    Libertarians have got to stop being so tone deaf. This is EXACTLY the kind of popular commentary we need to attract attention and attract mainstream voters. Especially male NFL fans who vote Republican, identify with fiscal conservative causes, dislike unions, and support Tea Parties. That’s our core constituent to “take away”…why? Because they believe in smaller government.

    This commentary was written by me on purpose…as a lesson for Libertarians. This is an example of how to write to attract mainstream media and mainstream voters.

    On every talk show today (I did 4 of them) host called this hilarious, entertaining, clever, and…so truthful and telling that it should set off a lightbulb among average people who don’t understand the connection between Obama’s policies and the declining economy.

    My critics can keep writing intellectual columns that are boring, that no one is willing to read past the first sentence, and that are never published in any popular political sites. And that will never attract one media interview outside of blog talk radio with 9 listeners.

    The point of politics is to have popular appeal. If you bore people…or don’t excite them, or can’t create a popular message…

    Become a librarian.

  4. paulie

    Since IPR is for sale, just let root buy it and add it to his website.

    If he thought it was worth what the owner wants, I suspect he would have already.

    Oh wait, this is his website already.

    How so? The vast majority of our articles are not by or about Wayne. Many are by people that don’t like him.

    Because if there were some kind of equality of voice, the other LNC members would be asked to offer their input.

    All of them are free to send us articles, and when they do, we usually post them, at least when I have time. Wayne doesn’t have to be asked, so that helps. Don’t expect media outlets – whether “real” media or blogs – to come to you; you have to go to them.

    That being said, we have asked some people for input (some repeatedly), and haven’t received nearly as much. That’s not Wayne’s fault.

    But to have the LOSER of the chair race continue to get more time than the WINNER tells me a great deal about the IPR staff.

    What exactly does it tell you? I endorsed the winning candidate, Mark Hinkle, for chair and voted for him as a delegate. I post everything he and Wes post on LP.org whenever I have time, and I would love to see them post more. My second choice was John Jay Myers and I promote everything of his I can. The only reason he was not my first choice was that I want to see him serve on the LNC before he runs for chair.

    The only thing it should tell you about IPR staff is that we work with what we get.

    And as for who IPR staff is, there are a lot of people I signed up that rarely post (if ever), and others who have turned me down when asked to write here. I can’t help who agrees to write here and how much.

    I post the largest amount of articles here. My votes at the 2008 convention were for Kubby for President until he was out, then Mary Ruwart in every subsequent round, and Kubby in every round for VP. For chair in 2010, I voted for Hinkle every time. LNC At Large members I voted for included Ruwart and Nolan in 2010, and Wrights and Keaton back in 2008 (the last one is the only vote I wouldn’t cast again, and only for personal reasons, due to the way our former friendship ended). I voted for other radical candidates as well, and I’m active in the radical and grassroots caucuses.

    Susan Hogarth and Marc Montoni of the Radical Caucus are signed up to write here, both because I asked. Susan has not posted in a really long time and Marc has not posted at all. Again, not my choice, all I can do is ask.

    Tom Knapp is a co-founder of IPR, along with Jason Seagraves. They worked on the Kubby and Ruwart campaigns. It was their choice to stop writing articles here, not anyone else’s.

    So maybe your take on this has more to do with you than it does with IPR. Just maybe.

    I don’t care where Obama was born. I don’t care if Wayne saw him in the lunch line at Columbia.

    I don’t either.

    I do care that every single time wayne opens his mouth, media outlets like the IPR exhibit his work as if he speaks for all man kind.

    Same thing we do for others – I wish they would open their mouth more often.

  5. Tom Blanton

    Wayne Root writes:

    Wow, I know the LP’s problem has been that our members are Different than mainstream voters…in other words Libertarians don’t like…or understand what mainstream voters like. The key to winning elections and hearts and minds is having a gut instinct for what voters want to see, hear and read.

    The LP finally has a leader who understands. Please celebrate this…instead of denigrating.

    Hmmm, could it be that Mr. Root doesn’t know the definition of the word “leader” or is he just merely writing what he supposes people want to hear?

    First, he claims the key to winning is having a gut instinct for what voters want to hear. Apparently, Root thinks he has this gut instinct. I would disagree. He has a gut instinct for what knee-jerk right-wingers want to hear – simply because he is one at heart.

    Now, when you equate leadership with telling people what it is you think they want to hear, you miss the mark. When you tell someone whatever it is you believe they want to hear, you are being led by that person. Leadership involves having others follow you, Wayne.

    Shameless and opportunistic politicians often observe which way the crowd is moving and then attempt to get in front of the crowd and pretend they are leading it. The truly self-obsessed person may even convince themselves they are leading, but the reality is they are following the crowd.

    Let me be perfectly honest with you, Wayne. The reason many libertarians don’t like you is because you are selling conservatism repackaged as “Reagan libertarianism” and many of us aren’t buying it.

    I voted against Reagan, didn’t like him, chose to vote LP. Why? Because even though I had only been exposed to libertarian ideas for about 2 years at the time, I knew Reagan and the rest of the GOP had nothing to do with libertarianism – despite some of the rhetoric.

    Real libertarians want to see society move in a real libertarian direction. That does require leadership. Simply telling people what they already believe is not leadership.

    My complaint with most libertarian politicians is they tend to fall back on conservative rhetoric because that is where they find a positive response. However, despite positive responses, they aren’t raising cash, they aren’t getting votes, and they aren’t exposing people to libertarian ideas.

    It isn’t jealousy that motivates most of your libertarian critics, Wayne. It is your boorish boasting. Claims of being a great libertarian thinker and a fantastic leader might play well with the right-wing rednecks riding around in their turnip trucks out in radio land, but there aren’t that many of those clowns in the real world, Wayne.

    Maybe you ought to criticize the NFL for its socialism. Taxpayer funded stadiums come to mind. Taxpayer funded colleges to train the players come to mind. The use of public airwaves to broadcast their lucrative entertainment comes to mind. The anti-trust exemption granted by government comes to mind. In fact, the minute the NFL decided to have a union, it formed an alliance of sorts with government to enforce its agenda.

    Even a half-assed libertarian conservative ought to have seen those angles. Of course, it would require leadership to advance those ideas rather than spew off some crap that every right-wing jerk hears on the radio 10 times a day already.

    A bunch of socialists just like Obama. Just like every damn politician in Washington. Just like JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush Junior.

  6. Brian

    I’ve asked it before, and I’ll ask it again. How can you honestly claim that Obama is a union hack? He is not, in any way, shape, or form, a friend of the worker or the union member. He has been “hands-off” on the WI issue and punted on cardcheck! He also renewed the Bush tax cuts for the rich. He orchestrated an IPO for GM! Mr. Root, socialists don’t extend tax cuts for the rich, and they definitely don’t re-privatize. If he is a socialist, then he’s the worst socialist in history.

  7. LibertarianGirl

    “Oh wait, this is his website already.”

    me_ roflmao!!!!!! how is it that Waynes articles , love em or hate em , get BY FAR the most comments here…?

  8. Michael H. Wilson

    @ 4 Wayne writes; “The LP finally has a leader who understands. Please celebrate this…instead of denigrating.”

    Wayne I do not need a leader. If I did I’d join the Democratic party or the Republican Party.

    In the LP I have met and worked with a couple of brilliant economists who knew their stuff.

    In my private non political life I have also worked side by side with some people who dedicated themselves to the idea of customer service whose companies beat the pants off the competition. I’ve also seen much of the up side as well as the down side of life.

    The LP needs someone who can explain the message in clear words for the rest of those in the public who do not understand what the message is or who have never heard it.

    Obama, George Bush and Reagan are old stories. Regardless of who is in office or not in office the system will go on without them.

    Right now the U.S. government is contemplating getting involved in the mess in Libya.

    May I suggest that instead of spending time on the socialist/welfare program known as football that you raise a stink about the prospect of us getting involved in Libya if you are actually concerned about the future.

    The British and the French caused the problems in the Middle East in the first place and we have been going behind them cleaning up ever since.

  9. Wayne Root

    Brian,

    Obama is bought, paid and owned by the unions, but particularly the SEIU.

    Andy Stern the SEIU leader made more visits to the White House in Obama’s first 2 years than anyone else in the world.

    I’m surprised Obama didn’t leave Michelle for Andy. LOL

    Obamacare is so wonderful and profitable and fantastic…that it exempts most of the unions in America.

    GM and Chrysler were stolen from shareholders and awarded to the same unions that bankrupted them.

    The reason the automakers were saved was to keep paying autoworker pensions and health benefits. And when they went public…yes rich bankers on Wall Street got rich…all Obama supporters by the way…but the main beneficiary was the auto unions that owned a large portion of the stock.

    Of course Obama knows they kick back millions to his re-election campaign.

    And then there’s the main reason obama lives…no not oxygen. Government employee unions.

    The stimulus was all about stealing money, increasing debt for our children and grandchildren…to keep government employees in a job. How many billions went to states to save state and local govt employees? I’ll tell you: $150 BB.

    How much went to “education” to keep hundreds of thousands of teachers in their jobs? I’ll tell you: $125 BB.

    Stimulus was the “keep government employees unions employed” slush fund.

    And where did the money come from? Taxpayers and small business owners.

    Yet you’re annoyed he didn’t march alongside govt employees in Wisconsin? It’s all politics. Trust me, every cell and bone in his body cried out to join their march.

    But Obama’s pollsters barred the White House doors. To march would have been to destroy his poll ratings. He’d look like a union hack.

    He IS a union hack…he just can’t look like a man in the bag, bought, sold and paid for.

    It’s all in the image you project to independent voters who don’t have time to follow the news too closely.

    That’s the corrupt p.r. game he plays.

    But behind the scenes it’s a Obama/Andy Stern lovenest at the White House plotting out every move. Look fair and balanced and not too pro union to the public. Get re-elected.

    Then you have a marxist dream- 4 years in the White House without anyone to ever again answer to. Never face the electorate again. Then the REAL marxist comes out to bury business and damage capitalism beyond repair.

  10. Michael H. Wilson

    Btw Wayne on a couple of occasions some time back I tried to contact you through your web page to ask you to write a column for the newsletter edit for our state party. I never received a reply.

    I have also forwarded material to you on issues you were commenting on thinking that you might have need for it through a person who was supposed to be in contact with you. I never received a reply, yes I know you are busy, but thanks goes a long ways in the business world.

    Now back to bed. I have a miserable cold.

  11. LibertarianGirl

    ive never once had an email go unanswered from wayne , never , even when the topic was petty. i dont know what happened in ur instance michael , im not taking any sides here , im just saying ive been surprised at how prompt wayne answers his emails

  12. Wayne Root

    Michael,

    I’m off to sleep now. Exhausted. But I’ve never gotten a Facebook request or email from you. If I had, I would have answered. As Debbie (LibertarianGirl) can attest above.

    I get dozens of emails a day from strangers- I personally answer close to every one.

    Try again.

    I’m like an old-time politician. All politics is lo9cal. Take care of people, treat them nice, respond, be respectful and you can go a long way in politics…and LIFE!

    Goodnight,
    Wayne

    Wayne

  13. Michael Cavlan RN

    Per an earlier conversation with Paulie. From a “lefty” supporter of the Campaign For Liberty.
    Also, for the sake of name dropping and “street cred”, I once spoke at an End the Fed Rally in Minneapolis, with Rand Paul.

    This post has been pared and adjusted from the original. In a more respectful tone. Still hard hitting but in a more respectful tone.

    This is a copy and paste from the previous Root article of “progressive model of tax and spend is dead” that he wrote.

    It was unanswered then and still remains.
    So-Here you go

    Wayne Allan Root makes commentary that need to be challenged.

    Comments like Barack Obama is surrounded by a “Socialist Cabal.”

    Obama is surrounded by corporatists. People of the calibre of Timmy Geitner. People with very direct connections to Goldmann Sachs.

    People with ties to Goldmann Sachs are not noted for their “socialist” sensibilities. People like George Soros are not filled with Socialist revolution.

    George Soros and Goldmann Sachs have made a boatload of money from the foreclosure crisis. From the misfortunes of poor folks. Not a very socialists endeavor is it?

    Of course George Soros has lots of money. To fund politics. So does Robert Murdock, Dick Army and the Koch Brothers.

    In a classic example of divide and conquer.

    Mr Root also makes the case that Ireland and others face a deep economic crisis. He says that it is based on the force of Trade Unions and a society that has all those “bennies” being given away to unworthies.

    I lived in Ireland for 15 years. I still have family there. So I have a rather deeper and more immediate contact to what is really going on there than Mr Root. Good old WAR.

    The crisis in Ireland was caused by…….

    BANKERS, DEVELOPERS and other wealthy folks having very direct ties to those in government. In the Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labor Parties.

    They pushed to help fuel the economy and real estate bubbles in Ireland.

    Which mirrors pretty damned close what is happening in the United States.

    Ireland does not practice quantitative easing. Unlike the US government.

    So when the bubble pops here, it will hit much harder.

    Maybe then Wayne Allen Root will awaken to reality. I doubt it though.

    Because then Fox News would not have him on the air. Someone has to lead the divide and conquer strategy that the corporate elite have working “both” sides of the one money party system with two corporate wings.

    Consider this a very direct challenge to Wayne Allan Root.

  14. Brian

    @15, Root

    Sweet, he’s a corporatist that’s in the pockets of sham unions. But redistribution of wealth? To whom? To cronies? That’s corporatism. He’s about to cut entitlements. He’s already cut heating assistance. These are not the actions of socialists. I hardly see how you could claim this to be the case. The Bush tax cuts, my friend. Socialists don’t extend tax cuts to the rich. Socialists don’t employ former Wall Street CEOs. You can’t be a socialist and be in the pocket of Wall Street. It’s simply not possible. I find it hilarious that you can claim otherwise. While I understand that this was not the original topic of your post, I feel compelled to respond to what I believe to be disingenuous rhetoric. Seriously man, you can’t make a career out of Glenn Beck’s scraps.

  15. It wouldn't matter

    Even if Wayne was perfect, it wouldn’t matter, some of the people who complain will still complain just to complain. If any of you could do what Wayne is doing now and go as far as he has gone, maybe this party would have be a lot further along than it has been. Kudos to Wayne for even going as far as he has and how far he even brought the party name to nationalize TV. I know if he keeps on the track he is going. He will keep going to the point that some of you may even be obsolete because you will still be left behind complaining and no one will notice.
    LOL

  16. Aaron Starr

    LG writes: “how is it that Waynes articles , love em or hate em , get BY FAR the most comments here…? wait i know , Wayne and Starrs awesome mental power somehow blind and force people into commenting against their will…”

    …focus on my voice… you’re feeling relaxed… fulfillment with my every request…you and I want the same thing…you’re now content…life seems better…surrender to what you really want…let go…you’re mine…yes…that’s it…now…post comments on Wayne Root…you really want to…it’s all you…bliss… happiness…

  17. Harris Field

    Wouldn’t matter, or should I call you it?

    “Kudos to Wayne for even going as far as he has and how far he even brought the party name to nationalize TV”

    Best. Typo. Ever.

  18. Wayne Root

    Nowhere in history have socialists succeeded without help from wealthy people and corporations. So your argument is silly. Even when communism in old Soviet Union was at it’s peak…and the masses of citizens (aka peasants) were in complete poverty…

    The leaders of Communist Party…and their friends…and their corporate cronies…were fabulously wealthy.

    Obama cannot destroy America or capitalism without getting elected…and re-elected. You need rich people and CEO’s to win elections.

    Without his record $600 million in 2008 where would Obama be?

    Who gave him that money? Lawyers, unions, lobbyists, CEO’s like Jeffrey Immelt of GE, virtually the entire Hollywood.

    You are too rigid in your definitions of socialism or Marxism.

    You think a socialist or Marxist can’t be wealthy? What do you call Michael Moore? He hates capitalism…openly supports socialism…celebrates Cuba’s healthcare…but makes $50 million per year while doing it.

    They are all hypocrites.

    Obama is a socialist crossed with a fascist.

    Yes, he wants to redistribute the wealth…but into the hands of his contributors:

    Unions, lawyers, green companies, radical global warming environmentalists, and of course all his Marxist buddies in Hollywood.

    Are they all rich? You bet.

    And after bailouts, stimulus, green bills and corporate welfare steered to his richest buddies…they kick back hundreds of millions in contributions.

    And of course Obama throws a few sheckels at the poor welfare and food stamp addicted masses too…thats how you buy mass quantities of voters.

    So the base of Obama is the poor and govt employees and unions.

    But it’s all funded and fueled by the wealthy and corporations.

    When I attended Columbia University…my classmates were openly communist. They hated America and capitalism and anyone in power.

    But they were all guilty little trust fund babies. Lucky sperm club members. They rooted for 90% tax rates because they didn’t need an income…they all had $20 million trust funds…or fortunes waiting when their lawyer daddy died.

    Most leading progressives fall into same category.

    They are socialists and marxists…while they come from incredible wealth. Spoiled brat hypocrites.

    They want YOU and me to be taxed to death to make them feel less guilty…while they live in mansions, sip Perrier, eat cavier, and sail the Mediterranean.

    Wealth has nothing to do with whether someone is a socialist or Marxist or not…if it did…evertyone at Harvard, Yale, Columbia and Princeton would be fiscal conservatives.

    But they are almost to a man and woman…radical socialists and marxists.

    They suffer from guilt mixed with hypocrisy and a sick sense of priviledge.

  19. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Which Root critic ever said they were commenting against their will?

    LG and Starr are talking to themselves, “responding” to complaints that no one ever raised.

    I guess LG and Starr (and other Root supporters) find it easier arguing with their straw men, rather than raising the actual points made by Root’s critics.

  20. Porn Again Christian

    Teeth,

    See Steven Wilson at #2

    It’s not that there are more Root opinion articles at IPR than anyone else, it’s that it seems like it, because they tend to get the most comments.

  21. Aaron Starr

    …there are no distractions…you’re in a calm and safe place…nothing concerns you here…a burden has been lifted…nothing weighs heavy on your mind…yes…embrace what you want…post more comments on Root…focus on the kind smile…you’re floating…you’re reaching out…you feel warm…we are aligned…we are one…post again…it’s good…

  22. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    It’s not Root’s articles that get comments, so much as Root himself.

    Root’s like a pee-wee version of Charlie Sheen. Same delusional self-worship, though much less famous.

    People show up to a Root thread for much the same reason they tune in to Sheen’s latest rant. You watch the freak perform, then trade barbs over what a freak he is.

    The only annoying thing about Root is that the few American voters who see him on TV might mistake him for a real libertarian.

    Were it not for that, one could enjoy Root’s freak show without being annoyed.

  23. Stop all war, stop all W.A.R. Strike the ROOT

    Hi, I’ve been spamming the same repetitive drivel on every Root and Wrights thread for probably about a month. It sounds sort of like Rainman went to Woodstock, fell in a tub filled with brown acid, and emerged as The Joker. If you want to see what I originally posted in this comment here it is on the last thread I posted it on. However, I realize that many of you have seen it more than enough times already, so I’ll try to be more original in the future and come up with some new shtick. My deepest apologies for continuing to be such a pest so persistently. I’ll do better, I promise.

  24. Aaron Starr

    …yes…that’s it…there is no pain …you are protected…anonymous…safe…post more comments on Root…your protest masks hidden desire…lift the veil from your mind…it’s what you really want…we are aligned…we are one…the struggle is over…

  25. FAN of Dr. STAN

    .@11

    “The British and the French caused the problems in the Middle East in the first place and we have been going behind them cleaning up ever since.”

    me- You and all others who believe this need to check out the article by Darrell Castle: Are We all Just Pawns on the Grand Chess Board? located elsewhere on IPR. This whole thing was planned years ago. Time to smell the coffee friends…

    As far as this article I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of a MAJOR topic of the day to get media coverage. Most of the “geeks” (I say it in a loving way!) on here just don’t understand how big NFL fb is to the masses. W.A.R. uses that to “take a nick out” of B.O. Actually it is brilliants (sic?) on his part to tie it together.
    [B.O. must be “nicked” millions of times between now and election day and hopefully “bleed” to death politically to the middle voters (the ones which vote back and forth between Ds and Rs in POTUS races-the independents so to speak) if he is to lose. Then Gary Johnson will go in and SAVE AMERICA for the future generations! now that’s a positive thought]

    I just wish he (W.A.R.) understood that B.O. is controlled by the same people who has controlled every POTUS and most major politicians in our lifetimes.

    George Carlin Rated X-“Who Really Controls America”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

    {If you can’t find time to laugh it’s a DULL life! With this man ‘W’ and his dad being elected POTUS you MUST admit strings had to be pulled from above those two buffoons to have that to happen!!! I have a good “belly” laugh listening to the words they dubbed, enjoy} Bush’s stunning farewell speech!!!!:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNwPxAaHWwc&feature=related

    “Claim everything. Explain nothing. Deny everything.” – Senator Prescott Bush, grandfather of President George W. Bush

    “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” – George W. Bush

    “…if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched.” – George Bush Sr. – speaking in an interview with Sarah McClendon in December 1992

    Never fear American, Jed is being groomed as you SLEEP!

    Explaining the left-right paradigm to a co worker!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kw7j4lbDB4

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” – Carroll Quigley-Bill Clinton’s mentor.

    The Two Party Dictatorship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJnBI_ifSK0&feature=related

  26. Bryan

    Wayne Root may have made money on the NFL, but reading his “article”, I don’t think he has a clue as to how it works, or where it may go.

    Oh, and no matter how much you may hate Obama, he ain’t a socialist. He bailed out the banks and auto industry, he is opposed to same sex marriage, he has continued the worthless “wars” in Iraq and Afghanistan, he has continued the guantanimo bay prisons…etc…etc… Get a new line WAR and it needs to be something beyond getting a sound bite on the Dailey show.

  27. paulie

    B.O. must be “nicked” millions of times between now and election day and hopefully “bleed” to death politically to the middle voters (the ones which vote back and forth between Ds and Rs in POTUS races-the independents so to speak) if he is to lose. Then Gary Johnson will go in and SAVE AMERICA for the future generations! now that’s a positive thought

    Let’s be real here. Johnson will not get the Republican nomination, and neither will Ron Paul. And whoever the Republicans will actually put up is not going to be any better than Obama. Maybe better on a few things, worse on others, and in generally not reliable even when he/she does promise anything good. I love positive thoughts, but they have to be tempered with realism. Otherwise, you’re just deluding yourself.

    “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” – George W. Bush

    Great quote. Only problem is, it’s fake. Bush may well have thought this, but he never actually said it. I wonder how many of the other quotes you frequently put up have the same problem. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html

  28. Brian

    It’s not about wealth, you’re right. It’s about how you make it. If you work on Wall Street, you are a capitalist. Period.

  29. JillPyeatt

    Bryan @ 30: Thanks for some excellent points. One of my hopes for the upcoming two years would be for Republicans to realize how much like them Obama is. Especially in his zeal to murder the citizens of other countries, he is the neocons’ guy.

  30. Porn Again Christian

    @28 There is no pain, you are receding, a distant ship smoke on the horizon, you are only coming through in waves; your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying. When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse, out of the corner of my eye, now I’ve got that feeling once again, I can’t explain, this is not how I am…I have become comfortably numb

  31. paulie

    Comfortably Numb (Waters)

    Hello?
    Is there anybody in there?
    Just nod if you can hear me.
    Is there anyone at home?
    Come on, now,
    I hear you’re feeling down.
    Well I can ease your pain
    And get you on your feet again.
    Relax.
    I need some information first.
    Just the basic facts
    Can you show me where it hurts?

    There is no pain you are receding
    A distant ship, smoke on the horizon.
    You are only coming through in waves.
    Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying.
    When I was a child I had a fever
    My hands felt just like two balloons.
    Now I’ve got that feeling once again
    I can’t explain you would not understand
    This is not how I am.
    I have become comfortably numb.

    (solo)

    I have become comfortably numb.

    O. K.
    Just a little pin prick.
    There’ll be no more AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
    But you may feel a little sick.
    Can you stand up?
    I do believe its working. Good.
    That’ll keep you going through the show
    Come on it’s time to go.

    There is no pain you are receding
    A distant ship, smoke on the horizon.
    You are only coming through in waves.
    Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying.
    When I was a child
    I caught a fleeting glimpse
    Out of the corner of my eye
    I turned to look but it was gone
    I cannot put my finger on it now
    The child is grown,
    The dream is gone.
    I have become comfortably numb.

  32. paulie

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfortably_Numb

    Film version

    A large group consisting of Pink’s manager (Bob Hoskins), the hotel manager (Michael Ensign), paramedics, and roadies burst into Pink’s hotel room to find an unconscious Pink sitting in a chair. The hotel manager does not take kindly to Pink’s untidiness, but Pink’s manager insists that “he’s an artist”. After injecting a drug into Pink’s arm, the paramedics drag Pink out of the hotel and to his limousine.

    He is then transported to a concert where he was scheduled to play. Flashbacks of Pink’s childhood are inter-cut into the scene. In the flashback, a young Pink finds a wild rat and shows it to his overprotective mother. Her negative reaction towards the rodent causes Pink to hide the rat in a nearby shed. Pink later catches a fever that keeps him bed-ridden until the next morning. The next day, Pink returns to the shed, only to find that the rat has died in his absence, forcing Pink to dump its lifeless body in a nearby river.

    During this time, the drug causes Pink to hallucinate that his body is decaying. He sees himself as a child walking in a field in his room and touching his TV, then walking away. It then cuts to a scene where Pink reacts to the drug and tears up his apartment. Upon being pushed into the limousine, Pink tears off his diseased shell to reveal a Nazi-esque attire.

  33. JillPyeatt

    We saw Roger Waters perform “The Wall” here in Los Angeles in December. Omigod, it was the best concert ever! Waters is an absolute genius.

    I think my favorite Pink Floyd lyric–and I don’t know if Gilmore or Waters wrote it–is “There’s someone in my head, but it’s not me.” Yeah, I sure feel like that sometimes!

  34. JillPyeatt

    Waters is famously political. Sometimes he’s on target, but sometimes he gets a bit toward the socialist. The inflatable pig of the evening for each concert has slogans written on him, which are fun to watch as he floats overhead.

    Okay, my nostalgic co-opting of the thread is done.

    Frankly, I enjoyed Wayne’s sense of humor in this article.

  35. FAN of Dr. STAN

    @31

    your ref. material[-“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

    “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

    “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

    The Evidence
    There’s no record of Bush ever using these words in public and no other news organization has reported him using them privately. Thompson based his report on three sources whom he didn’t name. He gave the date of the quote as “last month,” which would put it sometime in November 2005.

    Thompson told us he once removed the story from his Web site when others raised doubts and no other news organization came up with a similar story. But he said he later reinstated it and currently believes it to be true. “I wrote the story and I stand by it,” Thompson said in a telephone interview.

    Thompson told us he based the story on e-mail messages from three persons he knows, all of whom claim to have been present at a White House meeting and to have heard Bush make the statement. He said he finds their account credible.]
    me-THREE sources, millions have died on fewer!

    I stand behind what I put on here just like that reporter stood behind his story. Who made this site you referrenced infallable?!? They can be wrong anytime and often! It wasn’t good PR for W to be talking like that, he could lose his duped christian supporters if that got out. The WH shut it down from going MSM. Can’t build all those weapons to make war if the christians STOPPED supporting W and the war. You know those weapon builders who own large portions of the MSM. Which the majority of christians would have stopped supporting him if they found out he talked like Nixon in “private” meetings!

    (sarcastic me-)”You know they loved Nixon, he was a Quaker you know? A good POTUS to most christians, until he got caught. They still wanted to love him. Then those awful tapes came out.” Oh how could a man take the Lord’s name in vain hundreds of times a day like that and be a good man? If anyone thinks W is above talking like that, I’m afraid they think wrong. p I didn’t take you to be naive. You don’t think a POTUS’ staff can shut up congressmen and their staffs from repeating a negative comment the POTUS made in a private meeting do you? (The old Prez can hinder that pork from goin’ home to the district don’t you know)

    As for the quotes I use? How do I know if it is correct for someone who died 150+ years ago? In modern times we have a lovely little thing called ‘youtube’ which I’ll hate to have to find each time HOWEVER lets start here >

    “I am delighted to be here in these new [Council on Foreign Relations] headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.” – Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, 7/15/2009

    Council on Foreign Relations ~ Hillary Clinton tells who gives the orders:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-sUywS0FJ4&feature=fvwrel

    I agree 100% Ron Paul will NEVER receive the GOP’s nom. for POTUS! All TIME and MONEY will be WASTED by anyone who takes that foolish path. A two term western gov that speaks in libertarian language, who won in a (2 to 1) D over R state could actually sale to the masses of GOP voters. you must win the swing states you know. Let’s see, it has happened before, I think his name was Reagan. Don’t get me wrong let the R’s finance his effort. Gary Johnson is a R and will be an R when he dies. He won’t be coming over to help the LP when he loses the RP race. Remember this please! So hopefully you LPers will use your time and money on the LP this time they need it MUCH MORE than the RP does!

    You CP and LP members definitely shouldn’t waste time or money on a Ron Paul campaign, as he is going nowhere again this time. He ran like an old man last time and he’s four years older now! A good man, but much, much TOO old to be POTUS.

    I hope they pay you well good friend, you comment on almost all threads on here. I guess trying to keep a tight ship and all. Just hope they pay you well for all this time you spend here “policing” the area!-lol

    PEACE

  36. paulie

    Thompson and Capitol Hill Blue are notorious hoaxers, and that quote is among many other examples of bad reporting by them. They’ve had to pull numerous stories in the past.

    Do a search on that sometime. I’ve done more than enough looking into it. There are plenty of sources that confirm that quote rests on thin ice, and Thompson is a notoriously extremely unreliable source.

  37. paulie

    THREE sources, millions have died on fewer!

    Three sources that only one notoriously bad source claims exist. That makes it one source, and one with a very poor track record.

  38. paulie

    Who made this site you referrenced infallable?

    Who said they’re infallible? CHB’s lack of reliability is easy to find in numerous sources and examples.

    p I didn’t take you to be naive. You don’t think a POTUS’ staff can shut up congressmen and their staffs from repeating a negative comment the POTUS made in a private meeting do you?

    You don’t think a “journalist” who has been repeatedly caught printing sensational bullshit would print sensational bullshit? Who’s being naive?

  39. paulie

    I agree 100% Ron Paul will NEVER receive the GOP’s nom. for POTUS! All TIME and MONEY will be WASTED by anyone who takes that foolish path.

    It’s not wasted. It gets the message out, just like LP runs, but to a different audience. It builds organizational strength (campaign for Liberty, etc). Win the nomination? Not so much.


    A two term western gov that speaks in libertarian language, who won in a (2 to 1) D over R state could actually sale to the masses of GOP voters.

    Don’t kid yourself. He’s for legalizing drugs, ending the war, substantial cuts in the military, and real cuts in entitlements and the regulatory state. He does not have a chance. The Republican establishment would not allow that to happen.

  40. paulie

    Let’s see, it has happened before, I think his name was Reagan.

    What has happened before? What’s your point in bringing up Reagan? What’s this “it” you are talking about?

    I hope they pay you well good friend, you comment on almost all threads on here

    Nobody pays me anything.

    Well, I take that back, I got two paypal contributions from readers this past month. They added up to $25. Those are appreciated, but it’s not exactly a living wage, LOL.

    I’m feeling like I’m wasting my time more and more, too. Would be nice if someone did pay me.

  41. The Social Troglodyte

    I’m curious….I’m running a quick poll:

    IF…Wayne Allyn Root becomes the Libertarian Party’s 2012 Presidential Nominee, will you vote for him in the general election?

    Yes or No

  42. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    I voted for Badnarik in 2004.

    I did not vote LP in 2008, mostly because Root was on the ticket.

    I will not vote for any ticket with Root anywhere on it.

  43. Observer

    Re: the poll @ 53:
    IF…Wayne Allyn Root becomes the Libertarian Party’s 2012 Presidential Nominee, will you vote for him in the general election?

    No. I will actually be leaving the Libertarian Party if Wayne becomes the candidate.

  44. Gains

    Poll @53:

    Leave the party over a schmuck outperforming his rivals? What sort of weak kneed, moron do I look like. I am responsible for who becomes the candidate as much as the next guy. My duty and obligation is to bring as many people as I can that share my views and choose the best people. After that, there is little left to do, but make for better preparations next time regardless if my favorite wins or not.

  45. Jerry S.

    @53 it would have to be a balanced ticket. The ’08 ticket wasn’t balanced. Barr had links to his past articles on his campaign site. Just a few months before they pushed him thru to the nom. in Denver, he wrote a piece praising the U.S.’ continued support of poison spraying of MJ and coke plants in central American and a general support of the drug war. Hence I moved over to Baldwin to ‘make a point in my own mind I guess’. I didn’t agree with Baldwin on every point, he wasn’t in favor of relegalization of course he was in the ‘return it to the states’ camp, but Barr WASN’T far enough along on liberty and drug use, and a former CIA spook on top of that, to be the LP’s POTUS nom. IMO! Again those LP priciples.

    W.A.R. needs to continue to move more libertarian on his foreign policy for me. (He has made some positive movement over the past 4 years.) With that said he is still probably in the lead now (march ’11) for the nom. Paulie wrote elsewhere about what needs to be done if the LP POTUS nominee is to get back to what I call a “purer” form of libertarianism. The purist must turnout in LV next year at the convention. The LP is not going to hold the White House for years (positive thoughts, or never if negative) so I feel we should have so called “purist” at the top of the ticket to “pull” the public and hence the Ds and Rs in our direction.

    What was the story on the Socialist in the early part of the 20th century? They got 9 of 10 (or some figure?) of their main points adopted by the Ds and made law under FDR. So they “WON” without really winning the office! The LP needs to remain principled on their points to move the nation that way “hopefully”

    I use the Nolan Chart a lot in my discussions. I know it’s just a guide. It does give us something to look at however. The LP quadrant is 1/5 of the entire chart. For the LP to ever succeed and win office they need the support of everyone who fits in that quadrant and also the ones who land near or on the lines at liberals, moderate and conservative! In my twentys I was a 100/100 guy. Now as my hair greys and my joints ache and my grandchildren reach school age I am more of (+or-)60/80(+or-).

    I refer to myself as a moderate libertarian these days hence I guess my moving over to Baldwin when Barr got the nom. was easier. Moderate libertarians can still disagree on many many issues ! That’s part of the fun in politics…

    PEACE
    Remember stop all war…

  46. paulie

    IF…Wayne Allyn Root becomes the Libertarian Party’s 2012 Presidential Nominee, will you vote for him in the general election?

    In 2012, I probably will not be allowed to vote once again.

    The last time I voted in a general presidential election was 1996.

    In 2000, I wanted to vote Libertarian, but I was on the road so much that I literally didn’t know where to have an absentee ballot sent to. Ironically, I later found out I could have voted with just the bottom stub of a voter reg card – which I had lots of on hand, and was working rights outside a polling place all day. Oh well.

    2003 was the last monopoly government election I actually voted in. (Yes to recall Davis, “Abolish the office” for Governor of California and yes to racial privacy initiative).

    2004, I was in a cynical anti-political phase, and wouldn’t have voted even if I could.

    2008, my ID had expired, I can’t get it renewed because I won’t use an SSN, so no more voting in government elections for me.

    I’m curious as the questioners answer to his/her own query.

  47. David Colborne

    I don’t mind Wayne serving on the presidential ticket, though I think his strategy of appealing strictly to libertarian-leaning conservative media will backfire, especially in this campaign cycle. Though I can’t prove it, I strongly suspect Fox and other normally sympathetic media outlets will shut him out if it looks like he’s shaving votes off of whomever the GOP candidate is in 2012, especially if the GOP candidate has a realistic shot at defeating Obama.

    As for the article itself, my biggest beef with it is that it’s, at best, tangential to the issues of organized labor and business ownership in this country. NFL labor “problems”, if they’re synonymous with anything outside of the NFL, are similar to the issues facing industry and labor in the ’50s and early ’60s, when the economy was consistently growing year-after-year and American manufacturing was the only game on the planet. Unions could ask for raises and benefit hikes year after year, negotiating with the “top dog” in each industry to set industry rates, and big business could afford to provide them, safe and secure in the knowledge that sales would continue to increase and giving in would keep anybody from competing on labor. In such an environment, it doesn’t make sense for labor or industry to push too hard on their issues – as long as business is conducted and the doors remain open, the pie will always grow.

    It wasn’t until overseas competition, which most certainly competed on labor, arrived that the system broke. The pie stopped growing, but everyone was firmly convinced that their slice of pie each year should be bigger than last year. Labor was (and, in many respects, remains) firmly convinced that it should receive pay and benefits increases, year after year. Management was (and, in many respects, remains) firmly convinced that it should receive escalating bonuses and “golden parachutes” year after year. Sooner or later, though, when the slices of pie grow faster than the pie, you run out of pie, at which point something happens. In the case of GM and Chrysler, that meant government control over the pie cutter (a policy that started under Bush, not Obama). In most businesses, that means bank and debtor control over the pie cutter.

    If you want a sports analogy, you can either go with the NHL’s issues a few years back, which nearly led to the liquidation of the league, or you can look at the NBA today. In the case of the NBA, there are several owners that are flat out losing money, year after year, even though ratings and merchandising are the highest they’ve been in ages. Several franchises, such as the Maloof-owned Sacramento Kings, haven’t been viable for years and show no foreseeable signs of improvement. In this environment, you won’t see compromise, not when it’s cheaper for some of the owners to just close the doors and walk away than to actually pay players to play. It’s in an environment like this that someone like Obama might get involved – it’s hard to “never waste a tragedy” unless there’s actually one present. As an added bonus, Obama has already openly stated that he’s – gasp! – a basketball fan!

    Short story long, my beef with Wayne’s article is that, if he’s going to take a shot at Obama (and I don’t mind if he does), I’d prefer he stuck with well educated shots with a grounding in reality. There are plenty of topics that could have been used to illustrate Obama’s fealty to his interest groups and how it’s destroying the nation. For example, how’s the Chevy Volt selling? (Not well.) Who paid for its development? (Us.) Who will be able to pay for the car? (Upper-class liberal yuppies.) So, aren’t we basically driving our fiscal balance off a cliff, putting people’s retirements, medical care, and education at danger, so upper-class liberals can feel better about themselves and so Obama’s union supporters have make-work projects to perform?

    That was easy. Let’s keep going.

    How are fuel prices looking? (Escalating!) How come? (Libya melting down, among other things.) What’s Obama’s response? (Make noise about Libya, increase restrictions on federal land, restrict off-shore drilling.) How does this help the common man? (It doesn’t.) How does it help his interest groups? (Chinese rare earth sales will be higher as more people are forced to buy hybrids.) Ah ha! Obama’s policies are selling us to the Chinese!

    Now, let’s try something local.

    How does Nevada’s economy look? (Poor – we have the worst unemployment rate in the country.) What is the federal government, led by Obama’s enviro-fascists doing about it? (They’re getting ready to list a species on the endangered species list whose range is 90% of the state.) What will this do to Nevada’s economy? (Destroy it – nobody will be able to do anything anymore.) What is Harry Reid and Obama doing about it? (Making the problem worse.)

    See? It’s not hard, everything was topical, and none of the topics require a complete suspension of disbelief to flesh out.

    I know Wayne can do it. He’s done it before. I just don’t think this particular article was his best work, that’s all.

  48. The Social Troglodyte

    @60: I’m trying to gaging the sentiment of the libertarian electorate if W.A.R is the LP presidential nominee in 2012.

    I agree with Tom at @ 7: “Let me be perfectly honest with you, Wayne. The reason many libertarians don’t like you is because you are selling conservatism repackaged as “Reagan libertarianism” and many of us aren’t buying it.”
    _________________________________

    I think Wayne is a Libertarian Poser.

    Unfortuntaely, I held my nose and voted for Barr in 2008.

    My answer to my own poll question is: NO!

  49. paulie

    @ 61 I think this part of your comment would make a good article…what do you think?

    As for the article itself, my biggest beef with it is that it’s, at best, tangential to the issues of organized labor and business ownership in this country. NFL labor “problems”, if they’re synonymous with anything outside of the NFL, are similar to the issues facing industry and labor in the ’50s and early ’60s, when the economy was consistently growing year-after-year and American manufacturing was the only game on the planet. Unions could ask for raises and benefit hikes year after year, negotiating with the “top dog” in each industry to set industry rates, and big business could afford to provide them, safe and secure in the knowledge that sales would continue to increase and giving in would keep anybody from competing on labor. In such an environment, it doesn’t make sense for labor or industry to push too hard on their issues – as long as business is conducted and the doors remain open, the pie will always grow.

    It wasn’t until overseas competition, which most certainly competed on labor, arrived that the system broke. The pie stopped growing, but everyone was firmly convinced that their slice of pie each year should be bigger than last year. Labor was (and, in many respects, remains) firmly convinced that it should receive pay and benefits increases, year after year. Management was (and, in many respects, remains) firmly convinced that it should receive escalating bonuses and “golden parachutes” year after year. Sooner or later, though, when the slices of pie grow faster than the pie, you run out of pie, at which point something happens. In the case of GM and Chrysler, that meant government control over the pie cutter (a policy that started under Bush, not Obama). In most businesses, that means bank and debtor control over the pie cutter.

    If you want a sports analogy, you can either go with the NHL’s issues a few years back, which nearly led to the liquidation of the league, or you can look at the NBA today. In the case of the NBA, there are several owners that are flat out losing money, year after year, even though ratings and merchandising are the highest they’ve been in ages. Several franchises, such as the Maloof-owned Sacramento Kings, haven’t been viable for years and show no foreseeable signs of improvement. In this environment, you won’t see compromise, not when it’s cheaper for some of the owners to just close the doors and walk away than to actually pay players to play. It’s in an environment like this that someone like Obama might get involved – it’s hard to “never waste a tragedy” unless there’s actually one present. As an added bonus, Obama has already openly stated that he’s – gasp! – a basketball fan!

  50. Observer

    Re: my answer at 55: I had hoped Bob Barr in 2008 was an anomally–a mistake that the LP learned from. If they make another mistake in 2012–and I think WAR as our nominee would be a serious mistake–, then, the ideology of the LP simply doesn’t reflect my anti-war, pro personal freedoms views. I do agree with Wayne on economic issues, but I think there’s much more than that to vote on.

    There is much to do in the anti-war/pro-liberty movement without being involved with the LP.

  51. paulie

    The last time I thought the LP made a good decision on the presidential ticket was Browne in 2000. I was for Russo in 2004, and thought the LP shot itself in the foot with Badnarik, although in retrospect he did pretty well, especially given what he started out with. In 2008 I was not happy at all, and I still think I was right. In general the LP seemed to have lost its way after 9/11. I think Wes and Mark Hinkle have made things better, but we are not out of the woods by any means.

  52. JT

    David: “I don’t mind Wayne serving on the presidential ticket, though I think his strategy of appealing strictly to libertarian-leaning conservative media will backfire, especially in this campaign cycle. Though I can’t prove it, I strongly suspect Fox and other normally sympathetic media outlets will shut him out if it looks like he’s shaving votes off of whomever the GOP candidate is in 2012, especially if the GOP candidate has a realistic shot at defeating Obama.”

    I think this is an interesting point. I know that Harry Browne appeared on Fox News several times in 2000 while he was the Libertarian candidate for President. His ideas were highly controversial, he was a great speaker, and his appearances rated well. Of course, HB was a very balanced Libertarian; he didn’t try to focus on only one side of the Nolan chart. If he were a conservative-libertarian, I don’t know if he’d have been invited as much.

    I do know that having Root go on and on about how bad Obama is obviously isn’t a problem for conservative outlets when there’s no race for President going on.

  53. wolfefan

    Someone may have addressed this above – sorry if I missed it… whatever the pros or cons of Obamarare, the waivers being granted are only temporary (one year) and have been granted to many non-profits and churches, not just unions.

    While I don’t think that this is a particularly insightful article, it is kinda funny. It’s also kinda funny that Wayne is now Obama’s classmate, which gives him special insight. I guess he figured out that if he talked about never seeing, meeting, or knowing Obama at school that he couldn’t claim that insight.

  54. paulie

    wolfefan,

    Wayne has said all along that he doesn’t remember Obama from Columbia, but that he is describing a general mindset prevalent among his classmates.

  55. JT

    Me: “I know that Harry Browne appeared on Fox News several times in 2000 while he was the Libertarian candidate for President.”

    I should say by “several” I think it was more than half a dozen, maybe in double digits.

  56. Paulie sucks ROOT - ipr SUCKS W.A.R.

    Paulie sucks ROOT – ipr SUCKS W.A.R.

    War sucks
    W.A.R. sucks
    Root sucks

    IPR sucks Root
    IPR sucks W.A.R.
    IPR sucks W.A.R.’s root

    Paulie sucks Root
    Paulie sucks W.A.R.
    Paulie sucks W.A.R.’s root

    EVIL paulie EVIL
    EVIL ipr EVIL

    W.A.R. is EVIL – W.A.R. Sucks – Root is evil – War is evil – War sucks – Root sucks – War sucks blood – W.A.R. Sucks blood from LP – Root sucks blood from LP.

    Blood of tyrants – Root supports tyrants – Root against workers strike – Workers strike against tyrants in middle east, midwest – W.A.R. supports tyrants, repression in middle east, midwest – I.P.R. supports W.A.R., repression, tyranny. Paulie supports W.A.R., repression, tyranny.

    Paulie gets gold STARR from Aaron STARR. Yellow Starr.

    IPR censors – weapon of tyrants – restrict information – like in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, oppressors, restrict information, restrict truth.

    Paulie censors – weapon of tyrants – restrict information – like in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, oppressors, restrict information, restrict truth.

    Blood of tyrants; tree of liberty.

    LP Tree of Liberty will grow wRIGHTs again Amen. Remove Paulie, Starr, W.A.R. warmongers rootsuckers anti-worker censors. Off with their heads. New heads for LP, new heads for IPR.

    Remove Rot – Remove Evil – Remove War – Remove W.A.R. – Remove warmongers – Remove WARmongers – Remove Root – Remove Starr – Remove Paulie – Remove censors, censorship, tyrants, tyrant supporters – IPR Tree of Liberty will grow wRIGHTs again Amen. LP Tree of Liberty will grow wRIGHTs again Amen. Amen. Amen.

    Amen.

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  58. paulie

    Root media update – probably a separate article later


    Libertarian Root’s Nonstop Media Tour Continues

    Wayne Allyn Root, former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee and Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee, has been dubbed by the media “Mr. Libertarian” and “a human energizer bunny.” Wayne more than lived up to that moniker with almost 70 media interviews, appearances and articles published in recent days. Root’s nonstop media tour continues! See below for details:

    “The Bob “Sully” Sullivan Show KOGO AM San Diego, CA

    “The Big Biz Show” Nationally Syndicated

    “Radio Free Washington” Olympia, Washington

    “The Peter Schiff Show” Syndicated on multiple stations

    “Main Street Radio with Alan Nathan” Nationally Syndicated

    “Pittsburg Now with Chris Moore” WPXI-TV (NBC) Pittsburg, PA

    “The Lincoln Brown Show” KVEL/KLCY AM Vernal, Utah

    “The Bill Cunningham Show” Nationally Syndicated- Premiere Radio Network

    Newsmax.com Wayne’s column

    DailyCaller.com Wayne’s column

    WorldNetDaily.com Wayne’s column

    LP.org Wayne’s column

    NevadaNewsandViews.com

    eWallStreeter.com

    IndependentPoliticalReport.com Wayne’s column

    Gambling911.com Wayne’s column

    “The Steve Bortstein Show” Fox Radio Farmington, New Mexico

    “The Granite City Cafe” WJON/KXSS AM St Cloud, Minnesota

    “The Thom Hartmann Show” Syndicated Radio plus DISH Network via Skype

    “The Les Naiman Show” WGTK AM Salem, Kentucky

    “The Al Malmberg Show” Fox News Radio Northern Colorado

    Pittsburg Cable News Channel

    “The Bob “Sully” Sullivan Show KOGO AM San Diego, CA

    “The Matt Bruce Show” WWBA AM Tampa, FL

    “The Big Biz Show” Nationally Syndicated

    “The Bill Cunningham Show” Nationally Syndicated- Premiere Radio Network

    “The Rusty Humphries Show” WGST AM Atlanta, Georgia

    Newsmax.com Wayne’s Column

    DailyCaller.com Wayne’s column

    Breitbart.com Wayne’s column

    LP.org Wayne’s column

    NevadaNewsandViews.com

    eWallStreeter.com

    IndependentPoliticalReport.com Wayne’s column

    Gambling911.com Wayne’s column

    “Nighttalk with Ellis Cannon” WPXI TV (NBC) Pittsburg, Pa

    “The Chuck Wilder Show” Nationally Syndicated

    “The Thom Hartmann Show” Syndicated Radio plus DISH Network via Skype

    “The Jayne Carroll Show” KUIK AM Hillsboro, Oregon

    “Main Street Radio with Alan Nathan” Nationally Syndicated

    “G. Gordon Liddy Show” Nationally Syndicated

    “The Gary Nolan Show” WXTL FM Syracuse, NY

    “The Rob Johnson Show” WGST AM Atlanta, Georgia

    “The Big Biz Show” Nationally Syndicated

    “The Bill Cunningham Show” Nationally Syndicated- Premiere Radio Network

    “MyTechnologyLawyer Radio Show” Internet Radio

    Newsmax.com Wayne’s Column

    DailyCaller.com Wayne’s column

    Breitbart.com Wayne’s column

    LP.org Wayne’s column

    IndependentPoliticalReport.com Wayne’s column

    Gambling911.com Wayne’s column

    eWallStreeter.com

    “The Kevin Doran Show” WLEA AM Hornell, NY

    “The Bob “Sully” Sullivan Show KOGO AM San Diego, CA

    “Captain’s America” Nationally Syndicated

    “The Matt Bruce Show” WWBA AM Tampa, FL

    “The Lee Elci Show” WXLM AM New London, CT

    “The Big Biz Show” Nationally Syndicated

    Newsmax.com Wayne’s Column

    DailyCaller.com Wayne’s column

    Breitbart.com Wayne’s column

    LP.org Wayne’s column

    IndependentPoliticalReport.com Wayne’s column

    Gambling911.com Wayne’s column

  59. paulie

    @ 75 My reply CCed to Wayne, Jim Duensing, Lee Wrights, James L. Burns and IPR writers:

    Hi Wayne, that’s some pretty impressive media reach!

    I have some ideas on how other Libertarians can start to this same sort of thing, either individually or cooperatively, which I posted several places, including https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/03/root-comments-on-fox-news-featured-on-jon-stewart-show/comment-page-3/#comment-330201

    Since it’s an editorial by me, I’m not allowed to post it at IPR, so I’m CCing the other IPR writers in hopes one or more of them will consider it worth putting up as an article.

    Also CCed the other people who are either declared or likely 2012 Presidential nomination candidates. For those of you who may actually not run, all that matters for my purpose here is that people think you will run.

    1) I hope you’ll like my suggestions in the comment linked above.

    2) I’ve proposed to get as many of you as possible into a debate or joint forum on the radio.

    paulie

    // Mar 7, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Will any 2 or more of the following agree to debate on radio?

    Jim Duensing
    Lee Wrights
    James L. Burns
    Wayne Root

    So far, Duensing and Wrights have expressed interest:

    Jim Duensing

    // Mar 7, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    [..]

    As for future debates, I will engage in as many debates as possible. My preference for format is Lincoln / Douglas or a town hall format.

    I think there would be a large audience for a debate between myself, Lee, Burns, and WAR. I?ll even offer up time on my radio show if we can get two or more of the other candidates to participate.

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim

    and

    R. Lee Wrights

    // Mar 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Just let me know when and where.

    p] Duensing’s show is Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on http://ybsradio.com/

    Starting 6:30 AM Vegas time and can run about 2 hours give or take.

    If he is in the debate I would suggest someone else be the moderator; if other shows are available I am interested in suggestions.

    I hope as many of you as possible will agree on a day and “place.”

    Please let me know if and when you have done so, I think that would draw some interest from our readers.

    -Paule

    415.690.6352

  60. Root to Sell Out LP

    “I strongly suspect Fox and other normally sympathetic media outlets will shut him out if it looks like he’s shaving votes off of whomever the GOP candidate is in 2012, especially if the GOP candidate has a realistic shot at defeating Obama.”

    Yes, others have speculated likewise — that the right-wing media won’t assist a “conservative-leaning libertarian” LP ticket siphon votes from the GOP in 2012.

    Especially since 2012 will be “the most important election in everyone’s lifetime.”

    But I predict that Root is cunning enough to see this, and will adjust his message to suit Fox News.

    Root is out for Root. He’ll say what he needs to to get the LP nomination. Then if his interests are better served by urging his LP supporters to vote GOP, he’ll do so.

    Fox News, Hannity, et al, would love to have the LP presidential nominee endorse Palin, or whoever runs on the GOP.

    It may burn Root’s LP bridges — but it’d be worth it if there’s a TV or radio talk show deal as payoff.

    Larry Elder boosted his radio career by publicly ditching the LP and being a “Republitarian.”

    Root is using the LP to gain media attention, and will ditch the LP when it suits his career goals.

  61. Judaeophobic collective guilt is sooooo Libertarian!

    Libertzionists are fake libertarians

    They support:

    Israel First, America Last
    War for Israel
    War for Oil
    Zionist Bankers and their economic system
    Zionist media and its lies

    IPR libertzionists:

    Bruce Cohan
    Aaron Starr
    Wayne Root
    Paulie “Starr Pupil” Fraudankel

    ZioFascist AshkeNazi Khazar “Jew” Kabalic Cabal…Libertzionists not Libertarians…Fire fire heh heh burn burn ….

    Heil…oops, I mean hi! My Jew-hating comment was too long, so it is being shortened, but you can still see it elsewhere on IPR.

    Look, honestly, I have no idea what I am talking about here. For some reason I think my racist and state-socialist views are libertarian. Don’t ask me why. As a collectivist, I believe in collective guilt for all Jews, and an economy controlled by the state acting on behalf of the so called “working class.” For me, that’s what libertarianism is really all about.

    But let me tell you a bit about myself. My daddy was Rainman. He went to Woodstock, fell in a big tub of brown acid and came out as the Joker. A few years later he ran into Eric Cartman from South Park and raped him in the ass. Some turds came out, and I was one of them. And that’s how I came to be, a collectivist racialist state socialist “libertarian.”

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion…

  62. LibertarianGirl

    “I’m curious….I’m running a quick poll:

    IF…Wayne Allyn Root becomes the Libertarian Party’s 2012 Presidential Nominee, will you vote for him in the general election?

    Yes or No”

    me_ that depends on whether or not Ron Paul gets the GOP nod .If RP does, I dont care if the LP runs Jesus Christ himself , i’m voting for Ron Paul , if RP doesnt get it , I will vote LP no matter who the candidate is , because no doubt , he will be better than anyone else

  63. LibertarianGirl

    “Unfortuntaely, I held my nose and voted for Barr in 2008.

    My answer to my own poll question is: NO!”

    me_ YOU HAVE GOT TO E FUCKING KIDDING ME!~! you’d hold your nose and vote for Barr but not for Root …..um hello , Barr has actually PUT PEOPLE IN CAGES, wayne never has . This just proves no logic goes into ur very biased opinion of WAR

  64. The Social Troglodyte

    LG@ 81

    My point is that I will not make that FUCKING mistake again.

    If Barr or Root are the ballot I will vote for neither. I’ll stay home.

    I refuse to be a libertarian bootlicker for wishy- washy libertarians or those who spout out Conservative Talking Points.

    Embrace ALL tenents of libertarianism not just the economic ones.

  65. LibertarianGirl

    I would like to point out that i got my activist start fighting the drug war , i actually know people Barr put in prison , so I had every reason to not vote for him and wasnt going to until none other than David Nolan himself convinced me otherwise . he said dont send money but hold ur nose and vote LP. and i did

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