Wrights to participate in first Libertarian presidential debate

BURNET, Texas (June 17) – Lee Wrights will participate in the first Libertarian presidential debate scheduled during the Future of the Libertarian Movement Conference in Manchester, N.H. June 19.

The one-day conference is sponsored by the Libertarian Parties of New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

Three candidates will participate in the debate, Wrights, Roger Gary of Texas and Carl Person of New York. The debate is scheduled for 6:15 p.m. and will be moderated by George Phillies. The New Hampshire and Massachusetts Libertarian Parties will give a first-round delegate vote to the winner of the post-debate straw poll.

“I’m looking forward to engaging with my fellow libertarians in what I am certain will be a lively and informative discussion,” Wrights said. “It certainly will be more enlightening than the presidential debate conducted by one of the so-called major parties in New Hampshire recently.”

The New Hampshire debate is open to all Libertarian Party candidates with an extended continuous record of Libertarian Party activism, who have completed FEC filings, and have substantial campaign team in place.

Wrights has also agreed to participate in a debate in March 2012 at the Pennsylvania Libertarian State Convention in Pittsburgh.

The conference keynote speaker will be Judge John Buttrick of Arizona who will speak at the luncheon. Other featured speakers are Angela Keaton of AntiWar.com and Outright Libertarians; Joe Kennedy, Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate; Ernest Hancock, publisher of Freedom’s Phoenix; Mary Ruwart, author of “Healing our World” and member of the Libertarian National Committee, and Don Gorman, past LNC at-large representative, former Libertarian N.H. state representative and the most-elected libertarian in the country.

The conference will be held at the Highlander Inn at the Manchester Airport one day before the beginning of the week-long Porcfest, the annual celebration of freedom conducted by the Free State Project.

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R. Lee Wrights, 53, a libertarian writer and political activist, is seeking the presidential nomination because he believes the Libertarian message in 2012 must be a loud, clear and unequivocal call to stop all war. To that end he has pledged that 10 percent of all donations to his campaign will be spent for ballot access so that the stop all war message can be heard in all 50 states. Wrights is a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and co-founder and editor of of the free speech online magazine Liberty For All. Born in Winston-Salem, N.C., he now lives and works in Texas.

Lee Wrights for President
Contact: Brian Irving, press secretary
press@wrights2012.com
919.538.4548

76 thoughts on “Wrights to participate in first Libertarian presidential debate

  1. Robert Milnes

    I’m not happy about this.
    Because of some arbitrary and capricious fool rules, I am banned from this debate.
    Further, why bother to contribute or otherwise support a candidate who can’t get into the debate?
    Sound familiar?
    I specifically decided to run independent because of the 2008 LP fiasco. Upon LP nominating rightists, I then tried Independent & BTP. I also tried to talk Mary into bolting the LP.
    Odds are none of these candidates gets the nomination.
    Some last minute fool rightist like Gary Johnson will take it & spoil it. Just like Barr did.

  2. NewFederalist

    I thought your Econoline wouldn’t make it. I bet if you showed up they would let you debate.

  3. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 1,

    What is “arbitrary and capricious” about a Libertarian Party debate being only for Libertarian Party candidates?

    Is is “arbitrary and capricious” that they don’t also invite Republicans Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, and maybe Democrat Dennis Kucinich, and perhaps Warren Beatty because he once played a US Senator on screen?

  4. Robert Milnes

    Tom, because it is the Libertarian Party.
    Third party/Independents.
    A large percentage of members, bystanders, supporters, would be members are ANARCHISTS! & MINARCHISTS.
    & What is the LP doing nominating rightists?
    You think if Ron Paul showed up he’d get turned away?
    A billionaire like Perot or Bloomberg?
    You think if Gary Johnson dropped out of GOP race he’d get in the LP race immediately? No problemo.
    Gravel did it. As dem drop out in 2008.
    Barr waltzed into the LP & practically took over.
    & tried to bring Ron Paul with him.
    Crazy!
    The situation is just too tenuous for so many rules & to justify turning somebody like me away.

  5. Robert Milnes

    NF @3, I don’t think they would let me in.
    Besides, the last time one of my vans broke down it took me a year to build up enough credit to get it out of the repair shop lot.
    & it was only a couple of miles away.
    What if I break down in NH with maxed out credit cards?

  6. Kleptocracy and You

    Hitch a ride with someone who is going.

    Show up with your .357 Milnes, I’m sure they will let you debate.

    If they don’t, shoot into the ceiling a couple of times then they surely will let you speak.

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  7. George Phillies

    @7

    Readers should realize that concealed carry is legal and common in New Hampshire. If someone that no one recognizes or has heard of walks into a State Convention waving a gun, he will receive a great deal of interested attention , and if he starts shooting, well, my Army training well probably still ensure that I am inspecting how carefully the floor has been cleaned as viewed from a distance of zero inches, and people who think they will follow the roof on the target list may be taking legal and appropriate actions under the circumstances.

  8. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 5,

    “You think if Ron Paul showed up he’d get turned away?”

    From this debate? Absolutely. He is a Republican nomination candidate, not a Libertarian nomination candidate, and this is a Libertarian debate.

    The national convention has somewhat different procedures that theoretically allow someone to get around that obvious rule, and it has happened (in 1996 and 2000, Charles Collins ran for both the LP and GOP nominations, and IIRC managed to get over the rules hurdle to be in an LP national convention forum/debate), but it’s still an exception, not the rule.

    If you want to run for the LP’s nomination, run for the LP’s nomination. If you don’t, shut yer bitchin’ about being excluded from LP nomination events.

  9. George Phillies

    @5 Paul? Turned away?

    Absolutely.

    He’s a Republican, and his social stands show that he is only libertarian while trying to fleece libertarians.

  10. Steven Wilson

    I know that Wrights talks very well about ending the wars. I don’t really know much about the other candidates so far, but I hope one or two can speak well about legalization.

    I think that would make a quality ticket. To have one nominee that can promote peace, and to have another promote legalization.

    The economy is going to dominate the field this election. It would be nice to break up the tone and context of the speech.

  11. Robert Milnes

    Tom, I did mean something like that.Maybe…
    A declared suspension of his GOP campaign,
    a waiver of the rules, something.
    If there was any sort of opening, he could get over/through. IMO.
    Remember the lack of resistance to Barr’s maneuvering with LNC re: Ron Paul?

  12. Robert Milnes

    NF, there was a poll or study in 2008.
    The name Libertarian List comes to mind.
    Anyway 72% of libertarians, it might have even been Libertarians, support Ron Paul.
    Tom, George, can you help me remember this?

  13. NewFederalist

    That was 2008. How can you be sure those numbers are still valid? Also, it makes a BIG different whether it was libertarians or Libertarians.

  14. Thomas L. Knapp

    I believe it was 72% of LP members polled, and yes, it was by LibertarianLists.

    I don’t recall the methodology, or even whether or not the methodology was revealed.

    I haven’t seen any numbers of any kind relating to the subject this time around.

  15. Milnes's Methodology

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if Milnes cites polling numbers from ancient Athens to support his theory that PLAS could win in 2012 America.

  16. Kleptocracy and You

    Jokes aside, and I was joking GP. Milnes can’t get out of his driveway, you don’t have to worry about him disturbing your conference. I’m afraid he may have, along with his other ailments, that disease where you are unable to leave your home.

    Ron Paul’s recent campaigns have done MAJOR damage to the LP. I’m receiving money-bomb notices from my state LP activist group. I mean what the hay !? Ron Paul is an R, paying RP primary and caucus fees, and a HUGE chunk in the Iowa REPUBLICAN $traw poll this August to the IA RP. Why in hades should LP members send him a penny, let the Rs fund him. He’s not helping the LP in anyway to my knowledge. The LP needs every penny they can get just to survive ballot access. Let the fascist war party fend for itself !!!

    I wish all participants the best and let’s all hope something GOOD will come from the entire program .

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  17. newswatcher

    Have any of the participants in this debate ever been elected to a public office before?

  18. Concerned Chuck and Hetro Harry

    I’d be interested in hearing where these candidates stand on 1) Alan Keyes daughter being a lesbian, 2) male prostate stimulation, 3) the 1962 Isreali trial of Adolf Eichmanm and his subsequent hanging. Is the LP going to continue to eat waffles or are they going to flip the menu over because for the rest of America it’s already lunch time! Ralph Nader gets it, Jimmy McMillan had it before he went all Buchananite on us, the LP can get it too… Just stop with all the waffle eating. Thank you.

  19. LibertarianGirl

    George Phillies // Jun 18, 2011 at 8:47 am

    @7

    Readers should realize that concealed carry is legal and common in New Hampshire. If someone that no one recognizes or has heard of walks into a State Convention waving a gun, he will receive a great deal of interested attention , and if he starts shooting, well, my Army training well probably still ensure that I am inspecting how carefully the floor has been cleaned as viewed from a distance of zero inches, and people who think they will follow the roof on the target list may be taking legal and appropriate actions under the circumstances.

    me_ long story short going to a LP convention waving or shooting a gun would not only be stupid it would likely be the last thing one ever did..

  20. Kleptocracy and You

    From what I read Person has been an attoney for 49 years.

    Elected to office doesn’t help. See the MESS the “elected” pols have got us into.

    See Milnes hasn’t posted lately. May be on his way to NH. You guys “DUCK” !!!!!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  21. Jeremy C. Young

    Oh, so he’s Crazy Tom Stevens’ candidate. That would be Tom Stevens, who ran against the Libertarian Party Presidential candidate in the general election last cycle, while serving on the LP’s Judicial Committee.

    Sorry, Carl, not exactly the guy you want to have as your campaign manager.

  22. newswatcher

    Elected to office doesn’t help. See the MESS the “elected” pols have got us into.

    How they going to be President if they can’t get elected?

  23. Jake Porter

    “Have any of the participants in this debate ever been elected to a public office before?”

    Roger Gary was elected and served as the Director of the San Antonio River Authority.

  24. johncjackson

    Is Person older than Ron Paul?

    He created the paralegal profession? Now he can create 6.5 million jobs by establishing the “assistant to business owner” profession?

  25. George Phillies

    The New Hampshire event was quite successful. Total registration was above 40.

    In the votes after the Presidential debate, Lee Wrights won the one Massachusetts first-round delegate vote. NOTA and Max Abramson (New Hampshirite who just announced he is running for President and has no campaign organization) each won one New Hampshire first-place vote.

  26. Robert Milnes

    Geez George. I didn;t call for a boycott.
    Just out of curiousity, do you think more or less people would have attended if I was in the debate?

  27. Robert Milnes

    Klepto @20, you would think the LP Ronulan Paulnuts would have the discretion to have 1 or 2 degress of Kevin Bacon separation between the LP & GOP Ron Paul.
    But why bother? Paul has got theLP.
    Nobody objects much except George & nutjob Bob.

  28. Milnes Is Comic Relief

    Milnes: do you think more or less people would have attended if I was in the debate?

    A slight possibility that one or two more people would have attended — but only to laugh at you.

  29. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    AND ON THE GOP / LIB / GOP LITE SIDE OF THE STREET:

    Sat Jun 18, 4:31 pm ET

    NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) – Representative Ron Paul easily won a Republican Leadership Conference straw poll of the party’s 2012 presidential contenders on Saturday, with former U.S. envoy to China Jon Huntsman finishing second.

    Paul, who brought busloads of supporters to the conference, won with 612 votes in the nonbinding preference poll of nearly 2,000 delegates from 38 states who attended the gathering.

    Huntsman finished second with 382 votes, Representative Michele Bachmann was third with 191 votes and businessman Herman Cain was fourth with 104 votes.

    Huntsman, a former Utah governor, is set announce his bid for the White House on Tuesday.

    No other candidate broke triple digits.

    Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who leads national opinion polls in the 2012 Republican race for the nomination to challenge President Barack Obama, was fifth with 74 votes.

  30. JT

    Will the NH debate be posted on YouTube? I don’t know if anyone recorded it or not, but that would be cool.

  31. Thomas Hill

    @JT – I spoke with Lee Wrights last night after the forum. He did say someone recorded it and it would be available on-line soon. I will comment back as soon as I find out when and where, unless someone beats me to it…

  32. George Phillies

    There were several people recording, including more-or-less all of both parallel sessions. I have no idea how it came out or when it will be posted.

  33. Dr. Tom Stevens

    I am confused. I thought the winner of the Straw Poll was going to get one committed delegate from NH and one from MA. How can NOTA and someone who did not even qualify to participate in the debate win the NH delegate spots? Also, can someone please post the exact numerical results of the Straw Poll. Thanks.

  34. Robert Milnes

    Dr. Tom Stevens, see @28. You are part of the problem. Is Carl Person your candidate. Are you trying for a rightist ticket-again after 2008? Maybe declre the LP the Tea Party?
    Why else would you be so concerned about this debate?
    George, you may know physics but as far as political science, you are a moron.

  35. Kleptocracy and You

    Dr. Stevens has already been nominated by the Objectivists Party as their ’12 POTUS Candidate. A SPLINTER group from the LP. Alden Link is again their VP nominee.

    Any ideas from the panels worth discussing ?

    I take it MA attendees thought Wrights won round 1. While NH broke the rules and gave a native son a gift!

    If NOTA carries the Party, hundreds of grassroot activists would rejoice. However I personally see no advantage in having NO voice to lead the Party into Nov.’12. The P campaign should be used to build the grassroots at this time. NOTA doesn’t help build the grassroot membership very nuch.

    IYO Phillies are all three of the candidates who participated sane ? If not, do you care to explain ?

    ~~~

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    – Thomas Jefferson

    It would take 500,000 men to do it, and even then it could not be done.
    – General Jacques Leclerc
    (Commander of French forces sent to reconquer Vietnam in 1946.
    Quoted by Barbara Tuchman in The March of Folly, p. 244.)

    If soldiers were to begin to think, not one of them would remain in the army.
    – Frederick the Great

    Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.
    – George Washington

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  36. George Phillies

    NH did not ‘break the rules’ The NH delegates had a different set of rules than did the convention attendees (all attendees voted on the MA delegate vote) or the debate admission.

    I have no idea when or if the debate will be on the internet. If you wanted to see it, you should have come to the convention.

  37. Steven Wilson

    I must say that Wrights/NOTA ticket would make for a media magnet. People would have to make sure the speaker of the house wasn’t a yard rake or something.

    I love New Hampshire.

  38. JT

    Phillies: “I have no idea when or if the debate will be on the internet. If you wanted to see it, you should have come to the convention.”

    I know you were the moderator, George, but that’s pretty unrealistic. Nothing wrong with people wanting to watch it online if that’s possible (like the national chair debates last year).

    Jeremy: “In 2012, Alden Link will be 82 years old. That’s kind of cool, I think.”

    Why?

  39. Thomas L. Knapp

    JT @ 47,

    Dr. Phillies has put a good deal of his own time, effort and money into promoting the LP and its activities over the years.

    I don’t think it’s “unrealistic” of him to expect that those who are intensely interested in the LP’s nomination process might actually attend events like this …

    or perhaps that if there’s really a market for video of it, someone might wisely have approached the event organizers with an offer of some sort (e.g. better position/seating for filming, perhaps a patch into the audio, etc.).

    If he and/or other organizers and funders weren’t offered a piece of the action on a feed of their own production, why the hell would he be inclined to act as an unpaid promoter of said production?

  40. Jill Pyeatt

    If someone has info from this event that you’d like to have posted here, please send it to George Phillies, and he can forward it to me to post. Or, send it directly to me @stone@altrionet.com.

  41. JT

    Knapp: “Dr. Phillies has put a good deal of his own time, effort and money into promoting the LP and its activities over the years.”

    I know that (though I don’t think his influence has been all good). I don’t see the relevance of that point to my comment though. I didn’t state or imply the contrary.

    Knapp: “I don’t think it’s “unrealistic” of him to expect that those who are intensely interested in the LP’s nomination process might actually attend events like this …”

    Some people had prior commitments or other valid reasons for not attending, but they’d still watch it online if it’s possible. Nobody is demanding that anyone make that happen (at least I’m not). I think it would probably be interesting, but I’m not “intensely” craving it.

    Knapp: “If he and/or other organizers and funders weren’t offered a piece of the action on a feed of their own production, why the hell would he be inclined to act as an unpaid promoter of said production?”

    What? I’m not saying he should be inclined to act as anything, Tom. I know someone put the national chair debates (at least some) online. I know someone put the national convention (at least some of it) online. So I thought it was possible that someone who recorded the debate was going to do the same with it in the near future, and I asked whether anyone knew that to be the case.

  42. George Phillies

    If you are assuming the debate will be up on the internet, which I hope is the case, you were making an assumption as to what volunteers you had not contacted in advance might or might not be doing. I hope the debate will be up soon, but I make no promises.

  43. JT

    Phillies: “If you are assuming the debate will be up on the internet, which I hope is the case, you were making an assumption as to what volunteers you had not contacted in advance might or might not be doing.”

    If I were assuming it, I wouldn’t have asked an open question to that effect.

    Marc, thank you.

  44. George Phillies

    I have heard favorable comments about the event. I was too busy making sure that things happened to hear many of the panels.

    The debate spent much time asking the three candidates about their campaign plans and less time asking about their stands on issues.

  45. Kleptocracy and You

    @55 Thanks! The “nuts and bolts” are very important questions.

    Wrights Campaign site will have some of it, if not all, as they are good with getting youtube material when he speaks at different events.

    @45 a man very much committed to gay pride and nuclear power !

    ~

    I know the current candidates don’t impress some, but as I’ve posted before “the more the merrier!!!” New LP POTUS candidates seem to be getting in each month. That means more voices spreading the message. With over 200 million people needing to be reached and an almost total major media BLACKOUT, the LP needs to use all these competent voices pre-convention to reach as many people through LOCAL media as possible. In our vacuum I feel we forget sometimes, the MAJORITY of U.S. citizens know little if anything about the LP and LP positions. We need to attempt one election cycle to get the message out completely just to see what happens and more candidates can help that effort.

    Before anyone balks at my statement, NO Bergland, Paul, Marrou, Browne twice, Badnarik or Barr did NOT get the message or even their names out to 100 to 200 million people before their election days. Some may not realize that these cable stations MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, HLN, etc seldom if ever have a million viewers for any one show. Fox News is only around 2 million for popular shows. Americans find other things to do with their time. BUT, over 100 million of them show up on election day to vote. You can’t reach all of them with fuzzy feelings without big ad bucks or big FREE positive coverage on the networks ! The Ds & Rs get both, while the Ls, Gs, Cs & Indies (unless you have a rich candidate willing to spend it) get little if any !

    The LP, GP, CP and any “big name”Indie campaigns need to coordinate poll watchers at the largest 1,000 (or more if possible) precinct polling places and oversee the count of third Party and Indie vote totals and phone them into a central location. To my knowledge this has never been done. We just accept what they tell us. If we start watching and checking, all our totals might start increasing !!!

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  46. Dr. Tom Stevens

    Mark Axinn, NYLP Chair, endorses Carl Person for the Libertarian Party’s Presidential Nomination:

    http://drtomstevens.blogspot.com/2011/06/mark-axinn-nylp-chair-endorses-carl.html

    NOTE: Independent Political Report has chosen not to publish Carl Person’s announcement for the LP Presidential Nomination. It has not published his adopted Platform. It does not list Liberty Lion as a Liberty Blog and has refused to list the Objectivist Party website. Yet, when other candidates take a crap, it somehow merits an article here. Go figure!

  47. Thomas L. Knapp

    Dr. Stevens,

    You claim to be, or at least imply that you are, an Objectivist.

    Perhaps you should stop thinking of Independent Political Report as some kind of collective organism and see it as it is: A blog where some assorted individuals post the things they find interesting.

    Once you’ve gotten that far, you might consider approaching one or more of those individuals to see if you can make Mr. Person, the Objectivist Party, etc. interesting to them.

  48. johncjackson

    I’m glad this site reported that he would be participating, but did not actually report on the event after it happened. I guess the event itself just wasn’t notable/postworthy. If only Milnes had attended.. then perhaps this would be more important than the latest WAR press release or local CP meeting.

  49. Robert Milnes

    I really wanted to attend this conference/debate.
    Unfortunately the hurdle of 5 years continuous party activity was a formidable barr. If someone didn’t want me to get the nomination, this would be an ingenious barrier. Reminds me of the Convict Persecution Resolution.
    Without that barr I might have made it there & pursuaded that I be allowed to participate.
    I need more support. The more the better, the sooner the better.
    This is coming down to the rightists v the rads-again.
    & further, the rads must not only win, but nominate a repugnantly impure fusion ticket. Like Gravel/Ruwart would have been.
    It doesn’t look good so far.

  50. George Phillies

    @60 Since the site does not have reporters, the event gets the available coverage from whichever volunteers chose to cover it. Mr Knapp was over a thousand miles away. We are in the process of posting the videos in which the sound could be heard. I gather that the LPNH may do the same.

    I was running much of the event, and got to hear only a few of the panels. Mary Ruwart’s morning talk was one of them. SHe made the interesting point that LP-US membership has been buoyed by the national executive director phone large numbers of expiring members, reaching back in time, and this process has run to a natural conclusion in terms of yield. The number of new members joining has been very small (though up in the past month or two), not enough to maintain party membership let alone have it grow toward the current objective.

  51. Robert Milnes

    George, why do you gloss over what @60 said.
    The Event went virtually uncovered & unposted subsequently. THAT is newsworthy. You had a possible opportunity to drum up interest-with me. Instead you gleefully advise me to not bother to show up.
    You should be as enthusiastic & ingenious against rightists before Root and/or Stevens turns YOUR party into the Tea Party.

  52. Robert Capozzi

    LL article: 12 voted for R. Lee Wrights, 7 voted for Carl Person and 3 voted for Roger V. Gary.

    me: Interesting. 22 voted. Is this indicative of the attendance? Did a LOT of people not vote? Or can we assume that perhaps 30 were there?

    LL: Mary Ruwart, a member of the Libertarian National Committee, reported to conference attendees that membership in the Libertarian Party has recently been flat or slightly up only because Wes Benedict, Executive Director of the Libertarian National Committee, has been personally calling former members asking them to renew.

    me: “Because” is confusing. Am I to assume that membership would be down if Benedict was not doing this? I assume this is not a swipe at Benedict, that his calling is somehow scaring prospects and renewals away. I suggest rephrasing this passage to make it clearer.

    LL: George Phillies personally told me “a highly reliable source” told him Mark Hinkle. LP Chair, “is aware of the (membership) decline and blames it on Wayne’s (Wayne Allyn Root) bizarre and very public political stances”.

    me: Interesting. If membership rolls are disappointing, I suppose one could expect the scapegoating to commence, which this looks like. If Hinkle is SURE of this (assuming this is accurate), then he probably as Chair should ask Root to step down for the good of the LP.

    I suspect it IS true that there are some who don’t wish to be in a party with someone like Root. I’d be shocked if this is a large number of folks. I’d think that a person who finds much of Root’s views offensive could overlook his role on the LNC, and be a LP member despite the fact that some Ls hold views they disagree with.

    Root doesn’t get THAT much media that he’s some kind of Pariah, a notorious, widely known nationwide.

    It COULD be that there might be a sense that the LP is in the process of becoming Root-ified, that there are a LOT of Root-types making anti-Palestinian, race-tinged statements; advocating ending the 1st Amendment by blocking the building of Cordoba House near the World Trade Center; cozying up to the Rs and playing conservative-wannabes; etc. That caricatured narrative starts to become a somewhat plausible explanation. I share that concern a bit, too, but I recognize caricature for what it is – a caricature.

    Still, other explanations are possible. Ineffective prospecting tactics might be one. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson’s campaigns could be another, sucking energy away from the LP. Poor economic conditions another. Extremist positioning another.

    Generally, I find scapegoating to be counter-productive, doesn’t everyone? Root is just one guy, someone whom I disagree with frequently. Blaming him for the LP’s non-growth and the apparent light turnout in NH may be convenient, but I severely doubt it’s true.

  53. Robert Capozzi

    more…

    Thought experiment: Root resigns tomorrow, announcing he’s becoming a Hare Krishna renunciant, shaves his head and moves to India.

    Would tens of thousands of Root-a-phobes flood into the LP? Millions? If only Root would leave, Lee Wrights would be elected in 2012?

    If not, what are we talking about here? 1000 alienated anarchists? I feel their pain, I really do. But, ADR, we need a bit more perspective on this matter…

  54. Thomas L. Knapp

    My guess is that Root’s effect on LP membership hasn’t been that big in either direction.

    Probably slightly negative, but mostly in an indirect and internal way, e.g. some party activists not doing the outreach work they’d otherwise be inclined to do because they don’t feel that the LP’s image is ready for prime time right now and blame Root for that.

    That blame is probably misplaced. Internal politics magnifies things. He’s “big” in the LP, but I’d be surprised if 1 in 10,000 Americans could pick him out of a lineup, let alone have a strong opinion about him, or extend their opinion of him to the LP itself.

    Maintaining and expanding any membership organization is largely a matter of hard work (see Montoni’s rant on that). To the extent that he depresses members’ inclination to do that work, Root probably bears some of the blame, but he’s just not well-known enough to have had much effect on the party’s image among people who might be inclined to consider it.

  55. Steven Wilson

    @rc68

    Root may not be the main cause, but he does get all of the Libertarian airtime. I can’t think, beyond Judge Nap, of anyone who gets the microphone as much as Root.

    The issue with leadership is clarity. Root spends time in multiple camps, therefore, the observer is stuck thinking about where he is loyal.

    Hinkle might be referring to the action of multiple camps. He might be using the platform as a fallback. If Root, as a member of the LNC, does not promote the platform in it’s purity, that might be offensive to Hinkle.

    Hinkle to me seems extremely weak. If Root was ever a problem, so is Hinkle.

  56. Robert Capozzi

    70 tk: …they don’t feel that the LP’s image is ready for prime time right now and blame Root for that. That blame is probably misplaced.

    me: Agreed. Of course, in my case, the prime-time-ready deficit has to do with my contention that some Ls seem unwilling to differentiate between long-term theory and sentiment from short-term application, e.g., practical politics.

    I have a hard time imagining how an activist who thinks the LP IS prime time except for the Root obstacle (in their minds) could allow Root to obstruct their desire to recruit while holding high the banner of their form of Lism. I’d call that a form of defeatism, a kind of victimology, near as I can tell. The narrative might be: “If we only didn’t have that Root on TV and radio now and then, we’d be completely unencumbered to recruit OUR sort of Ls, to convert people to the One True Way.

    71 sw: He might be using the platform as a fallback. If Root, as a member of the LNC, does not promote the platform in it’s purity, that might be offensive to Hinkle.

    me: Can’t speak to Hinkle’s thoughts, but I do get the sense that some believe the platform is an all-or-nothing proposition. Interestingly, I suspect that anarcho Ls also object to aspects of the platform. I certainly object to passages in the SoP, as did 3/4s of the convention.

    I guess the LP is saddled with it, then, until perhaps, it implodes with splinters like the BTP, Country Party, and whatever might happen in OR.

    So, it seems unrealistic to hold the LNC members as individuals to the standard you suggest. It seems obvious to me that a platform is not the product of a “pure” “logical” process, and so expecting “pure” adherence to it seems, well, silly. “Pure” conformance to an “impure” document seems quite obviously to be a non-starter.

  57. Thomas L. Knapp

    RC @ 72,

    “Of course, in my case, the prime-time-ready deficit has to do with my contention that some Ls seem unwilling to differentiate between long-term theory and sentiment from short-term application, e.g., practical politics.”

    I suppose that might be so. I’ve never seen it, but absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

  58. Robert Capozzi

    73 tk, off-hand, an example would be some Ls calling for a 50% cut in spending as a campaign position. Personally, I don’t find that a practical position, attractive as I find it.

  59. Dr. Tom Stevens

    Re: Comment 68

    Thanks. I have re-written the sentence as follows:

    Mary Ruwart, a member of the Libertarian National Committee, reported to conference attendees that membership in the Libertarian Party has recently been flat and only went up slightly during the past few months because Wes Benedict, Executive Director of the Libertarian National Committee, has been personally calling former members to ask them to renew.

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